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The Limited Archetypes of Ixalan
 
Treasure Cruisin' with Monored Burn
  • posted a message on Stack or no?
    Quote from CannibalSamm »
    What happens if I have more than one aid from the cowl in play?


    Aid from the cowl has a triggered ability. These are always cumulative so for each aid you control will trigger at the beginning of your end step if you had a creature leave the battlefield that turn.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Uhh I think wizards has a problem on their hand (Ixalan)
    Quote from scottjhebert »
    Quote from Spaz350 »


    I've been around Magic Spoilers since Masques Block, but for the life of me I can't remember a precedent for something like this. We've had plenty of leaks of the next set to be released, like the NPH Godbook incident, but have we ever had leaks from a future set farther down the road like this? Leaks from two sets away?


    I believe we got the Timeshifted spoiler for Time Spiral almost a year ahead of Time Spiral's release. We didn't know what it was, but we knew that they were not a normal rarity and that they were reprints. So.... there is at least one precedent.


    IIRC this was the Rancorred_elf incident. And the result was they sued the pants off him. Exact details are unknown as everyone involved had to sign an NDA.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Few questions from last nights games
    Quote from Harkainos »

    1. If the Archon is exiled due to Brago, then returns, are the 2 detained creatures still detained?

    Yes the creatures are still detained. Once the ability has gone on the stack it is completely independant of its source. IF your opponent wants to attack with the creature they need to stifle the ability.

    2. Can Player 1 exile Gift and bring it back?

    Yes it is a non-land permanent so you can exile it with Brago

    3. If yes, can Gift be placed on creature exiled and returned at the same time?

    No, they come back at the same time and you can only enchant a creature that is already on the battlefield.

    4. Can player 2 cast Gather after creatures have been exiled to 'snipe' them as they return?
    Yep, as long as your opponent casts gather specimens before the triggered ability resolves they will get any creatures you bounce out with Brago.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Uhh I think wizards has a problem on their hand (Ixalan)
    Quote from Yonekura »

    If it was just found in the dumpster by an non-employee, I am not going to have much pity for wizards. I find the idea semi-humorous, but unlikely.

    Ethically challenged employee more likely.


    The only problem is identifying which Ethically Challenged employee out of hundreds, if not thousands of employees. With out the co-operation of the individual that they know about they aren't going to be able going to be able to narrow it down with out a lot more data points, which is a lot more sheets stolen and released.

    This is why I would be really surprised if the first action WOTC goes to is to bring down the full weight of Federal law if applicable on the person who posted it. If they do not co-operate at the minimum they are going to be suspended from the DCI for life, and if it is in a juristiction that can be reached by WOTC they are going to be hit by a very large civil law suit probably with the understanding that they are going to have criminal charges following up if they don't co-operate.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Uhh I think wizards has a problem on their hand (Ixalan)
    Quote from krishnath »

    Both Theft and Industrial Sabotage are pretty damn easy to get criminal convictions in when there is abundance of evidence. The thief even made the bright decision to post the proof on the internet for all to see.

    Only if we disbelieve the story that the person who posted the sheet purchased it from someone else and then put it on line for all to see. Otherwise all WOTC have is details of where and when it was printed. And with out the co-operation of the individual who posted it that is all they are going to have. Meaning that unless they are willing to transport there printing away from the facility or get the printing company to disipline an entire shift of people who might not have been working when the sheet actually left the facility there is still a gaping hole in their supply chain waiting for something else to drop out of and for someone else to get hold of and be put online. A hole WOTC will still no nothing about


    They guy, when caught (and he will get caught, the genius posted the leaks to both Imgur and Reddit), will be facing down a very hard sentence. The average jail time in the US for theft is 10 years, industrial sabotage 20. The guy could be facing down 30 years of jail time for 15 minutes of internet fame. He is Fubar'ed, he just doesn't know it yet.


    Stop dealing in absolutes when you can't know what WOTC is planning or if you do stop releasing information that should not be released into the wild. The bottom line is none of us know what is going to happen and whilst a heavy sentance is possible, going off history and how WOTC have acted in similar matters in the past, namely the New Phyrexia leak and Rancorred elf, it is far more likely that WOTC is going to attempt to take this through the civil courts first with the hope of co-operation and a very tight NDA so they can close the hole, with criminal charges being the last resort.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Nissa's Defeat
    Quote from Goryo »
    It says "Destroy." Would the Creative Team kill off Nissa? We've visited Zendikar and Kaladesh so far, and we have a new G-R female Planeswalker, so I was thinking they could afford to kill off both Nissa and Chandra. Granted that would be very, very bold of them, but I'm not sure it's impossible.


    Don't tie rules text to flavor. Whilst it is possible that Nissa and any of the other Gatewatch members could die that is more likely to be revealled in one of the storyline columns than that a random card that that is sent out as a preview.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Uhh I think wizards has a problem on their hand (Ixalan)
    Quote from krishnath »

    I think a harsh sentence is a much more effective deterrent for theft and industrial sabotage than a slap on the wrist. I would think most companies would agree.


    Possibly. But far more useful/important at the moment is plugging the gaping hole that is in WOTC's supply chain.

    We can all agree that this is embarassing/worrying for WOTC as this is the second time in a couple of months that a full sheet of foils has been released into the wild. They are very likely to be far more likely to want to get that hole plugged so nothing more falls out early than taking punative action on the individual that put this sheet up on the net. If this individual does not co-operate yeah I could see them attempting to throw the book at them but they are most likely to employ some form of carrot first.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Uhh I think wizards has a problem on their hand (Ixalan)
    Quote from krishnath »

    It is theft and arguably industrial sabotage. The person, when caught will go to not just jail, but actual prison.


    If WOTC can convince some one in a Federal court that it is worth taking on manybe, Again this is also presuming that they don't take jail time/prosecution off the table as an inducement to get who ever stole it/released it to get them help plug the gaping holes in the supply chain this sheet fell out of.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Uhh I think wizards has a problem on their hand (Ixalan)
    Quote from krishnath »
    Someone is going to jail when caught.


    I would be surprised if some one is jailed for this. Though as it is bigger than Rancorred Elf getting sent the playtest stickers for the Time spiral Timeshifted cards, if this person is in a jursiction that WOTC can reach they are going to get sued from here to hell and back again.

    About the only way that they could avoid bankruptcy would be to be very specific about how they got hold of this sheet of foils and if they are the same person responsible for leaking the last page of foils how they got that one.

    WOTC are not going to be happy that they have massive holes somewhere in their supply chain.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Any Free Speech Magic friendly forums?
    Quote from robnixilis »
    Yesterday I attempted to post a speculative thread regarding the storyline of Magic the Gathering and certain occult and or conspiracy theory tie-ins. The post was instantly marked as spam. Does anyone know if there is another forum somewhere (on this site or elsewhere) where people who are knowledgeable about Magic are able to write truly whatever they want? I don't like being censored and I'd like to have an open discussion about some of the ongoing symbolism I see in the game.
    Thanks!


    Yeah, this one. You weren't censored.

    This forum has an automatic spam detector and unfortunately it somes sees genuine posts as being spam and shoves them off into the ether.

    In your case we get a lot of random posts cropping up directing people to assorted 'black magic' sites and services for assorted gains and that might have caused the filter to flag your post as spam. If you politely ask a global mod/ admin might be able to find your post and release it from the filter.
    Posted in: Community Discussion
  • posted a message on Rulings on Mystic Remora and Ethersworn Canonist
    Quote from Maelstrom »
    Hi

    Yesterday we encountered something in my EDH playgroup that we haven't really thought about before.

    1. I had Mystic Remora on the battlefield and another player played Timetwister. What happens? Mystic Remora says "succesfully cast" which means Timetwister would have to resolve before the trigger thus giving me the card (if the opponent doesn't pay 4) after the wheel effect. Or how does it work?


    Successfully cast doea not mean resolve. It just means you go through the process of casting the spell. This has been clarified in the updated wording for the Remora.

    Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell, you may draw a card unless that player pays 4.



    2. An opponent had Ethersworn Canonist on the battlefield. Another opponent plays Jace, the Mind Sculptor, I counter it with Mana Drain. Can the player who cast Jace recounter me? And if he does, doesn't that make Jace fizzle?

    He has already cast his one spell in Jace the game is going to stop him from even starting the process of casting a new spell.


    3. An opponent had Ethersworn Canonist on the battlefield. Another opponent attack with Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder. He now casts Skyshroud Claim cascading into Cyclonic Rift. Is he allowed to choose which one he would like to resolve and thus making the other one fizzle?

    I hope someone can and will answer this. Thanks in advance.

    EDIT: And I dont know what happened with the title.

    Again he has cast his one spell, the game won't let him cast cyclonic rift, it will be randomised with the rest of the cards that were revealed and go on the bottom of his library.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Returning player (after 17 years) - major rules change crashcourse needed
    Most of the game skeleton is the same as back in invasion though there have been a couple of big changes.

    Combat damage no longer uses the stack. It is dealt and assigned as a single game action at the start of each combat damage step. You can't use Mog fanatic to kill an x/2 any more, and if you want to regenerate a creature you have to activate the ability in the declare blockers step. Other than that the Stack is the same as it was. Spells and abilites go on there and resolve in LIFO order.

    There have been a number of terminology changes for zones and actions.
    Zones:
    In play is now the battlefield
    Removed from the Game is now the Exile zone any thing that refered to Remove from the game now says it exiles it.

    Actions
    You play lands, Cast spells and activate abilities. Functionally this doesnn't make much difference it just clears up some of the language used.

    The legendary supertype only cares about permanents that you control, both players can control a Aboshan, Cephalid Emperor. For Planeswalkers there is a similar rule that cares about the subtype where there legendary rule still cares about the name.

    Mana burn does not exist any more.

    That should be the major ones.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Speculation, Wishes, and Hopes for the MMO
    There are two possibilities for playable characters:

    1. Almost all of the preexisting planeswalkers are playable characters. I think that the Marvel MMORPG has a similar system where players choose from preexisting characters. There would be enough playable planeswalkers that you wouldn’t run into duplicates too often. A few planeswalkers might have to be excluded for being much bigger and more powerful than most other planeswalkers (Bolas, Garruk, Karn, Ugin) or being dead (Elspeth, Freyalise, Teferi, Venser, Xenagos). They also might want to reserve some or all antagonistic planeswalkers to be used as bosses. But overall this is a very practical and reasonable choice, albeit a bit uninteresting in my opinion.


    If they did it this way they would be to limited in the number of planeswalkers there are. They are going to have to set this after the mending otherwise the planeswalkers are going to be to powerful, and for all there are a lot of planeswalker cards there aren't that many planeswalkers currently only 35 so there it would be likely that you are likely to run across a lot of people using the same walkers especially if there is a tiering mechanic that limits when you get access to the different planeswalkers which would allow you to put in the slightly more powerful walkers.



    2. You play as a custom-built planeswalker for which you can choose your race, class, and perhaps plane origin. Maybe you even start out your home plane for a while before your spark ignites and you gain access to other planes. This would be perfect given the premise of the game (“you are a planeswalker”) and many players’ tendencies to come up with “fanwalkers” as a result. However, this would be much more difficult to implement. There are a huge number of races and types of magic; it would be almost impossible to put all of them into game, and people would be disappointed by the exclusions. Having different players start out on different worlds would make matters even worse. It isn’t impossible to have races start out in different areas (WoW does it) but it would still be problematic in many ways. I think that this is less likely than them using existing planeswalkers, but it would be really cool if they did it.


    If they were able to transfer the Elder Scrolls levelling mechanics up to a MMORPG it could work. Give the player some choices around Species, world and initial color specialization then allow how the player acts work out the sort of abilities they have with skills centered around both spell casting and the more physical abilities. Whilst we haven't seen it that much in the story there should still be some scope for characters that rely on the more physical skills like close combat, stealth and archery.



    It will be interesting to see how they implement planeswalking. It should make it easy to get between different areas, but I doubt that this will be a complete sandbox game so there will have to be some sort of order that you unlock planes in (the most obvious choice being Zendikar, Innistrad, Kaladesh, Amonkhet, Ixalan). I assume that when you die in combat you will planeswalk to another plane’s hub area. Perhaps one plane will be the main starting plane/hub area, but I would expect that every plane has both areas with enemies and areas without them. If they do use one plane as the starting plane/hub area, I would expect it to be either Dominaria, Ravnica, or Shandalar.


    This seems like a sensible way to manage it and is similar to how Bioware handles a similar issues in Star Wars: The old Republic. Though as this is the company that is behind the Star Trek MMO any one know how they deal with travelling between the various planets? As for a starting plane, if they are forced to use an existng MTG plane rather than creating new ones Ravnica would probably be the better choice as it seems to be the current hub of the multiverse with Dominaria still recovering from the events of Time Spiral and Shandalar not really well known outside of the the long term MTG players.
    Posted in: MTG MMO
  • posted a message on How to make creatures lose indestructible
    Anything that will make a creatures toughness down to 0 will also be sufficient to deal with any indestructible creatures so black gets stuff like infest.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Oblivion Ring
    Quote from RabidVacin »
    My opponent has one of my creatures exiled with Oblivion Ring. If I Naturalize the O-Ring on my turn, does the creature have summoning sickness?


    A creature will be affected by summonin sickness if you have not controlled it since the start of your most recent turn.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
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