MTG Salvation

Quote from Sabett

Those are the costs?!?@#?! One red?

I believe the first one is real, especially for this set. You can't target players, so it doesn't have as much utility as lightning bolt. It is also perfect to kill almost every wall in the set, as they all seem to have 4 damage.

The second one I believe as well, as they've stated getting rid of the Eldrazi Spawn tokens as a major focus of removal.

Quote from LSK

The type line is heavily mis-set. I call fake.

You are absolutely right. Whatever this card is, it didn't come from Wizards of the Coast.

The block symbol touches the top of the type box, the kerning is off, and the typeface is off. I worked as a graphic designer for years, so I know when typefaces don't match up. It's close though. The text is also distorted in certain areas.

It may, however, just be someone typing in known info to a card creator, which would explain all of this.

Awesome card.

Quote from Sene

I usually don't get these comments while playing, and when I do I just find it hilarious. I normally just respond with a smily when people start flaming me.

I'm admitting this for the first time now: There are a couple of guys on Modo that I stalk. I have them buddied up, and when I see they're online, I watch their replays when I have spare time between rounds. I then print screen all their whining, and copy it into a rapidly growing collage I have. This amuses me to no end, I guess I'm just totally crazy.

I used to take offense from this as well, but after a while I just found it laughable. I think you should just try to not bother, and see the humor in it. After all, your opponent is crying over losing a game of Magic.

Now, I absolutely agree that it is a problem. But Wizards are too afraid of losing money to ban players for this. So as long as Wizards don't care, I think you can't do anything but try to ignore it as best as you can.

PS: I have a fantastic Modo flame war on my computer, PM me if you want to see, I don't want to openly post it.

You need to post it to the Something Awful forums. It sounds perfect for the Comedy Goldmine.

Quote from False God

Destroying the One Ring didn't destroy Sauron, it destroyed his last physical link to the world of Middle Earth. Sauron's original body had been destroyed some millennia earlier, but being a not-entirely corporeal being to start with, after a while he made himself a new one. He did this a couple of times actually.

Anyway, I think MTG has jumped on and off the shark, already, but I don't think that makes it all downhill. I think that just means MTG's got some good points and some bad points.

This is true. If you read The Hobbit, it is heavily hinted at that 'the Necromancer' in Mirkwood was Sauron trapped in incorporeal form.

As far as Magic jumping the Shark, I have two:
1.) Nicol Bolas is Ugin. I can even see the story, where while he was trapped in the void he became a colorless spirit dragon to venture out.
2.) Revisiting the Weatherlight Saga or Urza. There is just too much complexity there for new players to care, and the newer characters and planeswalkers are what provide the draw. The story should stay finished after Time Spiral, with the exception of a few characters you don't need to know much about, like Bolas. Ancient evil is always ancient evil, regardless of back story, so he works. Reference are fine, but don't go retreading such a long and complex story. As much as I'd love to see Squee, Planestumbler.

The time frame is right for it to be a reference to 'the Seeker', the title bestowed upon the main character from the Sword of Truth books. I doubt it though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard%27s_First_Rule

Quote from Red Archon

It would be odd to print this alongside Terramorphic, except for limited, but it would help carry it over once M10 rotated.

Maybe it will also have TAP: add 1 to your mana pool? Would make it better later in the game.

With our luck they will just reprint Terminal Moraine. While not a bad card, the kind of card you suggested sounds better.

This seems like the worst set out there for a Vendetta reprint. With all the defender cards and huge creatures, I feel that just using one will cost you the game.

I still have the champion deck from 1999, where vendetta and flametongue kavu cleared the path for a win, but I'm not sure how useful this would be today. I am liking all the reprints we're seeing lately, as they all come from sets that I started out with (around invasion).

Quote from clan_iraq

No, hes talking about the butterflies
If you land one of them on a deku stick, gently, it turns into a fairy

I remember, as doing it tended to be very frustrating (and there were enough secret grottos with faeries that doing it didn't matter), but ultimately then he's still talking about the the Faeries, isn't he? I just assumed he was half-remembering the game. My bad.

Quote from Horseshoe_Hermit

Not.



Unless...

White is really good at creating strong effects 'on defense'. It can manufacture boons and gifts and blessings, provided that it only comes about because of someone else's aggression.

Goldenglow Moth is a moth that you bring to the battlefield, and as long as that Moth stays flying around, amidst this warfare, it grants quite the boon of life. I think of it like the butterflies from Ocarina of Time. Casting it is like, creating a scenario for the archetypal "hero is rewarded for remembering gentleness" scene to actually play out.


The Wall only replaces itself, which is not good card draw, costing 2 and sorcery. But if you get use out of 0/4 wall... you got use out of a 0/4 wall.


This is still stupid though, as drawing isn't something white does. End of story.
You want more consistent white decks? Invent a new deck filtering mechanic. :\

The 'butterflies' from Ocarina of Time were Faeries, the graphics were just pretty bad.

Mesa Enchantress draws cards for white in standard, although it is a Planar Chaos 'alternate reality' card. Rhox Menditant does as well, but only if you control a green permanent, so I'm not sure how much that counts.

In extended you've got Bandage, Carom, Curtain of Light, Festival of the Guildpact, Niveous Wisps, Pentarch Ward, Reviving Dose, Scout's Warning, Surge of Thoughtweft, Swift Maneuver, To Arms! and Withstand.

I'd say white has the ability and precedent to draw cards, and this card makes sense with their 'defender matters' theme.

Quote from penguinofhonor

Tuktuk is my favorite goblin in the entire block. And it's incredibly flavorful. I'm going to need four.

You and I just become best friends.

Seriously, I was already planning on Sarkhan the Mad for my B/R Goblin Sacrifice Deck "Boggart Jihad", but Tuktuk the Explorer is insane. It will definitely make my buddies reevaluate defending at all. The combo between these two will be awesome.

Tuktuk the Explorer is definitely the card I'm most excited about from this set now.

I love that these cards have been spoiled for less than an hour and people already hate them. Yes the leveler is slow, but it looks like fun. In fact, this whole set looks like fun.

You remember fun? You had it while playing this game back when if someone asked you about playing Elder Dragon Highlander you would think of an wizened dragon in a kilt playing the bagpipes? Before the only decks you cared about are the ones that would win tournaments, and you didn't know what aggro meant?

One of the people in this thread even complained about there being no 'money rares'. I hope there aren't, because I want to actually be able to afford the cards I want. Who wants to drop $10 dollars on a single card, much less $50 (or even close to $100, Tarmogoyf you SOB).

Levelers look like fun, although I think the level up ability should have been one mana each for all of them, with the levels being higher to match it. It would at least partially compensate for the slowness of the ability.

Does anyone else think the wizard looks familiar? I could swear the artist used D.B. Woodside (Buffy, 24) for his reference.

Quote from Tangleborn

lets try to do the most crazy thing we can to a planeswalker creature.

I'm gonna attack, postcombat momentary blink him.... yeah...
I'm pretty sure that his will set him back to 6 loyalty and allows you to use his stuff again.

That sounds awesome. I was just thinking of using Otherworldly Journey but being able to use abilities again will be ridiculous.

Gideon looks like a lot of fun. I like his Vengeance ability, and that he can become a creature as his 'Ultimate'. I'm glad Planeswalkers aren't following the same formula. The fact that he can also force your enemy creatures to attack will be a huge boon against my buddy's platinum angel deck.

Quote from luminum can

Karn is a silver golem. And he has never specialized in stone-shaping of any sort. Is it within the scope of his abilities? Probably. But not to the extent that it is something he is known for.

My mistake. I started playing around the Invasion block but never paid much attention to the story until the newer Planeswalkers novels. I knew the jist of everything that came before from websites, but thats it.

This is a good debate. The only reason I suggest this is Karn is for two reasons: First, he's a (Stone) Golem, if he can work metal why not stone. I know it's a bit of a stretch, but it's awfully convenient that Mirrodin, the world he created, is next up.

The reality is they most likely don't want to pidgeonhole themselves by defining this planeswalker too early.