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  • posted a message on The RESERVED Elephant in the room
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    While I can't say for certain it was Negator, I can say for certain it wasn't the Mox, Wizards closed the loophole before the public knew that Mox Diamon was going to be reprinted, so it couldn't have been the Mox people were upset with. The only known cards when the outrage started was the previewed Masticore and Negator. It wasn't about value, it was about availability of the card, limited releases added very few cards and people were fine, the unlimited release of Negator set a dangerous precedent that people were unhappey with.

    Fair enough, must have my timelines wrong, I was pretty new to magic around then.

    I wish we had more info on this hush hush deal, but most of what I can find is MaRo saying he isn't allowed to say anything about it and random speculation.
    There is no info on any deal(there may or may not have even been one), but there is Wizards' official announcement where they say they previewed the cards and the 'community' said it wasn't cool and so they changed the policy. Its very difficult to track down any specifics but I vaguely recall a lot of buzz about how them mass printing a RL card was bad.


    Basically, around (I think it was eight edition, but I am not 100% sure), WotC wanted to reprint Clone in the core set. Unfortunately Clone was on the reserved list, so they basically asked the community if they could remove it and a number of other cards from the reserved list. The vast majority of the community was totally fine with this, and a lot of cards, mostly uncommons (as Clone had last been printed as an uncommon) were removed. Basically. It was around the time of "You make the core set" promotion they had, were the community had input on the next core set (Each day we got to vote on two cards, the one with the more votes by the time the next poll came up got printed in the next core set, the other wasn't. It was mostly commons and uncommons though. Mostly.)
    That is all true, we were discussing a completely different event. When wizards closed the loophole on premium reprints,


    That was a combination of Phyrexia Vs. the Coalition (Phyrexian Negator), FTV:Relics (Karn, Silver Golem and Mox Diamond) and a single person throwing a hissy fit. Mind you, a person who admittedly had not played the game since Urza's Saga and didn't give a frigg' about the game.
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  • posted a message on Announcing Magic The Gathering: Arena
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    If the only thing you value is currency, yes you are right. If you value anything else, than, no.


    How is playing one videogame any different than playing another in the measurement of time? Not at all. You play whatever game you find entertaining, be it MTG:Arena, Civilization 6, Pools of Radiance, WoW, or any other game. But unlike most other games, Arena won't cost you money if you don't want to spend money. Everything will be available to be achieved in game without spending a cent. Now whether or not you will be entertained by the game, that is entirely up to you, but simply dismissing it and being negative about it for no apparent reason doesn't paint you in a fair light. If you are going to be negative about something, at least explain your reasoning other than "It's not MODO therefore it sucks" or "It's a copy of Hearthstone, therefore it is bad". We know nearly nothing about the game, and pretty much all they have told and shown us are good things.
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  • posted a message on The RESERVED Elephant in the room
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    It wasn't Mox Diamond. People didn't know Mox Diamond was going to be printed when the outrage hit Wizards. The outrage came from Phyrexian Negator and Masticore. My understanding from the time was that while people were happy with the random judge foil or other possible limited released cards, they were upset that a RL card(negator) was going to be in a 'print to demand' product(duel deck). I don't recall anything with lawyers actually happening but its possible.

    Really? I remember a lot of hubub around Mox Diamond. I know people weren't a fan of Negator getting reprinted but it wasn't a big money card so most people let it slide and were kinda ok with the loophole, Mox Diamond seemed like the card that really annoyed people and led to the loophole being closed as it was a much higher value card that was seeing play.
    While I can't say for certain it was Negator, I can say for certain it wasn't the Mox, Wizards closed the loophole before the public knew that Mox Diamon was going to be reprinted, so it couldn't have been the Mox people were upset with. The only known cards when the outrage started was the previewed Masticore and Negator. It wasn't about value, it was about availability of the card, limited releases added very few cards and people were fine, the unlimited release of Negator set a dangerous precedent that people were unhappey with.

    Fair enough, must have my timelines wrong, I was pretty new to magic around then.

    I wish we had more info on this hush hush deal, but most of what I can find is MaRo saying he isn't allowed to say anything about it and random speculation.
    There is no info on any deal(there may or may not have even been one), but there is Wizards' official announcement where they say they previewed the cards and the 'community' said it wasn't cool and so they changed the policy. Its very difficult to track down any specifics but I vaguely recall a lot of buzz about how them mass printing a RL card was bad.


    Basically, around (I think it was eight edition, but I am not 100% sure), WotC wanted to reprint Clone in the core set. Unfortunately Clone was on the reserved list, so they basically asked the community if they could remove it and a number of other cards from the reserved list. The vast majority of the community was totally fine with this, and a lot of cards, mostly uncommons (as Clone had last been printed as an uncommon) were removed. Basically. It was around the time of "You make the core set" promotion they had, were the community had input on the next core set (Each day we got to vote on two cards, the one with the more votes by the time the next poll came up got printed in the next core set, the other wasn't. It was mostly commons and uncommons though. Mostly.)
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  • posted a message on Grandeur could return in Dominaria
    Grandeur is unlikely to return because WotC (and MaRo) does not want to use a mechanic that will make a large number of players (specifically the Commander community) unhappy.
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  • posted a message on Announcing Magic The Gathering: Arena
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    If there is ever a single digital MTG client, it will be because they phase out MTGO, not because they stop making Duels/Arena. Duels has been too successful of a new player acquisition tool for them.


    Right. Duels should have been the new frontend in the first place. It's been so weird seeing them rebuild the wheel all from scratch over and over again over the decades.

    Considering that Arena is going to be free, I don't understand your complaint, at all.


    Nothing is free.

    From the player's perspective, it's going to end up discontinued like Magic Duels. Some are fine with that kind of transience in their investment, some aren't.

    From a developer's perspective, it's like watching a carpenter hammer nails into his hand all day.

    There's a minor moral imperative to pause briefly and suggest "You uh, probably shouldn't do it like that" before passing on by.


    If you don't have to spend money on getting it, or in any part of it, then yes, it is by definition free.
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  • posted a message on Hascon IMA (And Ixalan) Spoilers Thread!
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    Rishadan Port. Wow, that brings back memories. That card would be rather broken in modern right now. Actually, it would be one of the most annoying weapons against tri-color decks because locking them out of even one of their splash colors can be pretty nasty.


    You do know you can activate the fetch land in response, right?
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  • posted a message on Announcing Magic The Gathering: Arena
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    I really hope that there will be the chance of getting all the cards in a reasonable amount of time/play-time like in duels and that they won't just port the "want cards? destroy your old ones or pay us money hoping to get what you need" system from heartstone.
    I enjoyed collecting cards in Duels because every pack meant that I was getting card I didn't have and not just getting tons of junk to destroy in order to create an actually useful card like Heartstone does.
    There needs to be some overlap here. While it's harder to complete a collection in Hearthstone, it was harder to get individual cards for deck building in Duels (a problem that got infinitely worse for new players the longer the game was around). There are ways to cut down on duplicates in packs -- Hearthstone recently changed packs to prevent duplicate legendaries, and similar happened with all items in Overwatch loot boxes -- so it's not a problem strictly inherent to the overall system.

    At the end of the day, getting some duplicates is a necessary evil that makes it easier for players to build the decks they want to build. As long as Arena can implement some amount of duplicate protection, make breakdown/crafting rates not absurd, and allow players to keep cards they pull in Draft or Sealed, the HS method is ultimately better for everybody than the packs-only-no-duplicates method from Duels.


    Speaking of this, one thing they need to implement in Arena is properly sized booster packs, this six cards to a pack crap needs to stop. Give me a proper booster with fifteen cards. I don't friggin' care if I only get one rare and three uncommon, just give me a properly sized booster.

    And for sets that have smaller boosters (if they decide to eventually make old sets available in Arena), make them the size that the real boosters were/are.

    Just this small change would be a major step up from Duels.
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  • posted a message on Hascon IMA (And Ixalan) Spoilers Thread!
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    If Force of Will, Tarmogoyf, Dark Confidant, Cavern of Souls, Snapcaster Mage, and Argothian Enchantress are all mythic then so will Rishadan Port. Not because it's powerful, but because it has a big price tag.


    Doubt it. Unlike Rishadan Port, the other cards you listed are actually really, really, good.



    Actually, Rishadan Port is at least on par with all of them.


    Nah, it lost a lot of power with the sixth edition change, and more when mana burn got removed. You're basically mana depleting yourself to reduce your opponents mana by one for a turn, and that is if they don't chose to cast an instant in response. It's an over valued card that isn't all that good.


    You don't actually play this game, do you?

    I do, but unless your opponent is playing a land that taps for more than one mana, you are using two mana to deprive them of one.
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  • posted a message on More creatures may yet become Dinosaurs - come Rivals of Ixalan
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    Despite what Kelly said I think ashen firebeast will still have a chance

    Because there's probably people their who probably will disagree with his "too weird" thing.


    I certainly disagree with it. It's a friggin raptor, that is on fire. It's no more weird than a sauropod composed of burning rock, or a dinosaur in a symbiotic relationship with a fungus.


    That's what Kelly thinks about ashen firebeast

    I think ashen firebeast deserves dinosaur type easily. It has a theorpod body easily.


    Indeed. His reluctance makes me believe they have a set in the pipeline where it is reprinted. It'd be a little weird if the change it to Elemental Dinosaur and then release a set wherein it is a Elemental Beast.


    I know is there something wrong with calling it "elemental dinosaur beast?"


    I don't believe there is.
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  • posted a message on Hascon IMA (And Ixalan) Spoilers Thread!
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    Ah okay, I was looking at some spoiler sites and they had only posted images of some of the cards that got opened. I didn't notice that there was an entire list already published as well. Rolleyes

    Great, now I feel like I just got caught with my hand in the cookie jar. Laughing


    Even better, they'll be posting a visual spoiler early next week. MaRo said that he believes it is released Monday, but that he wasn't 100% sure. It may come as late as Wednesday, but it will be released next week.
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  • posted a message on Announcing Magic The Gathering: Arena
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    WotC could put a hundred dollar bill in each booster and people would complain


    Incorrect. A hundred dollars can be used for something and might still exist three years from now.

    There should only be one official Magic The Gathering client. It could have a small stream of free product. It could have a single player Shandalar style campaign. There's no reason to fragment their product and player base like this. None.

    All this because some guy in a suit saw the $ Blizzard was making with Hearthstone. Should've been a new game designed for the digital space. Should've been an investment into developing Wizards Digital's reputation and brand.


    Considering that Arena is going to be free, I don't understand your complaint, at all.
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  • posted a message on More creatures may yet become Dinosaurs - come Rivals of Ixalan
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    Despite what Kelly said I think ashen firebeast will still have a chance

    Because there's probably people their who probably will disagree with his "too weird" thing.


    I certainly disagree with it. It's a friggin raptor, that is on fire. It's no more weird than a sauropod composed of burning rock, or a dinosaur in a symbiotic relationship with a fungus.


    That's what Kelly thinks about ashen firebeast

    I think ashen firebeast deserves dinosaur type easily. It has a theorpod body easily.


    Indeed. His reluctance makes me believe they have a set in the pipeline where it is reprinted. It'd be a little weird if the change it to Elemental Dinosaur and then release a set wherein it is a Elemental Beast.
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  • posted a message on More creatures may yet become Dinosaurs - come Rivals of Ixalan
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    Despite what Kelly said I think ashen firebeast will still have a chance

    Because there's probably people their who probably will disagree with his "too weird" thing.


    I certainly disagree with it. It's a friggin raptor, that is on fire. It's no more weird than a sauropod composed of burning rock, or a dinosaur in a symbiotic relationship with a fungus.
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  • posted a message on Hascon IMA (And Ixalan) Spoilers Thread!
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    Nah, Rishadan will get reprinted as an uncommon. It's good, but not that good.

    If Force of Will, Tarmogoyf, Dark Confidant, Cavern of Souls, Snapcaster Mage, and Argothian Enchantress are all mythic then so will Rishadan Port. Not because it's powerful, but because it has a big price tag.


    Doubt it. Unlike Rishadan Port, the other cards you listed are actually really, really, good.



    Actually, Rishadan Port is at least on par with all of them.


    Nah, it lost a lot of power with the sixth edition change, and more when mana burn got removed. You're basically mana depleting yourself to reduce your opponents mana by one for a turn, and that is if they don't chose to cast an instant in response. It's an over valued card that isn't all that good.
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  • posted a message on Announcing Magic The Gathering: Arena
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    I was super impressed by Arena. If I can play real Standard and Draft (for free!), I'll be very, very pleased. I really hope physical packs will come with digital redemption codes like Pokemon CCG offers. That's my one big request not addressed by the demo.


    From what I could gather from the stream's Q&A, that appears to be the intent in the future.

    They hinted at it, but left it pretty vague. The potential excites me so much.

    On another note, I wish other people were as hyped as I am for this game. I see little discussion and quite a few complaints.


    There are always people who complain, WotC could put a hundred dollar bill in each booster and people would complain it was two-hundred. >.<

    But let me tell you how excited I am for Arena. Not only did I sign up for the Beta, I actually logged into Duels, which I haven't played since SOI, dug out my Duels ID number, and connected my Duals account to my WotC account, just to increase the chance of getting into the Beta. That's how friggin' excited I am. Smile

    Speaking of which, they showed us the Ixalan board, and it seem pretty obvious by now that they intend to have different boards represent different planes. Personally I'd like it if you could select a "default" board to use when you duel, so if you have a favorite, that's the default for you. I would also like it if they released "plane packs" when the game is released that include older planes or planes we are not likely to visit, such as a "Rabiah" board, or an "Old Phyrexia" board, or even, gasp, an "Ulgrotha" board. It would be friggin' sweet.
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