• posted a message on GoldenEye Mafia - Day 1 (Frigate)
    Quote from Mindreaver »

    That's dangerously close to a misrep. I voted Hardwood, yes, but I think on a reread of the actual vote, that I wasn't being serious (still being barely out of RVS at the time, if [left]we were even out). Even if he did intentionally waste my time with that poem, how could I possibly think that would be alignment indicative?



    Vote Mindreaver
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  • posted a message on Off the Grid Mafia Day 1
    Quote from Mindreaver »
    *raises hand* I'm curious what the motivation is. I also don't quite understand why it's rationally a good or bad idea in this setup. I'm not in favor of a no lynch, but that's just because we're 12 days or something from the actual deadline, and I'd like to think we'd have a good guess at that point. I'm also pretty bloodthirsty day 1 apparently. I like the info it gives on day two, especially if we have lots of interaction day 1.


    In none of the above scenarios are a gunsmith/cop/strong investigative role. My strongest purpose for suggesting no lynch is when I think the ability exists, but I am not the person (because as town, scum probably think I would be that role, and I end up dead or roleblocked, wasting the purpose). So, Unvote.

    Quote from MT »
    In my mental model of Vaimes, town!Vaimes sees my "bestest friend" question as fluff and fluffs back about himself. While scum!Vaimes gets paranoid about it and sees it as a real question about the rest of the playerbase. And then the followup makes it even more likely that scum!Vaimes gets paranoid and tries to answer it as a real question.


    In a world where Vaimes is scum, and knows you are town, how does he not see through it? You're bringing a meta argument into this, and it would seem especially if he knows you, that there is a very easy out for him to basically get you to read him as town. That is literally my biggest problem with meta reads: The rather bold assumption that people are static as scum, and couldn't possibly duplicate behavior from a previous town game.

    Quote from MT »
    So, GJ has made it pretty clear that his first post wasn't what he actually believed, and he was fishing for responses. Which is fine by itself, that can be a towny thing to do . . . except that the way he sprung his trap doesn't strike me as towny at all.



    I am curious about your motives, because currently to me, it looks like you were looking to entangle the first player to engage you


    The motivation is something that does not come out, and can trip people up. For instance, like my previous example, most scum can react to a massclaim without looking scummy. No lynch is a much more rare occurrence, and as such, can perhaps catch people off guard with how to react to it.

    From what I have gathered from Animal Mafia, scum tend to either play it neutrally, or call it a bad idea, but rarely do they outright reject it, like a townie would.

    Reading the thread again, I think the next most independently scummy poster after Gentleman Johnny is Mindreaver. If I could choose two wagons to pursue for the next couple IRL days, it would be those two.


    This I find to be fascinating. You haven't even waited for my response before you felt fine just calling me the scummiest poster. Do you even care how I respond to you?

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  • posted a message on Iso's Micro Shenanigans #2 (Game Over - Town Win)
    Alright JD!

    I was hoping you would realize I as scum wouldn't trap myself like that.
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  • posted a message on Iso's Micro Shenanigans #2 (Game Over - Town Win)
    BOOOM SHACA LACA.
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  • posted a message on Off the Grid Mafia Day 1
    Quote from Vaimes »
    It's not something I usually think about. I don't actually know the specific reason, nor did I really expect there to be one.


    I am not a person to screw around. I realize I am that guy (and likely corrupted tom), but there are town and scum games I bring it up, and town and scum games I don't. Weren't you a little curious what my motives are?

    Quote from MT »

    Day1 Vote Gentleman Johnny


    Mmm. Not feeling the friendship here...

    Quote from Vaimes »
    I know you haven't voted me yet. But you also said I could be scum, so I invited you to vote for me.

    It was still 90% an RVS-ish vote. The 10% was because I find joking about the mod being scum to be a suuuper light scumtell, since it completely avoids potentially talking about other players. I made a vote that was both silly and also had the potential to be serious, depending on what happened next. I thought your reaction to the first (and only) vote on you was weird, and it looked like you were asking tom to elaborate on his math that doesn't actually accomplish anything.

    20% is probably better than your 0% vote on Rhand! Also I don't know why we're acting like these numbers are concrete.


    I can't tell if this post is a joke or not. Your last line leans joke, but I assume you are more serious towards KJ.

    Quote from tom »

    at this point i believe, my icy friend
    scum sees this coming. theyve noticed the trend


    I believe that behavior can still be found whether true or rational.
    Don't dismiss my logic, you filthy casual.
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  • posted a message on Off the Grid Mafia Day 1
    Quote from Vaimes »
    Vote No Lynch.

    Today's that day.

    I forget why you keep doing this. Refresher?


    There are circumstances where this can be the correct play. I may have made a micro that made this optimal, and it also offers opportunity to address how people react to abnormal stimulus. For instance, most scum players know how to react to say...a day 1 massclaim, for instance.

    In this particular instance, there is a specific reason why no lynching would be a bad idea. I am curious why you didn't mention it?
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  • posted a message on Off the Grid Mafia Day 1
    Vote No Lynch.

    Today's that day.
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  • posted a message on GoldenEye Mafia - Day 1 (Frigate)
    Alrighty,


    Quote from Proph »
    It's why I want you to vote - so that information is on record, and can be analyzed later in the game to help determine your alignment. Sure, people can vote quickly with little reasoning and then hold those opinions, but IMO that's an unfair representation of the MTGS meta. There is still a lot to analyze, such as conviction, who just hopped on the wagon, who was in opposition to it, etc.


    I's interesting you say that, because in the Invitational, you, Wheat, and Chris manipulated the votes to make your buses look stronger. I think you should pay more attention to independent action and motive.

    Quote from HWP »

    I was just pointing out the irony in saying towns forget about lurkers, and subsequently dropping the topic of lurkers in favor of a different one. I was not trying to insinuate much more than that.


    But you must have motive to say that. I don't think you were just trying to be cheeky.

    Quote from Ghosting »

    Do you then also feel that Proph's pushing for me to vote, as well as to ask people questions, is inherently town or scum? Or a null read? Asking you this specifically because you said you're nervous about all the early town and scum reads.


    I do not have an inherent problem with Proph pushing you to vote. I would say it's a null read, but honestly this early, I don't know why he would point you out. I would rather just let you hang yourself. For instance, if I were to say I catch scum by how often they vote or unvote a certain player, what do you think a scum is more likely to not do?

    Can you explain sending both me and Proph? Do you feel that we are both likely to be scum together?


    You are both pinging my radar in a few ways. You could both be scum together, or it could be on of you. I am not necessarily scum reading Seppel either, but I want to force him to contribute. Lash a whip across his back, and he will start eventually moving.

    Quote from Brinatoo »
    What's your opinion on Hunger?


    Is hunger even in this game?
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  • posted a message on Ace Attorney Mafia - Game Over - The Bitter Taste of Truth
    Quote from D_V »
    As a General Rule of thumb I very much disagree with Sir Chris on role analysis. I think that if I had for a moment taken a very very long step back I would have seen Vaimes's role for being SK. We had already seen at least one town that killed. What I would not have seen is Vaime's role being able to win. If this game had gone on for a day longer I would have floated that idea around and proposed a Vaimes lynch so I disagree that role analysis is a crutch in this game it actually would have won if I had actually really thought about it and I had the seed starting to grow in my head but I was too late on that regard.


    I think that is Chris's point (he can correct me if I am wrong). If you ignored roles and went on behavior alone, Vaimes should have been lynched probably right after mato bit it.

    Quote from Cyan »
    Vaimes role was OP, but the town has no excuse for not lynching him. He contributed nothing, at any point, ever. He really didn't even PRETEND to contribute. His behavior was markedly different than it was in Stargate. Etc etc etc.


    I will argue that Vaimes dies after Iso does. Like I said in spectator chat, the number of times an sk claims a vig like ability, after another vig is real and lives to the end game are far and few inbetween. Vaimes's role played more like a cult, and I think it's fair to say based on mtgs that cults are really, really frowned upon. I don't think anyone thought the game was ended with 6 people left, and 3 mafia dead.
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  • posted a message on Iso's Micro Shenanigans #2 (Game Over - Town Win)
    Should be interesting. I want to see if they go balls to the wall, go safe, or do nothing.

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