Nizzahon (a budget deck YouTube guy) had a pretty nice UW Skies decklist. (Video)
Aggro-control seems reasonable placed for budget right now. A little bit of countermagic for planeswalkers or boardsweep. A little bounce for the +1/+1 counters.
What would you adjust? It sure would be nice to be able to turn on Topplegeist's delirium in the late game. But there's not much in the way of enchantments or artifacts to help here. Vessel of Ephemera? Pilgrim's Eye? Hangarback Walker is probably the only good card that would help.
This deck is a little more problematic. It has Jace, Vryn Worth Its Weight in Gold - whatever. But Relentless Dead ($10+) does so much in this deck - does the deck even run without it?
Not an awe-inspiring list. I also feel like a second big threat is needed. Maybe Icefall Regent, who would be great to cast after picking it back up.
Maybe I should think about a 2nd color instead of the colorless. White - Crush is opposite of white's best removal. UR shell that resets the board for the last few points of damage? Green that adds ramp?
Love to hear what you think about this maybe exciting card.
Starting to wonder a lot about Sylvan Advocate. Kind of card high budget decks never look at, but synergy with lower budget strategies.
1G, Creature — Elf Druid Ally, 2 / 3, Vigilance, As long as you control six or more lands, Sylvan Advocate and land creatures you control get +2/+2.
Bant or Naya allies, RG landfall. Late game it's a 4/5 vigilance. Early game blocks like a champ. Ability is cumulative... what do you think? Running 2.75 presale.
Full spoiler means it's time for one of my favorites - thinking about budget buys from the new set. So most of these cards will be cheaper in a month, but what are the rares to buy now, the sleeper mythics, the uncommons that will cost $3, the commons to build around? Share your insight with the forum!
This deck would be able to win with the Sovereign's win condition. The landbase is nonbudget, of course, but the fetches are mostly for the retreat landfall, so maybe you could duplicate with Evolving Wilds and Blighted Woodland, and/or a few Explosive Vegetation. I would run that Mastery of the Unseen over the Nissa's Renewal, I think. Seems perfect here.
I think I'd make that a different deck, but it sure would be some nuttiness. Had to reread Descent (becoming the theme of this thread for me) to make sure it was target and not target you control. Could run Rolling Thunder as well. Maybe with a UR Thopter/Scion theme for Dragon wanna-bes.
Curious as to what a good side would be, plus competitive budget additions. 4 Revelations is a lot, but that's what finds you Descent if you don't have it. Whisperwood Elemental maybe for wipe protection, and not even bad with the Descent?
I was just thinking about posting a deck like this in colors but different in principle. More creature based. I shy away from 3 color budget decks, but there's real reason to go three color for life shenanigans.
I saw this deck on reddit, from u/iamnotanerd. (Not likely.) Checks in at $116, but has things like Den Protector side.
Stampeding Wildebeest - full on Johnny+Timmy card. 5 power for 4 mana - great in the day - and you can turn the disadvantage around with synergy. Eternal Witness' best friend.
Aggro-control seems reasonable placed for budget right now. A little bit of countermagic for planeswalkers or boardsweep. A little bounce for the +1/+1 counters.
1x Bygone Bishop
4x Dimensional Infiltrator
4x Rattlechains
4x Reflector Mage
2x Silumgar Sorcerer
4x Stratus Dancer
4x Thunderclap Wyvern
4x Topplegeist
4x Evolving Wilds
6x Island
6x Plains
4x Port Town
4x Prairie Stream
Instant (5)
3x Negate
2x Ojutai's Command
Enchantment (4)
4x Always Watching
2x Bygone Bishop
1x Encase in Ice
2x Felidar Cub
2x Hallowed Moonlight
1x Horribly Awry
1x Negate
3x Silkwrap
1x Silumgar Sorcerer
2x Vryn Wingmare
What would you adjust? It sure would be nice to be able to turn on Topplegeist's delirium in the late game. But there's not much in the way of enchantments or artifacts to help here. Vessel of Ephemera? Pilgrim's Eye? Hangarback Walker is probably the only good card that would help.
Melissa de Tora had a good start on each today.
2 Indulgent Aristocrat
4 Falkenrath Gorger
4 Asylum Visitor
4 Olivia's Bloodswarn
4 Heir of Falkenrath
3 Incorrigible Youths
3 Ravenous Bloodseeker
Sorcery (4)
2 Avacyn's Judgment
2 Murderous Compulsion
4 Fiery Temper
Enchantment (5)
3 Call the Bloodline
2 Stensia Masquerade
Land (23)
7 Mountain
4 Smoldering Marsh
4 Foreboding Ruins
6 Swamp
2 Blighted Fen
3 Malevolent Whiapers
3 Lightning Axe
3 Complete Disregard
3 Transgress the Mind
3 Ruinous Path
Surprisingly from her list, only the new Olivia, Mobilized for War (such a weird epithet) is too pricey.
What about Skeleton Key in this deck?
Those 2s are usually a sign to me I should cut/SB one and make another a 4of.
Zombies:
4 Shambling Goblin
4 Screeching Skaab
3 Prized Amalgam
4 Diregraf Colossus
3 Fleshbag Marauder
3 Nantuko Husk
3 Geralf's Masterpiece
3 Forgotten Creation
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Dragonlord Silumgar
3 Ruinous Path
Instant (4)
2 Epiphany at the Drownyard
2 Grasp of Darkness
Mana (26)
3 Corrupted Grafstone
4 Sunken Hollow
4 Choked Estuary
3 Evolving Wilds
1 Rogue's Passage
8 Swamp
3 Island
This deck is a little more problematic. It has Jace, Vryn Worth Its Weight in Gold - whatever. But Relentless Dead ($10+) does so much in this deck - does the deck even run without it?
What about a Corpseweft- Risen Executioner package?
This deck is really jammed at the 3 mana spot. I added the grafstones for that. Other ideas?
Thanks for any input!
2 Crush of Tentacles
4 Duress
2 Ruinous Path
4 Transgress the Mind
1 Treasure Cruise
Instant (14)
2 Anticipate
2 Dig Through Time
2 Dispel
2 Disperse
1 Empty the Pits
2 Grasp of Darkness
3 Silumgar's Command
4 Demonic Pact
3 Oath of Jace
Land (26)
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Dismal Backwater
4 Flooded Strand
4 Island
4 Polluted Delta
2 Sunken Hollow
5 Swamp
2 Dispel
2 Flaying Tendrils
2 Infinite Obliteration
2 Languish
2 Negate
2 Ob Nixilis Reignited
1 Shifting Loyalties
2 Ultimate Price
So the manabase isn't budget, of course, but the rest is. Demonic Pact! Brilliant idea.
Great effect, but we definitely want Surge, so challenging to build around. Where's Quicken when you need it?
Defense: Blinding Drone, Benthic Infiltrator, Thought Harvester
Mana generators: Hedron Crawler, Seer's Lantern
Enable surge: Prophet of Distortion, Ojutai's Breath, Clutch of Currents, Rush of Ice, Sidisi's Faithful, Stubborn Denial, Warping Wail
Not an awe-inspiring list. I also feel like a second big threat is needed. Maybe Icefall Regent, who would be great to cast after picking it back up.
Maybe I should think about a 2nd color instead of the colorless. White - Crush is opposite of white's best removal. UR shell that resets the board for the last few points of damage? Green that adds ramp?
Love to hear what you think about this maybe exciting card.
1G, Creature — Elf Druid Ally, 2 / 3, Vigilance, As long as you control six or more lands, Sylvan Advocate and land creatures you control get +2/+2.
Bant or Naya allies, RG landfall. Late game it's a 4/5 vigilance. Early game blocks like a champ. Ability is cumulative... what do you think? Running 2.75 presale.
Uncommons I'm curious about include: Embodiment of Fury and Embodiment of Insight, Spatial Contortion and Warping Wail (best bets for uncommon price spike), Flayer Drone, Voidshatter, Flaying Tendrils, and Essence Depleter.
Cohort and support are more of limited abilities to me, but the budget Eldrazi stuff seems so good this set. Also the case from BFZ.
What do you think?
5 Decks had this WG lifegain deck which seems close to your intentions:
4 Felidar Sovereign
4 Herald of the Pantheon
1 Oblivion Sower
Spells (24)
1 Evolutionary Leap
4 From Beyond
3 Retreat to Emeria
4 Retreat to Kazandu
4 Silkwrap
4 Stasis Snare
3 Secure the Wastes
1 Nissa's Renewal
3 Forest
4 Plains
4 Blighted Steppe
4 Canopy Vista
4 Flooded Strand
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Jaddi Offshoot
3 Oblivion Sower
1 Citadel Siege
3 Mastery of the Unseen
3 Quarantine Field
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
This deck would be able to win with the Sovereign's win condition. The landbase is nonbudget, of course, but the fetches are mostly for the retreat landfall, so maybe you could duplicate with Evolving Wilds and Blighted Woodland, and/or a few Explosive Vegetation. I would run that Mastery of the Unseen over the Nissa's Renewal, I think. Seems perfect here.
Does the blue do enough to justify the splash? Why not just get the mono white perks?
The deck designer plays the siege for both modes; Khans when digging, dragons when ready to go.
4 Leaf Gilder
4 Rattleclaw Mystic
4 Whisperer of the Wilds
4 Outnumber
4 Dragon Fodder
4 Hordeling Outburst
4 Outpost Siege
4 Shamanic Revelation
4 Descent of the Dragons
10 Forest
14 Mountain
Curious as to what a good side would be, plus competitive budget additions. 4 Revelations is a lot, but that's what finds you Descent if you don't have it. Whisperwood Elemental maybe for wipe protection, and not even bad with the Descent?
How do you think we could entice people to here?
I saw this deck on reddit, from u/iamnotanerd. (Not likely.) Checks in at $116, but has things like Den Protector side.
4x Ally Encampment
4x Canopy Vista
2x Forest
3x Mortuary Mire
2x Plains
2x Sandsteppe Citadel
3x Sandstone Bridge
2x Swamp
Creature (24)
4x Bloodbond Vampire
3x Brutal Hordechief
4x Drana's Emissary
3x Felidar Sovereign
4x Serene Steward
3x Siege Rhino
3x Zulaport Cutthroat
2x Palace Siege
2x Retreat to Hagra
2x Retreat to Kazandu
Instant (6)
2x Awaken the Bear
2x Feat of Resistance
2x Valorous Stance
Sorcery (2)
2x Ondu Rising
3x Den Protector
2x Feed the Clan
3x Shape the Sands
3x Surge of Righteousness
I like the enchantments and synergy.
So maybe:
2x Forest
2x Plains
2x Swamp
2x Mortuary Mire
3x Jungle Hollow
3x Blossoming Sands
3x Scoured Barrens
4x Sandsteppe Citadel
4x Evolving Wilds
Creature (26)
3x Warden of the First Tree
4x Serene Steward
4x Zulaport Cutthroat
4x Beastcaller Savant
4x Drana's Emissary
3x Brutal Hordechief
2x Bloodbond Vampire
3x Siege Rhino
1x Felidar Sovereign
2x Palace Siege
3x Retreat to Kazandu
Instant (4)
4x Valorous Stance
3x Surge of Righteousness
3x Feat of Resistance
3x Abzan Charm
3x Duress
3x Utter End
Wondering about Jaddi Offshoot, Kalastria Healer, Bloodcursed Knight and Sunscorch Regent. Is this just better off as an Abzan Rally deck? I have one Drana and one Gideon, Ally I'd probably shoehorn in.
Ideas? @TheJord1 sorry if this is too far off topic.