So this deck is just a lot of fun to play. It has some fun beat down plans. There is a small control element but it is mainly just counter spells that I really like and do something cool for me. I like the way this deck plays, I just wish it was a bit smoother. I don't know if that means that I need to add more mana rocks or if I need to add more draw in the deck. Help would be awesome.
It sounds like your friend is just someone who always want to have it their way. I have had to deal with someone like that before. It gets really draining. They eventually remove the fun from the game for you as well. Let him win a few games, and then complain in a really whiney tone about how the way he won was broken and un-fun. If he doesn't change after a few games like that, then cut your losses and just don't play EDH with him any more. You can still be friends though, just don't introduce the friendship to such a toxic environment.
I'm a huge fan of Debtors' Knell. Late game, it offers some pretty great value. I'm also irrationally fond of Debt to the Deathless. Not saying it fits in this deck, but I like it as a late game finisher. Same with Necromancer's Covenant.
Well, I already do run Debtors' Knell. The other cards don't really fit the theme, but would fit the theme if this was more of an extort deck.
So I made some cuts to make this deck less than $50 again and I took some of the advice I was given here. I have to thank you guys a lot for your suggestions.
So Eternal Witness just got too expensive for the deck, as did wound reflection. The mender allows me to get the cards that I care most about getting back, so it is a cheap replacement. Buried alive is a great addition, especially since I am adding in the Devourer as well.
@Fonzi: Corpsejack Menace could be great. Do you have any idea for cuts? I am not a huge fan of Solidarity of heroes, as it seems really situational.
Yeah. So Phyrexian Devourer has two abilities. One is an activated ability and one is a triggered. You can activate the ability, have Phyrexian Devourer's power go to seven, and put the sacrifice trigger on the stack. Then, you can respond to the sac trigger by repeatedly activating and resolving the activated ability. Still before you have to sac it, you can activate Jarad to burn the table for the total mana cost of your library.
I highly suggest you check out the primer linked in my signature.
Hmmm. I didn't know that you could do that. Interesting. So I guess I do need to add that card to the deck. Now to make the cuts.
Uh, Phyrexian Devourer combos with your commander...
Can you explain? I mean exiling the card is kind of a nonbo, but is there a stacking thing where I can put the effect on the stack a bunch of times and wait for the last one to resolve so I could thing sack it to Jarad and have everyone lose a lot of life? If so, then yes, please explain to me how it works so that I could use it. Your help will be much appreciated.
Also, then I need to cut more cards from the deck, and at some point it may not be possible to add all these dollar cards.
If you're playing the Necrotic Ooze combo, Buried Alive is a must.
Wow, how did I miss that? Now that I am thinking about it, I should probably also have Jarad's Orders in the deck.
Do you have any idea for cuts from the deck that are around the mid-price of the cheapest buried alive on TCGplayer? I love that card and can't believe that I forgot about it!
Void Maw is just bad, Avatar of Woe is cheap and great and Exquisite blood is mostly a combo piece with sanguine bond both of which you should likely run unless morally opposed to combo or something. Speaking of which have you though about the triskelion/phyrexian devourer/necrotic ooze combo
I thought it would be a card that would be decent at getting cheap pumps for little cost. I can see why it would be considered garbage though. It is from coldsnap. Lol.
So Exquisite Blood also works with Jarad's ability, not just as a combo piece with Sanguine Bond. That is why the card is up for consideration, but sadly it is probably too expensive for the deck. Also I am not opposed to combo as you can see in the deck already. Also sanguine bond would pretty much just be in the deck for Exquisite blood.
So phyrexian devourer is not the best. It doesn't really have any utility outside the combo. Quillspike on the other hand has utility outside being a combo piece as it can give me more sacs out of persist creatures in the deck (for which I only have two currently). Also, when I was first thinking up this deck, black sun's zenith was in the deck instead of decree of pain. Another issue with the devourer is the cost. I think that some of the other cards that in that price range are much better for the deck in more situations than just to combo.
Thank you for the suggestions though. I had considered them too, this was just the logic I used to justify cuts and stuff.
So I decided that I wanted to make a cheap EDH deck. Most of my other decks have an unlimited budget, so I decided to come up with a restrictive budget. I was also motivated to do this as it may help other, younger people, who are just starting the game, to look at the format, and see that you can make a good deck, that isn't just one of those 99 lands and general decks.
So to make the deck, I took the mid-price on tcg player for each card, other than basic lands. For basic lands, I valued them at $0.03 each. I did this, because if one is trying to buy basic lands, one would buy them in bulk, unless they are buying the rarer basics (judge promo, un-basics). I found them sold in many places for at about $0.03 a land for bulk. I built the deck a on 6/24/15. Boy has inflation messed up this deck :(. It now costs 59.14.
I would love to hear any suggestions that you guys and gals may have for changes. I am sure that this deck can be better with the budget I have set for this deck. At this point, since I don't want to dedicate my time to figuring out if prices inflate, and I need to change stuff up, Make sure the addition costs as much or less than the card you want to suggest adding. If you don't know a cut, keep the price of the card to $0.50 or less. Yes, there are a few cards in the deck that cost more than that, but a large majority of the cards cost much less than that.
Other than that the deck is really cool. I personally don't know if it is any good yet, as I just built it July 8th, 2015. So without further delay, here is the deck.
I agree with going heavy black then. I have a mono black oona deck that is basically combo. I think making it more aggro would be interesting, and that addition of cards like Laceny and bident of thassa are awesome. Dire Undercurrents is also a card that I would suggest you run, like I do in mine. Now you have me wanting to change up my deck a little.
1x Vorel of the Hull Clade
Land
5x Forest
1x Mosswort Bridge
1x Hickory Woodlot
1x Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
1x Llanowar Reborn
11x Island
1x Minamo, School at Water’s Edge
1x Saprazzan Skerry
1x Temple of Mystery
1x Breeding Pool
1x Command Tower
1x Tropical Island
1x Simic Growth Chamber
1x Flooded Grove
1x Yavimaya Coat
1x Hinterland Harbor
1x Lumbering Falls
1x Thornwood Falls
1x Simic Guildgate
1x Reliquary Tower
1x Mirrorpool
1x Blighted Woodland
1x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1x Temple of the False God
Creature
1x Kiora’s Follower
1x Den Protector
1x Simic Manipulator
1x Plaxcaster Frogling
1x Eternal Witness
1x Thasa, God of the Sea
1x Champion of Labholt
1x Chasm Skulker
1x Managorger Hydra
1x Oracle of Mul Daya
1x Cytoplast Manipulator
1x Forgotten Ancient
1x Venser, Shaper Savant
1x Master Biomancer
1x Fathom Mage
1x Clever Impersonator
1x Spike Weaver
1x Phyrexian Metamorph
1x Viral Drake
1x Fatesticher
1x Seedborn Muse
1x Kalonian Hydra
1x Consecrated Sphinx
1x Draining Whelk
1x Progenitor Mimic
1x Greenwarden of Murasa
1x Myyojin of Seeing Winds
1x Hangerback Walker
1x Hooded Hydra
1x Everflowing Chalice
1x Sol Ring
1x Illusionist’s Bracers
1x Swiftfoot Boots
1x Rings of Brightearth’
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Staff of Domination
1x Magistrate’s Scepter
1x Thousand-Year Elixir
1x Darksteel Reactor
1x Contagion Engine
1x Astral Cornucopia
Planeswalker
1x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1x Kiora, Master of the Depths
1x Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
1x Karn Liberated
Enchantment
1x Sylvan Library
1x Doubling Season
1x Primeval Bounty
1x Mana Reflection
1x Mind Over Matter
Sorcery
1x Time Stretch
Instant
1x Mana Drain
1x Cyclonic Rift
1x Void Slime
1x Scatter to the Winds
1x Beast Within
1x Cryptic Command
1x Plasm Capture
1x Desertion
1x Spelljack
+ High Market
+ Phyrexian Tower
+ Orzhov Guildgate
+ Sifter of Skulls
+ Soul Warden
+ Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim
+ Kami of False Hope
+ Fleshbag Marauder
+ Zulaport Cutthroat
+ Emeria Shepherd
+ Yosei, the Morning Star
+ Soul’s Attendant
+ Eight-and-a-Halt-Tails
I also really like Erebos, God of the Dead.
- Grim Haruspex
- Soul of innestrad
- Mother of Runes
- Phyrexian Arena
- Swamp
- Orzhov Guildgate
+ Liliana, Heretical Healer
+ Geth, Lord of the Vault
+ Archangel of Tithes
+ Mortuary Mire
+ Shambling Vent
- Eternal Witness (too expensive)
- Wound Reflection (too expensive)
- Ashnod's altar
+ Pharika's Mender
+ Buried Alive
+ Phyrexian Devourer
So Eternal Witness just got too expensive for the deck, as did wound reflection. The mender allows me to get the cards that I care most about getting back, so it is a cheap replacement. Buried alive is a great addition, especially since I am adding in the Devourer as well.
@Fonzi: Corpsejack Menace could be great. Do you have any idea for cuts? I am not a huge fan of Solidarity of heroes, as it seems really situational.
Hmmm. I didn't know that you could do that. Interesting. So I guess I do need to add that card to the deck. Now to make the cuts.
Can you explain? I mean exiling the card is kind of a nonbo, but is there a stacking thing where I can put the effect on the stack a bunch of times and wait for the last one to resolve so I could thing sack it to Jarad and have everyone lose a lot of life? If so, then yes, please explain to me how it works so that I could use it. Your help will be much appreciated.
Also, then I need to cut more cards from the deck, and at some point it may not be possible to add all these dollar cards.
Wow, how did I miss that? Now that I am thinking about it, I should probably also have Jarad's Orders in the deck.
Do you have any idea for cuts from the deck that are around the mid-price of the cheapest buried alive on TCGplayer? I love that card and can't believe that I forgot about it!
I thought it would be a card that would be decent at getting cheap pumps for little cost. I can see why it would be considered garbage though. It is from coldsnap. Lol.
So Exquisite Blood also works with Jarad's ability, not just as a combo piece with Sanguine Bond. That is why the card is up for consideration, but sadly it is probably too expensive for the deck. Also I am not opposed to combo as you can see in the deck already. Also sanguine bond would pretty much just be in the deck for Exquisite blood.
So phyrexian devourer is not the best. It doesn't really have any utility outside the combo. Quillspike on the other hand has utility outside being a combo piece as it can give me more sacs out of persist creatures in the deck (for which I only have two currently). Also, when I was first thinking up this deck, black sun's zenith was in the deck instead of decree of pain. Another issue with the devourer is the cost. I think that some of the other cards that in that price range are much better for the deck in more situations than just to combo.
Thank you for the suggestions though. I had considered them too, this was just the logic I used to justify cuts and stuff.
So to make the deck, I took the mid-price on tcg player for each card, other than basic lands. For basic lands, I valued them at $0.03 each. I did this, because if one is trying to buy basic lands, one would buy them in bulk, unless they are buying the rarer basics (judge promo, un-basics). I found them sold in many places for at about $0.03 a land for bulk. I built the deck a on 6/24/15. Boy has inflation messed up this deck :(. It now costs 59.14.
I would love to hear any suggestions that you guys and gals may have for changes. I am sure that this deck can be better with the budget I have set for this deck. At this point, since I don't want to dedicate my time to figuring out if prices inflate, and I need to change stuff up, Make sure the addition costs as much or less than the card you want to suggest adding. If you don't know a cut, keep the price of the card to $0.50 or less. Yes, there are a few cards in the deck that cost more than that, but a large majority of the cards cost much less than that.
Other than that the deck is really cool. I personally don't know if it is any good yet, as I just built it July 8th, 2015. So without further delay, here is the deck.
1x Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Lands
13x Forest
16x Swamp
1x Golgari Guildgate
1x Jungle Hollow
1x Tainted Wood
1x Golgari Rot-Farm
1x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Evolving Wilds
1x Jund Panorama
1x Temple of the False God
1x Svogthos, the Restless TOmb
1x Transguild Promenade
1x Rupture Spire
Creatures
1x Carrion Feeder
1x Scute Mob
1x Sakura Tribe-Elder
1x Devoted Druid
1x Fleshbag Marauder
1x Merciless Executioner
1x Stinkweed Imp
1x Bloodflow Connoisseur
1x Quillspike
1x Eternal Witness
1x Flesh Carver
1x Nighthowler
1x Scavenger Drake
1x Reaper of the Wilds
1x Algae Gharial
1x Mortivore
1x Falkenrath Noble
1x Necrotic Ooze
1x Disciple of Bolas
1x Lumberknot
1x Lhurgoyf
1x Crypt Ghast
1x Drakestown Forgotten
1x Vulturous Zombie
1x Swarm of Bloodflies
1x Puppeteer Clique
1x Phyrexian Delver
1x Heroes' Bane
1x Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief
1x Sidisi, Undead Vizer
1x Chainer, Dementia Master
1x Nemesis of Mortals
1x Harvester of Souls
1x Steel Hellkite
1x Multani, Maro-Sorcerer
1x Butcher of Malakir
1x Mossbridge Troll
1x Terastodon
1x Woodfall Primus
1x Phyrexian Reclamation
1x Whip of Erebos
1x Palace Siege
1x Dictate of Erebos
1x Dawn of the Dead
1x Wound Reflection
1x Death's Presence
1x Deadbridge Chant
1x Grave Betrayal
Artifacts
1x Sigil of Distinction
1x Sol Ring
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Ashnod's Altar
1x Mimic Vat
1x Bonehoard
Instants
1x Putrefy
1x Krosan Grip
Sorceries
1x Victimize
1x Profane Command
1x Decree of pain
Some cards that I would like to add, but have no idea if they would be good or able to be added given the price of them:
1x Exquisite Blood
1x Avatar of Woe