• posted a message on Archangel Avacyn // Avacyn, the Purifier
    I was thinking the same thing. I'm just not sure what I'll drop at this point. I defintely think she's modern viable though.
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  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    Quote from Jin15 »
    Quote from Vault756 »
    This is easily the worst idea ever. Yugioh's reprint policy was basically to reprint anything of value in preconstructed product or to give it away as a cheap promo. Cards never retained their value and thus stores didn't want to deal in Yugioh cards. Local game stores wouldn't support it and that's why the game isn't played nearly as much any more.

    Say what you will about Wizard's "limited print run" on things like Modern Masters but it does an excellent job of increasing supply without decreasing value. People bitch about stuff like the reserve list, card prices being too high, and investors but these all represent the business end of Magic. It's this business end that makes magic profitable and it's the games profitability that keeps the LGS supporting the game.

    tl;dr The reserve list, limited print runs, and investors are all good for the game so stop whining.

    Edit: The post I quoted was apparently deleted and I just hadn't refreshed my page yet or something. The poster basically said that Wizards should just take a page from Yugioh's playbook when it comes to reprints.


    I'm guessing it was my post you were intending to quote (which was not deleted by the way) so I'll go ahead and reply. I think the thing you're missing is that this card game wasn't always Money: The Gathering. There was a time not long ago, just a few years back actually, when Revised edition Underground Sea were $30 each and Wasteland was $20.

    During that time was when Legacy grew to the height of it's popularity and nearly every LGS in my area ran Legacy once a week, because just about anyone could afford to play it and people liked playing the eternal format with the most diversity. Now fast forward a few years later to today, when Legacy cards are absurdly expensive and few people can afford to play the format competitively. What has happened? Well, in my area all but two of the stores that used to run Legacy have stopped running it. Why? Because most players can't afford to play it anymore and tournament attendance was too low to support it.

    On the flip side of things, the past couple years—since the relative demise of Legacy—there has been big increase in interest in the paper Pauper format and several stores in my area that used to run Legacy now run Pauper instead. In Pauper there are only a few (literally, 3 or 4) cards worth more than $5 each and the stores that run Pauper still make a good profit supporting the format and running events for it. Why? Not because of the value of the cards in the format, but because people are happy to pay tournament entry fees to play it.

    The best thing for Magic players is to keep eternal formats as cheap and easy to get into as possible, because that draws more players to the format. Make the format too expensive by not reprinting cards enough to keep prices down and the format will die, but reprint them enough to get dual lands and all those other ridiculously overpriced peices of cardboard in Legacy back down to the $20 to $40 each that they were at the height of the format's popularity and Legacy will flourish again. And if the paper Pauper format is any indication, stores will still make tidy profits running events just from tournament entry fees and game accessory sales (sleeves, dice, playmats, snacks, etc).

    MtG isn't the stock market, it's a game. And games that are too expensive to attract players just don't last. With that in mind, I think Wizards pulling a page from YuGiOh's reprinting playbook is the best thing that could happen to eternal formats. We need a little less Money: The Gathering and a little more Magic: The Gathering. Smile

    You're missing the fact that many people make their livelihood off of mtg. If local stores start regularly losing thousands of dollars because the value of their stock is being depreciated by Yugioh style reprints than those stores are going to stop dealing in magic cards. In Yugioh we have instances of cards that were once worth over a hundred dollars each dropping down to $5 almost over night. As someone who has played both games I can safely say that one of the main reasons that Yugioh has basically died out is because Konami did not care at all about the secondary market. Their reprint policies were shortsighted, everything was done to make a quick buck at the expense of the secondary market. The secondary market keeps the game afloat though. The game will fail without people willing to put money into it, without places to play, and without a reason to buy packs. When I played I never bought packs because any card I ever wanted was either dirt cheap or would be dirt cheap in a month due to their reprint policies with tons and such.
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  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    Quote from Foam-Dome »
    Quote from Vault756 »
    Quote from Foam-Dome »


    "Caring about the value of your investment" is a load of crap. Don't invest your money in a card game that people play for their personal enjoyment, especially if you raise enough of a fuss to make Wizards enact a policy that detracts from other people's enjoyment of that game.

    It's Wizards's game, and they should be able to do with it what they wish.


    You do understand that LGS's investing in the game is an important part of what makes magic successful right? If Wizards went crazy with reprints and prices tanked then stores lose a lot of incentive to support the game. It's far from "a load of crap." Caring about your investment is just good business sense.


    You do understand that I'm referring to the card-hoarding collectors who led to the creation and continued existence of the Reserved List, right?

    If collectors have no plans to sell their collections anyway, then why should they care about the prices?
    If they do plan to sell, then they should be putting their money into the stock market, not a game.


    Just because someone isn't planning on selling their collection any time soon doesn't mean they won't ever sell it. I never understood why people think collectors are bad for the game. Collectors buy product, making wizards money either directly or indirectly depending on what they bought, either way money is being put into the game and that's almost always a good thing.

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  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    Quote from Foam-Dome »


    "Caring about the value of your investment" is a load of crap. Don't invest your money in a card game that people play for their personal enjoyment, especially if you raise enough of a fuss to make Wizards enact a policy that detracts from other people's enjoyment of that game.

    It's Wizards's game, and they should be able to do with it what they wish.


    You do understand that LGS's investing in the game is an important part of what makes magic successful right? If Wizards went crazy with reprints and prices tanked then stores lose a lot of incentive to support the game. It's far from "a load of crap." Caring about your investment is just good business sense.



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  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    This is easily the worst idea ever. Yugioh's reprint policy was basically to reprint anything of value in preconstructed product or to give it away as a cheap promo. Cards never retained their value and thus stores didn't want to deal in Yugioh cards. Local game stores wouldn't support it and that's why the game isn't played nearly as much any more.

    Say what you will about Wizard's "limited print run" on things like Modern Masters but it does an excellent job of increasing supply without decreasing value. People bitch about stuff like the reserve list, card prices being too high, and investors but these all represent the business end of Magic. It's this business end that makes magic profitable and it's the games profitability that keeps the LGS supporting the game.

    tl;dr The reserve list, limited print runs, and investors are all good for the game so stop whining.

    Edit: The post I quoted was apparently deleted and I just hadn't refreshed my page yet or something. The poster basically said that Wizards should just take a page from Yugioh's playbook when it comes to reprints.
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  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    Quote from dschumm »
    So here is a quick list of cards I think could/should be reprinted. This is not including any modern legal cards, hopefully some of the good ones might show up here, but they will probably save lots for MM2017. Also you can add the Jace, Jitte and the whole modern ban list to this as well.

    Ice Storm
    Sinkhole
    Jade Statue
    Demonic Tutor
    Mana Vault
    Sylvan Library
    Land Tax
    Grim Tutor
    Goblin Settler
    Devastation
    Time Warp
    Imperial Seal
    Capture of Jingshou
    Imperial Recruiter
    Ravages of War
    Loyal Retainers
    Three Visits
    Temporal Manipulation
    Natural Order
    Sylvan Tutor
    Cruel Tutor
    Personal Tutor
    Gift of Estates
    Cabal Coffers
    Flusterstorm
    Kaalia of the Vast
    Animar
    Toxic Deluge
    True-Name Nemesis
    Maelstrom Wanderer
    Shardless Agent
    Sakashima’s Student
    Dack Fayden
    Mana Drain
    Karakas
    Chain Lightning
    Maze of Ith
    Enlightened Tutor
    Worldly Tutor
    Phyrexian Dreadnought
    Necromancy
    Scroll Rack
    Mirri's Guile
    Ancient Tomb
    Choke
    Reanimate
    Gemstone Mine
    Ensnaring Bridge
    Burgeoning
    Price of Progress
    Show and Tell
    Sneak Attack
    Gamble
    Phyrexian Tower
    Worship
    Greater Good
    Contamination
    No Mercy
    Defense of the Heart
    Defense Grid
    Quicksilver Amulet
    Tinker
    Rishadan Port
    Bribery
    Food Chain
    Diabolic Intent
    Eldamri’s Call
    Orim’s Chant
    Vindicate
    Entomb
    Time Stretch
    Deserted Temple
    Grim Lavamancer
    Chainer’s Edict
    Cabal Ritual
    Cabal Therapy
    Burning Wish
    Cunning Wish
    Seedborn Muse
    Sliver Overlord
    Thran Dynamo
    Sol Ring
    Animate Dead
    Dark Ritual
    Counterspell
    Control Magic
    Black Vise
    Regrowth
    Serendib Efreet
    Winter Orb
    Armageddon
    Mind Twist
    Nevinyrral’s Disk
    Basalt Monolith
    Daze
    Gush
    Phyrexian Alter
    Rhystic Study
    Aura Shards


    This is the first time in history that I can safely say this. The entire list looks good. There is not a single card there that doesn't belong. I to would love to see all of these reprinted and I don't believe any of these are unprintable.
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  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    Quote from baconspoon »
    Perhaps it's time to finally settle the reserved list situation in literally the only reasonable way possible...

    Ban all reserved list cards in Lagacy.

    Either that, or introduce a third eternal format. And not a non-rotating format like Modern, but a truly eternal fotmat, in terms of both backwards set legality, and the legality of new supplemental product cards like Flusterstorm. And, of course, ban the reserved list.

    I think the former makes more sense. Just relegate the reserved list to Vintage and Commander. That should pretty much even out the supply for those players. I just read the list again, and I really don't think it would be super impactful to ban it. Obviously every mana base shifts, and mono-red gets a natural boost from that, but most of the major archetypes stay fully intact. You lose only a small handful of relevant cards, but nothing irreplaceable apart from maybe LED. After everyone has a few months to cry wolf and whine about it, Wizards can pretty much wipe their hands of the whole debate. No one will care any more than they currently do about the lack of Black Lotus reprints....


    As someone who owns both a legacy deck and an EDH full of reserve list cards I actually whole heartedly agree. I fully support the existence of the reserve list but if they seriously want people to start playing legacy than this is really their only option. The reserve list isn't going anywhere. Sets like EMA will go a long way to increasing accessibility but as long as the reserve list is there it will never truly be accessible. I think creating a new eternal set or outing the reserve list cards from our existing legacy is really the only option we have.
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  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    I think the biggest thing to take away from the announcement of this set is that we are getting "Eternal" Masters and not "Legacy" Masters. We could see some sweet EDH cards that aren't legacy legal or viable.

    I hate how they stated they won't be reprinting any cards from the reserve list. Of course they aren't reprinting cards from the reserve list, that's the whole point of the reserve list after all.

    I'm personally super excited for the set. I know its not going to tank prices but it will increase availability and hopefully increase the legacy player base.


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  • posted a message on Scg email, bloom titan banned in modern?
    Quote from Galspanic »
    Quote from Crazy Pierre »
    This is Starcity as well and they are a store. They might be trying to get some buy low on Amulets and Summer Blooms in case it goes through unscathed, then flip them back for a tidy profit. Wait and see I guess.
    Really? I mean, seriously?? They are aggressive in the market but if they pulled bs tactics like that it would be the beginning of a very painful road their business model doesn't really work with.
    This reminds me of Avacyn Restored. After spoilers but before the set was legal everyone on SCG was talking about how bad Miracle was as a mechanic and how it was a trap meant to trick new players. Then at the first big event all the SCG players were playing RWU Miracles. There was talk about whether they had purposely misled their readers into thinking it was bad. This way they could acquire the cards cheaper to sell higher at a later time and also to give their players a better chance at winning the event because less people will have anticipated playing against it. The general consensus was that they merely misevaluated the power of the mechanic as people often do before they've had a chance to actually play with the cards but you never know.
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  • posted a message on Scg email, bloom titan banned in modern?
    Quote from Truth »
    Okay, enough independent sources for it to be a real e-mail. Thing is, they're saying "it's still legal for a week or two". We have 10 days until the bannings. So why would they write an e-mail like this, with a clear intention of sending it earlier, when it's not longer "a week or two", only "under a week"? And why does SCG have inside banning info, and hell, sends it massively? Looks like more of a "Yeah we're almost sure that Bloom is gonna get banned", not "Bloom banned".

    EDIT: ...the title is "Ban incoming for Amulet Bloom". Goddamnit guys, way to overreact. It's clearly a speculation.


    In my defense i cant see the pictures from my phone. That said it does seem incredibly poorly worded given that it is speculation.
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