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    posted a message on State of Frontier: Bans, format health, and more!
    Quote from ElAzar »
    Exactly, why not thread it like any other format?
    Some people call it an eternal format, and in those, Commander, conspiricy and even "special set cards" like portal are legal.

    If i am wrong, people should stop calling it an eternal format.


    Because like Modern it is not an eternal format where you can use every card regardless of when it was last printed, it is a non rotating format with a set start point. For both you should treat them the same way in that the only cards that are legal are those that have been printed in a mainline set since what ever starting point you have chosen.

    And again if WOTC were to get a hold of it they are going to treat like its closest analogues which are Modern and Standard which don't allow FTV/Commander/Planechase cards unless they have been printed in a relevant mainline set, unlike Commander which was designed to be played using the Legacy/Vintage card set from the start.
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    posted a message on America, The Polarized Society
    Quote from Mad Mat »
    Quote from DJK3654 »
    To be honest, Mad Mat, I feel like Highroller is at least mostly right when it comes to what you have actually said here. But I feel like you aren't doing a particularly good job of explaining yourself.

    So, you think racism is the same thing as genocide?


    No it isn't.

    But as he has quoted you weren't sure which side had the superior claim, the one that was advocating measures that included at an extreme genocide die to peoples racist or the side that was standing up against those measures.
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    posted a message on Food Taboos
    Quote from Ljoss »
    Would you say that this is a more important question than it was in the past? My eyes get all askew as soon as I see a chart or graph, but my present understanding is that the world food supply has increased considerably as of late. This does seem to touch on two issues - one, how to supply the food

    Which bit of supply are you refering to here? Growing the food or getting it to the places that it is needed? If you are just refering to growing the food you are probably correct we are producing massive quantities of food in various places in the world. But not all of it is getting into the supply chain and that which is gettting in is certainly not getting in to the chain is not doing so in the most effective or efficient manner.

    Just looking at it from a UK perspective the average UK family throws out ~£700 of food a year that could be better used anywhere else. Even before we get to the final consumer the big supermarkets over here have very stringent standards on how the produce looks, which especially in the case of vegetables results in vast quantities of produce being left to rot as it does not meet their standards.

    and two, how to do it in a more sustainable way (I'm assuming that by sustainable we mean environmentally friendly?) It doesn't seem like the former is much of a problem at all.


    Again looking at it from a UK perspective we have got very used to having cheap food available to us year round regardless of the season. At home this has resulted in smaller farmers that are more evironmentally sustainable being pushed to and in some cases beyond the limit. As they can't dictate a fair price for their product from the larger supermarkets and in a lot more damaging way we are importing food from places like Israel and the south of spain just because there is a longer growing season in those countrys so we can get lettuce/Strawberrys all year round. We really need to get a better connection back between us and our food source and accept that it is not sustainable to be importing food from all corners of the world.
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    posted a message on State of Frontier: Bans, format health, and more!
    Quote from Themonkeyimp »
    What about commander, from the vault, Masters, conspiracy or Dual deck reprints?
    Why wouldn't you treat it like any other format?

    FTV, Commander sets and the rest don't count for any other format with a limited card pool so why should you allow them in this one? Even if you were to decide to use them in the new format it is very likely that it would be one of the first things that WOTC would change to bring it into line with all of the other formats that they support.


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    posted a message on Combo or bombo? Reanimation Specialist
    All targets for spells and abilities are declared before costs are paid, at that point the Animate dead is still on the battlefield attached to the REstoration speicalist so won't be a valid target for the specialists ability.
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    posted a message on Summoning sliver token, ability or spell?
    It is an activated ability so if your opponent wants to deal with it they need to use something that specifically deals with them like Stifle. They can't use a normal counterspell.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
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    posted a message on commander and flip cards
    You are correct, for the purposes of colour idenity you have to consider both faces of a DFC. Archangel Avacyn/Avacyn, the Purifier is a red/white card so can only be included in a deck whose general contains both of those colours.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Quote from Ljoss »


    Yeah, I'm not producing a thorough bibliography filled with statements half of which I either didn't make or have been asked/answered over and over again. You want to ask me a single question, go ahead.



    You made all the claims you were asked about in 1 post. You were asked to clarify what you meant in that post with examples straight afterwards. I have then reiterated that request twice.

    If you have forgotten it here is the post in question

    Quote from Ljoss »
    Quote from Xeruh »
    Quote from Ljoss »
    Quote from Xeruh »
    I mean, I knew it was going to be bad, but I didn't think it'd be as bad as it's been. It hasn't even been a week and it's spiraling so badly out of control. It really makes me wonder how exactly the next four years are going to have any silver lining when it comes to the government short of open revolt.


    How is this bad? It's pretty awesome so far. He's doing basically the same things that almost every other POTUS candidate would have done but in funnier ways. For example, exposing steaming pile of garbage Buzzfeed and their fake news pals. One thing that impressed me so far is how much work the guy is putting in. He's on an absolute tear right now. I get the sense that we're supposed to be super pissed at the idea that American taxpayers aren't funding abortions overseas anymore but honestly that doesn't bother me.


    I mean, if the only thing you feel you can do is fiddle that's all fine and dandy, but other people are going to be more concerned with putting out the fires he's setting. Granted there is only so much that can be done, but it makes me glad I live in California given that the state seems ready to fight him tooth and nail. Half-hearted resistance isn't really going to work here.


    I'm not fiddling. I'm asking reasonable questions like "what has he done?" and getting Hitler comps as answers.

    Obama bombs Yemen, wins Nobel Peace Prize. Trump places temporary ban on Yemeni immigration and he's Hitler. You see how this is difficult to take seriously? Meanwhile, the hijab is a symbol of female liberation and Western Christianity is repressive, Mexico is telling the U.S. that it can't do anything about its porous southern border all the while Mexico itself sure as heck is concerned about its southern border, NATO is whining about the U.S. being a poor ally when practically everyone besides the U.S., U.K. and Poland haven't fulfilled their treaty obligations in decades, Bern fans are complaining about Trump being an isolationist just because he's treating trade exactly like Bernie promised to and leftists are outraged at the phrase "alternative facts" after they've been warping the minds of our children with their moral and cultural relativism for years.

    Maybe I need to start fiddling.


    Here is Osi's response to it.


    Quote from osieorb18 »


    You are the only person to bring up Hitler/the Nazis in the past three pages of the thread (posts from this year).

    Can you provide recent citations or sound reasoning for this list of statements and implications in your post?

    • Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize because of bombing Yemen.
    • Trump is compared to Hitler because of the temporary ban on Yemeni immigration.
    • People are saying en masse that the hijab is a symbol of female liberation.
    • People are saying en masse that Western Christianity is repressive.
    • Mexico has communicated that it can't do anything about the US/Mexico border.
    • Mexico has shown particular recent concern for its southern border.
    • Practically everyone in NATO hasn't fulfilled their treaty obligations in decades.
    • Bern fans are complaining about Trump being an isolationist.
    • Trump is treating trade exactly like Bernie promised to do.
    • Leftists have been warping the minds of our children with their moral and cultural relativism for years.


    Either answer the damn questions that Osi asked or come up with an arguement that shows that Osi is misrepresnting your position.
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    posted a message on Muslim Ban and SEE YOU IN COURT
    Quote from Xul »

    The only thing that I think that he should have done is that he should have banned more than seven countries. He should have banned all muslim countries just to be sure or, as you've all mentioned above, temporarily freeze immigration to US for the citizens of muslim countries. The safety of his own people should come first.


    And still wouldn't have made the US safer from terrorists. With the exception of 9/11 all terrorist attacks committed on US soil have been commited by homegrown lunatics...

    The only thing his Muslim ban did was act as a rallying cry for any nutter that wanted to peddle a clash of civilisations narrative, both Muslim and non Muslim alike. On the Muslim side it will act to increase recruitment in both the hellholes we have created with our foreign policies and the lone wolf self radicallised idividuals that are already in the US and Europe who won't be picked up by the travel ban as they are already here legally.


    This all ignores the fact that to be considered a Refugee and granted leave to enter the US you will already have to have gone through some of the strictest vetting that exists for the purpose anywhere in the world.
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    posted a message on Dawnfeather eagle and vehicle
    Yes you may. The ability on dawnfeather eagle is a bog standard triggered ability that uses the stack.

    Once it has fired you can activate the ability on smuggler's copter or any other vehicle or manland to animate them. When the ability of dawnfeather eagle then comes to resolve it will see the copter is a creature so grant it vigilance and +1/+1
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    posted a message on Muslim Ban and SEE YOU IN COURT
    Quote from Smells_Better »
    The presidents job is to protect the rights and well being of the AMERICAN people and if suspending an aliens entry is key to doing so, then he has every right to. As far as being unconstitutional, the Supreme Court will decide that. Unfortunately there are laws stating that he can and laws stating that he can't.


    Unfortunately his ban didn't just effect muslims travelling direct from those countries though. The way it was worded left it very unclear as to who should be effected so there were lots of stories of about the front line officers unsure if it applied to people who had visas , green cards and other permits that should have allowed them
    entry, likewise people like Mo Farah were unsure if they could get into the country or not.

    For one person it didn't matter that they hadn't been born in one of the countries just that he had travelled to one in the course of his job.
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    posted a message on Can Unlicensed Disintegration hit Planeswalkers?
    Quote from Tim_T »
    A planeswalker is considered a player i.e. Lightning Bolt does damage to a creature or a PLAYER


    This is incorrect.

    A Planeswalker is not and has never been considered a player. The only similarity between the two is that you can declare attacks against both of them. The reason why you can damage a planeswalker with both lightning bolts and unlicensed disintegration is that there is a rule that allows you to redirect noncombat damage being dealt to an opponent to a planeswalker that they control.

    You do not target the planeswalker directly, so if the player has Shroud or hexproof their planeswalkers are safee from targetted damage spells like Lightning bolt.
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    posted a message on Baral & Baral's Expertise
    Quote from Elkiaker »
    Your almost there. Now reread barals expertise rulings. You can cast collective defiance perfectly fine with baral in play. But once you introduce barals expertise, barals ability to reduce the casting cost does nothing to collective defiance, since you all read those three rules. Go a head and look up baral chief now and see his rulings as well.


    No need. You have continously demonstrated you have no idea how the rules are to be applied and have not displayed any desire to learn how the game actually works despite lots of more knowledgeable people pointing you directly to the comprehensive rules that trump the rulings you believe support your case.



    Basically when you cast collective defiance with barals expertise while baral is in play, baral cant reduce the casting cost to use for escalate because when you cast collective defiance without paying its mana cost, you choose all 3 modes then the spell is cast and you pay the 2 mana for its escalate cost since it was escalated twice. Baral reduces casting costs, nothing else, not escalate costs that are paid for after the spell was already cast.



    You are conflating casting cost for mana cost, which are 2 completely different things. A spells mana cost is the symbols in the top right hand corner for a spell with the regular card template so does not include additional costs like escalate. A spells casting cost on the other hand is everything you need to spend in order to cast the spell.

    This can only be worked out by following the procedure below:

    Take the spells mana cost or alternate cost if appriopriate: 1RR or 0 in this case
    Add anything that increase the cost like escalate: 2
    Apply anything that reduces the cost like Baral, Chief of Compliance - 1
    Apply anything that sets the cost currently only Trinisphere.


    Only once you have done this can you know what the full cost of the spell is and do you pay for it. In this case if Collective Defiance is escalated once the final cost would be 0, if Escalated twice the final result would be as shown above 1.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Quote from Ljoss »
    Quote from Hackworth »
    Yo, are Trump's people ever gonna stop making ***** up or is this just a Republican thing now? [link]


    It'd be cool to see CNN report on the Russian-Korean war.


    Here you go.

    Specifically

    She also incorrectly said that Trump "is wrapping his arms around Putin, while Putin is continuing to advance into Korea" -- apparently meaning to reference the Crimea.



    Looks like CNN have covered it.

    Now you are here ther are a load of questions directed towards you. Answer them please.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    In addition to spinning a Massacre out of thin air it appears that Trump is claiming that certain attacks weren't given the media attention they deserved. The Guardian have the list here along with how they were actually reported.

    On reading the list I was struck by something I am saying a lot up in Rulings, when asking about something specific spelling counts. Its not so bad when it means I need to do a little extra work to get card text, but when you are a government agent of one form or another the ability to spell 'Attacker' and Denmark correctly does help. Or if you can't, learn how to use that do you mean sugestion Google gives you...
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    posted a message on Need help figuring out a ruling.
    Quote from Navyat87 »
    Your opponent could get a token by placing the wolf token on the field under their control. Hunt doesn't specify who gets control of the token. It's implied that it's you but it doesn't have the specific text "under your control" on it so in theory you could create the token under their control and they would have to sacrifice it at the beginning of their upkeep


    This is incorrect, and nothing is ever implied in MTG. The only time you can create a token under an opponents control is if the ability specifically says you do so like on hunted dragon, otherwise any tokens you create will always be under your control.

    Your opponent will not get a wolf token in this situation.
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    posted a message on Need help figuring out a ruling.
    First off please use card tags in this forum as it gives us the updated wording of the cards you are asking about. Instructions on how to use them can be found here

    To answer your question, if there are multiple abilites that will fire off the same event, in this case you entering your upkeep, the person whose turn it is (Active player) will put all abilites that they control on the stack first followed by their opponents (Non Active Player).

    In this case this you will put the ability from Master of the wild hunt on the stack first followed by Call to the grave. This will mean that the wolf created by the master of the wild hunt won't be around to be sacrificed to call to the grave.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    MTGTCG

    Would you care to answer the question I posed below?

    Quote from Kahedron »
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    @Kahedron, make a contract with water supplier, or get a well built.


    And this bit of advice helps a third party break into the water distribution business how?
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    posted a message on How President Trump's Trade Agenda Could Effect the Entertainment Industry
    Net Neutrality prevents Internet Service Providers from blocking websites from consumers.


    If that is the case then please explain how DMCA takedown notices are legal and enforceable.

    And also please explain how this is in any way shape or form related to Cybersecurity which should be far more interested in protecting things like the Power network, DOJ, DOD, other governmental networks and the banking system.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    @Kahedron, make a contract with water supplier, or get a well built.


    And this bit of advice helps a third party break into the water distribution business how?
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    @Stairc A monopoly is a single supplier of a good or service. Yes, this means McDonalds is a monopoly because it is the sole provider of BigMacs in the market. We are talking about tbe kind of monopolies on more broad goods that people think are harmful.


    Here you have defined market far to narrowly. You are adding are to many conditions to say if some one has a monopoly and then saying that there monopoly is irrelevant because someone can get a similar product else where in your flawed case the King Whopper.


    A far fairer market to define would be counter service Fast food outlets which covers both Macdonalds, Burger King, KFC and others. Whilst it is difficult though not impossible to get a monopoly in those markets, you need help from elsewhere, that does not mean that it is as difficult to get a monopoly in other areas.


    To use and example that you have attempted to reject before. Water Supply Specifically on the Mains.

    There are a lot of problems with a third party breaking into the Mains Water supply business. Not least

    1. Having a regular supply of drinking water
    2. Setting up a pumping plant to extract it from the landscape
    3. Purification plants to make sure it is safe
    4. Cost effective means of distribution to your customers

    None of the above are cheap to do. The bulk of your costs are incurred long before you can actually deliver a product to some one you can charge for. So if anything goes wrong in any of them you are going to be majorly out of pocket, and with the potential to have a lot of pissed off investors if you had to go ask other people for help getting the funds for the above.

    Even if you are successful in getting the above built and are either self funding or have found investors that are patient enough to wait a very long time on their investment, your new operation is ridiculously easy to obstruct at each stage in the process. If nothing else by use of force.

    And before you go bleating on that I have forgotten about the REAs that will be swarming to protect you. I haven't forgotten about them, I have hired them, the best of them are working for me. And I am making sure that they are better trained and equiped tham the remainder that would be willing to work for the amount that you could afford to pay them. Good luck finding qualified people willing to work for you.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    Then competitors enter the market.



    Then the one with the monopoly drops the price until the new upstart goes bankrupt and leaves again.

    Then the price goes back up again.

    Companies come back in.

    The entrenched company drops the price again.

    The upstart goes bankrupt and leaves the market.

    The company with the monopoly inceases the price again.

    Are you perhaps noticing a pattern developing here?
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from MTGTCG »

    2. Who wants to subscribe to a rights enforcement agency that supports bad people? The answer is bad people. There are more good people than bad people, so good REAs beat bad REAs. It's not that hard...


    Bad people usually have more money than good people so are more likely to be able to afford the enforcers and be able equip them properly. The REAs beloning to good people then get shot or run out of town

    Its really no that hard to work out.....

    Especially as the hypothetical I am laying out isn't a hypothetical but the historical record.
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    posted a message on What happens if mana type is changed during the casting of a spell?
    You are correct, once you have started casting a spell or activating an ability neither player can carry out any actions that are not directly called for by the casting of that spell/activating that ability.

    By the time your opponent had the chance to activate the ability you had already cast and paid for the spell. Changing the color of mana that the land could have cast at that point will not make that game go back and make the casting of the previous spell and illegal action.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Ljoss you have been active on the site since this post was made.

    Would you care to provide back up for your points as stated below. Or are we to come to the conclusion that like a lot of your recent posting you can't as its connection to reality is tenuous at best.



    Quote from osieorb18 »


    Can you provide recent citations or sound reasoning for this list of statements and implications in your post?

    • Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize because of bombing Yemen.
    • Trump is compared to Hitler because of the temporary ban on Yemeni immigration.
    • People are saying en masse that the hijab is a symbol of female liberation.
    • People are saying en masse that Western Christianity is repressive.
    • Mexico has communicated that it can't do anything about the US/Mexico border.
    • Mexico has shown particular recent concern for its southern border.
    • Practically everyone in NATO hasn't fulfilled their treaty obligations in decades.
    • Bern fans are complaining about Trump being an isolationist.
    • Trump is treating trade exactly like Bernie promised to do.
    • Leftists have been warping the minds of our children with their moral and cultural relativism for years.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    Quote from Jay13x »
    This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what a monopoly is and does. What's to stop the monopoly from dropping their prices low enough kill the competition, then raising them back up again. This is what happens in real life.


    Whenever it raises prices back up again people will buy from a source not as expensive.


    And how are they planning on transporting the water to the town. If you are going to suggest trucking it in again I have 1 word for you. Landmines....
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    posted a message on Greece votes to reject bailout with austerity terms
    And it is that time of year again with the situation in Greece becoming untenable.

    Quote from Greece has three weeks to deal with "potentially disastrous" debt, says IMF »

    Greece’s embattled government has three weeks to break the deadlock in increasingly difficult talks with creditors or risk the country’s debt crisis resurfacing with renewed vigour.

    Faced with the dilemma of agreeing to additional austerity or calling fresh elections, prime minister Alexis Tsipras was weighing his options at the weekend. Fears of further uncertainty in Europe’s weakest member state mounted as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) predicted that Greece’s debt load could become “explosive” by 2030.

    “It is critical that a compromise is found,” said Aristides Hatzis, professor of law and economics at the university of Athens, noting that a slew of elections across Europe would only make Greece’s predicament worse.

    “If these negotiations are not wrapped up by 20 February [when eurozone finance ministers next meet] we could be looking at potentially disastrous political turmoil, which would bring back the scenario of Grexit with a vengeance.”

    Central to the impasse is the enduring argument among lenders over Athens’ ability to achieve fiscal targets once its latest bailout programme expires in 2018. Without legislation of further pension cuts and tax increases, the IMF does not believe it can attain a primary budget surplus of 3.5%. At a meeting of eurozone finance ministers on Thursday, Athens found itself out in the cold with even the normally supportive European commission failing to rally to its defence.


    More at link
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    posted a message on Equip and improvise
    Quote from Jaydaz »
    Can you use equipped equipment towards casting improvise?

    Improvise only cares that you are tapping an artifact to pay the cost, it can be a 'normal' artifact like howling mine or a piece of equipment like skullclamp


    And if I have an equipment on a creature, do I have to pay the equip cost twice, to transfer the equipment to a new creature?
    Do I have to pay to unequip?

    Covering the pair of these together. Once you equip a creature with something the equipment stays attached to the creature until the creature/equipment leaves the battlefield, gains an appropriate form of protection or youa activate the equip ability targetting another creature. You can't pay a cost to unequip it from the creature and you only hace to pay the cost of the abilty once to move it to a new creature

    If I have a stitcher's graft can I just pay 2 to equip it to an enemies creature, and then just pay another 2 to equip it to another creature, killing th3 previous creature?
    No, when you activate the equip ability you can only target creatures you control, not those belonging to a teammate or an opponent.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Quote from Kahedron »
    Quote from Hackworth »
    Also, Trump's refusal to drop his financial ties means that the previously canceled pipelines he's used an executive order to keep building might be directly profitable for him. [link]
    There is nothing in the linked article which establishes or implies the conflict of interest you're claiming here.


    You sure about that?


    Shares of ETP, the company building the 450,000 barrel-a-day Dakota pipeline, ended the day up 3.5 percent in U.S. trading.

    Trump owned ETP stock through at least mid-2016, according to financial disclosure forms, and ETP's chief executive, Kelcy Warren, donated $100,000 to his campaign.


    That states that he had a very recent and potentially continuing interest in one of the companies that has directly benefited from the pipeline being approved. And that the chairman of that company donated a significant sum of money to Trumps Presidential campaign. Whilst Reuters are hedging their bets and not directly saying that Trump still has an interest in ETP, probably because they don't have absolute proof. The fact that so soon into his presidency he could be seen to be blatantly rewarding one of his supporters is worrying especially if the White house is going to be applying pressure to the relevant departments to expedite the approval process with out giving enough time for discovery.


    Dug a little deeper:

    Apparently Trump sold those shares.


    So that has just removed one potential conflict of interest in the matter. That large political donation is still worrying considering that one of Trumps first actions made the ETP Chief Executive significantly richer.

    Whilst there is no proof at the moment and it is unlikely that any would surface,neither are idiots after all, it is smelling a lot like the cash for questions scandal we had over here.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Quote from Hackworth »
    Also, Trump's refusal to drop his financial ties means that the previously canceled pipelines he's used an executive order to keep building might be directly profitable for him. [link]
    There is nothing in the linked article which establishes or implies the conflict of interest you're claiming here.


    You sure about that?


    Shares of ETP, the company building the 450,000 barrel-a-day Dakota pipeline, ended the day up 3.5 percent in U.S. trading.

    Trump owned ETP stock through at least mid-2016, according to financial disclosure forms, and ETP's chief executive, Kelcy Warren, donated $100,000 to his campaign.


    That states that he had a very recent and potentially continuing interest in one of the companies that has directly benefited from the pipeline being approved. And that the chairman of that company donated a significant sum of money to Trumps Presidential campaign. Whilst Reuters are hedging their bets and not directly saying that Trump still has an interest in ETP, probably because they don't have absolute proof. The fact that so soon into his presidency he could be seen to be blatantly rewarding one of his supporters is worrying especially if the White house is going to be applying pressure to the relevant departments to expedite the approval process with out giving enough time for discovery.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    So much for the Vaunted American Freedom of the Press.

    Quote from Four more journalists get felony charges after covering inauguration unrest »
    Four more journalists have been charged with felonies after being arrested while covering the unrest around Donald Trump’s inauguration, meaning that at least six media workers are facing up to 10 years in prison and a $25,000 fine if convicted.

    A documentary producer, a photojournalist, a live-streamer and a freelance reporter were each charged with the most serious level of offense under Washington DC’s law against rioting, after being caught up in the police action against demonstrators.

    The Guardian learned of their arrests after reporting on Monday that the journalists Evan Engel of Vocativ and Alex Rubinstein of RT America had also been arrested and charged with felonies while covering the same unrest on Friday morning.

    All six were arraigned in superior court on Saturday and released to await further hearings in February and March, according to court filings. The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) said late on Tuesday that charges against journalists who were covering the protests should be dropped.


    More at link
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    posted a message on Altered Ego
    Altered Ego becomes an exact copy of the printed card you choose with the addition of the +1/+1 counters.

    This includes amoungst other things the name, mana cost, types and subtypes. So yes if you copy a servo token or Metallic mimic it will be an artifact creature.
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    posted a message on Royal Navy Interview gone wrong
    Quote from Duke Daemon »
    Dear Anyone Listening

    I'm 25 years old, I will be 26 come December, I recently had my 3rd Sift Interview for the Royal Navy. Obviously it didn't go to plan or in any way I would have hoped.


    Daemon, The first thing to say is this is just a job interview. Being good or bad at them is not an indicator of how good a person you are. It is a skill just like being able to bull***** someone.


    My father was a 4th generation Navy Sailor and I have spent most my life around the Navy.


    I'm snipping out the rest of your points here as I feel this is possibly the most important one.

    Do you feel that there is an expectation that you have to follow in the footsteps of your ancestors and if you don't you will be in some way letting them down? If you do try and get rid of that feeling as much as is possible. Definitely talk to your Dad if he is still around as I am sure that he would much rather that you be content in what you are doing in life than blindly following in his footsteps. He might also be appaulled at the amount of stress that you are putting yourself under to go through this process, especially if your sole aim in doing so is to follow family tradition and live up to the image of your ancestors.


    After being given another 6 months wait I was asked to redo a medical only to fail that because of a fracture finger I sustained playing sport. So was given another 6 months of waiting.
    Yeah failing a medical due to a broken finger sucks but it doesn't change once you sign up. My Dad is ex-Army and he failed a commisioning board due to being unable to pass the fitness test. No allowance was given for the fact that he had just spent the previous 24+ hours getting to Worthy Down from Hong Kong and had assorted delays which meant he only just arrive at the barracks in teime


    I memorised anything and everything I thought that could be important. I contacted people in the royal navy to ask them what they felt made a good officer.


    This seems to be a big part of your problem you are seem to be making it the centre point of your entire existence and self worth whether you meet up to some mythical impression of an ancestor you have created and are worried that you might fall short. Treat it like any other job interview.


    Yet none of it mattered, for my entire interview was failed on the account that I seemed nervous and inexperienced for the role.


    Remember you are applying for what is most likely to be a combat role and from the sounds of it as a commissioned officer. Looking at it from the other side they want to be sure that the person portions of the crew will be looking to in a crisis is not going to fall apart and is capable of functioning and getting others to function.


    I don't know why I am writing this

    Venting and Catharsis

    I guess I just feel like I don't belong in this world.

    Bollocks. there is a perfectly good Duke Daemon shaped whole in this world. Its just that you haven't found it yet, perhaps because you have been obsessed with following in your fathers and his fathers footsteps to find your proper place.


    After 2 years of effort trying to join only to be refused because of lack of experience and age, I feel like I wasted my life.

    Again Bollocks. You were stil the captain and coach for a University sports team.
    You still have a degree.
    You still have the ability to speak 2 languages.

    This is not magically undone due to failing an interview process. Plenty of people do that and their lives aren't wasted. Yours hasn't and won't be.


    My father always asked me to leave the world in a better condition than what I was born into.

    And there are plenty of ways of doing that, that don't involve serving in the armed forces.

    How can I do that if I can't even pass a simple sift interview?

    Charity work. Find a cause you believe in and start volunteering/rasing money for them. If you still want it to be related to the millitary pick something like Help For Heros, Commonwealth War Graves etc. That way whilst you might not be actively serving you will in the former case helping those that come back broken and in the latter helping to make sure those that don't come back are remembered properly.

    If being at see is important join the Coast Guard/RNLI.

    What company/forces would want someone who can't even pass a sift interview?


    Any number of them. The Armed forces have some very specialised requirements and their interview process is geared towards that. Other companies/businesses are going to have different requirements. Just because you have failed in your ambition to join the Navy it does not mean that you will never find a job.

    The worst part is it was all I ever wanted and yet here I am questioning my purpose to life.

    And now to ask the really important question. Why is the only thing you ever wanted to do is join the Navy? Was it for yourself or was it because it would be expected of you to do it due to family tradition?

    If the answer is due to tradition I say bollocks to that. Traditions start somewhere and there is nothing to say that what ever career you eventually choose will be picked up by your son/daughter and then continue through out the generations.


    I tried to be a good christian, even a good Samaritan but even that won't help in life. I was tempted to write to someone, to ask for help but then I realised no one would care. I am only a cog in a machine, unwanted by royal navy, why would someone higher up in the service care?

    Because depending on who you picked they either know you or your Dad and would likely be appauled at the amount of pressure you have put on yourself tyo be successful in this process/career path.


    No I am not suicidal,



    Much like walking through a wasteland and all the paths lead to nowhere.

    Bollocks, they do lead somewhere they just don't lead to the desintation you thought they did when you started on this journey.


    I feel like I failed my father and my family, incapable of passing an interview that a 16 year old can.

    And have you spoken to him/them and have they confirmed it? Or are you just judging yourself/them of that mythical standard created by family tradition?

    I suppose my question is, "What would you do?"

    Sit down and actually talk to your dad about what you feel and the pressure the situation it is putting on you.
    Examine the reasons why you want to join the Navy, if it is just because of family expectation, **** that. You will always be measuring your self up against that 'standard' and finding your self short so unlikely to ever be truely happy. If it is for personal reasons forget the fact that the rest of your family going back x generations did it and do it for yourself. That may cure some of the nervs that the interviewers are picking up on. If it doesn't you may have to accept that serving in a combat branch is not for you.

    But that is not the only way you can help society. Join one of the Emergency/Security servcies, become a doctor/teacher/lawyer. Work for charities there are plenty of helping society outside of the milliatry.


    Sorry if you found this post boring or trivial, it's just I feel lost and could use a lamp for illumination in these dark streets.

    Thank you and have a nice day/evening/night.


    This is not trivial to you and it shouldn't be. You are at a cross roads and if my few words could offer some illumination/guidance then it is a pleasure to have written them.


    As a last point Seriously if your dad is still around talk to him about this. I am sure that he like mine would much rather you were happy and successful in a carreer of your own choosing than feeling forced to follow in his footsteps and being miserable because you fail to match up to some expectation that probably does not exist.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Those people who voted for Trump in the hopes that he won't get involved in a war with Russia hold be happy.

    Pity he is pressing all the right buttons to piss China off.


    Quote from Trump inauguration: Taiwan delegation could "disturb Sino-US relations" »

    The war of words between China and Donald Trump flared again as China urged the US not to let a Taiwanese delegation attend his inauguration.

    Trump previously broke decades of diplomatic protocol by speaking directly with Taiwan’s president after winning the US presidential election in November.

    China said it opposed the Taiwan delegation’s attendance, which could “disturb or undermine Sino-US relations”.

    “We once again urge relevant parties in the US to allow no delegation sent by the Taiwan authority to attend the inauguration ceremony of the president, and not to have any official contact with Taiwan,” said Hua Chunying, a foreign ministry spokeswoman. “This message has been delivered to the sitting US administration and the Trump transition team.”

    China will send its ambassador to the US, Cui Tiankai, to the inauguration.

    China sees Taiwan as a breakaway province and has often used military threats to discourage a formal declaration of independence. Trump has infuriated China by suggesting the “one China” policy – a diplomatic status quo under which Beijing’s claims are not contested – could become a bargaining chip in future trade talks.



    More at link
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    posted a message on Femeref Enchantress and Rancor
    The next time SBA are checked the game will see that Rancor and Spirit loop are on the battlefield and not attached to anything and will send them to the graveyard.

    This will trigger each of their abilties and Femeref enchantress twice. Since player A controls all the triggers they get to decide which order they wish to put them on the stack. Presuming nothing extra happens Rancor and spirit loop will return to their owners hands and player A will have drawn 2 cards.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Quote from Ljoss »
    I'm placing them in the same category because they're both news stories that are entirely make believe.


    So you are currently trying to deny that CNN, The Guardian, numerous other news outlets and Senator Mccain were all handed a doissier that contained a number of very explosive allegations concerning Donald Trump and his possible links to Russian attempts to subvert the recent Electoral Process.

    If you are doing the above in attempting to claim the CNN story is in the same class as the recent story Democrat run Kiddy fiddly ring being run out a D.C Pizzeria then Tiax is quite correct you are not using the same definintion as the rest of the world. Hint yours is the wrong one.


    The 'dodgy dossier' exists and is currently with amoungst other people the relevant sections of the FBI. This is news and once they felt that there was enough basis to warn both the President Elect and the Outgoing President there is a legitimate reason to atleast report on its existence and once Buzzfeed had published the dossier in full there was also a legitmate reason for other new outlets to report and comment on that fact.


    If you were actually interested in the story and not engaged in some blinkered attempt to discredit it at all costs you would have noticed that the 'liberal press' have not exactly rallied round to defend Buzzfeed for publishing the full doisser. Rather they have called it foolish.

    Largely because people are getting hung up on the details and at least publically not asking other important question related to it like if it was handed over to the FBI how much did Director Comey know about it and if he did know of its existance what colored his disicion not to announce its existance and an investigation into it to the world like he did that botched final investigation into Hillary's email servers thats only result was to foolishly project his organisation into the political arena at a very sensitive time when it should have remained politically neutral.

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    posted a message on B&R Update: Emrakul, Copter, Reflector Mage banned in Standard, Gitaxian Probe, Gravetroll in Modern!
    Quote from Duke Daemon »
    I'm surprised they didn't try to restrict the cards first. They'd be less oppressive if you were only allowed one in their deck.
    For those who argue wizards tested this, lack of energy tokens, bad English grammar on crown tokens, a infinite combo bein present in a two set block and the ability to cast things for free when eldrazis were in standard proves they are crap at testing their product.


    Then the game becomes even more swingy as it becomes a race to see who can find their restricted card first. It would also still warp the format as people put in enough tutoring effects to find the restricted card.
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    posted a message on B&R Update: Emrakul, Copter, Reflector Mage banned in Standard, Gitaxian Probe, Gravetroll in Modern!
    Quote from Yatsufusa »

    This announcement worries me (and has me more on my paranoid side) because one of the Magic's defining characteristics was its extensive testing for Standard which allows it to have ban-free balanced Standards for the longest time possible. The two times it happened since Mirrodin (Affinity & CawBlade) they admitted those fell through the cracks and that was very occasional with large impact on tournament attendance. This announcement doesn't carry that weight. As a result, it seems to give an impression that diminishes their testing capabilities. On top of that tournament attendance isn't a viable reason because of the recent changes to the format (Two-set Paradigm and then then the extended lifespan of sets in the format) being other viable factors.

    Like I said extensive testing for Standard is one of MTG's defining features and if something did happen to it (which the announcements may imply), then the game might be headed towards a downward spiral. I say "may" because the game is resilient enough to survive a few years of repercussion from a mistake, but ultimately its still dependent on whether it gets fixed in time or not. I'm not saying the game is dead or dying at all, but this announcement has inferred quite a good possibility that a major gateway that could lead to the game entering recession has potentially opened.



    WOTC is always 'missing' things in standard. Or more correctly they are busy fixing the problems that we never get to see and when Maro is allowed to talk about it he is usually very honest in his attempts to show how the sausage is made, like wise the people in development. Not quite on the same scale as Affininty standard and Cawblade, the Future Future league did not have a Slid/Rift deck in it and were more concerned about super powered wizard decks countering things, like wise when Zendikar was in testing they didn't have any decks based around Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle, probably because they were trying to deal with an other problem that was worse.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Looks like the Republicans just want to roll over and get the transition done as fast as possible, ethics and conflicts of interest be damned

    Quote from Many of Trump"s cabinet nominees have not been through ethics review »
    Several of Donald Trump’s cabinet nominees have not completed a full review to avoid conflicts of interest, the government’s ethics office has said, even as Republican senators move quickly to hold at least nine confirmation hearings next week.
    'He'll take a chainsaw to it': is Obama's legacy strong enough to survive Trump?
    Read more

    In a letter to Senate leaders, the director of the Office of Government Ethics (OGE) described the current status of several nominees, some of whom are billionaires and millionaires, in the ethics process and expressed concern about the lack of ethics reviews just days from committee hearings.

    The Associated Press obtained a copy of Walter Shaub’s letter.

    “During this presidential transition, not all of the nominees presently scheduled for hearings have completed the ethics review process,” he wrote, to Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer and Senator Elizabeth Warren, both Democrats.

    “In fact, OGE has not received even initial draft financial disclosure reports for some of the nominees scheduled for hearings.”

    A copy of the letter also was provided to Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell.

    Republicans are intent on getting as many of the president-elect’s choices through the arduous confirmation process as quickly as possible so his team will be in place soon after Trump takes the oath of office on 20 January. Democrats have complained that the GOP is moving too fast and that they lack information about some of the wealthiest Americans ever to serve a president.


    More at the link.
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    posted a message on Trample vs Outrider en-kor
    The attacking player does not need to consider any abilites that would prevent or redirect damage when working out if he can damage the defending player/planeswalker, they only have to assign lethal damage which is defined as damage equal to the creatures toughness - any damage already marked on the creature or 1 point of damage from a source with deathtouch.

    With an outrider en-kor blocking that means he only needs to assign 2 damage to the knight and can assign 2 more to you or the defending planeswalker depending on what he attacked.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Then if everything is above board why do the state legislatures throw so many obstacles in the way of people wanting to do an audit of the election to ensure that nothing odd has happened.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Just seen an interesting article on another matter that had something relevant to the discussion over potential hacking of the voting machines.


    Quote from Five things that got broken at the oldest hacking event in the world »

    Elections
    Voting on paper might seem woefully old-fashioned in the 21st century, but one hour in Chaos Communications Congress will leave you very relieved if your country still votes the old way, and very concerned if it doesn’t.

    J Alex Halderman and Matt Bernhard, both of the University of Michigan, discussed attempts to prove that the US election wasn’t hacked, whether by Russia or some other attacker.

    Their findings were concerning: not only would it be entirely possible to alter the results reported by a number of electronic voting machines while leaving no obvious trace of your attack, it would be possible to do that at the scale needed to hack an election.

    “I’m pretty sure my undergraduate security class could have changed the outcome of the presidential election,” Halderman said. “It really is that bad.”

    That wouldn’t be so bad, since every electronic voting machine used in the United States leaves some sort of paper audit trail, either in the form of receipts printed off to mark the vote, or the physical ballot paper scanned in in the first place.

    Except no one counts the paper trail, and legal attempts to force them to do so ended in a costly deadlock in December 2016.

    The one piece of good news? The abortive recount didn’t find any evidence that a hack had happened; it just also didn’t find evidence that it hadn’t happened.


    The rest of the article can be found here if any one is interested in seeing what else we either rely on now or are very likely to rely on in the future got broken but I have snipped out the relevant bit to the thread.

    I have to admit that I am concerned that Halderman believes that his undergraduates would have been able to alter the results of the election. And whilst we haven't yet been able to difinetively prove that the election was hacked the old adage abscence of proof is not the same as proof of abscence.

    If I were a US citizen I would be petioning my State represnentatives, congress person and senators to get the minimum standards of security on these machines increased. Forget about voter registration this is potentially a far bigger cause of election fraud.
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    posted a message on SJW - Just A Pejoritive
    Quote from SailorMoonkin »

    So, I don't disagree with you that this study is bogus, but do you really think that any study that is funded by someone that might have views about the study should be immediately dismissed? Because I am not sure exactly what study could be held up under that rule.


    AS B_S said in his post above it depends on who is asking the question, why they are doing it and where the research is being published. If it the research is being run by a reputable organisation and being published in a reputable journal most of the time you can trust it. I say most of the time here as I am remembering the paper Andrew Wakefield got published in the Lancet where he 'proved' the link between Autism and the MMR vaccine.

    If it isn't look very carefully at the background of the orgainisation to see if they have an inherent bias, and if they are willing to freely disseminate their methodology so someone else can come in at a later point and double check the work they have done and verify their conclustions.
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    posted a message on Attacking with crewed vehicles.
    Sure. Once you have paid for the crew ability there is no requirement for the creatures you tapped to remain so for the rest of the turn.

    If you crew the vehicle you can then cast a spell like Twiddle to untap the creature and then as long as you have done this before the declare attackers/blockers steo you can use the newly untapped creature to attack/block with.
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    posted a message on Attacking with crewed vehicles.
    Quote from AltEgo47 »
    In trying to understand the rules for artifact vehicles and am unclear on a few things.

    1.If a crewed vehicle is defeated during the combat phase either by damage dealt or a destroy creature instant do both vehicle and pilot die or just the vehicle?


    Once the crew ability has resolved there is no link between the vehicle and the creatures you tapped to pay for the ability. Only the vehicle is going to die the crew are going to remain on the battlefield.


    2.Do creatures retain their abilities while crewing vehicles? Example if Borderlands Marauder crews Sky Skiff would Sky Skiff gain "Whenever Borderlands Marauder attacks, it gets +2/+0 until end of turn."?

    The vehicle is completely seperate from the 'crew'. When it turns into a creature it only has the abilities that are printed on the card it does not gain any abilities from the creatures you used to pay for the activation of the ability


    3.Can artifact creatures be the target of enchantments?


    Yes they can. If the enchantment is an aura it will need a enchant condition of enchant creature, artifact or permanent. Just be aware that if you put an enchant creature on a crewed vehicle at the end of the current turn the aura will fall off when the vehicle stops being a creature.

    If the enchantment has a targetted ability on lightning rift then again the targeting condition of the ability has to be either enchant creature, artifact or permanent to be able to target your artifact creature.
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    posted a message on Customer service at Troll and Toad?
    There is a thread dedicated to them here.
    Posted in: Magic General
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    posted a message on Ceremonious Rejection
    Quote from treevamp »

    Awesome, thank you all for clearing that up and for being patient with a noob like me. Related question: can Ceremonious Rejection destroy a vehicle like Fleetwheel Cruiser? If so, what difference does it make if the vehicle is crewed or un-crewed?


    It will be able to counter the fleetwheel cruiser not destroy it. And since the cruiser is not on the battlefield your opponent will not have had a chance to crew it. If he has done so it means that it has resolved and is on the battlefield and you are back to needing something like shatter to deal with it.
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    posted a message on Ceremonious Rejection
    First off please use card tags when asking question about specific cards as it gives us the most upto date wording for them. Not so important in this case but with some older cards there are big differences between the printed wording and the current official wording of the spell. Instructions on how to use card tags can be found here


    To answer your question a counterspell like Ceremonious Rejection can only target something whilst it is on the stack between when the player casts the spell and it actually resolves. If it is a creature like a Dukhara Peafowl once it has hit the battlefield it is to late counter it and you would need something like shatter to deal with it.

    You are correct though that if something is successfully countered it will go to the graveyard unless something tells it go elsewhere.
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    posted a message on Russia, the possibility they hacked the DNC, and the possibility they're next for an Iraq WMD situation
    When Gary Mckinnon and other hacked into the Pentagon looking for evidence of UFOs and other relatively harmless stuff the relevant authorities in the UK and US were able to identify them fairly quickly and comprehensively as they were co-operating.

    Russia and China are going to have exactly the same capabilities to find these people if they were inclined to do so. The fact that they haven't found them yet are blaming them on civilian hacktivists is speaking volumes, in that they are seeking plausible deniability in not directly saying they did it but not being able to find them and shut them down or present them for legal proceedings to be initiated.
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    posted a message on Is the future of the Democratic party purely cosmopolitan, being represented mostly by minorities and the professional class?
    Quote from Surging Chaos »
    France and the Netherlands are likely going to be the next countries to go through this same "stick it to the man" wave. I fully expect Marine Le Pen and Geert Wilders to win their respective elections now that they're energized by what has happened in the Anglosphere.


    The next link in the chain was supposed to be Austria with them electing there first Right wing leader since the Second World war and a certain Moustached fellow. That didn't work out so well in the re-run of the election.

    This has shown that they can be beaten if challenged correctly as the Austrians did by asking what sort of society people wanted and they rejected the myopic, simplistic views put forward by the populist right.
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    posted a message on What type of Islam do terrorist organizations like ISIS follow?
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    Violence against infidels is actually supported in the quran. All the bad things that people associate with Islam like violence and misogyny are advocated for in the quran.


    Same as all the nasty things like people the Westboro Baptist Church use to justify there hatred of gays are in the Holy bible, both testaments. Yet you don't seem to want to tar all Christians with the being homophobic *****bags but are happy to that for Muslims for some reason.
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    posted a message on Are the four Planeschase Anthology decks compatible with Standard play?
    Quote from LeDave952 »
    Thanks guys, I got the PM Wizard, thanks.

    I have another newbie question. Let's say I am doing this based off standard play; If I were to buy two deck builder sets that are in the current blocks list, are the two decks interchangeable with each other if I were to combine them to build my own deck? If they can be combined, are they still "technically" usable in play? Meaning do a lot of people do it or does it significantly drop your win-rate because there are so many different cards containing different things from different sets? Thanks!


    The intro decks aren't supposed to be competitive decks. Rather they are just built to give players an idea of some of the themes in a block and provide a jumping off point for other deck ideas. If you combine 2 different decks you are not going to do very well as there is not going to be any internal synergy in the deck.



    EDIT: Also, Can I play standard rules without the rule that it has to be in the current block? Thanks.


    AS Wizard said in his first post there is only one set of rules for the game which ever format you use. All standard is, is a discription of a format that limits what sets you can use. The only thing that changes with the formats is the size of card pool you can use and therefore the sorts of keywords and abilities you are likely to see. Apart from that the basic rules structure of the game does not change.
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    posted a message on SJW - Just A Pejoritive
    Quote from MTGTCG2 »
    Alright, so some mod whose username starts with Os just banned me for sharing an opinion he disagrees with on the freaking Debate subforum, how ironic...

    No you were suspended for 1 week for racking up 3 infractions within a 30 day period. If you had any issues the infractions as issued you could have argued them in an appeal.

    So now this account of your is going to be banned and your original suspension extended to 2 weeks it accordance to the rules you agreed to when you signed up to the forum.


    Also some more things that are bad about SJWs are that they support Islam, a violent, intolerant, homophobic, and mysogynistic ideology that supports many of the things that SJWs claim to be against.


    All the things you mention are also carried out by another group that 'non-SJW' like to give a free pass to. Yet when individuals of this group carry out actions based on this ideology we are always told that they are not represenative and not to judge teh actions of the many by the actions of a few. Something that is not extended to the followers of Islam. If you ahve not worked it out yet the other group in question is Christianity who have equally nasty sections in its holy book and equally nasty groups claiming affiliation. If one religion gets a free pass on its nasty bits why shouldn't the rest?



    They also support the BLM movement which influences the killing of cops and organizes riots which cause great property damage and violence, all because of the few times that a cop supposedly shot an unarmed black man and because of the other times that cops shot a black person that was supposedly innocent but upon examination of the evidence was clearly a threat to innocent people.

    WTF are you trying to say here? Seriously this is a rambling sentance that jumps around quite a bit?

    Are you seriously trying to claim that people of a colored persuasion aren't being unfairly targetted by Police and are far more likely to get incarcerated or more likely to get shot by police than white people. If you are then like the libertarian thread you created unfortuately the historic record goes against you here.


    Edit: How am I posting hate? In no way am I advocating for the mistreatment of any group of individuals, I am only arguing against the narratives and beliefs of the SJWs.


    You have labelled an entire group of people cancer because you dislike what they stand for. How is that not posting hate?

    I would be interested in your reply but wait 2 weeks to post it cause if you create another account its going to get banned along with your main account and then you will have to wait a year before you can appeal and shower us in your gibberish again...
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    posted a message on SJW - Just A Pejoritive
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    Whatever happened to actually providing reason and evidence in a debate? I get it, you find this offensive and it contradicts the narrative that you all have been fed for many years, but you arent(at least you shouldnt be) tricking anybody by calling my beliefs racist and phony without providing any argument to back it up.


    It would actually be nice if you were able to put forward some actual arguements with proof though. Something you spectacturly failed to do in your libertarianism thread and are also failing to do here.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Quote from Highroller »


    On to an actual substantive debate: Obama is pursuing sanctions against Russia. How do we think the transition of power will affect this?


    Obama has attempted to put Trump in a lose/lose situation. Making Trump either face down either his own party or Putin very early on in his presidency.
    Either Trump is going to ignore what his own intelligence people are telling him is what happened during the election and will reinstate the diplomatic missions which is going to upset the Republicans in congress who are disappointed that Obama hasn't taken any more substantial actions against Russia.

    Or he is going to maintain the sanctions which is going to make his plan to ease some of the tensions with Russia a lot harder to do.

    This does presume that the republicans do not turn into 2 faced *****s the instant that Trump takes office and start supporting everything he does.
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    posted a message on Panharmonicon and Fabrication Module
    MTGO is working correctly.

    Fabrication module is not triggering off a creature like Aether Theorist entering the battlefield. It is triggering off the ETB generated by the theorist and other similar creatures resolving and giving you energy counters so there is nothing for the effect from Panharmonicon to apply to.
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    posted a message on Is the future of the Democratic party purely cosmopolitan, being represented mostly by minorities and the professional class?
    Quote from Highroller »

    And we should not make this a debate on mandatory voting. The US has no mandatory voting policy, and even if such a thing were ruled not-unconstitutional (it wouldn't), it is not going to implemented in the near future.


    Just out of Curiousity why would mandatory voting get ruled unconstitutional? Has it been tested before or has no one tried implementing it?
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    posted a message on Quick Caller of the Claw Question
    Whilst it may be represented by the same bit of cardboard each time a game object changes game zones it becomes a completely new version of its self with no memory of what happened to previously.

    If you perform the loop in your opening post 1 million times the game will see 1 million creatures have died so will give you a million bears if you cast the caller of the claw.
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    posted a message on Mind's Desire EDH Storm
    It depends entirely on when you choose to cast the grapeshot.

    The only things Mind's Desire does is exile the top card of your library then have you shuffle it whilst giving you permission to play the cards you exiled until the end of the current turn.

    After that point the decision of when you cast the spells that are revealed is entirely up to you. You can cast the grapeshot as the first spell after mind's desire resolves or cast a couple of different ones first.
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    posted a message on New evidence uncovered by the Washington Post puts scary new spin on the "Fake News" Crisis -- It really was Russia all along
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    Quote from Kahedron »
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    He has his 100% accuracy record to defend.


    Isn't this 100% accuracy record from Wikileaks itself? So Assange's own company is giving him a 100% accuracy record? That seems... questionable.

    Maybe he has lied in the past. But yes you are right, it is Wikileaks with the 100% rating, but if he is lying now it would hurt the Wikileaks reputation. But still need solid evidence to say it was the Russians. Maybe a Russian insider will come out and bring some evidence/witness to the US corporate media...


    Way to not answer the question. Which I will put in simple terms. Is Wikileaks the only organisation that is giving Wikileaks a 100% truthfulness rating or is there a third party that is doing the same thing?


    What has been discredited?


    Don't know don't care. The question wasn't about anything being discredited. Are you going to stop spamming this forum and actually answer it which was: Is Wikileaks the only organisation that is giving Wikileaks a 100% truthfulness rating or is there a third party that is doing the same thing?

    Its a fairly simple question and only needs a yes or a no as an answer.
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    posted a message on [The Crafters] have far worse than Chimney Imps stuck up our smokestacks!
    8 Yomakos hugging
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from Typho0nn »


    I'm sure the Jews, Gypsies, Gays and Communists were really greatful for the protection granted to them by the overly complicated German warmachine. The Warmachine that also wasn't being created to defend the sections of the German Population that Hitler liked, rather to agressively dismantle a Peace treaty he didn't like and then in the acquistion of Living Space for the superior Aryan Race.


    Oh yeah you are still to demonstrate conclusively how that caring for the population is the sole or eveb main reason why Nazi Germany Collapsed.


    The warmachine was not there till after Hitler came to power. Communists Russia was allied with the Nazis for a bit, the communists would have been safe in Hitlers rise to power. not sure about the Jews, I think Hitler wrote about them in his book, being part of an international banking conspiracy and starting world war 1. And the Gypsies probably weren't targets as well till after he came to power, they could have been brainwashed by his propaganda and some might have supported him...


    I think you will find that Mein Kampf was written long before Hitler came to power. And actually was written at a time where is was possible that he might never have come to power. Likewise in the same book he expressed his hatred for the Communists and his plan to get living space to the east. The Von Ribbentrop Pact was a very temporary measure solely designed to stop the Russians interfering in Poland.

    The Nazis or National Socialists, got in power because they were promised a prosperous nation. The people were promised 'well-being' and is't how they were able to go to war. It might not be the main reason for the collapse, (which could just be bombing by the allies.) but it was a part of how they got there.

    No the Nazi's got into power because the Weimar Republic got bored of instituting Dictatorial Measures followed by a fresh election every 6 months and they wanted some one that just might be able to make it slightly longer between elections and could easily be controlled. That unfortunately didn't work that well when they picked Hitler to be their puppet figurehead in the Reichstag.

    At this point I should inform you that the NSDAP was a minority party in the Reichstag at the time, it was only after Hitler got given the Chancellorship did they start getting any appreciable power.

    And before you continue with your claim that the Nazi war machine was designed to protect the German People, it wasn't it was built up solely to piss all over the Treaty of Versailles which Hitler loathed. This being the same justification Hitler used in his initial moves which ultimately lead to WW2.


    And I see that you have backtracked over your claim that their socialist policies were the major reason Nazi Germany Collapsed. Good now apply the lesson that arguing with the historical record is a bad thing to the rest of your arguments and come back to us.
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    posted a message on New evidence uncovered by the Washington Post puts scary new spin on the "Fake News" Crisis -- It really was Russia all along
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    He has his 100% accuracy record to defend.


    Isn't this 100% accuracy record from Wikileaks itself? So Assange's own company is giving him a 100% accuracy record? That seems... questionable.

    Maybe he has lied in the past. But yes you are right, it is Wikileaks with the 100% rating, but if he is lying now it would hurt the Wikileaks reputation. But still need solid evidence to say it was the Russians. Maybe a Russian insider will come out and bring some evidence/witness to the US corporate media...


    Way to not answer the question. Which I will put in simple terms. Is Wikileaks the only organisation that is giving Wikileaks a 100% truthfulness rating or is there a third party that is doing the same thing?
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    posted a message on Hexproof/shroud vs area spells
    A spell or ability only targets in MTG if it specifically has the word 'target' written on the card or in the rules back up for it in the case of keyword actions or abilities like enchant and equip.

    Windstorm does not say it targets to it gets around both hexproof and shroud.
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    posted a message on Expreiment Kraj and Caller of the Untamed
    No you will not.

    The ability that creates the tokens is not a traditional ability that uses the name of the object it is on. It specifically calls for the cards to be exiled by a caller of the untamed.

    Whilst you would be able to activate the ability with an Experiment Kraj you will not be able to create the token unless you also have a caller of the untamed in your deck and you exiled cards with it before the game.
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    posted a message on Disscussion about WotC's Spoiler Policy thread
    Quote from Warangel88 »
    Sometimes wizards just want to spoil products to see people reaction to that. It is very hard to plan everything 3 years in front of you. I do not believe in leaks. They are all made by wizards.


    If everything is planned out in advance why did WOTC sue the pants off Rancored Elf?

    Answer it isn't planned out in advance and there are some things that WOTC would dearly like to keep secret and unfortunately assorted people like the aforementioned Elf have managed to get hold of them and disseminated them on various sites, historically this one. And in the case of the Elf and a couple of others they have paid the price in a number of ways in the form of lawsuits and atleast 1 spoiler hunter has had his DCI number suspended for life due to his actions.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from Typho0nn »

    Quote from Kahedron »
    Quote from Typho0nn »


    I was providing examples of how societies that looked after well-being tend to fail, using examples of different scale. (It was a counter argument, not that you should even need to be told how to argue)


    I would love to know what metrics you were using when you worked out that Mao's China and Hilter's Germany cared about their populations.

    And also how you are able to conclusively blame the collapse of Nazi Germany to that aforementioned caring about the German Population.


    Isn't that, the point of communism and socialism to care about the people? -I guess I am being assumptious here. The Nazis did brag about their high employment rate, even though they were doing next to nothing.


    That might be the theory but the History of China, Russia and pretty much every other country that has implemented Communism has not cared about the little people. I'd suggest you take a look at the Great leap Backwards.

    Quote from Typho0nn »

    Building war machines is done to protect the population. It is caring for the population wanting to defend them.


    I'm sure the Jews, Gypsies, Gays and Communists were really greatful for the protection granted to them by the overly complicated German warmachine. The Warmachine that also wasn't being created to defend the sections of the German Population that Hitler liked, rather to agressively dismantle a Peace treaty he didn't like and then in the acquistion of Living Space for the superior Aryan Race.


    Oh yeah you are still to demonstrate conclusively how that caring for the population is the sole or eveb main reason why Nazi Germany Collapsed.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from Typho0nn »


    I was providing examples of how societies that looked after well-being tend to fail, using examples of different scale. (It was a counter argument, not that you should even need to be told how to argue)


    I would love to know what metrics you were using when you worked out that Mao's China and Hilter's Germany cared about their populations.

    And also how you are able to conclusively blame the collapse of Nazi Germany to that aforementioned caring about the German Population.
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    posted a message on Force Of Will and Takebacks
    This is not a situation that a definitive answer can be given as in a sanctioned tournament it is something a judge needs to investigate before continuing.

    In your original post it appears that the opposing player has just chosen to reveal his Force of will and then put it back in his hand as he has not mentioned any targets or made any attempt to pay the costs of the spell. Note unlike in chess there is no obligation to continue with an action once you have started it, for example if you realise that it is not in your best interests to play that spell or the action is illegal.

    For the second part of your question yes how your opponent has been playing during your match will be part of what the judge will be asking both players about when he investigates the situation.
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    posted a message on New evidence uncovered by the Washington Post puts scary new spin on the "Fake News" Crisis -- It really was Russia all along
    First off learn how to quote properly it isn't hard and it makes it easier to work out what you are attempting to refute.


    Quote from Typho0nn »
    People who are accused of wrongdoing tend to deny it.



    "His account cannot be independently verified."

    Not disproof.


    On the contrary it is your own source admitting that he is not sure that it is true. Hence he is concerned that the person who told him hte story is lying to him yet he has been forced to print the story anyway due to editorial pressure.


    Your first 'source'
    "individuals with connections" connections is not proof. I've got heaps of 'connections' and does not mean *****!!! If Australia does bomb Syrian army locations and allow ISIS to make ground, I am connected to that but I am not responsible for that. When I rar, I was going on anti-foreign intervention.

    And are your connections in anyway related to the Austrailian intelligence agencies and willing to tell you classified information? If they aren't they are not in the same league as the sorts of people the CIA, NSA, MI6 etc are going to be talking to. So I'm not entirely sure how relevant this is to proving or disproving the veracity of the Washington posts story.


    Second source
    "believe are spies..." belief is not proof.


    On its own no. When taken in to consideration with the piles and piles of other information that Russians has carried out similar actions in other countries like Georgia and Estonia. And as for them not having official backing of the Russian state to quote Jim Lewis of the Centre of Strategic and International Studies, 'If a hacker in St. Petersburg tried to break into the Kremlin system, that hacker could count the remaining hours on one hand". With that capability we can presume the reason why the Russians were unwilling to provide culprits for other times they have been caught with their citzens hacking into computer systems owned by other nations/ multinational corportations is that there is some significant connection to the state and theya are using the image 'citzen hactivist' as a smokescreen.


    Third 'source' NY times, has been supporting WOMD lies. It is bias. I don't even wanna know what you want to quote from this.... just looks like a bunch of ifs and buts....


    So your argument against this source is that the New York times printed stories that Iraq had WMD? If so can we use it as well as in addition to is well documented support of Hitler, continuing support of Russia and China it also printed similar stories of that the New York Times. And unlike the NYT they are yet to apologise for them.

    However as we have responded directly to your specific source it behoves you to do the same. What specifically do you take issue with about the source.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    Quote from DJK3654 »

    The freer the culture the better they tend to expand and survive and improvements in overall quality of life; USA, Australia, S Korea, Today China. You have no reference or examples... for your 'argument'.

    Australia and China today are more socialist than Nazi Germany was.


    Yes, and we can see the decrease in living standards happening now with this government debt bubble recession soon to be a depression (2018).



    You mean the current reccession that could have been prevented/averted if assorted governments had taken a greater interest in what the fiancial industry was doing and perhaps had imposed a bit more regulation. Whilst the Government Debt bubble might of been shaken/collapsed in some places due it to blame it as the cause is taking blinkered revisionism to an extreme.

    The Decrease in living standards in the UK is also caused by our current government abandoning the social democratic polices of previous governments in favor of their Free Market at all costs ideals. Highlighted by them freezing wages at 2008 levels and gradually selling off government services like the Prison and Probation Services off to the Private Sector. And then still Subsidising the private companies.


    Edit: Also I think World War 2 had a bigger effect on the collapse of Nazi Germany than there supposed Welfare System. You might want to read about it should prove enlightening.
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    posted a message on New evidence uncovered by the Washington Post puts scary new spin on the "Fake News" Crisis -- It really was Russia all along
    Quote from Typho0nn »

    *Daily mail is now "crap"... LOL!*


    I take issue with only one word "now". It always has been and unless it has a radical restructuring it always will be a badly disguised propaganda rag designed to inflame a certain viewpoint. Back in the Thirtys they were unapologetic supporters of the Nazi's both in Germany and at home in Mosley's blackshirts. Not much has changed now with them hanging on the coat tails of both the Chinese and the Russians. They have earned there nickname of the Daily Fail several times over!
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    posted a message on Myriad of Aurelias
    Quote from Yamahako »
    If you're running Mirror Gallery and Parallel Lives, though - would this work?


    No it would not. Even with Parallel lives on the battlefield all the tokens are created by the myriad ability so will get exiled at the end of the current combat phase. Long before you would get the chance to declare them as attackers in the second combat phase created by Aureilia.

    The only thing adding these artifacts does is increase the amount of angels created and make it so all of them will survive the SBA checks that would apply the legend rule it does not get around the triggered ability that exiles the tokens as part of Myriad.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    1. No, business does better because competition increases quality/cost ratio.

    At the expense of having to accept a far smaller share of the market. And why are you expecting them to work against their own self interest. The whole point of a business is to make as much money as possible for its owner for the least expense. If they can do that by stifling competition and then by jacking up their prices they are going to do so. And if there is no one else in the market then the consumer is so out of luck.

    2. Judges in the market would have to prove their trustworthiness and fairness. Again, this all happens through market competition.

    Who are they in competition with? Who says they are qualified? What incentive do I have to recognise your preferred REA over the one I like.

    3.If you raise your price too high, people will buy from someone else.

    What if you have a market where other companies can't enter it cost effectively. Like with water and power companies. Or if there is a finite supply like again with water where there might only be a single source in a territory.

    4. Then someone will patronize a non-cartelized protection agency, besides cartels never last very long...

    De Beers has been running since 1871. Just after the start of the American Civil war. If you are claiming that is not a long time you need rework your definition of very long...

    5. These protection agecies wont want to fight each other because that is expensive, and is bad press for the protection agency that started the battle.

    Who says anything about pitched battles? All I am saying is you quietly take some one out round the back of woodshed and put a couple of bullets in them. Then you amalgamate their gang into yours. Rince and repeat until you have got a super gang and no one else can touch you.

    Another thing that I want to add is this, it is kind of ironic that people are arguing for the state to protect our property rights even though the state violates people's property rights through taxation.

    And again you peddle this bull***** claim that taxation is theft. It isn't, it is payment for services rendered. Even if you did not consent to be charged for them you have used them so need to pay up or suffer the consquences same as if you didn't pay your dues under your wished for libertarian utopia. And as I stated before the means the state will use to gain restitution are a lot nicer that the ones that will be used in a society with no laws or rules.


    The big problem you have through out all of this that you are under the mistaken belief that the only thing stopping humanity from acting alturistically is the nasty horrible goverment getting in the way. Unfortunately I have really bad news for you. The World does not work that way, as a species and individuals we are a bunch of selfish bastards that in the majority only looking out for ourselves and only helping others when it is also of benefit to ourselves to do so. It is governments that largely curb that selfish behavior and channel it in ways that do act for the greater good of society in one form or another.
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    posted a message on How does Alesha, Who Smiles at Death's return power function with Sleeper Agent?
    Your opponent will get a tapped sleeper agent that has been removed from combat.

    Since the control change ability on Sleeper agent does not specify that it untaps the creature it will remain tapped after Alesha's ability brought it in tapped and attacking.
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