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  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Went 3-0 at fnm with tron.
    Beat the mirror round 1 against a good friend. My main is pretty solid in the mirror with 4 GQ and the sanctum/mog/wurmcoil package.
    Game 2 I beat boros creatures both games had natural tron in my opener, game 1 with all is dust and a sanctum to grab ulamog, game 2 with a karn while he was stuck on land.
    The interesting round was the third. Got paired against a good friend from our testing group on ad nauseum.
    Game 1 I mull to 4 on the draw after seeing 0 lands in the first 3 openers.
    I keep double GQ, map & TKS which is great. I manage to take the angels grace out of his hand and draw running threats (smasher, reshaper, reshaper) for the win.
    Game 2 I keep natural tron in hand and manage to land a chalice on 3 to which he has no answer.

    Deck still feels great against anything that isn’t elves, affinity or titanshift. I’m fortunate enough to play against a lot of ad nauseum so although we are underdogs I feel like I know the matchup inside out and can use that to my advantage.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Yeah it’s a scg premium article but he drops the chalices, no ulamog or wurmcoil, 2 collar, 3 warping wail, 2 mind stone.

    Chalice to me is one of the big draws of playing this deck. It is so busted. Blind game 1, I keep any opener that has 2 land and a chalice.
    I’m not sure I like cutting it without adding more fattys.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Todd Stevens posted his updated decklist for Etron and he has moved all chalices to the board. Opinions ?
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Very quick tournament report from today 21 man modern event. Took 6 players from our modern testing group to the tournament and all 5 of my rounds were ageainst people from said group !!

    Round 1
    Game 1 I mull to 6 and my opp lands a timely cranial for the win.
    Game 2 I go to 5 and just straight up lose to a fast hand

    Round 2
    Esper control
    Game 1 Mull to 6. land a chalice on 1 but my opp manages to draw every 2 cost spell in his deck and gets there
    Game 2 I get another chalice on 1 on the play after a mull to 6 and ride a couple of smasher to victory
    Game 3 somehow I manage another chalice on 1 after a mull to 5 I see my opponent has only 1 drops in hand with TKS then the next 2 turns I play an all is dust that he drew the counter for and then play a karn which he also drew a counter for and lose to spirit tokens

    Round 3
    Really good game mulled to 6 on all 3. on game 3 my opp gets stuck on 2 land while I hit tron and take over

    Round 4
    Ad nauseum
    Game 1 I make a chalice on 1 and then hit tron with karn on turn 3 to start picking off lands
    Game 2 he plays 2 lotus blooms on turn 1 so I land chalice on 0 turn 1 only for him to slam a lab maniac and combo off with spoils naming primeval Titan with an angels grace to back it up
    Game 3 I have the stone cold bits with natural tron, karn, chalice and 2 x TKS

    Round 5
    Bant knightfall humans
    Probably the best 2 opening hands I had ever.
    Games 1 I have natural tron plus karn and all is dust
    Game 2 I have a sketchy hand with 2 tron peices but 2 ballistas and a karn and a rip a map of the top to curve put

    All in all a decent result but possibly the wrong deck choice considering I knew the field was a little hostile for etron, just so hard not to play this deck when it has such explosive draws, couldn’t of done much more today and was at the mercy of my pairings and opponents good drawing for my loses.
    Even agathe may bad matchups this deck is a force
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Advice needed!!!
    I have a local modern event this weekend expected at least 25 runners, cut to top8 etc.

    I played Etron to a top4 finish last time but I’m a little torn this time.

    The field is a little harsh for me, my question is: is it too harsh for me to play tron and should I switch to one of my other decks (abzan or infect)

    I know of at least 5 affinity decks (I dodged it last time somehow)
    2 taxes decks
    2 elves
    1 ad naus
    1/2 titanshift
    1/2 normal tron

    The rest of the field is a couple of deaths shadow, few burn, couple of rock decks, dredge, nightfall, spirits, vizier combo,

    To me it feels like a good amount of unfavourable with a lot of marginal favourables thrown in.

    What would you do ?
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] Abzan Midrange / Junk / BGw Souls/ BG Rock
    Quote from MCR »
    I've been running the list (trend started by Fallleaf with his 8-0 a few weeks back). Seems strong, I like how threat-dense it is. Tracker has been on and off for me, but mostly on. 2 might be too many for the maindeck, but they shine in the grind matches. Everything else is pretty stock. I don't really want to play Bob right now cause of Burn and Valakut, and Flayer has proven his value over time.

    Garruk is an interesting add. His tickup allows you to play him and then protect him with a flashbacked Lingering Souls, leading into a 16 damage aerial swing the following turn, barring disruption. Cranking out tokens has always been decent, but not entirely sure about his overall value within this shell.

    Could you link the list please? Interested to see it
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Quote from JulsSkogs »
    Hello Eldrazi friends. I just popped in to ask advice on how to try to improve this matchup. I'm going to SCG Louisville this weekend and want to be adequately prepared. I'll be playing basically Jon Rosum's Jeskai Queller mainboard (for those unfamiliar) with some sideboard changes as needed. I feel like the plan of Rejection + Verdict + Disdainful Stroke has failed me enough in the past that I'd like to try something different.

    How do you guys, as Eldrazi Tron players, feel about the matchup? Is it bad enough for me that you think it's worth me even trying to board differently for it? I've made considerations for even playing Blood Moon or Magus of the Moat to try to handle the matchup (the later of which is definitely bad, but it was just a thought).

    I think rosums list was tuned specifically to have a better time against us, the matchup is very close possibly swinging 52/48 in your favour. It of course will depend what list the eldrazi tron player but I don't think you will go far wrong with the list you have
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] Abzan Midrange / Junk / BGw Souls/ BG Rock
    I deffinately like siding out some amount in grindy games for sure.
    It very much depends what your sideboard looks like
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    So I wanted to take a few days reflection before writing up my tournament report for the GP in birmingham.
    Spoiler alert – I went 5-4, played almost perfectly and made a single mistake all day while very behind against GDS.
    Its hard to come away feeling great not making day 2 but I literally couldn’t of done any more!
    Gonna run down the whole weekend and make notes on interesting thoughts.

    My List changed before the main event but I had been on the warping wail train for over a month and then low and behold todd stevens posts his SCG premium article telling everyone how to beat us and telling everyone WW are correct in the main currently, which completely ruined the surprise element of them game 1!!

    12 x Urza
    4 x Temple
    3 x GQ
    1 x Cavern
    1 x SGW
    1 x Sanctum
    2 x Wastes

    4 x Ballista
    4 x Reshaper
    4 x Smasher
    4 x TKS
    2 x Endbringer

    2 x Karn
    4 x Chalice
    4 x Map
    2 x AiD
    2 x Dismember
    1 x Relic
    1 x Basilisk Collar
    2 x Warping Wail

    2 x Grafdiggers cage
    2 x Relic
    2 x Hangerback
    2 x Spacial contortion
    2 x Pithing Needle
    1 x Ratchet
    1 x O Stone
    1 x Ulamog
    1 x Ugin
    1 x Wurmcoil

    Friday - Modern Trials
    Round 1 – Infect – 2-0
    Chalice on 1 is a beating, WW in the main helps aswell!
    Round 2 – Titanshift – 0-2
    Always felt a long way behind
    Trial 2
    Round 1 – Titanshift – 0-2
    See above

    After the trials and the amount of titanshift I saw on the tables I decided to go back and add the 2 x Surgicals back in my sideboard in place of Ugin & a Spacial

    Main Event
    Round 1 – Merfolk – 2-0 win
    Very good game of magic against a member of Wales world magic cup team,
    Walking Ballista is the perfect answer to Kira and removing spreading seas with GQ to stop islandwalk is so valuable.
    This is a matchup where WW in the main shined bright
    Round 2 – Boggles – 2-1 win
    Game 1 I got turn 3’d, game 2 I aggroed out. Game 3 my opener was all 3 tron pieces, ratchet bomb, 2 x Karn & TKS, needless to say this got there!
    This is a bit of a strange matchup you don’t see a lot of but I just advise to remember how totem works and play accordingly with sweepers.
    Round 3 – Affinity – 2-1 win
    Game 1 I got beat down pretty fast. Game 2 my opp mulled to 5 and I managed to land a decent sized ballista to stop him from doing anything.
    game 3 I draw a hand full of sideboard cards, including Ratchet which I decide I want to keep in hand as long as possible. He makes a raveger while I have a large hangerback on the field.
    To try and get through me without making lots of flying blockers he sacks 3 cards to his raveger and then his ravage to his blinkmoth leaving behind a large blink moth, mox opal, ornithopter & spire of industry to my delight, I then play out my ratchet bomb and hide behind it for a few turns while drawing gas and making tron. Eventually get the job down.
    Round 4 – 5C Kiki Chord – 1-2 Loss
    Very strange deck, had no idea what I was playing until game 3.
    Game 1 he plays a voice then a harmonic sliver to blow up my map. Then adds kitchen finks and e wit to beat me down while im stuck on land. Game 2 I WW his noble, then dismember his birds and he doesn’t draw any more lands while I put the pressure on.
    Game 3 was unbelievable, I had a great hand but still have no idea what he is on,
    My board is 5 land, Basilisk Collar, Ratchet Bomb on 1 (wants to get to 3) and Hangerback on 1. My hand is all is dust, karn & Wurmcoil.
    He plays a harmonic Sliver to blow up my Hangerback. I then rip a land and play wurmcoil.
    He then plays a second harmonic sliver and blows up my ratchet bomb & Wurmcoil, leaving behind 2 tokens.
    I don’t draw my 7 th land and play out the TKS, in response he play resto, blinking a sliver and killing my 2 tokens.
    He then draws, roasts my TKS and swings with team taking me from 18 to 9
    No 7th land again, I pass and he swings for lethal.
    I felt like I was so far ahead and the whole game but just needed land 7.
    I never saw a kiki or a chord and he just had the perfect combination of cards to fight what I had on the table. Harmonic sliver was excellent and makes me wonder why more people don’t play it over pridemage or rec sage.
    Round 5 – Affinity – 2-0 win
    I was gutted to draw affinity twice and absolutely gobsmasked I beat it again,
    This time I mulled to 6 on the draw and still got there with a combo of natural turn 3 tron and ballistas.
    Couldn’t of had a better opener against affinity.
    Game 2 my opponent plays land into springleaf and passes, this rings alarm bells as I can only assume he has kept a blood moon hand. He then plays creature, land and plays blood moon.
    I kept an opener with o stone and I decide to just hope that the rest of his hand was trash (which it was) I play 2 maps, turn 3 Ostone, turn 4 pop maps for tron pieces under the moon, turn 5 I blow the stone and then next turn I make a karn to take the plating he just played and go to town with ballistas.
    Round 6 – Mirror – 2-0 loss.
    Nothing more to say than got beat by both our draws, he drew great, I drew terrible
    Round 7 – GDS – 2-0 loss
    Game 1 I kept a real nice hand and at the time thought if this is GDS this hand is the nuts.
    I go turn 1 Relic and hope he doesn’t thoughtseize my chalice. He play a serum visions and I slam chalice on turn 2. He then draws the thoughtseize and take my TKS, the then draws his kologhans command and continues to curve out 3 deaths shadow for a simple win.
    Game 2 is my punt of the weekend. I keep the aggro hand with TKS/RS/RS/EB along with a cou[ple of temples. I go map on 1 and TKS on 2 seeing rejection and snap. I take snap. Next turn I crack map and instead of going to get cavern I just pick up my deck, see third temple ion the bottom and put it on the table. Complete error, I knew I wanted cavern but it had been a long day and a had a mind blank.
    Needless to say his next 2 draws were another rejection and a snap for him to bury me.
    My opp felt really bad as I must of looked devastated as soon as I revealed the temple and knew what I had done!!!
    Round 8 – titanshift – 2-1 loss
    Does what it does and got there. Played around WW and just beat up with primetime
    Round 9 – Titanshift – 2-0 win
    My opponent was drawing extremely dead and I managed to get there with natural tron followed by multiple ballistas.
    Game 2 I got the surgical on the valakut and got an endbringer out before he played primtime so it couldnt attack. I needed tron turn 3 on both of these game to even have a chance !

    Overall im happy, considering the matchups I had, I saw 6 Titanshift + affinity out of 12 rounds which is rough. Never saw any great matchups.

    My concern comes from not knowing how to beat Titanshift.
    Affinity I know we are slim but there is a plan, if you get natural tron or draw our sideboard cards we can certainly win. However titanshift felt bad even once ‘stabalizing’

    With both decks running wild at the minute is it time to put Tron down for a couple of months ?
    I have access to most decks through my testing group and im thinking about titanshift to be honest.
    But I love Etron and my heart tells me that decks like storm and burn may rise in popularity to combat titanshift & affinity.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Hi guys, havnt posted in a few weeks due to not being able to decide on a list for GP Birmingham.

    My thoughts are that sanctum is great but it feels win more against decks we are good against, if we are casting 7 mana fattys we are almost always ahead and we excel in grindy games.

    I have settled on ugin > ulamog in the board
    Warping wails main instead of mind stones as they mimic mind stone while giving us better game 1 against a lot of decks including affinity, counters coco and valakut.
    This has been working well and although WW isn't great against grixis shadow it still has its uses. This opens up space for spacial contortion in the board to better our aggro matchups.

    I have dropped surgical completely and I'm playing a crucible in the board as a nod to land destruction.

    Currently play only 1 cavern and 4 GQ aswell because of the crucible as land beats are real in grindy games.

    Hopefully have a new complete sideboard guide I'll publish tomorrow.

    Anyone got any ideas on sodeboarding for the new RG vengevine decks ??
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Quote from magicmurph »

    Mindstone/Warping Wail – I cut both mind stones for 2 warping wails. This felt like the biggest and best change in the deck. Warping wails never got taken out and were almost always relevant, this is something I feel I will stick with, I don’t miss the cantrip due to playing 2 x relic main and I never missed the ramp as warping wail got their in a pinch. The more I think about this the more I think it’s the way forward, it is just so good against a wide range of tier 1 decks and decks we have issues with, also bloodmoon seems to be much less of an issue as it once was.

    Congrats on the Team finish and also to sicsmoo for 2nd in the qualifier.

    Do you ever find yourself conflicted about maintaining tempo vs leaving mana open to cast Wail? Seems like on every turn I want to be tapping out, or I feel like I'm falling behind.
    Turn 1: Map or Relic
    Turn 2: Chalice, sac Map, Mind Stone, or Reshaper

    Against a black deck, do you just tap out and accept the early discard spell? I bring in Wail vs decks like Scapeshift, and in that case you really don't need to keep mana open until turn 4 or later.

    to be honest the I never found my self holding up, if I had a map I would crack it, if I had a chalice I would play it on 1, if I had neither I would pass with the intention on either adding a mana to ramp if I needed or use as removal against particular decks.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Congrats on the paper 2nd place @ Sicsmoo.

    my LGS ran a Unified modern event yesterday, my team managed to finish 4-0 and take home first place! with me personally going 4-0 (bye first round)
    Our team consisted of Eldrazi Tron, Vizier COCO, Esper control

    although I didn't make enough notes to do a full tournament report as spare time was spent helping my team ETC, here is the memorable stuff:
    Round 1 – BYE

    Round 2 - Dredge (2-1) (COCO 1-2 vs affinity // esper 2-1 vs Burn)
    first game I mulled to 6 and kept a sketchy 1 lander with relic, map, TKS, eldrazi temple, Chalice, Smasher.
    still not sure this is correct or not, but the scry gives me 2 chances to hit land and then I can start getting more with map. and RELIC vs dredge on turn 1 is awesome. I proceeded to not see land until too late on and loose.
    next to games I shut down his engine while adding pressure to the board. I really like this matchup!!!!

    ROUND 3 - Bant COCO (Spirits) (2-1) (COCO 2-1 vs Burn // Esper 2-1 vs Deaths Shadow)
    feels like a rough matchup but managed to outplay my opponent and built towards a game winning all is dust both times!!

    ROUND 4 - Merfolk (2-1) (COCO 2-1 vs gds // Esper 1-2 vs Eldrazi Tron)
    game 1 I managed to win through 4 spreading sees, I still don't quite know how but I used karn to exile his spreading seas to turn tron back on to pump ballista and deal with his board twice.
    game 2 it was a mull to five and a walkover.
    game 3 I mulled to 5 and managed to see natural tron and beat with a pair of smashers

    RE: deck selection:
    I switched up my deck a little for the unified meta, as I expected stock to rise in mono coloured strategies (elves, merfolk, affinity, Mirror, hate bears, ETC.) some changes I really like and worked well. Some didn’t make any difference.
    Here is my feelings, please let me know your opinions:

    LAND BASE – I opted for 1 cavern and 4 Ghost Quarter, I still havnt found much reason to run 2 caverns, especially playing crucible in the board but I feel like there is possibly a better option for my 1 flex spot (4th quarter//cavern//scavenger grounds//nephalia academy)
    Mindstone/Warping Wail – I cut both mind stones for 2 warping wails. This felt like the biggest and best change in the deck. Warping wails never got taken out and were almost always relevant, this is something I feel I will stick with, I don’t miss the cantrip due to playing 2 x relic main and I never missed the ramp as warping wail got their in a pinch. The more I think about this the more I think it’s the way forward, it is just so good against a wide range of tier 1 decks and decks we have issues with, also bloodmoon seems to be much less of an issue as it once was.
    AID/Oblivion stone – I went with a 1/1 split in the main and a 1/1 split in the board (along with a ratchet bomb) – this felt fine in general, all is dust was an all star against the decks I played and o stone with mainly irrelevant but the more I test the more I like the split it deals with Etron, affinity, lantern and is also quicker than AID without temples. With this I thought that when boarding these in 5 board wipes felt like overkill, I could be wrong but I always wanted to take the 5th one out game 3
    Ulamog in the board – I had him there but didn’t want to bring him in at any point. I want a bomb in the board but I feel Ugin may be better placed
    Surgical Extraction – removed the surgicals for special contortion to sure up some aggro matchups. I feel that with the prelevence of hand disruption in the meta (UK/EU meta is always heavily GBx roughly 20-25%) along with GDS and thought knot that combo seems bad, therefor I havnt missed it much. The combo deck that is thriving as previously mentioned is titanshift as you cant disrupt a land (hence the nod to crucible and the 4th GQ)

    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Surgical extraction.
    The more I test the more mediocre it feels in the board. Looking at my own sideboard matrix a lot of the time it only comes in because there is nothing better. Could we use these slots to helps with our tough matchups and has anyone got some ideas?
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Quote from RyZenXP »
    Found a deck online that 5-0'd without the Chalice of the Voids...

    Will be using it in a medium-sized event in paper this Weekend...

    Did test it by comparing the sideboarding plan made by MagicMurph, it went to show that CoTV has been sided out a lot... Ulamog and Ugin are great addition to the deck...

    Hope to get some insights... TIA...

    Good luck. Be sure to let us know the results. I can't imagine a world where I don't run chalices. But it's certainly interesting to see if it is atleast reasonably viable as a budget version
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Tron
    Quote from sicsmoo »
    Yeah, definitely feel the same way about needing more spot removal, and that the 4th Relic is expendable. I've been on 3 for a while. Agree that Crucible is nice, but unnecessary. I just cut 1 Crucible and 1 Hangarback to add 2 Contortions. This is my current list:

    here is my tweaked list, I cant imagin losing the hangerbacks as they are doing a lot of work. I feel that hatebears is going up in popularity and affinity is clearly riding a wave at the minute with the lack of white in tier 1.

    I'm also interested in exploring white as an option.
    1 cavern
    2 wastes
    2 GQ
    1 Nephalia Academy
    4 Caves of Koilos
    2 Plains

    then packing 3 stony in the board.

    it could just be a pipe dream though.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
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