The only reason they needed substance was because it was night impossible to program it otherwise I believe. They couldn't figure out how to give those enchantments their normal ability, so they created something functionally the same, just easier to program.
Alrighty: @Bluesoul: I apologize, certainly was more offensive then I intended it to be. I feel that my point was valid, but I'm sorry for the way I delivered it.:(
@ AH: Was that overdefensive? I just didn't understand. As for waiting, I kinda forgot that was part of the plan.
@ Az: Yeah, I was questioning Kenji, because of the whole being able to trust Eddy thing, but he is town. Also, agreed, we don't know that its true, but I wouldn't be suprised if one of the two was scum
1. That Which Squeaks-Bandwagoning, attempting to unconfirm Kenji, possible false dilemma in post 304.
Not sure where I bandwagoned, but my main questions are: where did I try to unconfirm Kenji, and I've no idea what a false dilemma is, so mind explaining it?
1) Bluesoul. Read my PBP if you want reasons.
2) Twomz. Scummy, for all the fishing, however I'm of the opinion hes town.
3) Beaker. Pretty much what KCW has been saying
At this point anyone that would be offended by it probably can't get it through their numb skulls that only an idiot would play a gambit risking not only a scumbag, but the godfather as well, on the first day.
@Jobie, no, but I haven't completed a game yet, either. I'm definitely new to the game, but I'm in more than just this one. And sure, I'll agree with your description of me, minus "lying". And if I'm lynched, you'll find out much to your chagrin how completely truthful I was being.
No, it wouldn't neccesarily risk the godfather. You could just be two scum trying to cover each other. Once again, it is extremely unlikely, but it is still possible. As for calling people idiots, I'm not bothered by it, but it doesn't say much for you.
Yes, it means no PBPA. Absolutionis didn't elaborate on it at all. No defense can be scummier than being overdefensive, huhu. If Twomz is scum how can I do anything about that? He still tried to help me to either aid the town or clear himself.
I also think it's hilarious that you say I'm speed lynching when I got 7 votes on me in 16 hours. Good job.
1) Yes... absolutionis didn't elaborate, but I still don't understand what you think that means.
2)Or, Twomz could be scum, helping to clear a fellow scum. Unlikely, yes, but still possible, so I don't count it out.
3) No idea what 7 votes in sixteen hours means to you, but, as I said, my point was that twice during the day you had called for the day to end.
I was referring to Twomz in 288. I'd love to see you get revealed as scum after making such a detailed post. No, I'm not responding in kind. Absolutionis never defended himself as being the SK. I wasn't trying to speed-lynch, but my other game on here took 662 posts before Day 1 ended. I don't see how you can call it speed-lynching 350 posts in anyway. I'm not associated with Twomz, but I don't see why a scumbag would want to clear me.
If you really think I'm still gambiting here, you're an idiot. That's to everyone involved, not just TWS.
1) Alrighty, Twomz makes sense there.
2) Not responding in kind... means not going to do a pbp on me? I'm slightly confused by that
3) Absolutionis of course never defended himself as if he was sk, because that would get him killed. Please explain.
4) Speed lynching may be the wrong term, you twice called for the day to end with the two targets we had.
5)Agreed, I do feel Twomz is likely to be town, and you are associated with him, in that you've been acting like if hes cleared, you're cleared, and if hes scum, you had no idea.
6) Oh, yes, calling people idiots. Defensive, wot?
Be FOS'd, scum! Empty post, though you can take note that he doesn’t vote. Doesn’t wish to appear aggressive?
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Wow...just wow. Better you than me, man.
If you didn't know, Eddie was the Heart of Gold's computer, always sunny-dispositioned and eager to please. It seems like Kenji is confirmed town again.
And yes, it's a joke post. Random voting usually is.
Random mercy-killing vote: Absolutionis. Joke post and all that jazz, I’m not going to spend much time on it, as its already been talked about. Just note he calls his FOS a joke vote.
Quote from bluesoul, 66 »
You're joking, right?
Kenji is confirmed town becasue the computer said so. That's a mod action, by the way. See how you couldn't kill it? Opinion stands.
I had to explain it's a joke vote because people can't seem to understand how early Day 1 goes. I'm not nervous, just agitated.
Unvote Absolutionis, UnFOS Vecna, OMGUS Vote Peregrine Falcon. Day 1 is always random, and you seem to be trying to protect Absolutionis. I don't like it, not this early. Not at all.
Kenij is confirmed, blah de blah. Explanation on explanation for vote… true it can be scummy to overexplain yourself, but once again not too much time on this. And a vote on someone who “tried to protect absolutionis”… the thing is, PF is the one who fosed him for explaining too much, and he made one mention of Absolutionis before, and wasn’t trying to protect him, just agreeing with him. Major scum points here.
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You're ridiculous. Are you serious? I've pointed out once...twice...wait for it...three times now that it was meant to be taken as humor. The "mercy-killing" is because if I had to write poems every time I had to post, I'd like to be killed pretty fast. Note the random before it as well. It's funny. Laugh.
My vote on you stands. You're far too aggressive. My OMGUS vote now has a pretty decent reason. I'm not nervous, not because of you; agitated that you keep missing the point, yes, but I'm not nervous because I've got nothing to hide. What's the problem here?
PS, the FOS @ vecna was a joke. Just pointing that out...for the fourth time.
Yes, it's possible he's bluffing about his post restriction; I've seen it a few times in my short span of playing mafia. But I don't know either way. Absolutionis' restriction is more likely to be faked than his (@Absolutionis: That's not an accusation, just my experience with people bluffing roles. I don't think you're faking it, yet. )
Okay, blah de blah, joke post. All I’ve got to say here is that he’s being far too defensive in my book, for one person accusing him of being scummy. Also, I’ve no experience with faking post restrictions, so I’ve no idea whether that’s actually feasible.
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-rereads Day 1 scene-
Did anyone think to ask Eddie nicely who the scum is? That sounds like a plan to me.
@Eddie: Who here wants me dead? Trying to be funny again.,, despite the trouble it got him in before.
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Are you trying to imply that I was[going after someone for a post restriction]? You're wrong, if you are. I wasn't even "going after him", I was the "gone after".
Gets defensive about a small thing, which doesn’t even apply to him.
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Okay, sorry. I'm kind of defensive right now for some reason.
Tries to pass off his previous defensiveness as something temporary, coming up with an excuse. Scummy in my eyes.
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I pretty much agree with kingcobweb, we're doing a lot of assuming at this point; we pretty much have to. Don't take anything for granted.
Except possibly that Kenji's town. I'm pretty much sold on that.
Contradicts himself in the same post… though we do find out he is right later, so take what you will.
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Wow, I completely missed that. That nails it then, he's town; if he were scum he'd be invincible, but as town he's probably nightkillable. Obvious, I know, but I don't want people going "How are you so sure?! OMGUS!"
OMGUS!!!111 Heh, turns out hes wrong about Kenji here, but that doesn’t matter much. The point here is that he once again tries to cover himself. Overexplanation, and all that.
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And you wonder why I'm defensive. As far as I know, all I was trying to do was add some humor and I've gotten nothing but grief over it. This puts me in kind of a tough situation. Do people really still need clarification that I was joking?
@TWS: All OMGUS votes are rather unfounded. That's blatantly obvious.
@Kenji: You're our most valuable asset right now, why would I be trying to kill you? I was pointing out why I concluded you're town; if you were mafia, the vig (I'm assuming there's at least 1 vig) would have to hit you. But since the mod (Eddie) confirmed you as town, it's not quite as great a boon as it could've been.
Call off your dogs, people. There are better people to go after than me. Like...scum.
Edit for punctuation. Once again, defensive for the whole joke post thing. Adresses me, One thing I didn’t note then was that he says all omgus votes are unfounded, yet he has still tried to stop people thinking theres a founding reason to do it to him. Whole thing about Kenji. Tries to stop people from looking at him, whereas, (at least I think) a townie would be fine being examined, as he has nothing to hide.
Quote from bluesoul, 152 »
Also, he got a mod warning for giant text. CP would've cleared this with fade before the game started. Peregrine Falcon, a nameclaim would be smart right now because I don't think you have a post restriction any more. Not with the mod edit asking you not to.
Okay, wrong about the whole posting restriction thing… (or so I believe), but being wrong isn’t necessarily scummy. Trying to get information from Peregrine for the one reason that he isn’t convinced is scummy. Very much so.
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That's a sort of dilemma, then; we can't verify this with the mod or fade, because that's 1.) Sensitive game-related discussion and 2.) Out-of-game discussion, respectively.
Can’t confirm PFs posting restriction, not much more.
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Double-voting is usually a town trait but far from me to suggest someone's town.
Sorry, still slightly bitter about the whole "hey he defends himself when attacked so he must be scum" thing. Makes point, then tries to be funny, and pass off his behavior as caused by his being prodded.
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Well, Azrael has 2 votes and 3 names. Is that right as well?
Correcting post count
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It wasn't when I posted that so I guess that answers that question.
Correcting post count
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That's a pretty freaking bold statement.
FOS Twomz
Fos Twomz for whole power roles won’t matter thing, fine by me.
Quote from bluesoul, 253 »
I seriously doubt he'll be able to answer that 2nd one. Leave Eddie alone, guys.
Tries to stop the town from getting information... Seems bad, but the info may have hurt the town.
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Yup, I follow you. Kind of serious, really. Anyone counterclaiming?
Twomz’s name claim… not sure why its so serious. Also, immediately asks about counterclaims… though that may be fine.
Quote from bluesoul,272 »
This game really does span all of his works. The more Adams you've read, teh farther ahead in the game you are.
That said, the Dirk Gently books are the only ones I haven't read, minus The Salmon of Doubt, so that's a slight disadvantage for me.
EBWODP: Sure, I think we're all just trying to be clever. He's claimed Slartibartfast.
Random chatter on flavor, gives Twomz’s name.
Quote from bluesoul, 279 »
Well, I'm sorry I "ruined your fun" but there's no reason for some of us to know your nameclaim and some not to. Especially when asked. I couldn't very well keep it a secret and not look like scum, right?
Defensive against Twomz… points out the fact that hes been trying not to look like scum, which to me, screams of being scum. Townies naturally, scums are the ones trying to appear unagressive and other such good traits.
Quote from bluesoul, 282 »
The above smilie is a winner.
Slartibartfast would almost have to be a town role, correct? I can't see any spin on it where it wouldn't be.
Sarnath'd.
Any scum that's serious about winning should be studying the subject matter so I'd have to disagree. That'll really just unearth lazy townies.
Then again, I didn't sign up for Romance of the Three Kingdoms mafia, because...I'm lazy.
Random humor, talks about Twomz being town, speculates about scum studying the matter…. Could be he knows as hes told them all to.
Quote from bluesoul, 288 »
We can't lynch him this early, guys. Especially since nobody's called his claim, which would almost have to be town. Lynching an annoying poster gets us nowhere. Ignore it. Proceed.
Not quite sure what he means by this, as I’ve no idea who hes talking about(Twomz or Holmes). Scummy if hes trying to protect holmes, less so if Twomz.
Quote from bluesoul, 293 »
Nuh uh, you can't rhyme rest with rest. That's against the rules.
Joking again. Not sure how he knows whats against the rules, though admittedly poems mostly don’t rhyme words against themselves.
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Could he be a vogon poet? Vogons are scum, right?
Honestly, I've been racking my brain trying to think of any other role that would entail his post restriction and I come up empty. Anyone read the other Adams books that could enlighten me/us?
Speculation, and more jokes about unattainable knowledge.
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SK sounds like a good call, "once per night you may trap someone and read them poetry."
Anyone see anything wrong with that?
Trying to put Sk on Absolutionis, through total speculation.
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Good posting. The only thing I argue with is 271.
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I don't know who he's talking about. So for all I know, it might be me.
I get it's not a scummy name.
Is there any reason not to say it? Since everyone else seems to know already? Why even hint like that. It's annoying.
He was just getting aggravated at being left in the dark. Anyone could've acted the same way (I'd be the same way in ROTK mafia, honestly) so I can't really call it a scummy post, and by association can't call 273 ("Okay, that's not me.") scummy either.
Just my two cents, but again, good post.
Can we get a vote count, please? There's decisions to be made.
Protects holmes. Not sure if we can find anything by association here. States the choice needs to be made now, trying to get someone lynched fast?
Quote from bluesoul,346 »
Too bad indeed.
Unvote, vote Twomz. WIFOMing for the lose.
Votes for Twomz for breadcrumbing, something I don’t believe is necessarily scummy. WIFOM isn’t something that’s necessarily voted for. That’s why its WIFOM.
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[Vecna says if holmes is scum hes very bad at it]Or very good at it. Sup wine?
I think we've gotten about as much info as we're going to get; it's worth considering lynching one or the other and being done with it.
Trying to speed lynch again. Scummy indeed.
Quote from bluesoul, 356 »
Ugh. So now what? The top 2 vote-getters are town and likely town.
Holmes and Twomz were the two people with the most. Holmes has just been mason claimed with Jobie. However, for one reason or another suddenly bluesoul’s opinion on Twomz changes, with no significant developments. Scummy.
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A cop inspection of one or the other still might be for the best. That's a super easy way for 2 scum to fly under the radar for a while, and I never underestimate human stupidity.
Since you claimed mason, a name claim might be good. I don't see the Adams flavor here.
Good plan for confirming Jobie/Holmes. Once again fishing for a nameclaim though.
Quote from bluesoul, 362 »
EBWODP
@Jobie: That's pretty good. Now you've both got bulls-eyes on you instead of just letting Holmes claim. Nice.
Now acts upset with Jobie. Confirmed townies are good, even if they’re targets… though I do agree a claim should have waited a bit, but the result would have been the same, as you don’t believe a mason claim unless it can be backed up. Over hostile.
Quote from bluesoul, 364 »
Twice in two posts you've said that. [Az: I still disagree with them, just because]
FoS Azrael because I've got a hunch, should that turn out to be a post restriction. Just the paranoid THHGTTG nerd in me for now.
Prods Az for having a difference in opinion. Also, I don’t believe Az ever mentioned anything about a post restriction to this point.
Quote from bluesoul, 367 »
Good lord the posts are flying left and right. I was Sarnath'd with the previous post. What more damage could a name claim do? We've already got 2 claimed masons so let's see if the nameclaim holds water.
I'm being aggressive because I don't like seeing this much information revealed this early. Aggressive, not hostile. There's a difference. No hostility, just aggravation. (Seems like I get aggravated with this one quite a bit.)
I'm not so great a target, but I'm afraid I've dug myself into a hole here. I do look rather scummy, I've got to admit; all I can offer for now is that you take me at my word. Laughable in mafia, I know, but there are more strong leads out there.
Az accuses him of switching targets
No, too busy explaining here. Posted while posting. And you ignored the FoS completely. I don't really want to argue this any further. You've gone a few posts without doing it as well so that punches holes in the post restriction.
You did, though.
Az says he thinks hes a good target
Didn't you vig 4 townies in Random Mafia 2? Because you thought they were excellent targets?
Admits he looks scummy, tries to tell us to trust him. Attacks Az’s post restriction, which I don’t believe he said he has, and finally attacks Az’s playskill.
Quote from bluesoul, 369 »
I didn't think of that. I'll accept it for now (it is a pretty ballsy move).
Drops nameclaim after Chimp says that we can catch falseclaimers with it. Also note Chimp’s post, 370. Bluesoul says he doesn’t like seing info revealed this early in the same post as seeking a nameclaim.
Quote from bluesoul, 372 »
Uh, yeah. File it under "cat's out of the bag". And I already conceded that you're right, a name claim now would be bad.
Dismisses Az’s analysis of his post and tries to diver the whole nameclaim business.
Quote from bluesoul, 374 »
EBWODP: Yes, Azrael. I know. Counterclaims. Third time now I'm admitting I goofed.
And I wouldn't just tell you to trust me without a good reason. Give me a little more credit than that. And one word PBPAs of posts are bad, mkay? Who's being aggressive/hostile now?
@Jobie: Fourth time. "My bad."
I'll nameclaim at 8 votes. You're wasting your time, though.
Says he was wrong about the claims. Also, says that he wouldn’t tell us to trust him without good reason… isn’t being scum a good reason? Promise to nameclaim.
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I'm also inclined to believe you're scum in spite of your claim. You put another vote on me just to get information.
Attacking Twomz again, reason is somewhat acceptable, though trying to get info on someone as scummy as him isn’t something I’m against.
Quote from bluesoul, 387 »
You say I'm a better choice than someone that's trying to out the cop. This is ridiculous. I can't be "just right" to everyone.
Attacking Twomz again, getting overly defensive.
Quote from bluesoul, 394 »
Uh. Who really does want the Heart of Gold? Zaphod just kinda...stole it. I guess the mice could be viewed as scummy (and there were two, and we've got two claimed masons that attacked me for suggesting a cop inspection, huhu), but they didn't want to steal it, and, uh, the Vogons are mean, but they didn't really want it either. Nobody really wanted it, it served to advance the story. Who wants an infinitely improbable literary device?
Moral: The nameclaims will likely mean nothing.
That said, I'm still in favor of the cop inspecting either Holmes or Jobie; you may not agree with me but you can see why I support it. (Probability says the cop will investigate a townie on night 1 anyway, so we might as well safely remove the possibility of trading a cop for 2 scumbags.)
I still think Twomz is the best bet for the lynch, though. Either scum or detrimental town. Stirring up that kind of dissension makes lots of innocent townies look scummy. He's caused more information to be released on Day 1 than any of us needed to reveal. To be blunt, we can probably deal.
Speculation on everyone, whom the masons might be. Changes his opinion about the nameclaims again, and keeps going after Twomz even after saying hes probably town.
Quote from bluesoul, 403 »
No, you're not going to be able to counter-claim, for the very simple reason that I'm town, and, if played correctly, far more useful than a cop or doc.
I'll wait on another vote though.
Breadcrumbing about his ability, playing himself as a power role.
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EBWODP: Yes, I'll full-claim at 8. I'm going to full-claim before the end of the day anyway so I might as well do it for a good reason. The more I thought about my role last night the more I realized c_p made it overpowered.
Says hes going to full claim for one reason or another. Not sure how hes overpowered.
Quote from bluesoul, 407 »
Seriously, it's a question of how to correctly play the role. Regardless of the votes on me, I have to fullclaim on Day 1 for the role to be effective at all. Trust me, it's good. I'm okay with one more vote, but I don't want to be speed-lynched.
Says he needs to fullclaim for his role to be effective, which makes no sense based his actual claim.
Quote from bluesoul, 412 »
Sup vote 8?
Okay, I'm Wonko the Sane. Obviously the only sane man in the universe. My role, for lack of a better term, is a one-shot, self-protecting, role-blocker. I have a fishbowl full of wheat germ, and whenever anyone targets me, I can choose to throw my wheat germ at them, causing them to get disgusted and leave.
This wouldn't be as good a role if I didn't learn the targeters identity in the process. If you're not catching on, this means that as long as nobody targets me, the first one to target me has to be mafia, trying to nightkill me.
Here's the catch. It's only a one-time use, and I will block the very first person to target me, so what I'm trying to say is cop, don't inspect me; doc, don't protect me; vig, don't fire at me. Any pro-town player, don't target me unless you want to be responsible for costing the town a confirmed scumbag.
My ability also works in the day, in the event of a day vig/assassin.
How can you trust me? Simple. Wait for someone to target me. I'll say who it was, and we can lynch them. If they're town, lynch me. If they're scum, I'm confirmed town. This is why I think it's possibly more powerful than the cop because if it's played right it's guaranteed to either catch scum or get a townie to endgame, and it's a doc role with cop information thrown in. Definitely a shade overpowered.
Feel free to doubt me, but I'm in a situation where I need to be completely truthful. I can help the town in a way that no other role I've played can: I can catch a scumbag the easy way.
Any questions?
Claims. Roar, I’m untargetable! Don’t believe me! You’ll die! I don’t know about the flavor “causing them to get disqusted and leave” doesn’t ring right with me. The thing is, with this claim it means that noone will ever target him. The scum are never going to go after him, if hes town, and all the townie roles will leave him alone. I highly doubt he didn’t realize this. His role in no way is necessarily townie oriented.
Quote from bluesoul, 415 »
Oh, okay, I see what your role is then. I don't know how well that fits the flavor of Slartibartfast but whatever.
Comment on Twomz’s role
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EBWODP: It's powerful if I can get some cooperation up in here.
Yes, cooperation that involves everyone leaving you alone.
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No, he's saying when I use my ability he'll know it. That's his ability.
Simply being wrong about what Twomz’s role entails.
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Jobie's right, I decide when to use it. I'm going to use it the very first time someone targets me though.
Tries to enforce the whole “Full claiming makes it work” by his choice.
Quote from bluesoul, 423 »
That's it. Afterwards I've just got a fishbowl, and when I die I choose who to give it to. As it stands I'm giving it to Kenji as he's the only confirmed one here.
More role claiming, and no explanation of what it means.
Quote from bluesoul, 428 »
Quote: Originally Posted by Azrael Yup. How long did it take you to come up with that one?
It actually took 4 PMs between myself and c_p, the first with the basic role info, the second that said I'm town and my WC was I win when all the scum are dead, the third that elaborated on the role (only one shot, each person that gets the fishbowl will get some kind of ability from it, like info), and the fourth that confirmed it works during the day as well. Quote: Originally Posted by Azrael It's a perfect scum claim. It protects you from investigation, it discourages verification via vigging, and it makes the town hesistant to waste a "power role".
True. But it's not an unbelievable town role either, there are far more powerful ones, especially when nobody's willing to cooperate with me here. Quote: Originally Posted by Azrael Sounds a tad too convenient, to me. Wouldn't you agree?
Apparently not. Quote: Originally Posted by Azrael Right now, I'm simply trying to debate whether we want to just lynch you, or attempt verification by a vig firing on you sometime over the next three days (tonight or tomorrow night or the night after that, decided via random.org). If you can name the identity of the vig, or if you show up dead, then we'd have some reason to trust you.
Are you an idiot or something? You've got better sense than that, I can confirm a scumbag, don't make me waste that potential because I'm blocking the first person, regardless. Quote: Originally Posted by Azrael Problem is, you could be a genuine mafia GF role, with the ability to identify roles that target you. Then we would have outed the vig for no reason, and let you survive longer then you ought, or risked "confirming you" by a false test. And that would be waste of our time and resources.
I don't identify roles, only names. And you'd be wasting my time and resources as well. Quote: Originally Posted by Azrael I'd like opinions from the town on what they'd prefer to do with you.
You already seem fairly sure what to do with me. Is nobody else finding him suspicious? Quote: Originally Posted by Azrael Sarnathed. If he can voluntarily control his ability, there's a possibility we could target him with something non-lethal.
So you register whenever anyone targets you?
Yes. Just the name, not the role, hence why I need complete cooperation. Quote: Originally Posted by Azrael Do we have any folks who have outed themselves as having non-lethal nighttime targeting abilities?
No no no no no. That'll defeat the purpose, because if someone does it tonight, the mafia will also strike tonight and put it to a 50:50 chance or worse if a cop or someone tries to get in on it too.
We've got a lot of potential in this role. Don't make me waste it. Like I said, the first person that targets me I definitely want to see lynched (and Twomz can apparently confirm my ability by that time), so that would completely waste the vig. Quote: Originally Posted by kingcobweb Emphasis mine.
Yeah? So? I'm still going to block the very first attempt because it's the only correct way to play the role. Quote: Originally Posted by Chimpanzee If I am interpreting Twomz right we can go into tonight and have Twomz target bluesoul, having bluesoul not block Twomz but block anyone else who targets him. That way Twomz use his ability to verify bluesoul and possibly clear two people at once.
I think his role is during the night he'll get names of everyone that made a night choice. I'll wait for clarification from him. If not this is the only other acceptable choice to me. Also, I'm guessing my second role is simply the ability to pass the fishbowl on. That's everything in my role.
Gets overly defensive, still refuses to admit that by claiming his ability it uses all its use, except for everyone leaving his role.
Quote from bluesoul, 430 »
All I had was a win condition. I guess you could view the roleblock and passing the fishbowl on as two separate role abilities, but I've given as much information as I can without risking a Wrath of Mod.
No idea what this means, other than hes breadcrumbing again.
Quote from bluesoul, 433 »
Originally Posted by dragyn_mage @bluesoul- no, the only best way to use your ability if you are a townie is to keep quiet and stay under the radar.
Well that idea kind of went to hell, didn't it? It's not my fault you guys kept wagonning me without a good reason. You reap what you sow.
Let me make this perfectly clear: regardless of how Day 1 went I was going to give a full claim. It's the only way to ensure that either I catch a scumbag or I survive to endgame. Quote: Originally Posted by Kenji Please do not think of yourself so highly... I strongly doubt that the mafia are going to target you tonight, there are some better choices...
I honestly don't know how I'd react to my claim if I were scum. I'd probably leave it alone because I wouldn't want to risk outting myself. Quote: Originally Posted by Kenji Saying this does not and never will help your case... whenever you mention "supposed" talks with the mod they are always "supposed"... You nor the mod, nor anyone else can verify if it actually did take 4 PMs or if you're making all of it up.
I'm being nothing more or less than completely truthful here. Azrael asked so I answered. Don't criticize me for being truthful.
Actually, if Twomz inspects me or whatever he does, and I choose not to block him, I'm not sure what that'll return, but it's still a night choice (a choice not to block) so maybe that'll confirm me as well. Waiting on clarification from Twomz.
Supposedly he was going to give a full claim, even though twice before he was trying to get the day to end fast. Says that trying to stay under the radar wouldn’t have worked at all… the thing is, you could confirm a townie, catching scum isn’t the only thing you’re necessarily good for.
Quote from bluesoul, 436 »
Quote: Originally Posted by Kenji You have just said that if you were scum you would leave such a role alone, if this is how you would react then why-oh-why did you decide to full claim on day 1 regardless of what happened? By being left alone by the mafia you do not get to use your ability and therefore can not prove yourself and therefore end up in the situation you are in now. I don't understand. Please clarify what you're asking. I think I see what you're saying, and the whole thing will probably hinge on whether Twomz or you can target me.
The town has no reason to think I'm scum, especially pending an explanation from Twomz. Quote: Originally Posted by Kenji There is no need to survive to the endgame... the Town still wins even if you die [in fact it needs to kill you if you are scum as I think you are], unless however you role says that you need to survive till the endgame to win... now to me, that doesn't sound like the sort of person you want to keep around... seeing how they don't sound like they are town....
Very true. My WC is that I win when all scum are dead, not that I need to survive to the end. Surviving to endgame is just a possible bonus of the role, because scum wouldn't want to risk the nightkill being roleblocked and their identity revealed.
And yeah, I kinda snapped at d_m but he's telling me to lay low way after it makes any sense. Hindsight is 20/20 and, in this scenario, a complete waste of time. As it stands now, it has to be a defense instead of the
helpful tool I planned on it being.
I don't get it. Why are you against townies surviving to the end? What the **** do I not understand here? If something gets a townie to endgame what's so wrong with it? Says that we have no reason to think hes scummy, doesn’t realize that him surviving to the endgame isn’t absolutely necessary.
Quote from bluesoul, 443 »
Quote: Originally Posted by kingcobweb However, once again, I believe blue's claim, and I would chalk his scumminess up to, no offense bluesoul, not being all that good. Fair enough, I'm new to all this. I haven't completed a game yet, so I'm bound to make mistakes. Quote: Originally Posted by Abandon Hope Seems very made up to me. Especially the conversation between him and carrion pidgeons. Sorry, but I'm not getting modkilled to satisfy your skepticality. Quote: Originally Posted by Twomz I still need to check to see if what i'm thinking of is targeting or not. If it isn't, great. If it is, then i won't do it right now, unless Bluesoul wants me too (don't worry, it won't effect you unless you're lying .) I'm okay with it, but not now. I've got a job interview I'm headed to, so real life beckons. When I get back I'll talk about it though.
Tries to pass off his behavior, which he says wasn’t scummy in the last post, as noobish. Acts like AH is trying to get him modkills.
Quote from bluesoul, 455 »
Okay back, I've got another interview on Thursday. Quote: Originally Posted by Holmes Bluesoul: what if 2 people target you? You get a list of "names" and have to pick one? You "block" both? You block one, but the other one affects you? I get a list of names and I have to pick one, correct. I block one, and the other one affects me. If Twomz wants to do whatever he's doing now's a good time to do it. Quote: Originally Posted by Holmes How could that work in the day? The Mod. tells you you've been targeted and then, you decide if you want to react, and then the Mod. tells you who it was? This is what I asked c_p in the 4th message, because it occured to me there might be day vigs or something else. He told me it works the same during the day. Quote: Originally Posted by Holmes I don't understand how that works. And yes it could be scummy. Particularly with you basically threatening to lynch anyone who tries to confirm it. I'm just trying to take advantage of a good thing. It's the only way I know of to play the role. Explanation of roles, says that hes trying to make his role the most effective, which I believe hes failed at.
Quote from bluesoul, 457 »
That's about as close as it's gonna get. Bear in mind if you target me c_p's gonna have to get around to reading it and letting me know so don't jump all over me if he's not around at first.
Confirms Twomz’s pm, Asks people to wait, not much more.
Quote from bluesoul, 467 »
Thank you. And if a cop still feels the need to investigate, investigate Twomz and not myself, and you'll (hopefully, sheesh) get a town result and clear me by association. On night 1 I couldn't see a better play for the cop to clear 2 townies instead of taking a shot in the dark and probably getting a townie anyway.
Claims that if Twomz is cleared, he is, which is untrue. Changes from his investigate the masons idea.
Quote from bluesoul. 471 »
I don't really want this to devolve into math. Investigating Twomz would be a good play because he can confirm roles and set up a game-breaking situation.
I'm not in favor of mass-claims gaming the system but if that's all it takes to win then so be it.
Tries to get the cop off of him, No idea what he meant of by the “don’t really want this to devolve into math”.
Quote from bluesoul, 481 »
That would be the most retarded gambit ever on day 1, and easily disproven; investigate Twomz. If he's town, he's got no reason to lie and clear me. If he's scum, I don't know what he's doing clearing me aside from clearing himself.
Says gambit would be dumb for them to try, once again says he’ll be cleared if Twomz is town.
Quote from bluesoul, 485 »
I didn't say that I would kill them, I said I'd block them and the town should kill them.
Not much here.
Quote from bluesoul, 487 »
Quote: Originally Posted by avabob If he was godfather, and someone investigated him, attempting to clear both him and bluesoul, he would come back as innocent. * bluesoul shrugs
If we're being that paranoid we can't proceed in the game. Do you really think you've caught the Godfather and a scumbag on day 1? Please, don't kid yourself. Accept it, we're both town, and move on.* Quote: Originally Posted by avabob And please, let's avoid a massclaim. That would be very bad.
Maybe. It's something to keep in mind though, with Twomz's role.
*I can't be held responsible if Twomz is in fact a scumbag, but I don't see his information role being a scum one.
Tries to dismiss someone speculating that he might be scum, aggressively defending himself again. Then tries to disassociate himself with Twomz unlike before.
Quote from bluesoul, 489 »
I actually think it's turning out rather well. I can catch one scumbag, and we can use Twomz's role to test claims for truthery.
Still acts like his role will do something useful, despite the scum (if hes town) who are going to avoid him.
Quote from bluesoul, 493 »
I'm about as cleared as I can get until someone targets me, which would be ideal if it were a scumbag and not a pro-town role. Afterwards I'll be fine with a cop investigation or whatever, but this is a very good chance to get a free scumbag.
Trust me for now. If a townie targets me, lynch me next, but there's nothing I can do; I can't control other people's actions, only advise the best way to help the town.
Acts as if hes cleared, and more trying to avoid the town from investigating him.
The end!
Alrighty, there you go… basically, bluesoul has been extremely scummy, and he is in no way cleared as town. My vote stands.
Anyone mind telling me how Bluesoul is cleared if holmes is telling the truth? I thought Twomz said he couldn't tell alignment... so am I missing something?
I think everything has already been covered, champ. This doesn't help you at all either.
Not most likely to be scum, scummy. I think hes scum, but I'll draw attention to his scumminess, as theres always the chance he isn't.
@ Az: Yeah, I was questioning Kenji, because of the whole being able to trust Eddy thing, but he is town. Also, agreed, we don't know that its true, but I wouldn't be suprised if one of the two was scum
Not sure where I bandwagoned, but my main questions are: where did I try to unconfirm Kenji, and I've no idea what a false dilemma is, so mind explaining it?
2) Twomz. Scummy, for all the fishing, however I'm of the opinion hes town.
3) Beaker. Pretty much what KCW has been saying
No, it wouldn't neccesarily risk the godfather. You could just be two scum trying to cover each other. Once again, it is extremely unlikely, but it is still possible. As for calling people idiots, I'm not bothered by it, but it doesn't say much for you.
@AH: You might have to put up with another, if I'm ever convinced someone is scum and I'm bored.
1) Yes... absolutionis didn't elaborate, but I still don't understand what you think that means.
2)Or, Twomz could be scum, helping to clear a fellow scum. Unlikely, yes, but still possible, so I don't count it out.
3) No idea what 7 votes in sixteen hours means to you, but, as I said, my point was that twice during the day you had called for the day to end.
1) Alrighty, Twomz makes sense there.
2) Not responding in kind... means not going to do a pbp on me? I'm slightly confused by that
3) Absolutionis of course never defended himself as if he was sk, because that would get him killed. Please explain.
4) Speed lynching may be the wrong term, you twice called for the day to end with the two targets we had.
5)Agreed, I do feel Twomz is likely to be town, and you are associated with him, in that you've been acting like if hes cleared, you're cleared, and if hes scum, you had no idea.
6) Oh, yes, calling people idiots. Defensive, wot?
Be FOS'd, scum!
Empty post, though you can take note that he doesn’t vote. Doesn’t wish to appear aggressive?
If you didn't know, Eddie was the Heart of Gold's computer, always sunny-dispositioned and eager to please. It seems like Kenji is confirmed town again.
And yes, it's a joke post. Random voting usually is.
Random mercy-killing vote: Absolutionis.
Joke post and all that jazz, I’m not going to spend much time on it, as its already been talked about. Just note he calls his FOS a joke vote.
Kenji is confirmed town becasue the computer said so. That's a mod action, by the way. See how you couldn't kill it? Opinion stands.
I had to explain it's a joke vote because people can't seem to understand how early Day 1 goes. I'm not nervous, just agitated.
Unvote Absolutionis, UnFOS Vecna, OMGUS Vote Peregrine Falcon. Day 1 is always random, and you seem to be trying to protect Absolutionis. I don't like it, not this early. Not at all.
Kenij is confirmed, blah de blah. Explanation on explanation for vote… true it can be scummy to overexplain yourself, but once again not too much time on this. And a vote on someone who “tried to protect absolutionis”… the thing is, PF is the one who fosed him for explaining too much, and he made one mention of Absolutionis before, and wasn’t trying to protect him, just agreeing with him. Major scum points here.
My vote on you stands. You're far too aggressive. My OMGUS vote now has a pretty decent reason. I'm not nervous, not because of you; agitated that you keep missing the point, yes, but I'm not nervous because I've got nothing to hide. What's the problem here?
PS, the FOS @ vecna was a joke. Just pointing that out...for the fourth time.
Yes, it's possible he's bluffing about his post restriction; I've seen it a few times in my short span of playing mafia. But I don't know either way. Absolutionis' restriction is more likely to be faked than his (@Absolutionis: That's not an accusation, just my experience with people bluffing roles. I don't think you're faking it, yet. )
Okay, blah de blah, joke post. All I’ve got to say here is that he’s being far too defensive in my book, for one person accusing him of being scummy. Also, I’ve no experience with faking post restrictions, so I’ve no idea whether that’s actually feasible.
Did anyone think to ask Eddie nicely who the scum is? That sounds like a plan to me.
@Eddie: Who here wants me dead?
Trying to be funny again.,, despite the trouble it got him in before.
Gets defensive about a small thing, which doesn’t even apply to him.
Tries to pass off his previous defensiveness as something temporary, coming up with an excuse. Scummy in my eyes.
Except possibly that Kenji's town. I'm pretty much sold on that.
Contradicts himself in the same post… though we do find out he is right later, so take what you will.
OMGUS!!!111 Heh, turns out hes wrong about Kenji here, but that doesn’t matter much. The point here is that he once again tries to cover himself. Overexplanation, and all that.
@TWS: All OMGUS votes are rather unfounded. That's blatantly obvious.
@Kenji: You're our most valuable asset right now, why would I be trying to kill you? I was pointing out why I concluded you're town; if you were mafia, the vig (I'm assuming there's at least 1 vig) would have to hit you. But since the mod (Eddie) confirmed you as town, it's not quite as great a boon as it could've been.
Call off your dogs, people. There are better people to go after than me. Like...scum.
Edit for punctuation.
Once again, defensive for the whole joke post thing. Adresses me, One thing I didn’t note then was that he says all omgus votes are unfounded, yet he has still tried to stop people thinking theres a founding reason to do it to him. Whole thing about Kenji. Tries to stop people from looking at him, whereas, (at least I think) a townie would be fine being examined, as he has nothing to hide.
Okay, wrong about the whole posting restriction thing… (or so I believe), but being wrong isn’t necessarily scummy. Trying to get information from Peregrine for the one reason that he isn’t convinced is scummy. Very much so.
Can’t confirm PFs posting restriction, not much more.
Sorry, still slightly bitter about the whole "hey he defends himself when attacked so he must be scum" thing.
Makes point, then tries to be funny, and pass off his behavior as caused by his being prodded.
Correcting post count
Correcting post count
FOS Twomz
Fos Twomz for whole power roles won’t matter thing, fine by me.
Tries to stop the town from getting information... Seems bad, but the info may have hurt the town.
Twomz’s name claim… not sure why its so serious. Also, immediately asks about counterclaims… though that may be fine.
That said, the Dirk Gently books are the only ones I haven't read, minus The Salmon of Doubt, so that's a slight disadvantage for me.
EBWODP: Sure, I think we're all just trying to be clever. He's claimed Slartibartfast.
Random chatter on flavor, gives Twomz’s name.
Defensive against Twomz… points out the fact that hes been trying not to look like scum, which to me, screams of being scum. Townies naturally, scums are the ones trying to appear unagressive and other such good traits.
The above smilie is a winner.
Slartibartfast would almost have to be a town role, correct? I can't see any spin on it where it wouldn't be.
Sarnath'd.
Any scum that's serious about winning should be studying the subject matter so I'd have to disagree. That'll really just unearth lazy townies.
Then again, I didn't sign up for Romance of the Three Kingdoms mafia, because...I'm lazy.
Random humor, talks about Twomz being town, speculates about scum studying the matter…. Could be he knows as hes told them all to.
Not quite sure what he means by this, as I’ve no idea who hes talking about(Twomz or Holmes). Scummy if hes trying to protect holmes, less so if Twomz.
Joking again. Not sure how he knows whats against the rules, though admittedly poems mostly don’t rhyme words against themselves.
Honestly, I've been racking my brain trying to think of any other role that would entail his post restriction and I come up empty. Anyone read the other Adams books that could enlighten me/us?
Speculation, and more jokes about unattainable knowledge.
Anyone see anything wrong with that?
Trying to put Sk on Absolutionis, through total speculation.
I get it's not a scummy name.
Is there any reason not to say it? Since everyone else seems to know already? Why even hint like that. It's annoying.
He was just getting aggravated at being left in the dark. Anyone could've acted the same way (I'd be the same way in ROTK mafia, honestly) so I can't really call it a scummy post, and by association can't call 273 ("Okay, that's not me.") scummy either.
Just my two cents, but again, good post.
Can we get a vote count, please? There's decisions to be made.
Protects holmes. Not sure if we can find anything by association here. States the choice needs to be made now, trying to get someone lynched fast?
Unvote, vote Twomz. WIFOMing for the lose.
Votes for Twomz for breadcrumbing, something I don’t believe is necessarily scummy. WIFOM isn’t something that’s necessarily voted for. That’s why its WIFOM.
I think we've gotten about as much info as we're going to get; it's worth considering lynching one or the other and being done with it.
Trying to speed lynch again. Scummy indeed.
Holmes and Twomz were the two people with the most. Holmes has just been mason claimed with Jobie. However, for one reason or another suddenly bluesoul’s opinion on Twomz changes, with no significant developments. Scummy.
Since you claimed mason, a name claim might be good. I don't see the Adams flavor here.
Good plan for confirming Jobie/Holmes. Once again fishing for a nameclaim though.
@Jobie: That's pretty good. Now you've both got bulls-eyes on you instead of just letting Holmes claim. Nice.
Now acts upset with Jobie. Confirmed townies are good, even if they’re targets… though I do agree a claim should have waited a bit, but the result would have been the same, as you don’t believe a mason claim unless it can be backed up. Over hostile.
FoS Azrael because I've got a hunch, should that turn out to be a post restriction. Just the paranoid THHGTTG nerd in me for now.
Prods Az for having a difference in opinion. Also, I don’t believe Az ever mentioned anything about a post restriction to this point.
I'm being aggressive because I don't like seeing this much information revealed this early. Aggressive, not hostile. There's a difference. No hostility, just aggravation. (Seems like I get aggravated with this one quite a bit.)
I'm not so great a target, but I'm afraid I've dug myself into a hole here. I do look rather scummy, I've got to admit; all I can offer for now is that you take me at my word. Laughable in mafia, I know, but there are more strong leads out there.
Az accuses him of switching targets
No, too busy explaining here. Posted while posting. And you ignored the FoS completely. I don't really want to argue this any further. You've gone a few posts without doing it as well so that punches holes in the post restriction.
You did, though.
Az says he thinks hes a good target
Didn't you vig 4 townies in Random Mafia 2? Because you thought they were excellent targets?
Admits he looks scummy, tries to tell us to trust him. Attacks Az’s post restriction, which I don’t believe he said he has, and finally attacks Az’s playskill.
Drops nameclaim after Chimp says that we can catch falseclaimers with it. Also note Chimp’s post, 370. Bluesoul says he doesn’t like seing info revealed this early in the same post as seeking a nameclaim.
Dismisses Az’s analysis of his post and tries to diver the whole nameclaim business.
And I wouldn't just tell you to trust me without a good reason. Give me a little more credit than that. And one word PBPAs of posts are bad, mkay? Who's being aggressive/hostile now?
@Jobie: Fourth time. "My bad."
I'll nameclaim at 8 votes. You're wasting your time, though.
Says he was wrong about the claims. Also, says that he wouldn’t tell us to trust him without good reason… isn’t being scum a good reason? Promise to nameclaim.
Attacking Twomz again, reason is somewhat acceptable, though trying to get info on someone as scummy as him isn’t something I’m against.
Attacking Twomz again, getting overly defensive.
Moral: The nameclaims will likely mean nothing.
That said, I'm still in favor of the cop inspecting either Holmes or Jobie; you may not agree with me but you can see why I support it. (Probability says the cop will investigate a townie on night 1 anyway, so we might as well safely remove the possibility of trading a cop for 2 scumbags.)
I still think Twomz is the best bet for the lynch, though. Either scum or detrimental town. Stirring up that kind of dissension makes lots of innocent townies look scummy. He's caused more information to be released on Day 1 than any of us needed to reveal. To be blunt, we can probably deal.
Speculation on everyone, whom the masons might be. Changes his opinion about the nameclaims again, and keeps going after Twomz even after saying hes probably town.
I'll wait on another vote though.
Breadcrumbing about his ability, playing himself as a power role.
Says hes going to full claim for one reason or another. Not sure how hes overpowered.
Says he needs to fullclaim for his role to be effective, which makes no sense based his actual claim.
Okay, I'm Wonko the Sane. Obviously the only sane man in the universe. My role, for lack of a better term, is a one-shot, self-protecting, role-blocker. I have a fishbowl full of wheat germ, and whenever anyone targets me, I can choose to throw my wheat germ at them, causing them to get disgusted and leave.
This wouldn't be as good a role if I didn't learn the targeters identity in the process. If you're not catching on, this means that as long as nobody targets me, the first one to target me has to be mafia, trying to nightkill me.
Here's the catch. It's only a one-time use, and I will block the very first person to target me, so what I'm trying to say is cop, don't inspect me; doc, don't protect me; vig, don't fire at me. Any pro-town player, don't target me unless you want to be responsible for costing the town a confirmed scumbag.
My ability also works in the day, in the event of a day vig/assassin.
How can you trust me? Simple. Wait for someone to target me. I'll say who it was, and we can lynch them. If they're town, lynch me. If they're scum, I'm confirmed town. This is why I think it's possibly more powerful than the cop because if it's played right it's guaranteed to either catch scum or get a townie to endgame, and it's a doc role with cop information thrown in. Definitely a shade overpowered.
Feel free to doubt me, but I'm in a situation where I need to be completely truthful. I can help the town in a way that no other role I've played can: I can catch a scumbag the easy way.
Any questions?
Claims. Roar, I’m untargetable! Don’t believe me! You’ll die! I don’t know about the flavor “causing them to get disqusted and leave” doesn’t ring right with me. The thing is, with this claim it means that noone will ever target him. The scum are never going to go after him, if hes town, and all the townie roles will leave him alone. I highly doubt he didn’t realize this. His role in no way is necessarily townie oriented.
Comment on Twomz’s role
Yes, cooperation that involves everyone leaving you alone.
Simply being wrong about what Twomz’s role entails.
Tries to enforce the whole “Full claiming makes it work” by his choice.
More role claiming, and no explanation of what it means.
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Originally Posted by Azrael
Yup. How long did it take you to come up with that one?
It actually took 4 PMs between myself and c_p, the first with the basic role info, the second that said I'm town and my WC was I win when all the scum are dead, the third that elaborated on the role (only one shot, each person that gets the fishbowl will get some kind of ability from it, like info), and the fourth that confirmed it works during the day as well.
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Originally Posted by Azrael
It's a perfect scum claim. It protects you from investigation, it discourages verification via vigging, and it makes the town hesistant to waste a "power role".
True. But it's not an unbelievable town role either, there are far more powerful ones, especially when nobody's willing to cooperate with me here.
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Originally Posted by Azrael
Sounds a tad too convenient, to me. Wouldn't you agree?
Apparently not.
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Originally Posted by Azrael
Right now, I'm simply trying to debate whether we want to just lynch you, or attempt verification by a vig firing on you sometime over the next three days (tonight or tomorrow night or the night after that, decided via random.org). If you can name the identity of the vig, or if you show up dead, then we'd have some reason to trust you.
Are you an idiot or something? You've got better sense than that, I can confirm a scumbag, don't make me waste that potential because I'm blocking the first person, regardless.
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Originally Posted by Azrael
Problem is, you could be a genuine mafia GF role, with the ability to identify roles that target you. Then we would have outed the vig for no reason, and let you survive longer then you ought, or risked "confirming you" by a false test. And that would be waste of our time and resources.
I don't identify roles, only names. And you'd be wasting my time and resources as well.
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Originally Posted by Azrael
I'd like opinions from the town on what they'd prefer to do with you.
You already seem fairly sure what to do with me. Is nobody else finding him suspicious?
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Originally Posted by Azrael
Sarnathed. If he can voluntarily control his ability, there's a possibility we could target him with something non-lethal.
So you register whenever anyone targets you?
Yes. Just the name, not the role, hence why I need complete cooperation.
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Originally Posted by Azrael
Do we have any folks who have outed themselves as having non-lethal nighttime targeting abilities?
No no no no no. That'll defeat the purpose, because if someone does it tonight, the mafia will also strike tonight and put it to a 50:50 chance or worse if a cop or someone tries to get in on it too.
We've got a lot of potential in this role. Don't make me waste it. Like I said, the first person that targets me I definitely want to see lynched (and Twomz can apparently confirm my ability by that time), so that would completely waste the vig.
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Originally Posted by kingcobweb
Emphasis mine.
Yeah? So? I'm still going to block the very first attempt because it's the only correct way to play the role.
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Originally Posted by Chimpanzee
If I am interpreting Twomz right we can go into tonight and have Twomz target bluesoul, having bluesoul not block Twomz but block anyone else who targets him. That way Twomz use his ability to verify bluesoul and possibly clear two people at once.
I think his role is during the night he'll get names of everyone that made a night choice. I'll wait for clarification from him. If not this is the only other acceptable choice to me. Also, I'm guessing my second role is simply the ability to pass the fishbowl on. That's everything in my role.
Gets overly defensive, still refuses to admit that by claiming his ability it uses all its use, except for everyone leaving his role.
No idea what this means, other than hes breadcrumbing again.
Originally Posted by dragyn_mage
@bluesoul- no, the only best way to use your ability if you are a townie is to keep quiet and stay under the radar.
Well that idea kind of went to hell, didn't it? It's not my fault you guys kept wagonning me without a good reason. You reap what you sow.
Let me make this perfectly clear: regardless of how Day 1 went I was going to give a full claim. It's the only way to ensure that either I catch a scumbag or I survive to endgame.
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Originally Posted by Kenji
Please do not think of yourself so highly... I strongly doubt that the mafia are going to target you tonight, there are some better choices...
I honestly don't know how I'd react to my claim if I were scum. I'd probably leave it alone because I wouldn't want to risk outting myself.
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Originally Posted by Kenji
Saying this does not and never will help your case... whenever you mention "supposed" talks with the mod they are always "supposed"... You nor the mod, nor anyone else can verify if it actually did take 4 PMs or if you're making all of it up.
I'm being nothing more or less than completely truthful here. Azrael asked so I answered. Don't criticize me for being truthful.
Actually, if Twomz inspects me or whatever he does, and I choose not to block him, I'm not sure what that'll return, but it's still a night choice (a choice not to block) so maybe that'll confirm me as well. Waiting on clarification from Twomz.
Supposedly he was going to give a full claim, even though twice before he was trying to get the day to end fast. Says that trying to stay under the radar wouldn’t have worked at all… the thing is, you could confirm a townie, catching scum isn’t the only thing you’re necessarily good for.
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Originally Posted by Kenji
You have just said that if you were scum you would leave such a role alone, if this is how you would react then why-oh-why did you decide to full claim on day 1 regardless of what happened? By being left alone by the mafia you do not get to use your ability and therefore can not prove yourself and therefore end up in the situation you are in now.
I don't understand. Please clarify what you're asking. I think I see what you're saying, and the whole thing will probably hinge on whether Twomz or you can target me.
The town has no reason to think I'm scum, especially pending an explanation from Twomz.
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Originally Posted by Kenji
There is no need to survive to the endgame... the Town still wins even if you die [in fact it needs to kill you if you are scum as I think you are], unless however you role says that you need to survive till the endgame to win... now to me, that doesn't sound like the sort of person you want to keep around... seeing how they don't sound like they are town....
Very true. My WC is that I win when all scum are dead, not that I need to survive to the end. Surviving to endgame is just a possible bonus of the role, because scum wouldn't want to risk the nightkill being roleblocked and their identity revealed.
And yeah, I kinda snapped at d_m but he's telling me to lay low way after it makes any sense. Hindsight is 20/20 and, in this scenario, a complete waste of time. As it stands now, it has to be a defense instead of the
helpful tool I planned on it being.
I don't get it. Why are you against townies surviving to the end? What the **** do I not understand here? If something gets a townie to endgame what's so wrong with it?
Says that we have no reason to think hes scummy, doesn’t realize that him surviving to the endgame isn’t absolutely necessary.
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Originally Posted by kingcobweb
However, once again, I believe blue's claim, and I would chalk his scumminess up to, no offense bluesoul, not being all that good.
Fair enough, I'm new to all this. I haven't completed a game yet, so I'm bound to make mistakes.
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Originally Posted by Abandon Hope
Seems very made up to me. Especially the conversation between him and carrion pidgeons.
Sorry, but I'm not getting modkilled to satisfy your skepticality.
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Originally Posted by Twomz
I still need to check to see if what i'm thinking of is targeting or not. If it isn't, great. If it is, then i won't do it right now, unless Bluesoul wants me too (don't worry, it won't effect you unless you're lying .)
I'm okay with it, but not now. I've got a job interview I'm headed to, so real life beckons. When I get back I'll talk about it though.
Tries to pass off his behavior, which he says wasn’t scummy in the last post, as noobish. Acts like AH is trying to get him modkills.
Okay back, I've got another interview on Thursday.
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Originally Posted by Holmes
Bluesoul: what if 2 people target you? You get a list of "names" and have to pick one? You "block" both? You block one, but the other one affects you?
I get a list of names and I have to pick one, correct. I block one, and the other one affects me. If Twomz wants to do whatever he's doing now's a good time to do it.
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Originally Posted by Holmes
How could that work in the day? The Mod. tells you you've been targeted and then, you decide if you want to react, and then the Mod. tells you who it was?
This is what I asked c_p in the 4th message, because it occured to me there might be day vigs or something else. He told me it works the same during the day.
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Originally Posted by Holmes
I don't understand how that works. And yes it could be scummy. Particularly with you basically threatening to lynch anyone who tries to confirm it.
I'm just trying to take advantage of a good thing. It's the only way I know of to play the role.
Explanation of roles, says that hes trying to make his role the most effective, which I believe hes failed at.
Confirms Twomz’s pm, Asks people to wait, not much more.
Claims that if Twomz is cleared, he is, which is untrue. Changes from his investigate the masons idea.
I'm not in favor of mass-claims gaming the system but if that's all it takes to win then so be it.
Tries to get the cop off of him, No idea what he meant of by the “don’t really want this to devolve into math”.
Says gambit would be dumb for them to try, once again says he’ll be cleared if Twomz is town.
Not much here.
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Originally Posted by avabob
If he was godfather, and someone investigated him, attempting to clear both him and bluesoul, he would come back as innocent.
* bluesoul shrugs
If we're being that paranoid we can't proceed in the game. Do you really think you've caught the Godfather and a scumbag on day 1? Please, don't kid yourself. Accept it, we're both town, and move on.*
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Originally Posted by avabob
And please, let's avoid a massclaim. That would be very bad.
Maybe. It's something to keep in mind though, with Twomz's role.
*I can't be held responsible if Twomz is in fact a scumbag, but I don't see his information role being a scum one.
Tries to dismiss someone speculating that he might be scum, aggressively defending himself again. Then tries to disassociate himself with Twomz unlike before.
Still acts like his role will do something useful, despite the scum (if hes town) who are going to avoid him.
Trust me for now. If a townie targets me, lynch me next, but there's nothing I can do; I can't control other people's actions, only advise the best way to help the town.
Acts as if hes cleared, and more trying to avoid the town from investigating him.
The end!
Alrighty, there you go… basically, bluesoul has been extremely scummy, and he is in no way cleared as town. My vote stands.
So far as I can see, we only know that Twomz is either lying or Bluesoul has what he says he has. Not that either of them is town.