Why are we talking about Modern? These cards are for Standard.
ACTUALLY these kind of statements are so wrong on such a level. New cards from a product from WotC are always analyzed for:
Standard
Limited
Sealed
Block
Duel Commander
Multiplayer Commander
Pauper
Pauper Highlander
Pauper Commander
Peasant
Peasant Highlander
Peasant Commander
Horde
Tiny Leader
Frontier
Modern
Legacy
Vintage
Two-Headed Giant
Emperor
Cube
Casual
Because every time new cards are added to the pool of preexisting cards, they will be judged for every format. So anyone who is like "But modern is not relevant to the discussion" is frankly dead wrong on the subject matter and doesn't understand that designing cards for only one format is one of the most ludicrous and laughable things in the entire thing that is MTG if its not a set like Conspiracy or the Commander products which both also have cards for other formats.
Next thing to beat into submission is: the Drake Haven argument. Everyone who states its "U: 2/2 flying drake. Draw a card." is frankly wrong. It actually is "1U: 2/2 flying drake. Discard a card, then draw a card". Meaning it costs you one mana more and the card draw is a +0 gain. The only gain to be had is that it makes, for a +1 bonus, is the drake.
Third thing to nip in the bud: To those that actually defend this counterspell in standard, this is the worst counterspell in the format right now. Its only saving grace is that you would cycle it. As it might as well not have the 1U mana cost, instant typing, or couterspell text. Seriously whats next? A non-cycling version of Spell Snip?
Fourth argument to destroy: That counterspells should be. Frankly this line of thinking is so awful and unwanted that it spread into other design/development sections of how MTG functions. Seriously. Has anyone noticed the fact that in the T2/Standard that we have right now that there is no instant/flash-speed artifact removal for red. That there seems to be a massive lacking of Mass Artifact removal in standard? Its why Fatal Push is as good as it is right now because WotC has been so staunchly against making good removal spells in order to not ruin the "newcomer's fun" that it ruins the fun for eveyone else and we are in the situation right now where Shock is considered great for the sole purpose of dealing with Saheeli and her 9001 cats, SHOCK of all things that is normally seen as a weaker burn spell is getting praise because we are in such a drought of good counter/removal spells. I am totally that advocate who at this point would absolutely love even something like a Granulate, Meltdown, or even a Fracturing Gust at sorcery speed, because T2 is suffering this badly. This is the reason we have "fun police" cards to ensure a healthy format and such a format also needs a careful amount of such cards but also strong so they can ensure that certain decks don't get out of hand.
Also just as a disclamier: I don't like blue. I'm a red+green player. But you know what? I will defend it because I can feel the ripple effects of it getting nerfed into this sorry state when my artifact, creature,enchantment and land removal is this weak as well in the format.
This is just wrong. They frequently design cards for specific formats, including Standard. They also rarely test newer cards in older formats. They test some for Modern, and have printed cards specifically for Modern, but if it wasn't designed with Modern in mind, they do very little testing for it. Nearly all of their time is spent on Standard and Limited, and for other formats, it is largely based on theory crafting.
Yeah they design for specific formats, But everything is ANALYZED for every possible format. Its still laughable within this very thread that statements of "Modern does not matter to the discussion" when in fact it does.
Example: Even if everything was designed for limited only, if even one card fit into a competitive Commander, Legacy, Modern or Vintage deck then it becomes that much more valuable and possibly ban-worthy.
Remember True-Name Nemesis? That card that was designed for Commander and that ended up being a hit in Legacy Fish to such an extent that you couldn't find the UBR deck anywhere that didn't already have the True-Name Nemesis gutted from it?
Dack Fayden became a huge hit in Vintage and he came from the original Conspiracy set. A set that was designed for limited.
Like remember when they printed Mental Misstep and Gitaxian Probe? Oh boy those two were so good in Modern that they both eventually had to be banned because of how they warped the format. Those two cards came from a set that was designed specifically for Standard and Limited. Same with Treasure Cruise for that matter.
The excuse that "Its for X format only, Y format doesn't matter" is such a wrong statement. As I've shown with just a few examples that it doesn't matter if only one format was considered if the rippling effect it has on other formats gives cause for concern and consideration for it.
True-Name was designed for Legacy.
I stopped reading after that because if you didn't know that, nothing else you said mattered.
You are flat out wrong. True-Name Nemesis was designed for Commander. HOWEVER the card was very popular in Legacy which led to buyouts of the card and of the deck that contained said card. You would know that if you paid even a modicum of attention. Scavenging Ooze was also not designed for other formats. But guess what? It sees play in other formats. I would stop reading your comments as well if you lack this much knowledge of the game and certain trends.
They don't really test for Modern, either. Remember the Eldrazi Winter?
Sometimes it doesn't seem like they test for Standard either like with cards such as Smuggler's Copter, Walking Ballista, Aetherworks Marvel and quite a few more. Yet stuff like this counterspell are considered also fine by that same token.
Why are we talking about Modern? These cards are for Standard.
ACTUALLY these kind of statements are so wrong on such a level. New cards from a product from WotC are always analyzed for:
Standard
Limited
Sealed
Block
Duel Commander
Multiplayer Commander
Pauper
Pauper Highlander
Pauper Commander
Peasant
Peasant Highlander
Peasant Commander
Horde
Tiny Leader
Frontier
Modern
Legacy
Vintage
Two-Headed Giant
Emperor
Cube
Casual
Because every time new cards are added to the pool of preexisting cards, they will be judged for every format. So anyone who is like "But modern is not relevant to the discussion" is frankly dead wrong on the subject matter and doesn't understand that designing cards for only one format is one of the most ludicrous and laughable things in the entire thing that is MTG if its not a set like Conspiracy or the Commander products which both also have cards for other formats.
Next thing to beat into submission is: the Drake Haven argument. Everyone who states its "U: 2/2 flying drake. Draw a card." is frankly wrong. It actually is "1U: 2/2 flying drake. Discard a card, then draw a card". Meaning it costs you one mana more and the card draw is a +0 gain. The only gain to be had is that it makes, for a +1 bonus, is the drake.
Third thing to nip in the bud: To those that actually defend this counterspell in standard, this is the worst counterspell in the format right now. Its only saving grace is that you would cycle it. As it might as well not have the 1U mana cost, instant typing, or couterspell text. Seriously whats next? A non-cycling version of Spell Snip?
Fourth argument to destroy: That counterspells should be. Frankly this line of thinking is so awful and unwanted that it spread into other design/development sections of how MTG functions. Seriously. Has anyone noticed the fact that in the T2/Standard that we have right now that there is no instant/flash-speed artifact removal for red. That there seems to be a massive lacking of Mass Artifact removal in standard? Its why Fatal Push is as good as it is right now because WotC has been so staunchly against making good removal spells in order to not ruin the "newcomer's fun" that it ruins the fun for eveyone else and we are in the situation right now where Shock is considered great for the sole purpose of dealing with Saheeli and her 9001 cats, SHOCK of all things that is normally seen as a weaker burn spell is getting praise because we are in such a drought of good counter/removal spells. I am totally that advocate who at this point would absolutely love even something like a Granulate, Meltdown, or even a Fracturing Gust at sorcery speed, because T2 is suffering this badly. This is the reason we have "fun police" cards to ensure a healthy format and such a format also needs a careful amount of such cards but also strong so they can ensure that certain decks don't get out of hand.
Also just as a disclamier: I don't like blue. I'm a red+green player. But you know what? I will defend it because I can feel the ripple effects of it getting nerfed into this sorry state when my artifact, creature,enchantment and land removal is this weak as well in the format.
This is just wrong. They frequently design cards for specific formats, including Standard. They also rarely test newer cards in older formats. They test some for Modern, and have printed cards specifically for Modern, but if it wasn't designed with Modern in mind, they do very little testing for it. Nearly all of their time is spent on Standard and Limited, and for other formats, it is largely based on theory crafting.
Yeah they design for specific formats, But everything is ANALYZED for every possible format. Its still laughable within this very thread that statements of "Modern does not matter to the discussion" when in fact it does.
Example: Even if everything was designed for limited only, if even one card fit into a competitive Commander, Legacy, Modern or Vintage deck then it becomes that much more valuable and possibly ban-worthy.
Remember True-Name Nemesis? That card that was designed for Commander and that ended up being a hit in Legacy Fish to such an extent that you couldn't find the UBR deck anywhere that didn't already have the True-Name Nemesis gutted from it?
Dack Fayden became a huge hit in Vintage and he came from the original Conspiracy set. A set that was designed for limited.
Like remember when they printed Mental Misstep and Gitaxian Probe? Oh boy those two were so good in Modern that they both eventually had to be banned because of how they warped the format. Those two cards came from a set that was designed specifically for Standard and Limited. Same with Treasure Cruise for that matter.
The excuse that "Its for X format only, Y format doesn't matter" is such a wrong statement. As I've shown with just a few examples that it doesn't matter if only one format was considered if the rippling effect it has on other formats gives cause for concern and consideration for it.
Aside from invocations, one of the better counterspells of the set I will say. Also that Rubble spell is not half bad at all and makes me hope they keep pushing that mechanic for red.
This is a very good creature. 3-mana 4/2 with first strike that also forces both players to discard cards. And that is by himself. With minotaur buddies around I'm sure he would be very good with all those Theros minotaurs. Even an Anaba Ancestor would be helpful if you had a way to give each of them vigilance.
Why are we talking about Modern? These cards are for Standard.
ACTUALLY these kind of statements are so wrong on such a level. New cards from a product from WotC are always analyzed for:
Standard
Limited
Sealed
Block
Duel Commander
Multiplayer Commander
Pauper
Pauper Highlander
Pauper Commander
Peasant
Peasant Highlander
Peasant Commander
Horde
Tiny Leader
Frontier
Modern
Legacy
Vintage
Two-Headed Giant
Emperor
Cube
Casual
Because every time new cards are added to the pool of preexisting cards, they will be judged for every format. So anyone who is like "But modern is not relevant to the discussion" is frankly dead wrong on the subject matter and doesn't understand that designing cards for only one format is one of the most ludicrous and laughable things in the entire thing that is MTG if its not a set like Conspiracy or the Commander products which both also have cards for other formats.
Next thing to beat into submission is: the Drake Haven argument. Everyone who states its "U: 2/2 flying drake. Draw a card." is frankly wrong. It actually is "1U: 2/2 flying drake. Discard a card, then draw a card". Meaning it costs you one mana more and the card draw is a +0 gain. The only gain to be had is that it makes, for a +1 bonus, is the drake.
Third thing to nip in the bud: To those that actually defend this counterspell in standard, this is the worst counterspell in the format right now. Its only saving grace is that you would cycle it. As it might as well not have the 1U mana cost, instant typing, or couterspell text. Seriously whats next? A non-cycling version of Spell Snip?
Fourth argument to destroy: That counterspells should be. Frankly this line of thinking is so awful and unwanted that it spread into other design/development sections of how MTG functions. Seriously. Has anyone noticed the fact that in the T2/Standard that we have right now that there is no instant/flash-speed artifact removal for red. That there seems to be a massive lacking of Mass Artifact removal in standard? Its why Fatal Push is as good as it is right now because WotC has been so staunchly against making good removal spells in order to not ruin the "newcomer's fun" that it ruins the fun for eveyone else and we are in the situation right now where Shock is considered great for the sole purpose of dealing with Saheeli and her 9001 cats, SHOCK of all things that is normally seen as a weaker burn spell is getting praise because we are in such a drought of good counter/removal spells. I am totally that advocate who at this point would absolutely love even something like a Granulate, Meltdown, or even a Fracturing Gust at sorcery speed, because T2 is suffering this badly. This is the reason we have "fun police" cards to ensure a healthy format and such a format also needs a careful amount of such cards but also strong so they can ensure that certain decks don't get out of hand.
Also just as a disclamier: I don't like blue. I'm a red+green player. But you know what? I will defend it because I can feel the ripple effects of it getting nerfed into this sorry state when my artifact, creature,enchantment and land removal is this weak as well in the format.
I know rarity doesn't determine power, but wow. Just wow. This is honestly just awful for an uncommon. This counterspell is overpriced for what it does other than cyclin. Which is the impression I'm getting off of these cycle cards in general. Like someone at wotc just slapped an extra coloress on the mc and called it a day. Like this blue card is the unwanted child of force spike and miscalculation which are both commons by the way.
IF we really really want to get into the nitty gritty. Technically Fluctuator is WORSE than New Perspectives. Why? Because Flux only reduces the cycling cost by 2. Perspectives on the other hand replaces the cycling cost with 0. To put this in further perspective, Flux can only reduce Decree of Annihilation to RR if you have three out. Perspective can, by itself, reduce the cost of Decree of Annihilation to 0 for cycling purposes. Everyone who says that Perspectives is weaker than Flux certainly has a very weird perspective.
This guy for starters works for the current story.
We saw Vraska on the Atlazan packaging and Ashiok is speculated to be Amonkheti. Many more PWs mentioned in passing and new ones to meet.
I for one am in favor of this policy shift.
Ashiok is Therosian.
Actually "unknown". Ashiok is not native to Theros. So the speculation is they are native to Amonkhet based on their clothes that seem to match with other inhabitants.
You are flat out wrong. True-Name Nemesis was designed for Commander. HOWEVER the card was very popular in Legacy which led to buyouts of the card and of the deck that contained said card. You would know that if you paid even a modicum of attention. Scavenging Ooze was also not designed for other formats. But guess what? It sees play in other formats. I would stop reading your comments as well if you lack this much knowledge of the game and certain trends.
Yeah they design for specific formats, But everything is ANALYZED for every possible format. Its still laughable within this very thread that statements of "Modern does not matter to the discussion" when in fact it does.
Example: Even if everything was designed for limited only, if even one card fit into a competitive Commander, Legacy, Modern or Vintage deck then it becomes that much more valuable and possibly ban-worthy.
Remember True-Name Nemesis? That card that was designed for Commander and that ended up being a hit in Legacy Fish to such an extent that you couldn't find the UBR deck anywhere that didn't already have the True-Name Nemesis gutted from it?
Dack Fayden became a huge hit in Vintage and he came from the original Conspiracy set. A set that was designed for limited.
Like remember when they printed Mental Misstep and Gitaxian Probe? Oh boy those two were so good in Modern that they both eventually had to be banned because of how they warped the format. Those two cards came from a set that was designed specifically for Standard and Limited. Same with Treasure Cruise for that matter.
The excuse that "Its for X format only, Y format doesn't matter" is such a wrong statement. As I've shown with just a few examples that it doesn't matter if only one format was considered if the rippling effect it has on other formats gives cause for concern and consideration for it.
ACTUALLY these kind of statements are so wrong on such a level. New cards from a product from WotC are always analyzed for:
Because every time new cards are added to the pool of preexisting cards, they will be judged for every format. So anyone who is like "But modern is not relevant to the discussion" is frankly dead wrong on the subject matter and doesn't understand that designing cards for only one format is one of the most ludicrous and laughable things in the entire thing that is MTG if its not a set like Conspiracy or the Commander products which both also have cards for other formats.
Next thing to beat into submission is: the Drake Haven argument. Everyone who states its "U: 2/2 flying drake. Draw a card." is frankly wrong. It actually is "1U: 2/2 flying drake. Discard a card, then draw a card". Meaning it costs you one mana more and the card draw is a +0 gain. The only gain to be had is that it makes, for a +1 bonus, is the drake.
Third thing to nip in the bud: To those that actually defend this counterspell in standard, this is the worst counterspell in the format right now. Its only saving grace is that you would cycle it. As it might as well not have the 1U mana cost, instant typing, or couterspell text. Seriously whats next? A non-cycling version of Spell Snip?
Fourth argument to destroy: That counterspells should be. Frankly this line of thinking is so awful and unwanted that it spread into other design/development sections of how MTG functions. Seriously. Has anyone noticed the fact that in the T2/Standard that we have right now that there is no instant/flash-speed artifact removal for red. That there seems to be a massive lacking of Mass Artifact removal in standard? Its why Fatal Push is as good as it is right now because WotC has been so staunchly against making good removal spells in order to not ruin the "newcomer's fun" that it ruins the fun for eveyone else and we are in the situation right now where Shock is considered great for the sole purpose of dealing with Saheeli and her 9001 cats, SHOCK of all things that is normally seen as a weaker burn spell is getting praise because we are in such a drought of good counter/removal spells. I am totally that advocate who at this point would absolutely love even something like a Granulate, Meltdown, or even a Fracturing Gust at sorcery speed, because T2 is suffering this badly. This is the reason we have "fun police" cards to ensure a healthy format and such a format also needs a careful amount of such cards but also strong so they can ensure that certain decks don't get out of hand.
Also just as a disclamier: I don't like blue. I'm a red+green player. But you know what? I will defend it because I can feel the ripple effects of it getting nerfed into this sorry state when my artifact, creature,enchantment and land removal is this weak as well in the format.
Actually "unknown". Ashiok is not native to Theros. So the speculation is they are native to Amonkhet based on their clothes that seem to match with other inhabitants.