• posted a message on [Primer] UWR Control
    Quote from Rutherjc19 »
    Hey gang! Went to my fnm... first Friday playing modern! I usually have to go on a Tuesday lol
    overall everything went great!



    Sideboard (15)


    Beat Jund 2-0

    G1: He starts off with Blackleave cliffs, Inqusition of Kozliek, takes my geist, thats fine :p
    I draw a spell snare, and see his dark confidant go right to the graveyard! good start for me. It turns out he really needed that. because he is stuck with that cliffs and a forest. on his t4 after draw i flash in my drawn v clique, reveal a lot of good stuff but he only has 2 lands, so i dont take anything (Iok, K command, Liliana of the V, terminate and bolt).
    He bolts it, then i draw my other one, then i repeat and get his goyf out of his hand, and answer a bob on the board with a path before his turn started. I play Elspeth next turn and he takes 7, then i basically ride her to victory. he has a split second of hope when he tops a scavenging ooze, but i top deck an electrolyze and he is pretty upset at this point lol He answers my tokens for a few turns, but i draw a Colonnade and ride that with the elspeth to my g1 win. He was stuck on 3 lands the whole game.

    Sideboard- -3 geist, -2 bolt. +2 Rest in peace, +1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion, +1 Engineered Explosives, +1 Pithing Needle

    G2: This game, was a lot more back and forth. I got rid of 2 dark confidants, and honestly thats the most significant i can remember of it. It was a lot of back and forth on resources, he was flooding out pretty hardcore and my resources were lining up perfectly. A 'from the hand' bonfire takes care of huntmaster, a zombie left over from a Geth, and a wolf, which felt pretty amazing but horrible to pay 7 mana for lol ride elspeth (4 drop) and colonnade both to the win for this round as well
    Beat Lantern Control 2-1

    G1: Nothing special here gang, he gets an early ensnaring bridge, and chills until he hits an Ghirapur Æther Grid. i am drawing ok here, and get him down to 5 life with the burn until he kills me. Oh well! first time ever playing against this so.. lets see whats up lol
    Sideboard: -2 resto, -1 thundermaw, -1 bonfire, -2 path, +2 stony silence, +1 EE +1 Wear/Tear, +1 negate, +1 dispel, +1 pithing needle (kept 2 in because of spellskite coming in redirecting my burn spells)

    G2: turn 1 serum visions, t2 stony silence, hells yeah Smile so he just plays a lot of 1 drop artifacts, but no Ensnaring Bridge! so i lay a V Clique on his draw step t4, and i take an ancient stirings.
    i attack with that a few times, i spell snare a Sun Droplet to keep on the pressure and the burn, then start attacking with a colonnade that i drew into. our libraries are revealed, i see he has a ghost quarter coming up, so i ask a judge to be sure, but i pithing needle, naming ghost quarter, so my Colonnade is safe! and he cracks up when i do it XD lol So i WIN THIS ONE! WHOOP!

    G3: so he keeps a no lander, for some reason... i guess his hand was the nuts if he had land, anyways. i go t2 lightning helix, then a t3 geist. t4 i land a clique, then t5 i lay elspeth and a colonnade tapped. he hits his first land on his t3, and doesn't really do much. I wreck him this game. and it feels great lol
    Loss Abzan Company 1-2 tomorrow
    i didn't take the same amount of notes. with this deck... there would be like 5 pages lol im stuck on a steam vents and a ghost quarter for the longest time, but he eats both spell snares that i draw. Long story short, i get down to 6, and I swing for 14 from a geist, an on board elsepth, and a thundermaw hellkite for the win!

    Sideboard: I honestly have no idea what i brought out, but i brought in a dispel, 2 negate, EE, supreme verdict,

    G2: very fast and bad., NO counter magic was drawn, and he infinite life pretty early lol
    G3: grindy as hell, but he kills me creature style in combat, in turn 3 of turns. i was flooding out hardcore this game, and no celestial colonnades.
    Intentional draw for the last round, the guy had to leave and I was nice.

    Thoughts:
    -Bonfire is gone. It's very not good lol
    -Thundermaw hellkite is amazeballs.
    -I changed Gideon to elspeth knight errant and she was fantastic. Wanting another mainboard. Seriously. She kicked ass.
    -electrolyze seems great, I want to put another mainboard if I can.
    -Vendilion Clique was awesome. I loved seeing it, 2 mainboard seems great for my build.
    -spell snare is the BEEZE-MOTHA-FREAKIN-NEEZE.
    - I'm not sure if I'm a control or midrange deck so I posted here and as well as midrange. Would appreciate the input gang Smile


    You are clearly a midrange deck. I have no advice for you besides that Eiganjo Castle works wonders alongside geist.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] UWR Control
    I run a pure control Jeskai list and I was super skeptical about AV before I tried it but I'm glad I did. I've yet to die with it on suspend but I don't doubt that it will happen eventually. The main problem with pure control lists is that they tend to run out of gas before finishing the game up, the solution is either to run a combo, run more aggressive creatures or to run a bunch of card draw to stay juiced. The thing is the card draw was alwaya took up too much mana so you couldn't actually afford to play it. Suspends ability to functionally trade time for manga works really well in control. Control decks create time by making the game go longer but they can't always afford to use their mana on draw spells. You have to keep your mana up prettt much all the time to represent countermagic or removal so even Sphinx's Revelation can be a liability some times.

    Now all that said I am pretty sad about the cards I had to cut to make room for Visions. I had one flex slot but I had to cut my second Sphinx's Revelation and both my electrolyzes.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Archangel Avacyn // Avacyn, the Purifier
    I was thinking the same thing. I'm just not sure what I'll drop at this point. I defintely think she's modern viable though.
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  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    Quote from Jin15 »
    Quote from Vault756 »
    This is easily the worst idea ever. Yugioh's reprint policy was basically to reprint anything of value in preconstructed product or to give it away as a cheap promo. Cards never retained their value and thus stores didn't want to deal in Yugioh cards. Local game stores wouldn't support it and that's why the game isn't played nearly as much any more.

    Say what you will about Wizard's "limited print run" on things like Modern Masters but it does an excellent job of increasing supply without decreasing value. People bitch about stuff like the reserve list, card prices being too high, and investors but these all represent the business end of Magic. It's this business end that makes magic profitable and it's the games profitability that keeps the LGS supporting the game.

    tl;dr The reserve list, limited print runs, and investors are all good for the game so stop whining.

    Edit: The post I quoted was apparently deleted and I just hadn't refreshed my page yet or something. The poster basically said that Wizards should just take a page from Yugioh's playbook when it comes to reprints.


    I'm guessing it was my post you were intending to quote (which was not deleted by the way) so I'll go ahead and reply. I think the thing you're missing is that this card game wasn't always Money: The Gathering. There was a time not long ago, just a few years back actually, when Revised edition Underground Sea were $30 each and Wasteland was $20.

    During that time was when Legacy grew to the height of it's popularity and nearly every LGS in my area ran Legacy once a week, because just about anyone could afford to play it and people liked playing the eternal format with the most diversity. Now fast forward a few years later to today, when Legacy cards are absurdly expensive and few people can afford to play the format competitively. What has happened? Well, in my area all but two of the stores that used to run Legacy have stopped running it. Why? Because most players can't afford to play it anymore and tournament attendance was too low to support it.

    On the flip side of things, the past couple years—since the relative demise of Legacy—there has been big increase in interest in the paper Pauper format and several stores in my area that used to run Legacy now run Pauper instead. In Pauper there are only a few (literally, 3 or 4) cards worth more than $5 each and the stores that run Pauper still make a good profit supporting the format and running events for it. Why? Not because of the value of the cards in the format, but because people are happy to pay tournament entry fees to play it.

    The best thing for Magic players is to keep eternal formats as cheap and easy to get into as possible, because that draws more players to the format. Make the format too expensive by not reprinting cards enough to keep prices down and the format will die, but reprint them enough to get dual lands and all those other ridiculously overpriced peices of cardboard in Legacy back down to the $20 to $40 each that they were at the height of the format's popularity and Legacy will flourish again. And if the paper Pauper format is any indication, stores will still make tidy profits running events just from tournament entry fees and game accessory sales (sleeves, dice, playmats, snacks, etc).

    MtG isn't the stock market, it's a game. And games that are too expensive to attract players just don't last. With that in mind, I think Wizards pulling a page from YuGiOh's reprinting playbook is the best thing that could happen to eternal formats. We need a little less Money: The Gathering and a little more Magic: The Gathering. Smile

    You're missing the fact that many people make their livelihood off of mtg. If local stores start regularly losing thousands of dollars because the value of their stock is being depreciated by Yugioh style reprints than those stores are going to stop dealing in magic cards. In Yugioh we have instances of cards that were once worth over a hundred dollars each dropping down to $5 almost over night. As someone who has played both games I can safely say that one of the main reasons that Yugioh has basically died out is because Konami did not care at all about the secondary market. Their reprint policies were shortsighted, everything was done to make a quick buck at the expense of the secondary market. The secondary market keeps the game afloat though. The game will fail without people willing to put money into it, without places to play, and without a reason to buy packs. When I played I never bought packs because any card I ever wanted was either dirt cheap or would be dirt cheap in a month due to their reprint policies with tons and such.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
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    Quote from Vault756 »
    Quote from Foam-Dome »


    "Caring about the value of your investment" is a load of crap. Don't invest your money in a card game that people play for their personal enjoyment, especially if you raise enough of a fuss to make Wizards enact a policy that detracts from other people's enjoyment of that game.

    It's Wizards's game, and they should be able to do with it what they wish.


    You do understand that LGS's investing in the game is an important part of what makes magic successful right? If Wizards went crazy with reprints and prices tanked then stores lose a lot of incentive to support the game. It's far from "a load of crap." Caring about your investment is just good business sense.


    You do understand that I'm referring to the card-hoarding collectors who led to the creation and continued existence of the Reserved List, right?

    If collectors have no plans to sell their collections anyway, then why should they care about the prices?
    If they do plan to sell, then they should be putting their money into the stock market, not a game.


    Just because someone isn't planning on selling their collection any time soon doesn't mean they won't ever sell it. I never understood why people think collectors are bad for the game. Collectors buy product, making wizards money either directly or indirectly depending on what they bought, either way money is being put into the game and that's almost always a good thing.

    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    Quote from Foam-Dome »


    "Caring about the value of your investment" is a load of crap. Don't invest your money in a card game that people play for their personal enjoyment, especially if you raise enough of a fuss to make Wizards enact a policy that detracts from other people's enjoyment of that game.

    It's Wizards's game, and they should be able to do with it what they wish.


    You do understand that LGS's investing in the game is an important part of what makes magic successful right? If Wizards went crazy with reprints and prices tanked then stores lose a lot of incentive to support the game. It's far from "a load of crap." Caring about your investment is just good business sense.



    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    This is easily the worst idea ever. Yugioh's reprint policy was basically to reprint anything of value in preconstructed product or to give it away as a cheap promo. Cards never retained their value and thus stores didn't want to deal in Yugioh cards. Local game stores wouldn't support it and that's why the game isn't played nearly as much any more.

    Say what you will about Wizard's "limited print run" on things like Modern Masters but it does an excellent job of increasing supply without decreasing value. People bitch about stuff like the reserve list, card prices being too high, and investors but these all represent the business end of Magic. It's this business end that makes magic profitable and it's the games profitability that keeps the LGS supporting the game.

    tl;dr The reserve list, limited print runs, and investors are all good for the game so stop whining.

    Edit: The post I quoted was apparently deleted and I just hadn't refreshed my page yet or something. The poster basically said that Wizards should just take a page from Yugioh's playbook when it comes to reprints.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    Quote from dschumm »
    So here is a quick list of cards I think could/should be reprinted. This is not including any modern legal cards, hopefully some of the good ones might show up here, but they will probably save lots for MM2017. Also you can add the Jace, Jitte and the whole modern ban list to this as well.

    Ice Storm
    Sinkhole
    Jade Statue
    Demonic Tutor
    Mana Vault
    Sylvan Library
    Land Tax
    Grim Tutor
    Goblin Settler
    Devastation
    Time Warp
    Imperial Seal
    Capture of Jingshou
    Imperial Recruiter
    Ravages of War
    Loyal Retainers
    Three Visits
    Temporal Manipulation
    Natural Order
    Sylvan Tutor
    Cruel Tutor
    Personal Tutor
    Gift of Estates
    Cabal Coffers
    Flusterstorm
    Kaalia of the Vast
    Animar
    Toxic Deluge
    True-Name Nemesis
    Maelstrom Wanderer
    Shardless Agent
    Sakashima’s Student
    Dack Fayden
    Mana Drain
    Karakas
    Chain Lightning
    Maze of Ith
    Enlightened Tutor
    Worldly Tutor
    Phyrexian Dreadnought
    Necromancy
    Scroll Rack
    Mirri's Guile
    Ancient Tomb
    Choke
    Reanimate
    Gemstone Mine
    Ensnaring Bridge
    Burgeoning
    Price of Progress
    Show and Tell
    Sneak Attack
    Gamble
    Phyrexian Tower
    Worship
    Greater Good
    Contamination
    No Mercy
    Defense of the Heart
    Defense Grid
    Quicksilver Amulet
    Tinker
    Rishadan Port
    Bribery
    Food Chain
    Diabolic Intent
    Eldamri’s Call
    Orim’s Chant
    Vindicate
    Entomb
    Time Stretch
    Deserted Temple
    Grim Lavamancer
    Chainer’s Edict
    Cabal Ritual
    Cabal Therapy
    Burning Wish
    Cunning Wish
    Seedborn Muse
    Sliver Overlord
    Thran Dynamo
    Sol Ring
    Animate Dead
    Dark Ritual
    Counterspell
    Control Magic
    Black Vise
    Regrowth
    Serendib Efreet
    Winter Orb
    Armageddon
    Mind Twist
    Nevinyrral’s Disk
    Basalt Monolith
    Daze
    Gush
    Phyrexian Alter
    Rhystic Study
    Aura Shards


    This is the first time in history that I can safely say this. The entire list looks good. There is not a single card there that doesn't belong. I to would love to see all of these reprinted and I don't believe any of these are unprintable.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    Quote from baconspoon »
    Perhaps it's time to finally settle the reserved list situation in literally the only reasonable way possible...

    Ban all reserved list cards in Lagacy.

    Either that, or introduce a third eternal format. And not a non-rotating format like Modern, but a truly eternal fotmat, in terms of both backwards set legality, and the legality of new supplemental product cards like Flusterstorm. And, of course, ban the reserved list.

    I think the former makes more sense. Just relegate the reserved list to Vintage and Commander. That should pretty much even out the supply for those players. I just read the list again, and I really don't think it would be super impactful to ban it. Obviously every mana base shifts, and mono-red gets a natural boost from that, but most of the major archetypes stay fully intact. You lose only a small handful of relevant cards, but nothing irreplaceable apart from maybe LED. After everyone has a few months to cry wolf and whine about it, Wizards can pretty much wipe their hands of the whole debate. No one will care any more than they currently do about the lack of Black Lotus reprints....


    As someone who owns both a legacy deck and an EDH full of reserve list cards I actually whole heartedly agree. I fully support the existence of the reserve list but if they seriously want people to start playing legacy than this is really their only option. The reserve list isn't going anywhere. Sets like EMA will go a long way to increasing accessibility but as long as the reserve list is there it will never truly be accessible. I think creating a new eternal set or outing the reserve list cards from our existing legacy is really the only option we have.
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  • posted a message on Eternal Masters Confirmed
    I think the biggest thing to take away from the announcement of this set is that we are getting "Eternal" Masters and not "Legacy" Masters. We could see some sweet EDH cards that aren't legacy legal or viable.

    I hate how they stated they won't be reprinting any cards from the reserve list. Of course they aren't reprinting cards from the reserve list, that's the whole point of the reserve list after all.

    I'm personally super excited for the set. I know its not going to tank prices but it will increase availability and hopefully increase the legacy player base.


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