What's best sideboard answer to Burn? Currently just running the Claims + Thragtusk package but it's simply not enough. Should I be running Feed the Clan, etc? I feel like they always have the no-life gain spells on call...
So I have a conundrum - I'm driving down to Charlotte today to play in the GP and I was ready to rock RG Tron because I knew the meta was perfect for it to prey on.
Low and behold - SCG Invitational threw a wrench into the works when Tron took BOTH major events last weekend. Now folks are going to come packing hate that is really going to hinder my game plan.
In general, my go-to decks are RG Tron and URx Delver (Grixis recently, RUG historically).
My question is, how do you think the meta shifts to react to Tron's win and what will that shift cause the meta to be weak to? I think Grixis Twin is still a safe call. Burn is always safe, especially since Tron is one of its best match-ups. I think Bogles is a sleeper right now as well.
Thoughts? How do you think the meta adjusts this weekend, besides playing every Blood Moon ever printed somewhere in the 75?
This was like the perfect R/G Tron metagame. GerryT and the Jund players trying to stage a lil comeback only to get slammed by the the quiet boogeyman deck.
It certainly helped that all the Twin players tried to get cute and play the Jund game too by transforming into Grixis value decks instead of focusing on their combo game. Decks like Amulet Bloom or Tron are just not impressed by that value stuff. Joshua Ravitz actually called it and played 4 Fulminator Mages in his sideboard which is why he probably managed to top 8
Like the Matthias and Cedric said multiple times on camera now. Don't bring those decks to GP Charlotte next week. You will get destroyed by all the hate that people will show up with like Stony Silence, Fulminator Mage, Blood Moon, Ghost Quarter etc. but hey that's the price for playing these kind of decks.
UGH - I was planning to run Tron next weekend and have been busy Top 8ing local tournaments in prep. Dammit - why couldn't they wait a week to blow out this meta?
What's the next upcoming tournament to wait for in order to have an actual metagame shaping? And when is it going to happen?
We have three Modern tournaments this month.
• February 6-8, 2015, Pro Tour Washington DC*
• February 21-22, 2015, GP Vancouver *
• February 28-March 1, 2015, SCG Open Baltimore*
SCG DC is this weekend with a big modern event on Sunday, so we'll start seeing what it looks like soon. I'll be there and I don't have the damndest idea on what I want to play between Junk, Tron, or Twin.
I'll be playing in DC and the real question for me is whether to run RUG Twin, Tempo Twin or Tron.
RUG Twin has been my deck for the better part of the last year (shifted to it when I got sick of constantly losing to Twin as Tron), so I know it's good and resilient against discard. On the other hand, tuning UR Tempo Twin to hate on BGx for this weekend can be a silver bullet call. Tron will be great this weekend because it will stomp on BGx decks, although they'll come prepared for G2/G3 and LD out the wazoo. Also, I think Tron will be a bit dangerous with the amount of Twin I expect to see.
OR do I just stop fighting the powers that be and sleeve up Junk Good Stuff and start turning Rhinos sideways?
I'll be playing in DC and the real question for me is whether to run RUG Twin, Tempo Twin or Tron.
RUG Twin has been my deck for the better part of the last year, so I know it's good and resilient against discard. On the other hand, tuning UR Tempo Twin to hate on BGx for this weekend can be a silver bullet call. Tron will be great this weekend because it will stomp on BGx decks but I think its too dangerous because of the amount of Twin we're going to see.
OR do I just stop fighting the powers that be and sleeve up Junk Good Stuff and start turning Rhinos sideways?
Thoughts?
So any thoughts on whether UR or RUG Twin is the way to go into the SCG DC meta, which will be packed with BGx?
I'll be playing in DC and the real question for me is whether to run RUG Twin, Tempo Twin or Tron.
RUG Twin has been my deck for the better part of the last year, so I know it's good and resilient against discard. On the other hand, tuning UR Tempo Twin to hate on BGx for this weekend can be a silver bullet call. Tron will be great this weekend because it will stomp on BGx decks but I think its too dangerous because of the amount of Twin we're going to see.
OR do I just stop fighting the powers that be and sleeve up Junk Good Stuff and start turning Rhinos sideways?
I've been playing that exact Dickmann list and a few things:
1 - Huntmaster is great. People don't expect him and he eats removal like nobodies business. When I see someone pay 4 life for a dismember after I got a 2/2 body and 2 life, I'm a happy camper. I don't know that he's better than Thrun against control, but against aggro/midrange decks, Huntmaster is a big target, which takes the heat off the combo.
2 - BGx is still a tough matchup for this deck. The games can be tight but if they have two pieces of discard in the first three turns, you're going to be in bad shape, period.
3 - I'm tempted to try the UR Tempo Twin game because it just seems more consistent. Iw ant to run hate like Seas and Blood Moon and you just can't do that in RUG as our manabase is somewhat shaky too. I've definitely been locked out of games with a well positioned tec edge on the other side, locking me out of something (usually green or crpytic mana). I just feel like UR with more basics is safer.
Going back and forth between RUG and UR for Modern states in August.
Another surprising number from the bottom of the table is the laughable performance by Tron. Five players managed to make it through to Day Two, and they almost certainly did so by virtue of having done well in Limited. They ended up with records of 3-2, 3-2, 2-3, 2-3, and 2-3, totaling the lowest win percentage of any deck in the field. This is unsurprising considering the role of the deck in the format. Tron was always one of the checks and balances to Jund's dominance in the field, as it was one of the few decks that actually had a favorable match-up against Jund. Now that Jund is, shall we say...weaker, Tron has correspondingly gotten weaker. In addition, Tron's worst match-ups, the fast combo decks, actually got better with the decline of Jund. This combination appears to have resulted in Tron being a somewhat questionable choice for this event.
So, is this just speculation on the writer's part, or is it backed up by them actually seeing how the players did in Limited?
I mean, with the records listed, every played would have had to go 3-0 or 2-1 in limited at worst to make Day 2 with that kind of constructed record. No Limited player could have lost 2 games and made it with those records. The 2-3 records had to have gone 3-0 in limited to make Day 2.
Another surprising number from the bottom of the table is the laughable performance by Tron. Five players managed to make it through to Day Two, and they almost certainly did so by virtue of having done well in Limited. They ended up with records of 3-2, 3-2, 2-3, 2-3, and 2-3, totaling the lowest win percentage of any deck in the field. This is unsurprising considering the role of the deck in the format. Tron was always one of the checks and balances to Jund's dominance in the field, as it was one of the few decks that actually had a favorable match-up against Jund. Now that Jund is, shall we say...weaker, Tron has correspondingly gotten weaker. In addition, Tron's worst match-ups, the fast combo decks, actually got better with the decline of Jund. This combination appears to have resulted in Tron being a somewhat questionable choice for this event.
Lowest Win Percentage (of decks with more than one pilot):
after looking at the pro tour results id say that we need to gear too beat the decks that will be on the uprising to beat the current meta....
The problem is all of the PT T8 decks, aside from Pod, are rough matchups for us. Overall, the drop of Jund and the rise of Zoo and Twin is not good for Tron.
I'm trying to decide on a deck for Richmond. I'm a natural Tron player (been playing it 90% of the time for two years) but the meta just doesn't look good. I agree that Blue Moon just slows us down, but that deck runs a TON of counters, including 4x Spell Snare, so it REALLY can hurt our early ramp (counters Sylvan). I don't think it's as big a problem as Twin, which T8ed now, so we're sure to see more of it.
The deck can play through hate, T3 O-Stone into a T5 actication can deal with Blood Moon - we actually care way less about it, but between Storm's resurgence and Twin's continued prominence, I think we'll be poorly positioned in Richmond. The only deck we really hate on hard is Melira Pod. Besides that, every major meta deck has a decent match up against us - it's no longer the days of 60-70% of our matchups being 70/30 in our favor.
I like Tron, a lot, I just don't think the meta in two weeks is going to be very friendly in two weeks time. May have to make the audible back to UWR :\
This pro tour field looks brutal for Tron. Blue Moon and Amulet combo is gross against us, and you KNOW we'll see a ton of it in the early rounds of Richmond. Coupled with a for-sure Twin T8, Tron is looking like its hurting.
I'm still debating whether to play Tron or UWR Flash for Richmond. I'm tempted to play Tron, I want to play Tron, but there are just too many matchups we straight lose to and I don't like it.
Low and behold - SCG Invitational threw a wrench into the works when Tron took BOTH major events last weekend. Now folks are going to come packing hate that is really going to hinder my game plan.
In general, my go-to decks are RG Tron and URx Delver (Grixis recently, RUG historically).
My question is, how do you think the meta shifts to react to Tron's win and what will that shift cause the meta to be weak to? I think Grixis Twin is still a safe call. Burn is always safe, especially since Tron is one of its best match-ups. I think Bogles is a sleeper right now as well.
Thoughts? How do you think the meta adjusts this weekend, besides playing every Blood Moon ever printed somewhere in the 75?
UGH - I was planning to run Tron next weekend and have been busy Top 8ing local tournaments in prep. Dammit - why couldn't they wait a week to blow out this meta?
SCG DC is this weekend with a big modern event on Sunday, so we'll start seeing what it looks like soon. I'll be there and I don't have the damndest idea on what I want to play between Junk, Tron, or Twin.
RUG Twin has been my deck for the better part of the last year (shifted to it when I got sick of constantly losing to Twin as Tron), so I know it's good and resilient against discard. On the other hand, tuning UR Tempo Twin to hate on BGx for this weekend can be a silver bullet call. Tron will be great this weekend because it will stomp on BGx decks, although they'll come prepared for G2/G3 and LD out the wazoo. Also, I think Tron will be a bit dangerous with the amount of Twin I expect to see.
OR do I just stop fighting the powers that be and sleeve up Junk Good Stuff and start turning Rhinos sideways?
Thoughts?
So any thoughts on whether UR or RUG Twin is the way to go into the SCG DC meta, which will be packed with BGx?
RUG Twin has been my deck for the better part of the last year, so I know it's good and resilient against discard. On the other hand, tuning UR Tempo Twin to hate on BGx for this weekend can be a silver bullet call. Tron will be great this weekend because it will stomp on BGx decks but I think its too dangerous because of the amount of Twin we're going to see.
OR do I just stop fighting the powers that be and sleeve up Junk Good Stuff and start turning Rhinos sideways?
Thoughts?
Standard operating procedure for DQs at events like this. Believe HJ is essentially obligated to explain it publicly.
1 - Huntmaster is great. People don't expect him and he eats removal like nobodies business. When I see someone pay 4 life for a dismember after I got a 2/2 body and 2 life, I'm a happy camper. I don't know that he's better than Thrun against control, but against aggro/midrange decks, Huntmaster is a big target, which takes the heat off the combo.
2 - BGx is still a tough matchup for this deck. The games can be tight but if they have two pieces of discard in the first three turns, you're going to be in bad shape, period.
3 - I'm tempted to try the UR Tempo Twin game because it just seems more consistent. Iw ant to run hate like Seas and Blood Moon and you just can't do that in RUG as our manabase is somewhat shaky too. I've definitely been locked out of games with a well positioned tec edge on the other side, locking me out of something (usually green or crpytic mana). I just feel like UR with more basics is safer.
Going back and forth between RUG and UR for Modern states in August.
I mean, with the records listed, every played would have had to go 3-0 or 2-1 in limited at worst to make Day 2 with that kind of constructed record. No Limited player could have lost 2 games and made it with those records. The 2-3 records had to have gone 3-0 in limited to make Day 2.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/ptbng14/metagame_day2
Specifically:
Another surprising number from the bottom of the table is the laughable performance by Tron. Five players managed to make it through to Day Two, and they almost certainly did so by virtue of having done well in Limited. They ended up with records of 3-2, 3-2, 2-3, 2-3, and 2-3, totaling the lowest win percentage of any deck in the field. This is unsurprising considering the role of the deck in the format. Tron was always one of the checks and balances to Jund's dominance in the field, as it was one of the few decks that actually had a favorable match-up against Jund. Now that Jund is, shall we say...weaker, Tron has correspondingly gotten weaker. In addition, Tron's worst match-ups, the fast combo decks, actually got better with the decline of Jund. This combination appears to have resulted in Tron being a somewhat questionable choice for this event.
Lowest Win Percentage (of decks with more than one pilot):
Tron (2.4 wins 3-2, 2-3, 2-3, 2-3, 3-2)
The problem is all of the PT T8 decks, aside from Pod, are rough matchups for us. Overall, the drop of Jund and the rise of Zoo and Twin is not good for Tron.
The deck can play through hate, T3 O-Stone into a T5 actication can deal with Blood Moon - we actually care way less about it, but between Storm's resurgence and Twin's continued prominence, I think we'll be poorly positioned in Richmond. The only deck we really hate on hard is Melira Pod. Besides that, every major meta deck has a decent match up against us - it's no longer the days of 60-70% of our matchups being 70/30 in our favor.
I like Tron, a lot, I just don't think the meta in two weeks is going to be very friendly in two weeks time. May have to make the audible back to UWR :\
Thoughts?
I'm still debating whether to play Tron or UWR Flash for Richmond. I'm tempted to play Tron, I want to play Tron, but there are just too many matchups we straight lose to and I don't like it.