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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Quote from ChrisBP7 »
    No, but you are accentuating the negative to the extreme here, using loaded language to make it seem like all of these things are bad and that she is a horrible person for doing so.
    The 'extreme' as you put it is her actions throughout the story. And based on your subsequent dialogue, its just as 'loaded' as you put it.



    Let me try to put them another way:
    Kaya is most notable for:
    Going back on a contract from an actual killer (remember, she herself doesn't actually assassinate living beings) and enacting her own sense of justice upon him without killing him herself.
    I will not contest that as that does not refute what was originally said.

    Killing (and that's not even the right word) an immortal undead dictator who imposed his rule simply by the fact that he was able to no-sell the usual methods of relieving disliked tyrants from power on Fiora (Marchesa at least can be disposed of that way).
    King Brago came back to life and resumed his reign to maintain stability. The inherit part you dislike is the fact that a good king overcame his first death, then resumed power. Then he is labelled a dictator because he just so happens to allow the actual villain Marchesa to take power.

    Killing (see above) a bunch of patriarchal, highly morally questionable undead people who see nothing bad in enslaving both the body and soul of others for their own benefit through contracts that poor people especially are basically forced to sign (if they are not property already once the Orzhov acquire a particular part of the land, just by virtue of living there) and were already hard at work to undermine the guildpact by circumventing it via their guildpact-free space.
    and this I will not contest as that is the Obzedat. Its how Obzedat was murdered that people take qualms with which seems to get drowned out in favor of just pointing out they were reprehensible.


    Took on the responsibility of leading the guild afterwards in partnership with Teysa (who would have found an alternative method of desposing of the Obszedat sooner or later). Was also tricked into the position not knowing that the weight of these contracts would fall to her once the Obszedat was done for.
    will not contest this point.

    Finally released countless debtors who were forced into unfair contracts into their afterlife, freeing them from slavery, economic consequences be damned.
    While in the process also almost forcing the liquidation of the guild which you casually left out.

    Saw that Liliana was earnest in her redemption effort and (considering that she usually doesn't kill living beings) choose to abstain from capital punishmen a pretty human and sympathetic gesture (not to mention that Liliana herself, while certainly guilty of horrible things, was definitely blackmailed by Bolas into leading the horde, you make it sound like she reveled in it).
    First of all what you just said in her not enacting capital punishment proves that she can't be trusted to even assassinate a target for the right reasons when the contractor comes from the governmental body that seeks to enact that capital punishment on a war criminal.

    Secondly I never stated Liliana reveled in it, I stated that the actions of her troops falls on her as responsibility as a military commander. She is not exempt for what her troops had done as she had knowledge of what her troops had done or are about to do. Stating she is forced into the role does not prevent the fact that she still can control not only her own actions but those of her troops. Said actions are the atrocities and murders of civilians and non-combatants through the military might of an invading force. Liliana can be a conscientious objector if that helps you rationalize it, but she could not impose that onto her troops due to her own contractual obligations by her employer which means the actions of her troops are still her actions.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Quote from Xeruh »
    And none of those are reasonable issues. First one she let justice take its course, not about killing without caring about consequences.
    being at best a vigilante who is acting outside of the law is not letting justice take its proper course. If she did care about if her kill would have consequence then she wouldn't have helped Marchesa seize power and she would have tried to work with Teysa to find a way to seize control away from the Obzedat.


    If she didn’t care about the outcome and only wanted money she could even have tried to the guy. She killed an immortal dictator, which is not a good thing to have around. And then... went on to go kill another immortal dictator council.
    First time she was paid, that was her only stake in killing King Brago whose reign was shortlived. Second time was to assist Nicol Bolas in not only killing in killing a corrupt ceo and its chairmen.

    She was forced into control of it by Bolas, that’s on him. That she tried to free the ghosts shows, again, isn’t only in it for the money.
    Again you state she does care about her actions but you demonstrate when given free will, she willingly almost cause the complete liquidation of a guild which was a reckless act.

    Your points in general are shoddy and inconsistent.
    Do I even need to address why this is just petty?

    You call her money hungry but then point out actions that have zero financial benefit.
    Short term benefit is not the same as longterm financal benefit. She cares about getting paid. She doesn't care about the longterm stability of a financial system.

    And you’re attributing to her something that’s true of almost all walkers. They destabilize things by their actions, they change the status quo.
    Meanwhile nonwalkers have changed the status quo such as on Kamigawa or on Lorwyn for a quick two easy examples.

    If Kaya was replaced with almost any other walker nothing changes in those regards.
    So your saying that planeswalkers are superfluous to the story if they are so interchangeable.

    And the rare times they aren’t causing change they’re usually responding to change caused by some other interplanar threat.
    The rare times they aren't causing change, they are reinforcing the status quo by stopping a threat that is attempting to change the status quo.

    To say nothing of the fact that Magic has jag plane shaping events for ages.
    Define a sharp plane shaping event.

    But even th That’s just how Magic is. I’m not sure when the last set was without major upheaval.
    Major upheaveals are showing their wear. There is only so many times the writers can threaten to end the world or change a major aspect of a world without it feeling forced for the sake of having stakes.

    In short you’re just doing what I said, singling out Kaya and being inconsistent while doing so.
    Still not as inconsistent as your ramble in which I rebuked each of your points.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Kaya's job is an assassin of ghosts who is only in it for the money and doesn't care about the consequences her actions have.
    Kaya shows up on Kaldheim that is gonna have ghosts and those who rule over these ghosts.
    Kaya's benefactor is probably another shady person, probably another would-be ruler.
    Kaya gonna either murder everyone from Hel/Valhalla/both, or just murder the rulers of those respective realms and free the souls.
    Kaya is praised, or hated, or both by the denizens of Kaldheim.
    Kaya will likely destabilize the fundamental flow of the world of Kaldheim just like she did on Fiora and Ravnica respectively.
    Kaya then either leaves of her own accord or is kicked out like she was on Ravnica.
    Kaya will likely learn nothing from her visit aside from where she can get her next deposit of cash for murdering a ghost.
    Kaya then arrives on a new plane to restart the process over again proving she is only a tool for the writers to kill off characters.

    Kaya is most notable for:
    Letting the ghost of a mother kill her contractor since the contractor killed his mother in life.
    Killing King Brago and helping the dictator Marchesa take power.
    Killing the Obzedat without the judical law of the guildpact and Azorious applying.
    Seizing control of the Orzhova guild as an agent of the megalomaniac dictator Nicol Bolas and their invasion plan.
    Nearly forcing the complete liquidation of the Orzhov guild, the cornerstone to all of Ravnica's banking and finances, through naive charitable action.
    When tasked with the assassination of Liliana Vess, a former agent of Nicol Bolas who helped lead the army of eternals, Kaya spared Liliana instead and even wanted to redeem her despite being a war criminal (1).

    Just because Liliana Vess tried to command her forces to avoid spreading out as much as possible to avoid going after civilians does not mean she is exempt from the actions and atrocities her troops still did. Civilians and non-combatants that died at the hands of eternals are still her responsibility. She is also not exempt for she has knowledge from reports due to her necromantic control over her troops and thus knows of their actions committed. Civilians and non-combatants largely apply to the planeswalkers that responded to the beacon, arrived, and were unceremoniously killed. However regular and sparkless citizens of Ravnica also apply including those of the gateless.

    And not once did I mention that Kaya's ethnicity as a point of contention.
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  • posted a message on [Let's Brew!] Dalakos, Crafter of Wonders
    added, also added Blightsteel Colossus. Might as well.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Klothys, God of Destiny
    You could build her as a MLD tribal, as you are making mana off of lands in the graveyard, but then your also MLD tribal.
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  • posted a message on [Let's Brew!] Dalakos, Crafter of Wonders
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
    Added those, also added Bloodforged Battle-axe.


    Urza is probably a good include for this deck, but he's damn pricy.
    Added him and also mana rocks as he would be able to cheat them out easier.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Survey(s) on mothership hint at anime-themed sets incoming?
    Probably a new plane. Why revisit something that people didn't like, according to 15-year old data anyway, when you can just make a new plane with more modern Japanese influences in pop culture, a slight nod to Shintoism, and call it a day.


    They can just visit kamigawa and change it as much as they want, it has been more than 10k years since the last time we saw it
    Last time there was talk of an Asian-influenced plane, we got Tarkir instead of Kamigawa.
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Survey(s) on mothership hint at anime-themed sets incoming?
    Probably a new plane. Why revisit something that people didn't like, according to 15-year old data anyway, when you can just make a new plane with more modern Japanese influences in pop culture, a slight nod to Shintoism, and call it a day.

    And that is the more obvious way they would make Not-Kamigawa.
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Can a budget deck win against a serious competative deck?
    You play MTG Arena with a fresh account and grind it out to spend as little as possible.

    For paper? I hope you like 'L's in your daily diet as you are going to be eating them unless you fork over all that cash. Even the supposed "budget" decks are still a $35-95 price tag, but those have no presence in the meta and for good reason.
    Posted in: Budget (Standard)
  • posted a message on Run more interaction! Run more fast mana! Or: The death of interesting edh deckbuilding
    Looks perfectly reasonable to me. In fact it seems like a wonderful teaching aid for average players. As what you are describing in "interesting" deckbuilding can be consider "mold breakers". As this layout below can give a good guideline to a player on how to build their first few decks until they want to try and experiment more.

    A person can build a more wild deck that does something unexpected and interesting if they have a better grasp of how it all works.

    1 Legendary Creature (Commander)
    35 Lands
    14 Mana rocks and/or ramp spells
    10 Card draw spells
    6 single target removal spells
    6 mass removal spells
    6 counterspells
    4 Tutors
    4 Cantrips
    14 Freebie Slots
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [Let's Brew!] Dalakos, Crafter of Wonders
    Added those, also added Bloodforged Battle-axe.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on No story/lore for Theros
    Quote from Xeruh »
    I really feel bad for Maro, lot of people give him flak for things that are really out of his control. There are things he says I don't agree with, but a lot of it is really out of his hands.
    Yeah. Maro doesn't deserve it, especially when people want to vent their frustrations and the only name-to-a-face they can find most of the time is his. Especially when he is essentially the doorman to a lot of the questions that get asked, only letting approved ones through. Be glad he keeps it up at all, most companies wouldn't keep this up and would rather close shop than deal with irate customers.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on No story/lore for Theros
    This may sound a bit callous, but be glad the game is alive at all and whatever lore and cards you get is the cherry on top. My favorite tcg died, came back to life, then died again, and its not coming back a third time. The story, characters, and lore I did get I will always cherish. Its why seeing Dalakos, Crafter of Wonders in this new Theros set actually renewed my interest in MTG as I made a custom card two years ago that was remarkably similar to it. That the custom card's flavor and theme was based off of a character from that dead tcg.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [Let's Brew!] Dalakos, Crafter of Wonders
    Dalakos, Crafter of Wonders 1UR
    Legendary Creature - Merfolk Artificer (R)
    T: Add CC. Spend this mana only to cast artifact spells or to activate abilities of artifacts.
    Equipped creatures you control have flying and haste.
    2/4

    While not officially revealed, many cards including key cards for mechanics were, so its safe to assume Dalakos is real.

    So what can we do with essentially an artfact-centric Apprentice Wizard who also grants haste and flying to our equipped creatures?



    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [THB] Theros: Beyond Death Leaks
    HEY! Thats my card! Absolutely awesome that my card is real now. Now I can really play EDH with a card I can actually call mine after all these years.

    Sure-sure, its not an absolute 1:1, but hey tweaks and modifications happen to get the final product.

    Original Thread: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/custom-card-creation/770243-two-different-multi-colored-legendaries
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