I love how people are talking about cackling counterpart when you can just play image for 1 mana less. It also doesn't get killed by bomb at 0. I feel like this version of delver won't be as good until people stop packing as many bombs as they do now.
Lol you can be as snide as you want. I've taken top 4 (3 first place finishes) in all but 1 FNM I've played at since I started playing. I'm clearing doing just fine.
Watch out, we've got a badass over here.
In all seriousness, people need to stop boarding cage against decks that have 1 or 2 cards that use the gy. In order for the cage to be worth a card and not be card disadvantage, your opponent needs to be playing a lot more than a few snappies and moorland haunts in their deck. Obviously the cage is good against something like burning vengeance or self-mill, of such a strategy pops up. But I can't tell you how many times I have smiled everytime I see someone bring in gy hate against me while I'm playing UW Delver.
It seems that everyone on here is running 2 Pikes and 1-2 Swords, so I think I'll run with what I have for now. Both equipment seem pretty good in this deck being that Pike seems like an excellent T2 play when on the play against decks packing counter magic while SoWaP is pretty good against everything else. The only reason I'm not running two SoWaP is because I don't want TOO many 3 drops in my deck.
Ok, but most of the pros are running 2-3 swords at least and 0-2 pikes. Who's lists are you going to draw inspiration from? Random people on the internet, or pros?
Good question to which I hope to provide a good answer. With Thalia looming on the horizon for release to the public shortly, I feel that Swords would increasingly become a liability for us. Lists typically have about only three ways to remover her after she hits the field and, although she is not the end of the world for us, she makes me leary of playing Swords in my deck. She ultimately makes Swords cost 6, which is quite burdensome for this deck in my opinion, and she's maindeckable. She's sure to appear in a lot of Humans decks.
I may consider Swords in the SB, though. Does that sound like a good idea?
So basically, your not playing an amazing card in our deck b/c a card that another deck MAY play and MAY draw will make it costs 1 more. So by your logic we should not play any non-creature spells because a card that we could possibly play against makes it cost 1 more.
Just play him in BW Tokens? There isn't really a way to break him as the above poster said, so he's just going to be a pillar of the format for a while until people start playing more ratchet bomb.
Can't wait to try out the GB ramp deck, seems sweet. I don't know how well it will do against delver, but it has a lot of early sweepers and removal. Most importantly, I like how Woods didnt overload on spot removal and instead made himself better against geist and stalker with his 2 geth's verdicts and 3 black zenith's maindeck. It seems like this deck is just an exact copy of Junya's list from Worlds with the obvious exception that it's playing black instead of red. I mean, the Grave titans replace the Infernos, both decks have sweepers and spot removal, and both have the same Prime Time/ Wolf Run engine that the deck runs off of. I can tell what conley wanted to beat by looking at his board and seeing about 9 cards for the Delver matchup. Looks like Delver decks will have to adapt a little to be less focused on the mirror and humans matchup and more focused on the Wolf Run and control matchups. This means more Negates, Dissipates, Flashfreezes, and less Ratchet Bombs and Marrow Shards.
What do you mean the winning list? Both UW delver decks placed the same.
On topic, I don't like marrow shards because it just doesnt do anything a lot of the time against the top decks. I mean, the only thing it kills that gut shot doesnt is stalker, and most of the time you'll want to kill a blocker with gut shot, which shards can't do. Also, It can kill a delver before it flips, which is incredibly relevant in the mirror.
Divine Offering is definitely better. They wont resolve a curse against us, and if they do, we can just purge or o-ring it. The instant speed is so important in the mirror, and the life gain is relevant too. Noah Koessel is playing at least one maindeck, and I can see why. It's helps break the mirror, which I expect is going to get even more popular after GP Orlando and SCG LA.
I would say people saying curse of death's hold are wrong, but only because that card should be in the main, not the side lol. I like Batterskull, Ratchet Bomb, BSZ, and images to kill geist.
Revoke takes care of swords, pikes, tempered steel (the creatures and the enchantment), and heartless summoning, not to mention the odd artifact that shows up like shrines or pod.
I was going to play UW Delver, but I might play anti-aggro esper control to wreck all the UW aggro decks people will be playing. Recently pros have been advocating the use of curse of death's hold as a 3-4 of in the main against a aggro heavy meta, which is what we have right now. Plus, the mirror is going to be a b*tch to play, so I'd rather not play the most popular deck.
Probally a bunch of uw moorland haunt decks, which means that a lot of savvy pros will play control with a bunch of maindeck curse of death's hold. Wolf run will probally be on the decline, and rdw will probally be fairly unpopular.
If this card finds a home, it will be insane. The depressing part is if a cool deck like if self mill ends up being good with this guy, people will just start packing more gy hate. Still, I really like this card.
If gut shot and wring flesh and the like weren't being played in standard right now, I could see this being good. Otherwise, it just doesnt live without sacking a creature every turn. Even moorland haunt tokens trade with it.
Bw tokens with midnight haunting, intangible virtue, elspeth, and this guy? Hopefully we'll get some more good token producers in dark ascension. Also, esper control is going to be nuts in February. A good walker that's good against aggro is just what esper needed.
Watch out, we've got a badass over here.
In all seriousness, people need to stop boarding cage against decks that have 1 or 2 cards that use the gy. In order for the cage to be worth a card and not be card disadvantage, your opponent needs to be playing a lot more than a few snappies and moorland haunts in their deck. Obviously the cage is good against something like burning vengeance or self-mill, of such a strategy pops up. But I can't tell you how many times I have smiled everytime I see someone bring in gy hate against me while I'm playing UW Delver.
Ok, but most of the pros are running 2-3 swords at least and 0-2 pikes. Who's lists are you going to draw inspiration from? Random people on the internet, or pros?
So basically, your not playing an amazing card in our deck b/c a card that another deck MAY play and MAY draw will make it costs 1 more. So by your logic we should not play any non-creature spells because a card that we could possibly play against makes it cost 1 more.
On topic, I don't like marrow shards because it just doesnt do anything a lot of the time against the top decks. I mean, the only thing it kills that gut shot doesnt is stalker, and most of the time you'll want to kill a blocker with gut shot, which shards can't do. Also, It can kill a delver before it flips, which is incredibly relevant in the mirror.