Quote from MRHblue »As a person who does not think T+N should be banned (currently) I get this position. My immediate reaction was 'Sure there are', and then proceeded to search and find nothing. Now a Kiki as General into Zealous is close since one can be had anytime you have mana, but thats as close as I got.
There are actually so many of these cards that they've earned their own name - "1-card combos". They include Hermit Druid, Survival of the Fittest, Ad Nauseam, Doomsday, and possibly a few others that I'm neglecting to remember. I don't see why discussion should begin with the one that costs the most mana, rather than the ones that cost the least.
Quote from Taleran »Sure T&N wins out of nothing but it also falls down to removal as much ore more than any card in the game.
Now, there's why the ones that cost the most mana are less of a problem. If you are sitting across from a BUG deck with T&N combo finishes, and you're in a playgroup that doesn't mind such things, then you have until they get to 9 mana to find an Instant to interact with that. And, it can be pretty much any Instant. Sure, one counterspell is a blowout. But also just run anything that can kill a creature. Nuke Mike when the Undying trigger is on the stack. Nuke Palinchron when it's ETB is still on the stack, same with Kikki. If they spend the first few turns fishing for Boseju or some other card that prevents Instant speed interaction, you can exploit the compact, less-efficient nature of that deck by running more efficient combo's. Or if your group leans more toward Control, then start running graveyard-based combo's like Karmic-Lark or Living Death where any answers without graveyard exile to back them up will only delay the process. If you are going to play combo, welcome to the world of combo. Enjoy it.
Now, if we are going to look at 1-card combo's for being too efficient and compact, the crusade should start with Survival. The only window of disruption that really presents is when you finally for it, and even then, the ability to tutor back in the deck recursion means you only delayed the combo. It also shares the same overlap with T&N in that Timmy is just going to run it out and think it's cool, without necessarily having to hone the strategy in order for it to be imbalanced. Just an absurd card that is rightly banned everywhere else.