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  • posted a message on Magic Storyline Helpdesk
    Quote from zekingfx »
    Sorry but i have a question about the mtg lore timeline. According to the mtg wiki's timeline, the raid on Serra's plane happened way way way before Urza was even born. Did Urza travel through a rift with the weatherlight or does can planeswalkers planeswalk between time?
    Urza was born 0 AR, and the raid on Serra's Realm (according to the Wiki) was in 2,500 AR. It did not happen later.

    Also do the multiverse run in a linear time or do each planes experience time at different speed? Is it possible for a walker to planeswalk from a plane for just a second but in actuality experience more than a second of events?
    For storytelling purposes, most planes operate on similar time, but there are shenanigans out there. I'm sure there could be a plane where time moves differently. Usually it's just the units of measure that are different (since not all planes orbit a sun at the same speed... or at all), but when someone says 'year' for all intents and purposes it's the same measure of time on most planes.
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  • posted a message on Who is Angrath?
    It's almost certainly Tibalt's pirate persona. Anger plus Wrath = Angrath, to fit in with the likes of Captain Rage and Storm. Color-balance wise (and because of Dragonskull Summit) 'Angrath' is black-red. One of the Magic Story Podcasts on Commander talked about Tibalt. Plus, Maro has talked about him quite a bit, and mentioned he'd be black-red if he came back.
    Posted in: Storyline Speculation
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from Etherium Sage »
    Remember the complaints in the past about planes being the playgrounds of planeswalkers? Well, I guess that's really what a number of them are if you dig deeper into their past.
    Oh yeah. Pretty much every plane we visit has a planeswalker past contributing to the modern conditions.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Here's The Case of for Ugin on Ixalan.
    Given how we keep learning things about Ugin, I wanted to take a second to point out all the evidence that supports Ugin’s involvement on Ixalan at some time in the past:

    • First up is the mural in the background of the Rivals of Ixalan key art. The figure on the right is depicted in Jade and what appears to be faded green paint. More importantly, we see the figure breathing some sort of colorless fire. Compared to the sunbird depicted to the left which appears to have once been painted red, the ‘fire’ doesn’t appear to have had red pigment.
    • Next is the dragon banner that Huatli is holding in the Rivals of Ixalan key art. Based on the prominent eyebrow, eye, and snout designs, you can tell this is intended to be the same figure as the mural. Here we can add to the evidence wispy chin hair and the spike-like scales around Ugin’s elbows. This is notably NOT a depiction of Gishath
    • The concept art from the world guide shows an Ugin-like figure. The ‘feathers’ off to the side resembles Ugin’s hood and the piece on the top looks like one of Ugin’s horns (as if viewed from profile).
    • More concept art from the world guide show designs that look suspiciously like Ugin’s blocky horns. Might we subtly be seeing Ugin’s influence showing up everywhere?
    • Ixalan’s Binding is a glowing sigil made up of much smaller designs remiscent of the designs on Ugin’s hood.
    • We’ve also seen these kind of binding glyphs before, specifically the ones Jace learns from Ugin to bind the Eldrazi.
    • The fact that Ixalan was hidden from Ral’s Project Lightning Bug seems to imply a kind of magic that Ugin specializes in: Morph.
    • As a feathered dragon, Ugin is a perfect position to represent Quetzlcoatl, the Nahuatl god of wind and wisdom (which also seems like a match for Ugin). It’s important to note that Ugin’s depiction of feathery wings first appeared in 2015 during Tarkir block (his depiction in The Lithomancer a year earlier notably did not show his wings). It’s a pretty perfect flavor match for a mesoamerican plane.
    • When Jace reads Bolas’ mind in Hour of Devastation, it reminds him of something. That crystalline mind he remembers and quickly forgets? It matches the description of Ugin’s mind from Revelation at the Eye.
    This is all without getting into the Immortal Sun, the Threefold Sun, the sunbird or Aclazotz and the how and why of Ugin getting involved with something on Ixalan. To put it in perspective, I’m more confident about Ugin’s involvement at some point in Ixalan’s past than I was about Nicol Bolas’ end game using Lazotep Zombies.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    I'll post the full case for Ugin later, there's A LOT more than just Ixalan's Binding. But it's worth noting that the Binding Sigil would look way more like this, with the triangle pointing down instead of up, based on the Vampire's flower symbol. So it would be flipped relative to the Azorius sigil.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan references to the number THREE
    The Threefold Sun we already know about, it was discussed in the worldbuilding panel and referenced in the Sun Empire's symbol (three concentric circles, see Vanquisher's Banner). Both the Vampire's rose symbol and the Sun Empire symbol seem to reference the sigil from Ixalan's Binding, which has three points, as does Thaumatic Compass... which leads to the three spires in Spires of Orazca. I don't think it has anything to do with the Eldrazi, just the triumvirate nature of Ixalan's sun god.

    Posted in: Storyline Speculation
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    There's basically no reason for Azor to be on Ixalan. Flavorfully, everything is pointing at Ugin, and this is perhaps another binding sigil (like the one used to seal the Eldrazi) to keep planeswalkers from leaving. Ravnican magic manifests in guild symbols, but there's nothing to indicate their sigils themselves are magical. There is, however, a bunch that supports Ugin, especially because when you rotate and clean-up the binding sigil, it looks a lot like the symbols on the Hedron and Ugin's Hood. Note too that the sigil matches both the Dusk Legion and Sun Empire symbols.

    My friend SEV breaks it down in more detail here (images taken from his post).

    What I will say is that Ugin and Azor might have known one another at one point, that can't be ruled out, but I wouldn't jump to Azorius. I... don't particularly want another maze Jace has to solve by Azor.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
    Setting up a MMO-RPG even, eh? XD
    I WISH we were close enough to the MMO to start setting up a story for it. Given how they're only just now hiring things like art directors for the project, it's years away yet.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on "Legal" question about mail
    If you're asking 'Do I have a case', the answer is probably not.

    But you'd have to go read your State Motor Vehicle Administration's policies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver's_Privacy_Protection_Act
    Posted in: Real-Life Advice
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Anyone catch the direct quotes from Teysa's meeting with Jace in Family Values? I'm sure that's not going to be important later Smile
    Quote from orlouge82 »
    I'm usually as big a critic of the dialogue/characterization as anyone, but Vraska's reaction to Jace made perfect sense. She first threatened to kill him unless she got the information she needed from him, but the utter shock of seeing the almighty Living Guildpact laying blistered and sunburnt on a pile of bird-s*** with a scraggly beard almost certainly caused Vraska to react with shock.

    Also, Vraska isn't really a through-and-through villain. She's kind of like the anti-bully bully. She does believe that she has her own sense of justice that she metes out on behalf of the downtrodden, and with Jace looking way more downtrodden than the great and powerful edifice of Ravnican authority he was when she last saw him, her hostility toward Jace was probably lessened significantly.
    It's also worth noting that Vraska DID NOT try to kill Jace back in The Gorgon and The Guildpact. She wanted to use Jace.

    And to be fair, Liliana has done far worse to him and they were STILL hooking up at Gatewatch HQ.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    And we're done talking about the relative morality of real-life cultures. The discussion has been had and it has ceased being productive in any capacity. Focus on the stories and tribes, and real-world influences when applicable.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Don Krenko, Combo Goblins
    Wily Goblin seems handy. The rare red ramp, helps get to T3 Krenko and otherwise gives some extra mana for later. I'm not sure what I'd swap for it, though. It might just become a budget recommendation.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from Etherium Sage »
    Quote from Jay13x »
    Quote from user_938036 »
    About the possibility what ever is stopping walkers on Ixalan being meant for Old Walker. Do we have confirmation that this has always been the case for Ixalan? Or how long ago the Immortal Sun was stolen? Has the 'war' been going on from pre or post mending?
    The Podcast stated that it was stolen centuries ago. Long enough for the Empire of the Sun to be driven out of the forest by the River Heralds and for everyone to forget where Orazcca is.

    Ixalan is both hidden and has a planar barrier preventing anyone from leaving. I'm not sure it was intended as a trap for oldwalkers so much as a 'vault' or 'prison' for whatever the Immortal Sun is.


    Whoever set this up (assuming this is an artificial phenomenon) maybe had the right idea, since the multiverse is a dangerous place, and the last thing you want is extra-planar visitors to your plane. Also, if that somehow failed and someone randomly planeswalked in, you don't want them to leave and bring back friends.
    I've seen some people ask 'why let people in', but back in the day a barrier preventing people from entry just made them want in more. It was the plot of the Microprose game.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from user_938036 »
    About the possibility what ever is stopping walkers on Ixalan being meant for Old Walker. Do we have confirmation that this has always been the case for Ixalan? Or how long ago the Immortal Sun was stolen? Has the 'war' been going on from pre or post mending?
    The Podcast stated that it was stolen centuries ago. Long enough for the Empire of the Sun to be driven out of the forest by the River Heralds and for everyone to forget where Orazcca is.

    Ixalan is both hidden and has a planar barrier preventing anyone from leaving. I'm not sure it was intended as a trap for oldwalkers so much as a 'vault' or 'prison' for whatever the Immortal Sun is.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
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