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    posted a message on UW Approach
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    I think that a UW Approach build that's tuned to address the T1-3 creatures that can give us a tough time (Siphoner is really the biggest one as far as I'm concerned) is in a pretty good spot in this meta. My BR opponent in the semis made a comment about how he didn't really have sideboard hate against UW Approach (I'm guessing duress/doomfall/lost legacy?) because he just hasn't seen it that frequently. That seems pretty consistent with the MTG Goldfish metagame stats, which puts UW Approach at 1.41% of the metagame. I'm guessing that will shift after Dominaria drops with all the goodies for UW Control (not mentioning here because I don't think we're allowed to discuss spoilers here?). For now though, it seems to be a very under-the-radar deck to play. And in what I see as a very midrange meta, (1) having a ton of the right answers (slash, settle, fumigate, cast out) and (2) having no creatures (making their cards dead) is a good place to be.


    I realize I'm quoting myself here, but I just read a Seth Manfield article on TCGPlayer.com for the "Top 10 Decks in Standard," and Approach isn't one of the ones he lists. Article is here: http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=14496&writer=Seth Manfield&articledate=3-9-2018

    I hope it's not too off-topic, but there is a ton of literature about cognitive biases (Daniel Kahneman's Thinking, Fast and Slow is the one most have heard of or read), and it's interesting to see how it plays out in competitive MTG. For example, here: UW Approach doesn't put up a ton of top-10 results, doesn't show up on the Pro Tour, and doesn't feature in articles from pros about the top decks. The competitive MTG community understands that to mean it's not a good deck for competitive events, and thus it is underrepresented at those events because people gravitate to the decks that have been putting up results (Grixis energy, UB control, UB midrange, RG monsters) thinking they are the "stronger" or "better" deck. But by the very nature of more people playing those "stronger" decks, there is a higher likelihood that those decks will put up results, and a lower likelihood that UW Approach will put up results. Taken to one extreme, in a field comprising 100% decks playing mono-W vanilla creatures, a mono-W vanilla creature deck will be the top deck (8 spots in top-8 and the tournament winner). Pre-ban, when the field was 25% Temur Energy and 25% RamRed, there is a very high likelihood that those decks would be the top-performing decks just by virtue of the vast number of people playing them.

    This is a longwinded way of saying that I (obviously) think UW Approach is a great deck, I think it has great game against just about every deck in the meta, and it only helps that it's underrepresented at tournaments because other players aren't ready for it.


    I tend to think the community will eventually figure out what the stronger decks are and those will get the most play. As a result, the best decks will ultimately be reflected in the meta-game percentages. I think UW Approach has two fundamental weaknesses: lack of ability to interact with resolved creature(s) early and post-board UB hate in the form of Duress, Gonti, Lord of Luxury, Doomfall, and Negate. I think Eric Froehlich referred to this as a "post-board horror show." Maybe over-stated but funny.

    The two weaknesses reinforce each other; the lack of early interaction can leave the board in a sub-optimal state and we need a wrath to clean it up. If that gets negated or discarded at a key time it's a pretty big blow. UB Control is less sensitive to this because their board is in a better state because of Fatal Push and Moment of Craving.

    The last major event win for Approach that I can remember is November's Atlanta GP with Alex Lloyd's Esper Approach. He went Esper to help with the early interaction problem. I think Black might help with the discard hate as well because those cards become available to us. I hope to test that on MTGO this week.

    That said, you and pumpmonkey have gotten great results with UW Approach and it has consistently posted periodic 5-0 results on Competitive MTGO.

    I'll take UW or Esper Approach to the Seattle GP next month! Smile




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    posted a message on UW Approach
    Quote from xaltair »

    The deck works, it's YOU who doesn't work!


    Not sure who that was directed to X-Man, but probably an unnecessary comment. . .
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    posted a message on UW Approach
    Went 4-1 in the Store Championship (which is a great result for me) so thanks again for all the feedback! The two Torrential Gearhulks in the mainboard made an impact. I splashed in just enough black for two The Scarab God in the sideboard and that's a great option to have.

    I don't know how much to read into this but for the first time that I can remember UW Approach isn't listed in the mtggoldfish Standard Metagame:
    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/standard/full#paper. Only four Esper.

    I don't have enough black for Fatal Push. I really don't like what this does to my mana base and I don't have a good way to trigger revolt for Push but I'm clearly missing something because traditional UW seems to be waning. . .






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    posted a message on UW Approach
    Thanks everyone for the thoughtful replies. I will definitely be incorporating the feedback – it is appreciated!

    @greyimp: I had 1 Torrential Gearhulk in the mainboard for a while but it never made an impact (probably because it was a 1 of). I eventually moved it out. Based on what you and @pumpmonkey said I’ll move 2 into the main. I’ve played a couple games at home that way and I think it has helped. Similar feedback from @pumpmonkey on the Sunscourge Champion so I’ll cut that number back a bit. . .

    @kpal: I will look into the Settle the Wreckage/Fumigate balance. I have games where 3/2 seems the right number and others where 2/3 looks better. Would really like to find a way to have 3/3 of these. . .

    @pumpmonkey: I play-tested your deck today. I really like it! The 3 Glimmer of Genius / 1 Pull from Tomorrow pattern is great; late in the game I was drawing 5 rather than 2. I’m going to copy that into my deck. =)

    Re: Flex Slot. Have you considered 2 Duress as a pre-2nd Approach deck peek vs. an opponent with blue? Just curious. . .

    Hope everyone’s FNM is going well!

    ~ Hobbits




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