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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Quote from Ljoss »
    I'm placing them in the same category because they're both news stories that are entirely make believe.


    So you are currently trying to deny that CNN, The Guardian, numerous other news outlets and Senator Mccain were all handed a doissier that contained a number of very explosive allegations concerning Donald Trump and his possible links to Russian attempts to subvert the recent Electoral Process.

    If you are doing the above in attempting to claim the CNN story is in the same class as the recent story Democrat run Kiddy fiddly ring being run out a D.C Pizzeria then Tiax is quite correct you are not using the same definintion as the rest of the world. Hint yours is the wrong one.


    The 'dodgy dossier' exists and is currently with amoungst other people the relevant sections of the FBI. This is news and once they felt that there was enough basis to warn both the President Elect and the Outgoing President there is a legitimate reason to atleast report on its existence and once Buzzfeed had published the dossier in full there was also a legitmate reason for other new outlets to report and comment on that fact.


    If you were actually interested in the story and not engaged in some blinkered attempt to discredit it at all costs you would have noticed that the 'liberal press' have not exactly rallied round to defend Buzzfeed for publishing the full doisser. Rather they have called it foolish.

    Largely because people are getting hung up on the details and at least publically not asking other important question related to it like if it was handed over to the FBI how much did Director Comey know about it and if he did know of its existance what colored his disicion not to announce its existance and an investigation into it to the world like he did that botched final investigation into Hillary's email servers thats only result was to foolishly project his organisation into the political arena at a very sensitive time when it should have remained politically neutral.

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    posted a message on B&R Update: Emrakul, Copter, Reflector Mage banned in Standard, Gitaxian Probe, Gravetroll in Modern!
    Quote from Duke Daemon »
    I'm surprised they didn't try to restrict the cards first. They'd be less oppressive if you were only allowed one in their deck.
    For those who argue wizards tested this, lack of energy tokens, bad English grammar on crown tokens, a infinite combo bein present in a two set block and the ability to cast things for free when eldrazis were in standard proves they are crap at testing their product.


    Then the game becomes even more swingy as it becomes a race to see who can find their restricted card first. It would also still warp the format as people put in enough tutoring effects to find the restricted card.
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    posted a message on B&R Update: Emrakul, Copter, Reflector Mage banned in Standard, Gitaxian Probe, Gravetroll in Modern!
    Quote from Yatsufusa »

    This announcement worries me (and has me more on my paranoid side) because one of the Magic's defining characteristics was its extensive testing for Standard which allows it to have ban-free balanced Standards for the longest time possible. The two times it happened since Mirrodin (Affinity & CawBlade) they admitted those fell through the cracks and that was very occasional with large impact on tournament attendance. This announcement doesn't carry that weight. As a result, it seems to give an impression that diminishes their testing capabilities. On top of that tournament attendance isn't a viable reason because of the recent changes to the format (Two-set Paradigm and then then the extended lifespan of sets in the format) being other viable factors.

    Like I said extensive testing for Standard is one of MTG's defining features and if something did happen to it (which the announcements may imply), then the game might be headed towards a downward spiral. I say "may" because the game is resilient enough to survive a few years of repercussion from a mistake, but ultimately its still dependent on whether it gets fixed in time or not. I'm not saying the game is dead or dying at all, but this announcement has inferred quite a good possibility that a major gateway that could lead to the game entering recession has potentially opened.



    WOTC is always 'missing' things in standard. Or more correctly they are busy fixing the problems that we never get to see and when Maro is allowed to talk about it he is usually very honest in his attempts to show how the sausage is made, like wise the people in development. Not quite on the same scale as Affininty standard and Cawblade, the Future Future league did not have a Slid/Rift deck in it and were more concerned about super powered wizard decks countering things, like wise when Zendikar was in testing they didn't have any decks based around Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle, probably because they were trying to deal with an other problem that was worse.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Looks like the Republicans just want to roll over and get the transition done as fast as possible, ethics and conflicts of interest be damned

    Quote from Many of Trump"s cabinet nominees have not been through ethics review »
    Several of Donald Trump’s cabinet nominees have not completed a full review to avoid conflicts of interest, the government’s ethics office has said, even as Republican senators move quickly to hold at least nine confirmation hearings next week.
    'He'll take a chainsaw to it': is Obama's legacy strong enough to survive Trump?
    Read more

    In a letter to Senate leaders, the director of the Office of Government Ethics (OGE) described the current status of several nominees, some of whom are billionaires and millionaires, in the ethics process and expressed concern about the lack of ethics reviews just days from committee hearings.

    The Associated Press obtained a copy of Walter Shaub’s letter.

    “During this presidential transition, not all of the nominees presently scheduled for hearings have completed the ethics review process,” he wrote, to Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer and Senator Elizabeth Warren, both Democrats.

    “In fact, OGE has not received even initial draft financial disclosure reports for some of the nominees scheduled for hearings.”

    A copy of the letter also was provided to Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell.

    Republicans are intent on getting as many of the president-elect’s choices through the arduous confirmation process as quickly as possible so his team will be in place soon after Trump takes the oath of office on 20 January. Democrats have complained that the GOP is moving too fast and that they lack information about some of the wealthiest Americans ever to serve a president.


    More at the link.
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    posted a message on Trample vs Outrider en-kor
    The attacking player does not need to consider any abilites that would prevent or redirect damage when working out if he can damage the defending player/planeswalker, they only have to assign lethal damage which is defined as damage equal to the creatures toughness - any damage already marked on the creature or 1 point of damage from a source with deathtouch.

    With an outrider en-kor blocking that means he only needs to assign 2 damage to the knight and can assign 2 more to you or the defending planeswalker depending on what he attacked.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Then if everything is above board why do the state legislatures throw so many obstacles in the way of people wanting to do an audit of the election to ensure that nothing odd has happened.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Just seen an interesting article on another matter that had something relevant to the discussion over potential hacking of the voting machines.


    Quote from Five things that got broken at the oldest hacking event in the world »

    Elections
    Voting on paper might seem woefully old-fashioned in the 21st century, but one hour in Chaos Communications Congress will leave you very relieved if your country still votes the old way, and very concerned if it doesn’t.

    J Alex Halderman and Matt Bernhard, both of the University of Michigan, discussed attempts to prove that the US election wasn’t hacked, whether by Russia or some other attacker.

    Their findings were concerning: not only would it be entirely possible to alter the results reported by a number of electronic voting machines while leaving no obvious trace of your attack, it would be possible to do that at the scale needed to hack an election.

    “I’m pretty sure my undergraduate security class could have changed the outcome of the presidential election,” Halderman said. “It really is that bad.”

    That wouldn’t be so bad, since every electronic voting machine used in the United States leaves some sort of paper audit trail, either in the form of receipts printed off to mark the vote, or the physical ballot paper scanned in in the first place.

    Except no one counts the paper trail, and legal attempts to force them to do so ended in a costly deadlock in December 2016.

    The one piece of good news? The abortive recount didn’t find any evidence that a hack had happened; it just also didn’t find evidence that it hadn’t happened.


    The rest of the article can be found here if any one is interested in seeing what else we either rely on now or are very likely to rely on in the future got broken but I have snipped out the relevant bit to the thread.

    I have to admit that I am concerned that Halderman believes that his undergraduates would have been able to alter the results of the election. And whilst we haven't yet been able to difinetively prove that the election was hacked the old adage abscence of proof is not the same as proof of abscence.

    If I were a US citizen I would be petioning my State represnentatives, congress person and senators to get the minimum standards of security on these machines increased. Forget about voter registration this is potentially a far bigger cause of election fraud.
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    posted a message on SJW - Just A Pejoritive
    Quote from SailorMoonkin »

    So, I don't disagree with you that this study is bogus, but do you really think that any study that is funded by someone that might have views about the study should be immediately dismissed? Because I am not sure exactly what study could be held up under that rule.


    AS B_S said in his post above it depends on who is asking the question, why they are doing it and where the research is being published. If it the research is being run by a reputable organisation and being published in a reputable journal most of the time you can trust it. I say most of the time here as I am remembering the paper Andrew Wakefield got published in the Lancet where he 'proved' the link between Autism and the MMR vaccine.

    If it isn't look very carefully at the background of the orgainisation to see if they have an inherent bias, and if they are willing to freely disseminate their methodology so someone else can come in at a later point and double check the work they have done and verify their conclustions.
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    posted a message on Attacking with crewed vehicles.
    Sure. Once you have paid for the crew ability there is no requirement for the creatures you tapped to remain so for the rest of the turn.

    If you crew the vehicle you can then cast a spell like Twiddle to untap the creature and then as long as you have done this before the declare attackers/blockers steo you can use the newly untapped creature to attack/block with.
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    posted a message on Attacking with crewed vehicles.
    Quote from AltEgo47 »
    In trying to understand the rules for artifact vehicles and am unclear on a few things.

    1.If a crewed vehicle is defeated during the combat phase either by damage dealt or a destroy creature instant do both vehicle and pilot die or just the vehicle?


    Once the crew ability has resolved there is no link between the vehicle and the creatures you tapped to pay for the ability. Only the vehicle is going to die the crew are going to remain on the battlefield.


    2.Do creatures retain their abilities while crewing vehicles? Example if Borderlands Marauder crews Sky Skiff would Sky Skiff gain "Whenever Borderlands Marauder attacks, it gets +2/+0 until end of turn."?

    The vehicle is completely seperate from the 'crew'. When it turns into a creature it only has the abilities that are printed on the card it does not gain any abilities from the creatures you used to pay for the activation of the ability


    3.Can artifact creatures be the target of enchantments?


    Yes they can. If the enchantment is an aura it will need a enchant condition of enchant creature, artifact or permanent. Just be aware that if you put an enchant creature on a crewed vehicle at the end of the current turn the aura will fall off when the vehicle stops being a creature.

    If the enchantment has a targetted ability on lightning rift then again the targeting condition of the ability has to be either enchant creature, artifact or permanent to be able to target your artifact creature.
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    posted a message on Customer service at Troll and Toad?
    There is a thread dedicated to them here.
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    posted a message on Ceremonious Rejection
    Quote from treevamp »

    Awesome, thank you all for clearing that up and for being patient with a noob like me. Related question: can Ceremonious Rejection destroy a vehicle like Fleetwheel Cruiser? If so, what difference does it make if the vehicle is crewed or un-crewed?


    It will be able to counter the fleetwheel cruiser not destroy it. And since the cruiser is not on the battlefield your opponent will not have had a chance to crew it. If he has done so it means that it has resolved and is on the battlefield and you are back to needing something like shatter to deal with it.
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    posted a message on Ceremonious Rejection
    First off please use card tags when asking question about specific cards as it gives us the most upto date wording for them. Not so important in this case but with some older cards there are big differences between the printed wording and the current official wording of the spell. Instructions on how to use card tags can be found here


    To answer your question a counterspell like Ceremonious Rejection can only target something whilst it is on the stack between when the player casts the spell and it actually resolves. If it is a creature like a Dukhara Peafowl once it has hit the battlefield it is to late counter it and you would need something like shatter to deal with it.

    You are correct though that if something is successfully countered it will go to the graveyard unless something tells it go elsewhere.
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    posted a message on Russia, the possibility they hacked the DNC, and the possibility they're next for an Iraq WMD situation
    When Gary Mckinnon and other hacked into the Pentagon looking for evidence of UFOs and other relatively harmless stuff the relevant authorities in the UK and US were able to identify them fairly quickly and comprehensively as they were co-operating.

    Russia and China are going to have exactly the same capabilities to find these people if they were inclined to do so. The fact that they haven't found them yet are blaming them on civilian hacktivists is speaking volumes, in that they are seeking plausible deniability in not directly saying they did it but not being able to find them and shut them down or present them for legal proceedings to be initiated.
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    posted a message on Is the future of the Democratic party purely cosmopolitan, being represented mostly by minorities and the professional class?
    Quote from Surging Chaos »
    France and the Netherlands are likely going to be the next countries to go through this same "stick it to the man" wave. I fully expect Marine Le Pen and Geert Wilders to win their respective elections now that they're energized by what has happened in the Anglosphere.


    The next link in the chain was supposed to be Austria with them electing there first Right wing leader since the Second World war and a certain Moustached fellow. That didn't work out so well in the re-run of the election.

    This has shown that they can be beaten if challenged correctly as the Austrians did by asking what sort of society people wanted and they rejected the myopic, simplistic views put forward by the populist right.
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    posted a message on What type of Islam do terrorist organizations like ISIS follow?
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    Violence against infidels is actually supported in the quran. All the bad things that people associate with Islam like violence and misogyny are advocated for in the quran.


    Same as all the nasty things like people the Westboro Baptist Church use to justify there hatred of gays are in the Holy bible, both testaments. Yet you don't seem to want to tar all Christians with the being homophobic *****bags but are happy to that for Muslims for some reason.
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    posted a message on Are the four Planeschase Anthology decks compatible with Standard play?
    Quote from LeDave952 »
    Thanks guys, I got the PM Wizard, thanks.

    I have another newbie question. Let's say I am doing this based off standard play; If I were to buy two deck builder sets that are in the current blocks list, are the two decks interchangeable with each other if I were to combine them to build my own deck? If they can be combined, are they still "technically" usable in play? Meaning do a lot of people do it or does it significantly drop your win-rate because there are so many different cards containing different things from different sets? Thanks!


    The intro decks aren't supposed to be competitive decks. Rather they are just built to give players an idea of some of the themes in a block and provide a jumping off point for other deck ideas. If you combine 2 different decks you are not going to do very well as there is not going to be any internal synergy in the deck.



    EDIT: Also, Can I play standard rules without the rule that it has to be in the current block? Thanks.


    AS Wizard said in his first post there is only one set of rules for the game which ever format you use. All standard is, is a discription of a format that limits what sets you can use. The only thing that changes with the formats is the size of card pool you can use and therefore the sorts of keywords and abilities you are likely to see. Apart from that the basic rules structure of the game does not change.
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    posted a message on SJW - Just A Pejoritive
    Quote from MTGTCG2 »
    Alright, so some mod whose username starts with Os just banned me for sharing an opinion he disagrees with on the freaking Debate subforum, how ironic...

    No you were suspended for 1 week for racking up 3 infractions within a 30 day period. If you had any issues the infractions as issued you could have argued them in an appeal.

    So now this account of your is going to be banned and your original suspension extended to 2 weeks it accordance to the rules you agreed to when you signed up to the forum.


    Also some more things that are bad about SJWs are that they support Islam, a violent, intolerant, homophobic, and mysogynistic ideology that supports many of the things that SJWs claim to be against.


    All the things you mention are also carried out by another group that 'non-SJW' like to give a free pass to. Yet when individuals of this group carry out actions based on this ideology we are always told that they are not represenative and not to judge teh actions of the many by the actions of a few. Something that is not extended to the followers of Islam. If you ahve not worked it out yet the other group in question is Christianity who have equally nasty sections in its holy book and equally nasty groups claiming affiliation. If one religion gets a free pass on its nasty bits why shouldn't the rest?



    They also support the BLM movement which influences the killing of cops and organizes riots which cause great property damage and violence, all because of the few times that a cop supposedly shot an unarmed black man and because of the other times that cops shot a black person that was supposedly innocent but upon examination of the evidence was clearly a threat to innocent people.

    WTF are you trying to say here? Seriously this is a rambling sentance that jumps around quite a bit?

    Are you seriously trying to claim that people of a colored persuasion aren't being unfairly targetted by Police and are far more likely to get incarcerated or more likely to get shot by police than white people. If you are then like the libertarian thread you created unfortuately the historic record goes against you here.


    Edit: How am I posting hate? In no way am I advocating for the mistreatment of any group of individuals, I am only arguing against the narratives and beliefs of the SJWs.


    You have labelled an entire group of people cancer because you dislike what they stand for. How is that not posting hate?

    I would be interested in your reply but wait 2 weeks to post it cause if you create another account its going to get banned along with your main account and then you will have to wait a year before you can appeal and shower us in your gibberish again...
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    posted a message on SJW - Just A Pejoritive
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    Whatever happened to actually providing reason and evidence in a debate? I get it, you find this offensive and it contradicts the narrative that you all have been fed for many years, but you arent(at least you shouldnt be) tricking anybody by calling my beliefs racist and phony without providing any argument to back it up.


    It would actually be nice if you were able to put forward some actual arguements with proof though. Something you spectacturly failed to do in your libertarianism thread and are also failing to do here.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Quote from Highroller »


    On to an actual substantive debate: Obama is pursuing sanctions against Russia. How do we think the transition of power will affect this?


    Obama has attempted to put Trump in a lose/lose situation. Making Trump either face down either his own party or Putin very early on in his presidency.
    Either Trump is going to ignore what his own intelligence people are telling him is what happened during the election and will reinstate the diplomatic missions which is going to upset the Republicans in congress who are disappointed that Obama hasn't taken any more substantial actions against Russia.

    Or he is going to maintain the sanctions which is going to make his plan to ease some of the tensions with Russia a lot harder to do.

    This does presume that the republicans do not turn into 2 faced *****s the instant that Trump takes office and start supporting everything he does.
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    posted a message on Panharmonicon and Fabrication Module
    MTGO is working correctly.

    Fabrication module is not triggering off a creature like Aether Theorist entering the battlefield. It is triggering off the ETB generated by the theorist and other similar creatures resolving and giving you energy counters so there is nothing for the effect from Panharmonicon to apply to.
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    posted a message on Is the future of the Democratic party purely cosmopolitan, being represented mostly by minorities and the professional class?
    Quote from Highroller »

    And we should not make this a debate on mandatory voting. The US has no mandatory voting policy, and even if such a thing were ruled not-unconstitutional (it wouldn't), it is not going to implemented in the near future.


    Just out of Curiousity why would mandatory voting get ruled unconstitutional? Has it been tested before or has no one tried implementing it?
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    posted a message on Quick Caller of the Claw Question
    Whilst it may be represented by the same bit of cardboard each time a game object changes game zones it becomes a completely new version of its self with no memory of what happened to previously.

    If you perform the loop in your opening post 1 million times the game will see 1 million creatures have died so will give you a million bears if you cast the caller of the claw.
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    posted a message on Mind's Desire EDH Storm
    It depends entirely on when you choose to cast the grapeshot.

    The only things Mind's Desire does is exile the top card of your library then have you shuffle it whilst giving you permission to play the cards you exiled until the end of the current turn.

    After that point the decision of when you cast the spells that are revealed is entirely up to you. You can cast the grapeshot as the first spell after mind's desire resolves or cast a couple of different ones first.
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    posted a message on New evidence uncovered by the Washington Post puts scary new spin on the "Fake News" Crisis -- It really was Russia all along
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    Quote from Kahedron »
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    He has his 100% accuracy record to defend.


    Isn't this 100% accuracy record from Wikileaks itself? So Assange's own company is giving him a 100% accuracy record? That seems... questionable.

    Maybe he has lied in the past. But yes you are right, it is Wikileaks with the 100% rating, but if he is lying now it would hurt the Wikileaks reputation. But still need solid evidence to say it was the Russians. Maybe a Russian insider will come out and bring some evidence/witness to the US corporate media...


    Way to not answer the question. Which I will put in simple terms. Is Wikileaks the only organisation that is giving Wikileaks a 100% truthfulness rating or is there a third party that is doing the same thing?


    What has been discredited?


    Don't know don't care. The question wasn't about anything being discredited. Are you going to stop spamming this forum and actually answer it which was: Is Wikileaks the only organisation that is giving Wikileaks a 100% truthfulness rating or is there a third party that is doing the same thing?

    Its a fairly simple question and only needs a yes or a no as an answer.
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    posted a message on [The Crafters] have Masterpieces better than Ornithopters!
    8 Yomakos hugging
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from Typho0nn »


    I'm sure the Jews, Gypsies, Gays and Communists were really greatful for the protection granted to them by the overly complicated German warmachine. The Warmachine that also wasn't being created to defend the sections of the German Population that Hitler liked, rather to agressively dismantle a Peace treaty he didn't like and then in the acquistion of Living Space for the superior Aryan Race.


    Oh yeah you are still to demonstrate conclusively how that caring for the population is the sole or eveb main reason why Nazi Germany Collapsed.


    The warmachine was not there till after Hitler came to power. Communists Russia was allied with the Nazis for a bit, the communists would have been safe in Hitlers rise to power. not sure about the Jews, I think Hitler wrote about them in his book, being part of an international banking conspiracy and starting world war 1. And the Gypsies probably weren't targets as well till after he came to power, they could have been brainwashed by his propaganda and some might have supported him...


    I think you will find that Mein Kampf was written long before Hitler came to power. And actually was written at a time where is was possible that he might never have come to power. Likewise in the same book he expressed his hatred for the Communists and his plan to get living space to the east. The Von Ribbentrop Pact was a very temporary measure solely designed to stop the Russians interfering in Poland.

    The Nazis or National Socialists, got in power because they were promised a prosperous nation. The people were promised 'well-being' and is't how they were able to go to war. It might not be the main reason for the collapse, (which could just be bombing by the allies.) but it was a part of how they got there.

    No the Nazi's got into power because the Weimar Republic got bored of instituting Dictatorial Measures followed by a fresh election every 6 months and they wanted some one that just might be able to make it slightly longer between elections and could easily be controlled. That unfortunately didn't work that well when they picked Hitler to be their puppet figurehead in the Reichstag.

    At this point I should inform you that the NSDAP was a minority party in the Reichstag at the time, it was only after Hitler got given the Chancellorship did they start getting any appreciable power.

    And before you continue with your claim that the Nazi war machine was designed to protect the German People, it wasn't it was built up solely to piss all over the Treaty of Versailles which Hitler loathed. This being the same justification Hitler used in his initial moves which ultimately lead to WW2.


    And I see that you have backtracked over your claim that their socialist policies were the major reason Nazi Germany Collapsed. Good now apply the lesson that arguing with the historical record is a bad thing to the rest of your arguments and come back to us.
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    posted a message on New evidence uncovered by the Washington Post puts scary new spin on the "Fake News" Crisis -- It really was Russia all along
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    He has his 100% accuracy record to defend.


    Isn't this 100% accuracy record from Wikileaks itself? So Assange's own company is giving him a 100% accuracy record? That seems... questionable.

    Maybe he has lied in the past. But yes you are right, it is Wikileaks with the 100% rating, but if he is lying now it would hurt the Wikileaks reputation. But still need solid evidence to say it was the Russians. Maybe a Russian insider will come out and bring some evidence/witness to the US corporate media...


    Way to not answer the question. Which I will put in simple terms. Is Wikileaks the only organisation that is giving Wikileaks a 100% truthfulness rating or is there a third party that is doing the same thing?
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    posted a message on Hexproof/shroud vs area spells
    A spell or ability only targets in MTG if it specifically has the word 'target' written on the card or in the rules back up for it in the case of keyword actions or abilities like enchant and equip.

    Windstorm does not say it targets to it gets around both hexproof and shroud.
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    posted a message on Expreiment Kraj and Caller of the Untamed
    No you will not.

    The ability that creates the tokens is not a traditional ability that uses the name of the object it is on. It specifically calls for the cards to be exiled by a caller of the untamed.

    Whilst you would be able to activate the ability with an Experiment Kraj you will not be able to create the token unless you also have a caller of the untamed in your deck and you exiled cards with it before the game.
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    posted a message on Disscussion about WotC's Spoiler Policy thread
    Quote from Warangel88 »
    Sometimes wizards just want to spoil products to see people reaction to that. It is very hard to plan everything 3 years in front of you. I do not believe in leaks. They are all made by wizards.


    If everything is planned out in advance why did WOTC sue the pants off Rancored Elf?

    Answer it isn't planned out in advance and there are some things that WOTC would dearly like to keep secret and unfortunately assorted people like the aforementioned Elf have managed to get hold of them and disseminated them on various sites, historically this one. And in the case of the Elf and a couple of others they have paid the price in a number of ways in the form of lawsuits and atleast 1 spoiler hunter has had his DCI number suspended for life due to his actions.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from Typho0nn »

    Quote from Kahedron »
    Quote from Typho0nn »


    I was providing examples of how societies that looked after well-being tend to fail, using examples of different scale. (It was a counter argument, not that you should even need to be told how to argue)


    I would love to know what metrics you were using when you worked out that Mao's China and Hilter's Germany cared about their populations.

    And also how you are able to conclusively blame the collapse of Nazi Germany to that aforementioned caring about the German Population.


    Isn't that, the point of communism and socialism to care about the people? -I guess I am being assumptious here. The Nazis did brag about their high employment rate, even though they were doing next to nothing.


    That might be the theory but the History of China, Russia and pretty much every other country that has implemented Communism has not cared about the little people. I'd suggest you take a look at the Great leap Backwards.

    Quote from Typho0nn »

    Building war machines is done to protect the population. It is caring for the population wanting to defend them.


    I'm sure the Jews, Gypsies, Gays and Communists were really greatful for the protection granted to them by the overly complicated German warmachine. The Warmachine that also wasn't being created to defend the sections of the German Population that Hitler liked, rather to agressively dismantle a Peace treaty he didn't like and then in the acquistion of Living Space for the superior Aryan Race.


    Oh yeah you are still to demonstrate conclusively how that caring for the population is the sole or eveb main reason why Nazi Germany Collapsed.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from Typho0nn »


    I was providing examples of how societies that looked after well-being tend to fail, using examples of different scale. (It was a counter argument, not that you should even need to be told how to argue)


    I would love to know what metrics you were using when you worked out that Mao's China and Hilter's Germany cared about their populations.

    And also how you are able to conclusively blame the collapse of Nazi Germany to that aforementioned caring about the German Population.
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    posted a message on Force Of Will and Takebacks
    This is not a situation that a definitive answer can be given as in a sanctioned tournament it is something a judge needs to investigate before continuing.

    In your original post it appears that the opposing player has just chosen to reveal his Force of will and then put it back in his hand as he has not mentioned any targets or made any attempt to pay the costs of the spell. Note unlike in chess there is no obligation to continue with an action once you have started it, for example if you realise that it is not in your best interests to play that spell or the action is illegal.

    For the second part of your question yes how your opponent has been playing during your match will be part of what the judge will be asking both players about when he investigates the situation.
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    posted a message on New evidence uncovered by the Washington Post puts scary new spin on the "Fake News" Crisis -- It really was Russia all along
    First off learn how to quote properly it isn't hard and it makes it easier to work out what you are attempting to refute.


    Quote from Typho0nn »
    People who are accused of wrongdoing tend to deny it.



    "His account cannot be independently verified."

    Not disproof.


    On the contrary it is your own source admitting that he is not sure that it is true. Hence he is concerned that the person who told him hte story is lying to him yet he has been forced to print the story anyway due to editorial pressure.


    Your first 'source'
    "individuals with connections" connections is not proof. I've got heaps of 'connections' and does not mean *****!!! If Australia does bomb Syrian army locations and allow ISIS to make ground, I am connected to that but I am not responsible for that. When I rar, I was going on anti-foreign intervention.

    And are your connections in anyway related to the Austrailian intelligence agencies and willing to tell you classified information? If they aren't they are not in the same league as the sorts of people the CIA, NSA, MI6 etc are going to be talking to. So I'm not entirely sure how relevant this is to proving or disproving the veracity of the Washington posts story.


    Second source
    "believe are spies..." belief is not proof.


    On its own no. When taken in to consideration with the piles and piles of other information that Russians has carried out similar actions in other countries like Georgia and Estonia. And as for them not having official backing of the Russian state to quote Jim Lewis of the Centre of Strategic and International Studies, 'If a hacker in St. Petersburg tried to break into the Kremlin system, that hacker could count the remaining hours on one hand". With that capability we can presume the reason why the Russians were unwilling to provide culprits for other times they have been caught with their citzens hacking into computer systems owned by other nations/ multinational corportations is that there is some significant connection to the state and theya are using the image 'citzen hactivist' as a smokescreen.


    Third 'source' NY times, has been supporting WOMD lies. It is bias. I don't even wanna know what you want to quote from this.... just looks like a bunch of ifs and buts....


    So your argument against this source is that the New York times printed stories that Iraq had WMD? If so can we use it as well as in addition to is well documented support of Hitler, continuing support of Russia and China it also printed similar stories of that the New York Times. And unlike the NYT they are yet to apologise for them.

    However as we have responded directly to your specific source it behoves you to do the same. What specifically do you take issue with about the source.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    Quote from DJK3654 »

    The freer the culture the better they tend to expand and survive and improvements in overall quality of life; USA, Australia, S Korea, Today China. You have no reference or examples... for your 'argument'.

    Australia and China today are more socialist than Nazi Germany was.


    Yes, and we can see the decrease in living standards happening now with this government debt bubble recession soon to be a depression (2018).



    You mean the current reccession that could have been prevented/averted if assorted governments had taken a greater interest in what the fiancial industry was doing and perhaps had imposed a bit more regulation. Whilst the Government Debt bubble might of been shaken/collapsed in some places due it to blame it as the cause is taking blinkered revisionism to an extreme.

    The Decrease in living standards in the UK is also caused by our current government abandoning the social democratic polices of previous governments in favor of their Free Market at all costs ideals. Highlighted by them freezing wages at 2008 levels and gradually selling off government services like the Prison and Probation Services off to the Private Sector. And then still Subsidising the private companies.


    Edit: Also I think World War 2 had a bigger effect on the collapse of Nazi Germany than there supposed Welfare System. You might want to read about it should prove enlightening.
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    posted a message on New evidence uncovered by the Washington Post puts scary new spin on the "Fake News" Crisis -- It really was Russia all along
    Quote from Typho0nn »

    *Daily mail is now "crap"... LOL!*


    I take issue with only one word "now". It always has been and unless it has a radical restructuring it always will be a badly disguised propaganda rag designed to inflame a certain viewpoint. Back in the Thirtys they were unapologetic supporters of the Nazi's both in Germany and at home in Mosley's blackshirts. Not much has changed now with them hanging on the coat tails of both the Chinese and the Russians. They have earned there nickname of the Daily Fail several times over!
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    posted a message on Myriad of Aurelias
    Quote from Yamahako »
    If you're running Mirror Gallery and Parallel Lives, though - would this work?


    No it would not. Even with Parallel lives on the battlefield all the tokens are created by the myriad ability so will get exiled at the end of the current combat phase. Long before you would get the chance to declare them as attackers in the second combat phase created by Aureilia.

    The only thing adding these artifacts does is increase the amount of angels created and make it so all of them will survive the SBA checks that would apply the legend rule it does not get around the triggered ability that exiles the tokens as part of Myriad.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    1. No, business does better because competition increases quality/cost ratio.

    At the expense of having to accept a far smaller share of the market. And why are you expecting them to work against their own self interest. The whole point of a business is to make as much money as possible for its owner for the least expense. If they can do that by stifling competition and then by jacking up their prices they are going to do so. And if there is no one else in the market then the consumer is so out of luck.

    2. Judges in the market would have to prove their trustworthiness and fairness. Again, this all happens through market competition.

    Who are they in competition with? Who says they are qualified? What incentive do I have to recognise your preferred REA over the one I like.

    3.If you raise your price too high, people will buy from someone else.

    What if you have a market where other companies can't enter it cost effectively. Like with water and power companies. Or if there is a finite supply like again with water where there might only be a single source in a territory.

    4. Then someone will patronize a non-cartelized protection agency, besides cartels never last very long...

    De Beers has been running since 1871. Just after the start of the American Civil war. If you are claiming that is not a long time you need rework your definition of very long...

    5. These protection agecies wont want to fight each other because that is expensive, and is bad press for the protection agency that started the battle.

    Who says anything about pitched battles? All I am saying is you quietly take some one out round the back of woodshed and put a couple of bullets in them. Then you amalgamate their gang into yours. Rince and repeat until you have got a super gang and no one else can touch you.

    Another thing that I want to add is this, it is kind of ironic that people are arguing for the state to protect our property rights even though the state violates people's property rights through taxation.

    And again you peddle this bull***** claim that taxation is theft. It isn't, it is payment for services rendered. Even if you did not consent to be charged for them you have used them so need to pay up or suffer the consquences same as if you didn't pay your dues under your wished for libertarian utopia. And as I stated before the means the state will use to gain restitution are a lot nicer that the ones that will be used in a society with no laws or rules.


    The big problem you have through out all of this that you are under the mistaken belief that the only thing stopping humanity from acting alturistically is the nasty horrible goverment getting in the way. Unfortunately I have really bad news for you. The World does not work that way, as a species and individuals we are a bunch of selfish bastards that in the majority only looking out for ourselves and only helping others when it is also of benefit to ourselves to do so. It is governments that largely curb that selfish behavior and channel it in ways that do act for the greater good of society in one form or another.
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    posted a message on How does Alesha, Who Smiles at Death's return power function with Sleeper Agent?
    Your opponent will get a tapped sleeper agent that has been removed from combat.

    Since the control change ability on Sleeper agent does not specify that it untaps the creature it will remain tapped after Alesha's ability brought it in tapped and attacking.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from Highroller »
    For those suggesting that the absence of government would lead to things even remotely being fine or decent, I would suggest looking at the case of Pitcairn Island. Imagine a group of people decided to leave civilization to start their own colony on an island. Imagine how this could go wrong. Then look at Pitcairn Island. Your scenario was probably better.



    The Original European Pitcairn Islanders didn't really set out to have a colony beyond civilisation though. They had just committed mutiny and needed to find the deepest whole they could find so the British Navy wouldn't find them and hang them.

    If it was a planned colonisation one would hope that it was better planned and had a group of people with the skills needed to set up a new life instead of a bunch of desperate men and their unwilling captives.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.

    Edit: One last point that occurred to me, although a variation was pointed out earlier: These REAs have all this motivation to work together for the best of the customer. What is stopping the 3-4 REAs in say Cook County IL from discussing raising prices, because they can? Even if there is a hold out, not hard to just get all the other interested parties to pressure the dissenter.


    Why apply pressure to the dissenter? You control the law enforcement between the rest of you. Surely it is far simpler to just shoot the dissenter and bury him in an unmarked grave?
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from Stairc »
    Quote from DJK3654 »
    Quote from Stairc »
    Okay. And so let's assume anarchy, no government, no police, no judges and no laws. Naturally we still have criminals attacking people and stealing from people. I assume you don't like that, because you seem very opposed to theft. What's your plan for protecting our personal freedoms?

    Private security apparently, given previous posts


    And who decides what this private security is allowed to do? What if a drug lord decides to use his private security to disappear people?


    Whoever pays them and try and hire a bigger better armed security firm are the only answers we have managed to get out of MTGTCG nd have been repeated ad infinitum. Its almost as if he believes the arguements against his positions will magically go away if he sticks his head in the sand long enough.

    Only problem is I don't think it is Sand that he has got his head stuck in.
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    posted a message on Spell queller question
    If you ever cast a spell with x in its mana cost with out paying the mana cost the only legal choice that can be made for x is 0.

    Whilst you can exile sphinx's revelation with spell queller you will not draw any cards or gain any life when it eventually gets cast and resolves off the spell quellers ability.
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    posted a message on Blinking Morphs
    Unless the ability that moves the card out of the Battlefield into another zone and back again specifies otherwise like on the Origins Transform Planeswalkers a facedown creature will always leave and return face up.

    It does not matter if it was morph, Night side DFC or a card turned face down by Ixidron.

    The only other exception is if you use momentary blink or similar on a manifested instant or sorcery. In this case these cards would go to the exile zone and as they can't reenter the battlefield they will stay there.
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    posted a message on Fungus Sliver and Indestructibility
    You are correct an indestructible creature will still be dealt damage so all relevant triggered abilities like on fungus sliver will fire.

    The only thing indestructible does to damage is prevent it from destroying the creature if it is equal to the creatures toughness.
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    posted a message on How to respond to multiple cascade triggers
    Items on the stack only resolve one at a time and only when all players have passed priority without adding anything new to the stack.

    Presuming you have enough mana to start the chain you would be able to return the lotus bloom to your library before each of the cascade triggers resolves.
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    posted a message on help with preconstructed commander, the Breya deck.
    Quote from ToadSoup »
    i want to turn it in to a 3 color commander artifact deck.
    what would be the best way to go about this?
    a few card ideas for replacement, and what color should i remove?
    tell me what you would do. Smile

    i feel like the deck is pretty slow and not aggressive enough. i played it 4 times and feel its lackluster against multiple opponents.. there just isn't enough there Frown


    The best place to ask this sort of question is down in the dedicated forums for each format. The one for EDH/commander is here.

    As to which colour to drop it doesn't look like white adds much to the party so if dropped that added in more red you would be able to add creatures like Atog and co which enable you sacrifice artifacts for fun and profit.
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    posted a message on Countering a loyalty ability?
    All currently printed loyalty abilities are activated abilites, so you can target them with a stifle or similar spell or ability.

    The only difference between them and a regular activated ability is that you can only activate them during your main phase whilst the stack is empty and can only activate 1 loyalty ability per turn.
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    posted a message on Graveyard order
    With cycling the card is discarded as part of the cost of the ability so it will go to the graveyard before the ability comes to resolve. This means it will be under the cards that you put into the graveyard with dredge.

    With Gitaxian probe and other spells the card representing the spell moves to the relevant game zone as the last part of it resolving so would be ontop of any cards that you dredged.
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    posted a message on Gigapede
    If you mean can you discard a black creature to gigapede can you then exile that card to get Ichorid back.

    Then yes you may. Since you control both of the triggers you choose the order in which they go on the stack. If you put the triggered ability from Ichorid on the stack first the triggered ability from gigapede will resolve first and if you discard a card it will got to your hand. Then if the card you discarded was a black creature you can then exile that card from your graveyard when ichorids ability resolves and send the ichorid back to the battlefield.
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    posted a message on The One Word Card Game
    Duck Master Assassin GWUBB
    Tribal Artifact- Assassin
    Crew 1
    Trample, Deathtouch
    When vehicles you own deal damage, you may pay GWUBB. If you don't, sacrifice
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Quote from Mockingbird »

    Second, the Hamilton Electors.
    Remember those talks of faithless electors? Well, now they've dubbed themselves the Hamilton Electors, have legal representation and a private platform to strategize thanks to Law Professor Lawrence Lessig and his friends, and a Texas Republican elector has joined the effort. Also, it looks like the Hamilton Electors have reached a candidate to cast a ballot for instead of Trump or Clinton: Governor John Kasich.


    What I don't understand is why most of the Hamilton Electors are Democrats voting against Hillary. Surely it would be a better plan to try and persuade moderate and disgusted Republicans like the gentleman from Texas to vote for Kaisch whilst retaining your vote for Clinton. Atleast that would then drag Trump down below that magic 270 number he needs and it would be sent to the House of Representatives to decide.
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    posted a message on Shapeshifter in Graveyard
    The changeling ability is what is known as a charecteristic defining ability. Unlike most static abilities on creatures CDA do work in all game zones not just the battlefield.

    You will be able to exile a skeletal changeling from your graveyard to pay for the ability on Scarblade elite.

    Just as a terminology note the costs of abilities (everything before the ':') never target in MTG.
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    posted a message on Dragon Egg & Arcbond
    Presuming the attacking creature does not have trample.

    10 damage will be dealt to the Dragon egg in the relevant comabat damage step. This will cause Arcbond to trigger off.
    SBA will then be checked and Dragon egg will die and then its triggered ability will fire and resolve first.

    Unfortunately it means your baby dragon is going to be on the battlefield when the ability from arcbond comes to resolve so will be dealt 10 damage and will quite promptly die.

    The only change if the attacking creature has trample is that Player B can assign less damage to the Dragon egg but as the minimum amount of damage he can assign to the egg and still damage the defending player/planeswalker is 2 the newly hatched dragon will still be dealt lethal damage from arcbond and will die.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    If you want to pay for that then by all means go ahead. Also I meant Non-Interventionism instead of isolationism. Non-Interventionism and neutrality, that means no alliances, no foreign aid, national Defense instead of national Offense(so purely defensive military), no trade restrictions e.t.c. I don't see how a policy of complete neutrality and universal free trade would anger any country thus reducing the risk of conflict.


    So similar to what the Belgians agreed to in 1839. And how well did that work out for them in 1914 and 1940?
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    posted a message on Type change and summoning sickness
    A permanent will only be summoning sick if it has ETB or changed controllers since the beginning of the most recent turn. If it has changed any of its characteristics it is still the same game object so if it was not summoning sick at the start of the turn you will still be able to attack with it and activate and abilites that cost t.
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    posted a message on Please can someone explain to me the different versions of Magic the gathering
    Quote from dem0ndan »

    What do you mean by 'madness' or 'vehicles'?

    Thanks
    Dan


    They are the names of 2 mechanics, neither of which show up in Battle for Zendikar.

    Madness has shown up in quite a few different sets so the cards are fairly common but Vehicles is one of the mechanics for the newest set to be released. If you see any cards with either of those mechanics or any others there is going to reminder text (text in brackets) on the card to give you an idea how it works.
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    posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    Monopolies- Give me 1 example of a natural monopoly(a monopoly that occured without government intervention) that has occured in the history of the industrialized world.


    How about one that was stopped by modern government instead. Just as enlightening. British Telecom at the end of the 1980s early 1990.

    After about 10 years of being the nationalised controller and sole provider of telecommunications services the then Conservative government decided it wanted to privatise the company and allow other companies to take part in the market but initially failed to put any constraints on BT other than we, Declaration of Interest: I work for BT, had to cover the entire country including the really unprofitable ones like the Highlands and the Islands. The newcommers to the market could just pick and choose the most profitable areas to place there networks with the intention of just piggy backing off the BT owned national grid to connect up their disparate networks.

    We allowed this but charged them retail access to our network a cost that the smaller telecomunications customers could either pass onto their customers, and negate the major reason for using them, or eat the costs until they were forced to go out of business leaving BT once again the only telecommunications provider in the country. Note under your libertarian utopia these and build your own network and hope I don't said boys with axes round to remove your poles are your only options.

    Thankfully for the smaller telecoms companies there was a 4th way go to the Government and tell them that we were in breach of assorted competition laws. The UK government then investigated and found that we were acting in breach of those laws and forced us to set up a mostly independant division of the company that dealt solely with the physical network and granted equal access to it for all the assorted telecommunications companies that we had failed to put out of business.

    Note if that little bit of legislation did not exist there was sod all stopping us from continuing to charge everyone retail price of access to our market and putting everyone else out of business.
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    posted a message on [The Crafters] have Masterpieces better than Ornithopters!
    Quote from Manders »

    Quote from Kahedron »
    Technically 5 is wrong as well.

    The Isle of Man is not part of Britain.

    /geography pedant.
    It's part of Great Britain, so close enough. :p


    Great Britain is just England, Scotland and Wales. Add Northern Ireland into that and you get the UK. The Isle of Man is just a rock sticking up out of the middle of the Irish sea with its own government and laws.
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    posted a message on [The Crafters] have Masterpieces better than Ornithopters!
    Technically 5 is wrong as well.

    The Isle of Man is not part of Britain.

    /geography pedant.
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    posted a message on Practicality of calling a racist a racist in a debate

    Oh, and Nuremberg kinda supports my "execute them" theory.


    Except it doesn't. With the exception of a very small minority every German Citzen was a member of the Nazi party from the crossing guard to the generals and the politicians. By your logica all of them should have been arrested and atleast imprisoned for the crimes committed by their government and armed forces.

    The Nurmeburg Trials were born of an acceptance that a lot of the German armed forces were only gulity of commits normal wartime acts, and only those that were directly responsible for the truely heinous crimes like those directly involved in the Holocaust and assorted mass murders of POWs were charged and court martialed, and even then if there actions could not be proved they were not convicted.

    For the vast majority of the population and the armed forces once it had been confirmed that they were not amoungst the number that had breached the rules of war or commited crimes against humanity they were released to lead as normal a life as they could under the circumstances.

    AS for the differnce between the outcomes the Treaty of versaille is a hell of a lot more than you started this but we will let you remain in existence. It imposed utterly crippling conditions on Germany to the extent that West Germany had only managed to pay off the Principal reparations off in 1980. They made the final payment to the US in 2010. In addition to the purley financial terms there was also some humiliating territorial losses as well with East Prussia, the home of German Unification, hived off Poland and the major Industrial areas turned into a demilitarised zone and fairly regularly invaded by France when the Germans fell behind on there debts.

    All of the above being imposed in a case where unlike with WW2 Germany was not solely responsible for the cause of WW1. That particular honour being shared out pretty evenly amougnst all the major powers of Europe.
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    posted a message on Enchantment VS Hexproof
    Not quite.

    If the creature gets hexproof whilst the aura is on the stack the aura will be countered on resolution as its target is illegal.
    If the aura is already attached it will stay on if the creature then gets hexproof.
    If the creature has hexproof as a static ability your opponent can't target it with the aura in the first place.
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    posted a message on [The Crafters] have Masterpieces better than Ornithopters!
    Quote from MandersW »
    So...I guess I finally joined this site. How goes it, y'all?

    Hi Kank!! Hug

    What Little Girls Are Made Of

    (That's AWESOME that my smilie transferred over)


    I juat saw your post over on that post you made on the Mafia forum. Your old account should be hanging around if you want it back. It would just be under the email address you used to create it way back when. If you don't have access to the email our friendly local tech (Feyd) should be able to merge the accounts for you.
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    posted a message on Copies of creatures and abilities
    The problem is that most players don't understand that "Indestructible" is no longer a characteristic defining effect as it was when it was first introduced. For example, the original rules text for Darksteel Colossus was "Darksteel Colossus is Indestructible" and at that time you could use something like Turn to Frog on it and it would still be Indestructible but this is no longer the case as "Indestructible" is now a normal keyword like "flying" or "trample". Under the current rules if you make something that HAS "Indestructible" lose all abilities it will also lose "Indestructible" (the same is true for older cards that have rules text stating that they are unblockable).


    This is only partially correct. Whilst indestructiblity was a quality of an object the text 'Darksteel Colossus is Indestructible' is an ability and would be removed by turn to frog like any other text written on the card meaning a murder would be able to destroy the formerly idestructible colossus . The issue arose when the indestructibility was granted by an oustide source like the orginal wording of Elspeth, Knight-Errant's ultimate which changed the qualities of the games objects with out giving them any extra abilites. In this case you are correct that even if the creature was turned into a frog it would still retain its indestructible nature.
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    posted a message on Mana Burn and Mana leaving the mana pool through phases.
    Quote from HellboundKsu »
    I never understood mana burn, or how it left the mana pool through the phases.


    Mana burn no longer exists and has not done so since the M10 rules update.

    So: If my opponent plays a Crumbling Vestige, choosing black. This was T1, and then 3 Turns later he plays a swamp, and claims using the black he had from 3 turns earlier along with the mana generated through his swamp to play an Eldrazi Mimic.

    Wouldn't he take damage from the mana burn from the black left in the pool at the end of his 1st Turn? How much damage would he take, and would it stay in the mana pool?


    Unless there is something like upwelling involved all mana regardless of source will drain away at the end of each step or phase. In your example if your opponent had not used the B he generated by the end of the main phase he played crumbling vestige he would have lost it and can't use it later on in the game.

    Even when mana burn did exist it still drained away at the end of each phase the only difference is you lost 1 life per point of mana that drained out of your pool, with out the aforementioned help no player has never been able to keep mana longer than a single phase.
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    posted a message on shared fate and grip of chaos in multiplayer rules question
    There is no interaction between shared fate and grip of chaos.For grip of chaos to be able meddle with a spell or ability it must have the word target somewhere either on the card or on in the comp rules for a keyword like equip, if it does not then there is nothing for grip of chaos to apply to.
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    posted a message on Liberal Bias in the Media
    Quote from Typho0nn »
    Can you please explain how Wikileaks is a bad source instead of passing it off as conspiracy. They get information from whistle blowers that worked in the department. There is talk about Trump giving Julian a Pardon.
    Normally at this point I'd go after the utter lack of factual accountability in any statement that begins "There is talk...", but I don't have to here. Even if it's a blue moon and the unsourced "talk" is actually correct about Trump wanting to pardon Assange, the President of the United States has no power of pardon over the Swedish justice system.


    Well Trump thinks he can make decisions about which diplomats foreign countrys use to fill out there missions and embassies so he might be taking the leader of the free world title a little to seriously.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    So which posts and people need confirmation and which don't?

    Also who are the Backups if Congress says no?
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    posted a message on Brutal Hordechief and Hero of Bladehold
    Just the once. The triggered ability on Brutal hordechief fires when a creature is declared as an attacker. The 2 tokens created by the hero of bladehold are put onto the battlefield attacking after that point so there is nothing for the hordechief to trigger off.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Whilst Trump is aiming to fill his cabinet with assorted ne'erdowells and scoundrels of assorted stripes, how likely are they to actually take up the posts? They have to go through assorted commitees before they are eventually confirmed in office don't they?

    I know the both houses are firmly in control of the Republicans at the moment but with some of the names coming out should we be surprised if they don't have a bumpy ride through the houses/commitees.
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    posted a message on Ashling the Pilgrim and Marchesa, the Black Rose (and other "as it last existed" questions)
    Ashling won't be coming back. The counters will be removed from her whilst she her ability is resolving but she won't actually die until it has compeletly resolved and atleast 1 round of SBA as occured so the game will see her go to the graveyard as a 1/1 with x amount of damage marked on it.

    For graft again the creature will not be coming if you remove the last +1/+1 counter as the game will see the creature as a 0/0 creature with no counters on it then ship it to the graveyard.
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    posted a message on Bouncing A Permanent After The Activation Is Used
    Once any abiity in MTG has been activated or thas triggered it is completely independant of its source. If you want to stop the ability from happening you need to deal with it directly with something like stifle.

    In your examples Griselbrand will still draw the player 7 cards and the game will remember how many counters Aether vial had on it and allow the player to put a creature with a CMC equal to the charge counters that were on the vial.
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    posted a message on US Election Day and results thread 2016
    Quote from Mockingbird »


    Furthermore... the Electoral college kind of gives the face of a Major political party incentive to campaign nationwide and appeal nationwide. Changing the electoral college outcome at this level would amount to trying to silence the enter center of the country. Let's not forget that all of Hillary's efforts to paint Donald Trump as unfit for office and engaging in racism did work... in the states Democrats were already secure. It just turns out her strategy worked in the West, failed in the Midwest, and was kind of meh everywhere else. She did not run a national campaign.


    If this is true why do the candidates concentrate their time and money on about 5 states. None of which are the small states that you are claiming that the electoral college forces candidates to go to,

    Like some other things in the US the electoral college made sense when it was insituted but is no longer as relevant in the modern world.
    Posted in: Debate
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    posted a message on Anthem and damage question
    They will die.

    AS soon as the angel of invention dies the spell quellers will revert back to being 3/3 creatures and with the 3 damage dealt to them by Avacyn when she flipped the next time SBA are checked the game will see that there are 2 creatures with lethal damage and ship them to the gravyard next time SBA are checked.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
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