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  • posted a message on Burn
    grp17 u have been 1 who have say to stop fighting and attacking. I not feel u attack that guy. u post positive and open minded thing. it not fair someone get mad when u not say them. keep the good post come
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  • posted a message on Burn
    thank u, I put 3 exquisite firecroft in the uw control, it help make tough match not as bad.


    Quote from prismatic elf »
    Quote from Hayati2013 »
    Thanks! The other troublesome deck is UW control, the one with two Gideons and Jace. This may be my least liked deck in all of MTG. Win or lose, I don't enjoy playing this deck at all.

    Do you try to go under it, or do something different?
    If your having trouble with UW Control add some Exquisite Firecraft to your Side Board
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  • posted a message on Burn
    a professional and world champion writing some positives about use sobr. wonderful 2 have the refreshing look at the topic. although not everyone happy he not support their hate of card. this show very fair look at sobr.

    If anyone is interested here is Seth Manfield's article on Modern tech: (link - the Shrine debate included).
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  • posted a message on Burn
    I finding 20 land more consistency 4 me than the 19, I cut 1 lavamance replace with 20th land
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  • posted a message on Burn
    thank u 4 giving good detail and explanation of ur view. if I agree or not I still respect the different opinion u give. this forum can have many view not just 1. my professor say it good 2 have different view open up thinking and creativity. i trying mardu now for fun because magic is fun. people forget that reason simple reason. u say mardu is fast yes I agree, u say boros can be better when game go longer yes I have the right to agree. if u ever find itself where u feel someone is frustrating u cause u have different view try this is a tip I learn in college this morning.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-couch/201312/what-s-the-best-way-handle-know-it-all?amp
    Infraction issued for trolling. -- CavalryWolfPack
    I've play many games (few uploaded (300 or so which you can watch) since shadow became a thing and more so before it) and from my experience the aggro MUs can go well over T6 esp. if your targeting creatures.

    In regards with Boros I may have overstated the word 'grind' but I find with Mardu and Naya burn requirement for 3c fetches in this current meta can reduce your turns for survival greatly - its gets even worse when you factor in land denial.

    Mardu is undeniably faster then the other variants with its Bump in the Night acting like that chain lightning you mention.

    EDIT: Just to clarify - when I say 'grind' what I mean is extend the game longer then the other greedy 3C variants, I don't mean trade card for card all day like rock.dec... I'll try and use a different word.

    EDIT2: I really don't understand the burst lightning brew... anyhow Mardu has a lower cc then other burn decks while still retaining the powerful cards like Boros Charm - lower cc means less chance for being clogged with 2cc spells which increases the chance for dropping your hand and winning by T3-4 (esp. when you factor in opp. fetch + shock). Boros & Naya burn can do the same but the odds are lower since you need to make more land drops and not hit as many 2cc spells.

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  • posted a message on Burn
    not overreact goes both ways, not everybody say the shrine is great just help. still some cannot give respect his win and take cheap shot like they do nothing wrong because it not the way they play maybe the way they play cannot win

    Quote from RochiTomRochi »
    Without wanting to add more fuel to the fire, Loic Le Briand's GP Birmingham Round 15 win-and-in is on Youtube here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdnOc1BU1d0&index=15&list=PLXvWVmmqyaqhMHS5_YQ9ZD9mKb_lP2Vzl

    His opponent is on Scapeshift.
    Game 1 he has the perfect burn hand and draws gas all the time. Deals 9 damage on his final turn.
    Game 2 his opponent has Courser of Kruphix, reveals a land but Le Briand has Skullcrack in response to the lifegain trigger. Next turn draws Destructive Revelry on it... He casts double Boros Charm then topdecks and hardcasts a Rift Bolt for the win. No Shrine of Burning Rage drawn or cast in either game...

    So 3 matches on camera and it had minimal impact in the slightest. IE as others have said, he won despite the card, not because of it.
    Yes, he won a GP with it in his deck, great job, and we should be happy Burn did so well! But without further testing or results I'm sceptical of Shrine over Eidolon. His draws were very lucky and he didn't get mana screwed or flooded.


    Thanks for digging this stuff up. This is why it's so important not to overreact to Le Briand's win with Shrine in the deck. He probably played 50-ish games, and that's just not enough to draw conclusions about a deck. A significant fraction of his games weren't impacted by Shrine of Burning Rage and were just won (or lost) on the Burn core that he was playing. You need thousands of games and multiple high performing results.

    His draws were very lucky and he didn't get mana screwed or flooded.


    I expect this is the case for a lot of people who make the top 8 of a tournament. There's certainly a skill element but you can't control statistics.
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  • posted a message on Burn
    u act like everyone else wrong and u alway right. my opinion and interpretation is mine. now u gonna tell us how 2 feel and think. u conveniently dodge my point of u passive aggressively attack people. i say u try 2 bully but act like u do nothing wrong. maybe it's the way u come accross
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  • posted a message on Burn
    sour grapes is sour grapes, it's rude to insult my language and that not right. look at way u talk 2 people that why we get upset. u passive aggressively talk down 2 people.

    he won and u can say u not like shrine or he get lucky he still win and can celebrate no matter what anyone say



    It's not petty to criticize an idea or a decision that someone has made. I'm not going to mindlessly nod in agreement to everything that everyone does or says, and I'm not going to defer to someone just because they won a tournament. Loic Lue Briand won a GP with Shrine in his deck, but that doesn't mean that he made the right decision when he chose to play Shrine. In fact, his own reasoning should have led him to the conclusion that Shrine is not at all worth playing.

    I understand that English isn't your first language and that that has probably led you to misinterpret what I've said and to question my intentions. Your interpretation of my intentions is wrong.
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  • posted a message on Burn
    my English not great but even i read this i think it's petty. trying 2 help player is good thing but u so hard on the guy and find way to put down his deck never just say he win with no talking down or at least a hey good win sir

    100 matches is actual data. Actual data is far more valuable than pointing to a single result and making decisions based on that single result.
    No one is taking away from his win.

    The point I'm trying to make is that a single event is not enough data to draw any meaningful conclusions about Shrine of Burning Rage. A single result doesn't mean that he made the right decision when he took Eidolon out and put Shrine in.

    There's a difference between attacking a person and criticizing a decision or statement that person made. The former isn't acceptable and it's not what I'm doing. The latter is completely acceptable and it is what I'm doing.
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  • posted a message on Burn
    i not agree that u think differing views is fine. u tend to come down hard on people not agree with u or have same view as u. that is my opinion, im allowed 2 have it. and from the likes i get and people who argue back 2 u it seem like others agree.

    u play a certain way and it ok. but other can play a different way 2 and that ok.


    Differing views and opinions are fine.
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  • posted a message on Burn
    winning a big GP is something great, i would be proud 2 win. u can agree or make excuses why it not good pass but win is win. i not try his deck but he walk away head held high. no 1 can take away the college degree when u earn it and no 1 take away his win even if not agree with deck.
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  • posted a message on Burn
    why so many hating, no 1 happy he do good with burn, lot of bitterness
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  • posted a message on Burn
    why this forum turn into only 1 person follow my way and every body wrong but me.
    read the last 10 pages not make me want 2 come here seeing people try 2 play king.
    that not right way, forum suppose open to talking. experience do not mean u never wrong + alway right.

    next time a poster wanna act like king, show me ur big magic win.
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  • posted a message on Burn
    2 card from the 60 and expect to get card when need is tough.
    so if run 4 spree you still need the enchant removal. how many side can u dedicate. maybe 3 spree with the 2 d.rev or ware tear.
    2 fight the tron not just chalice right. eldrazi tron more problem now then regular tron
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  • posted a message on Burn
    can u guy talk about how 2 beat tron. it can use void on 1 & 2 quick. what a good approach
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