Main idea is to use the mana accel of colorless to get a jump on them and then slow them down while i beat them with Lodestone Golem or putt them with Cursed Scroll.
my friend used Helm of Awkening rather than Etherium Sculptor. The other players get its perk too but it is also more versital and helps you with ur other spells rather than just your combo.
So i have been thinking about easing my way into legacy for a while now and im starting to make the transition. i myself am use to a group of friends playing casual, running stuff like 4x Sol Rings in a deck for the hell of it. i talked with a friend of mine and we decided an artifact control deck that i might enjoy. i want to slowly make this competitve over a while so any and all input would be helpful. i know there are specific decks that pwn on the comeptive play, but id like to just ease into it with this deck.
What im thinking is slow them down, beat them with Factory, Myr, Golem while i slow them down with everything else. Cursed Scroll more for creature control than anything, and the rest is rather obvious. and when i get around to it im thinking of picking up some Crucible of Worlds to toss in so i can Wasteland some peoples decks to hell. so there is that, lay it on me.
So i was wondering if CMC on the card in some ones hand or already on the battlefield is effected by Thorn of Amethyst or Trinisphere. like say i have some random creature in my hand, lets say Ornithopter, is the CMC 0 really 3? or say Ornithopter was on the battlefield, would its actual CMC be 3 because of Trinisphere, or if Thorn of Amethyst was out with Trinisphere would it be 4?
so i am going to be in a budget vintage tournement and i have put together a crap deck that could be competitive enough along the lines of the deck im about to post. no power nine and anything goes as long as it is twenty and under for me. i know it wont be verry good in the tourney, but i just want it to stand a chance for a few rounds maybe. here it is.
Basiclly use discard and fast artifact mana excel to get down to one card and abuse cursed scroll. i know it is not that competitive so dont say it wont work that well cuz i already know that. i just want a few pointers if possible to put me in the right direction.
i have been agonizing over this for months. there are two cards that have been deemed crap by a lot of people i talk to, and i have looked at it from every possible angle and i feel i am missing something.
i know they have probably been looked at to death before, but i challenge anyone to come up with a deck that utilizes either of them well enough in a creative way. it does not have to be a competitive way of using them, but the more so the better in my opinion.
i myself have pared Mana Cache with Mana Barbs together to create a damned if you do damned if you dont kinda thing, but i feel it can be utilized for something more than that. any big combos anyone knows of that can use it.
also, Thran Turbine i feel has more potential than just an upkeep helper for bigger cards. maybe some cool ways it could be used for free abilities. i always thought it would be cool with Karn, Silver Golem to make a Thran Dynamo into a 4/4 for free or something of the like.
any ideas would be awsome. as i said before i have looked at these cards and researched them and came up with nothing. i just feel i am missing something obviouse that some one could point out other than these are obviously crap cards for competitive play.
if you are going artifacts, there is a fun mana base i use with my "no-limits" constructed group. 4 of each of these and i interchange them between decks because they are so powerful and useful.
there are others like Grim Monolith and Basal Monolith that can make infinte colorless with Power Artifact on them, and then another fun one i greatly enjoy using is Metalworkers, though the poor little guys get picked off asap now that my friends know how powerful they are. and any deck with artifacts that tap for abilities needs Voltaic Keys. i know a lot of these cards are extreamly expensive, but i thought id just open ur mind up to a nice mana base for artifacts
i myself steer clear of colors compleatly usually. i am a hardcoar artifact player. sol ring and Mana Vault FTW. but when it comes to three colors, it all depends on how competitive your friends/group are and how well you build your deck. and it also depends on the colors you use of cource.
Ashnod's Altar is always a fun card in gravepact decks. i have a mono-black one i run, that is not all that good, but still fun to play with in multiplayer. here is the deck list.
4x Lodestone Golem
4x Metalworker
Artifacts
2x Crucible of Worlds
2x Energy Chamber
2x Trinisphere
4x Smokestack
4x Cursed Scroll
4x Chalice of the Void
4x Grim Monolith
4x Voltaic Key
4x Mox Diamond
2x Lotus Petal
2x Thran Dynamo
4x Rishadan Port
4x Wasteland
4x City of Traitors
4x Mishra's Facory
2x Ancient Tomb
Main idea is to use the mana accel of colorless to get a jump on them and then slow them down while i beat them with Lodestone Golem or putt them with Cursed Scroll.
Edit: i would like to keep this legacy legal.
Chatter of the Squirrel
Acorn Harvest
Squirrel Mob
Deranged Hermit
Nut Collector
Squirrel Nest
Squirrel Wrangler
Krosan Beast
there are some other enchantments that can pop out a few squirrels but those are the big ones that are run in a squirrel deck.
4x Lodestone Golem
4x Lodestone Myr
Spells
4x Duress
4x Chalice of the Void
4x Trinisphere
4x Curse Scroll
4x Voltaic Key
4x Energy Chamber
1x Scroll Rack
3x Smokestack
2x Null Brooch
2x Grim Monolith
4x Mishra's Factory
4x City of Traitors
4x Wasteland
2x Ancient Tomb
8x Swamp
What im thinking is slow them down, beat them with Factory, Myr, Golem while i slow them down with everything else. Cursed Scroll more for creature control than anything, and the rest is rather obvious. and when i get around to it im thinking of picking up some Crucible of Worlds to toss in so i can Wasteland some peoples decks to hell. so there is that, lay it on me.
4x Mindless Automaton
4x Metal Workers
2x Masticore
Spells
4x Cursed Scroll
4x Rings of Brighthearth
4x Voltaic Key
4x Sculpting Steel
4x Thran Dynamo
4x Thran Turbine
4x Oath of Scholars
2x Fabricate
1x Tinker
1x Sol Ring
1x Mana Vault
1x Lotus Petal
1x Scroll Rack
2x City of Traitors
9x Island
Basiclly use discard and fast artifact mana excel to get down to one card and abuse cursed scroll. i know it is not that competitive so dont say it wont work that well cuz i already know that. i just want a few pointers if possible to put me in the right direction.
Edit: had to tag cards
Mana Cache and Thran Turbine
i know they have probably been looked at to death before, but i challenge anyone to come up with a deck that utilizes either of them well enough in a creative way. it does not have to be a competitive way of using them, but the more so the better in my opinion.
i myself have pared Mana Cache with Mana Barbs together to create a damned if you do damned if you dont kinda thing, but i feel it can be utilized for something more than that. any big combos anyone knows of that can use it.
also, Thran Turbine i feel has more potential than just an upkeep helper for bigger cards. maybe some cool ways it could be used for free abilities. i always thought it would be cool with Karn, Silver Golem to make a Thran Dynamo into a 4/4 for free or something of the like.
any ideas would be awsome. as i said before i have looked at these cards and researched them and came up with nothing. i just feel i am missing something obviouse that some one could point out other than these are obviously crap cards for competitive play.
there are others like Grim Monolith and Basal Monolith that can make infinte colorless with Power Artifact on them, and then another fun one i greatly enjoy using is Metalworkers, though the poor little guys get picked off asap now that my friends know how powerful they are. and any deck with artifacts that tap for abilities needs Voltaic Keys. i know a lot of these cards are extreamly expensive, but i thought id just open ur mind up to a nice mana base for artifacts
20x Swamp
2x Peat Bog
Spells
4x Demonic Tutor
2x Soul Net
4x Ashnod's Altar
4x Grave Pact
4x Disturbed Burial
2x Culling the Weak
4x Abyssal Gatekeeper
4x Basal Thrull
4x Phyrexian Ghoul
4x Gravedigger
2x Carrion Feeder
2x Blood Pet
2x Festering Goblin
2x Fallen Angel
Edit:the more i looked at it, the more i relizied that this is an older deck listing of what it was before i re-vamped it. aw well, hope it helps.