@Meteor: With regards to your post in spec chat, I don't think a single person in this game could point at you and say your play was bad. I'm sorry that it's your last game though. Hope to see you on the flip side.
Thanks friend, keep doing what you do - I'll make sure to check out your future games.
You played even better than in Bare Bones and Unreliable Cops in this game, IMO. And that horrible posting restriction, wow. Congrats on the win!
@Cantrip - You have an incredible gift of playing townie. The fact that you were so 'in character' that you told me not to shoot in the last night, just shows how strong of a player you are. You deserve the win, congrats.
@Iso - The hardest point for me was seeing you suffer so much knowing that I'm holding information that might help you figure out the game, and then later asking me to vig you. Iso, they say if you change you place your chance your luck, so congrats on the new place and stay positive, the luck should change.
@Huntzilla - Sorry if I tunneled on you too much and made the game unenjoyable for you. Maybe if I wouldn't you would have caught the mafia team on time.
@Shadow I'm gonna vig Rhand or Hunt. If you can jail someone that isn't one of them that would be great for me. Thanks for the consideration (no sarcasm).
@Cantrip if fulcrum flips town I might shoot Hunt, I feel like those three PRs are not all town and I trust Shadow.
Hey fulcrum I decided to do a little test.
I asked you specifically if Shadow is town, then asked what to do if you flip town.
It was strange to me how you didn't want me to vig Hunt before.
I figured this is where you would finally go after Hunt but you won't. Did you really think I won't notice that all three of you are town PR in your world, which doesn't make sense specially together with me being the 2-shot vig?
Test failed.
@Iso - If fulcrum flips town and I shoot a town member and there is a NK (which there will be, since there will be two mafia left) we lose. So what do you want me to do?
@Shadow - I'd prefer to vig Rhand but I'm ok with you jailing Rhand. Just let me know if you did or not later.
@fulcrum - I know there are 7 people alive, I said we are at 5-2, so please explain what you mean. Why is your last "will" is only about me? Is Shadow not obvious town in your opinion? Also, who should I vig when you flip town? (Unless you gonna admit to flipping mafia)
@Hunt - Why are you suddently nice to me?
@Cantrip - Thanks, I need your thoughts buddy when you find the time.
@Rhand - I am 99.9% shooting you tonight if fulcrum turns mafia, based on the fulcrum interaction analysis I did earlier and based on your behavior today which was sketchy with the Cantrip attack.
I'm gonna reread you at night before I make my shot and see if anything super townie jumps out and changes my thoughts - that's the 0.1%.
If fulcrum is town I'm not shooting anyone.
If I mess up and I am shooting a townie I apologize, but I'm letting you know ahead so in the case you are actually town you can put your last thoughts on this thread, and they can be useful for town to win down the road. Also, I would like for you to officially claim since I don't think you ever did.
@Cantrip - Same for you, claim please.
Iso and Cantrip if you are playing me I will be really annoyed, but also kinda impressed? Lol good luck to all of us.
@fulcrum That's not the only thing thay I care about, as said in my post you quoted? Even if it was, it doesn't feel like everyone is townreading me, and I'm sure if I don't vig and it ever gets to that point mafia are gonna have this case how I'm some mastermind who has been manipulating the whole game with faking vig and stuff. So yeah, me being confirmedTown is important to me and town.
I just said I completely agree that I shouldn't vig anyone if you are town, so what's your agenda on that last post?
@Shadow I didn't even notice that by you jailing someone suspicious it townclears him if fulcrum is mafia and the NK happens. Sweet.
@Cantrip - the reason I wanted to vig before if fulcrum flips town is because I was confident in Yours/Shadow/Rhand townblock, and figured it doesn't matter who I vig between Iso and Hunt, they will be mafia. Now I'm starting to worry this townblock is not as strong as I thought, and I completely agree I shouldn't vig if fulcrum flips town.
In case fulcrum flips mafia, the problem is Shadow might jail Rhand who I would probably want to vig since I don't think any of the other people make sense with fulcrum as mafia partner, so it will just be N1 all over again. I don't want to vig someone who is not my #1 suspect just to confirm myself as town, specially as it's gonna cost town the possibility the town to mislynch tomorrow. Although there is a chance Shadow might jail correctly the other mafia and then I could vig without costing the mislynch town. Ugh my head is starting to hurt and I'm rambling, I wonder if someone gets what I'm saying here? If you do, you deserve a candy.
Anyway, please continue to check in frequently and talk some sense into me so I won't make stupid mistakes that cost us the game. Thanks!
Thanks.
You think Cantrip is both a possibility to be mafia with fulcrum, and also a possibility to be mafia with Hunt?
Can't you please explain how? I don't see either of those. If you want the best overlap it would have to be Rhand, no? (for me the only mafia team Rhand atually makse sense to be in are exactly with Hunt or fulcrum).
That way if Rhand is the only mafia left with fulcrum dead it stops the NK, and if he is mafia with Hunt and Hunt successfuly recruits someone into the chat then it stops the NK because he has to make the kill (unless Hunt can do both).
Thanks. Considering Cantrip says "Between Shadow and Ghosting, I'm much more confident that Ghosting is town" at the start of his post, and one is a Doctor (at that point we don't know Ghosting fake claimed as town, and I don't think anyone saw it coming) and the other is a Jailor, and they both seem to be town (Ghosting confirmed, Shadow not confirmed but very likely), why is it scummy for Cantrip to suggest we lynch Shadow to solve that Doc/Jailor dichotomy? Yes it would have been an horrible mislynch chain, but how is it more likely to come from scum!Cantrip than from town!Cantrip? It's not like he could possibly know Ghosting fake claimed there. I still don't really understand your case. Can you please elaborate more?
@fulcrum I'm still thinking about the Hunt/Rhand situation. It's just in this thread Rhand has been so much more active in scumhunting, and I'm afraid the world of town!Rhand and scum!Huntzilla is not that unlikely as you think. Rhand seems very confident that Hunt is town, which does make me feel better about Hunt. Hmmm.
@Rhand - Who is the mafia team if fulcrum flips town? (And don't say it's not possible, anything is possible).
Also, If I'm reading it correctly Cantrip wanted Shadow lynched before Ghosting (because of the jailer/doctor dichotomy), right? Why does it makes you think he is mafia? I'm probably missing something, but not sure what.
@fulcrum - I think It can help. Lets say we are with 2 mafia left and at 5-2.
If you roleblock and mafia kills Shadow its turns to 3-2 with me not being able to confirm myself and Shadow's protection gone.
Then you get lynched and its 2-1, town has to get it right in the final three situation.
While if you are mafia my plan gets to 5-1, and I can either vig someone to end the game (even if I misfire, its 3-1 which is better than the first scenario), or I choose not to vig like Cantrip suggests and its 4-1 with me not being town!confirmed, where town can still mislynch and win.
This is why I think it would be in your best interest as mafia to suggest this plan. Am I missing something?
@Rhand - I had to stop towards the end, but I didn't see anything except fulcrum referencing one of Cantrip posts to Iso asking if it looks like he is mafia buddy to ZOMG. You think it points to Cantrip being her mafia buddy and them avoiding interaction?
Question for you - What do you think about fulcrum suggestion that we should lynch you before we lynch Hunt? (@fulcrum - I'll add my thoughts, after Rhand reply first).
OK so I'm looking through fulcrum posts, trying to learn stuff from each post. I'm only looking at interactions with people still alive.
#1587 - introduction, fixing Iso view of her as scum, catching up
town!fulcrum world: Null
scum!fulcrum world: Unlikely teammates with Iso, would avoid being linked to Iso already on the first post, makes Iso likely to be town.
#1614 - reading Iso as town
town!fulcrum world: Usually first read is the strongest, need to figure out later what made her turn on Iso, might be sign he is mafia.
scum!fulcrum world: She is getting pressure from Iso, trying to buddy him so he won't go after her as much. makes Iso likely to be town.
#1631 - asking Iso about Cantrip/ZOMG partnership
town!fulcrum world: Null
scum!fulcrum world: interacting alot with Iso, don't see mafia buddies interacting so much so that makes Iso likely to be town.
#1658 - calls Hunt out for writing "silent ones in the shadows".
town!fulcrum world: Null
scum!fulcrum world: makes Hunt likely to be town
#1676 - reference #1658 again
town!fulcrum world: Null
scum!fulcrum world: Hunt is town, I don't see mafia repeating an earlier post just to bus a mafia teammate.
#1677 - Town read on Shadow
town!fulcrum world: In a world that both fulcrum and Shadow can both blocks actions at night, town!fulcrum still thinking Shadow is town means he is town.
scum!fulcrum world: If fulcrum is a mafia roleblocker and post the Shadow townread despite they both blocking actions at night, it means the read is true and Shadow is town.
#1693 - Again, mentions Hunt as mafia again.
town!fulcrum world: Makes Hunt likely to be mafia based on POE
scum!fulcrum world: Once again: Hunt is town, I don't see mafia keep repeating how a mafia teammate is mafia just to distance.
#1743 - Finally some interaction with Rhand
town!fulcrum world: Null
scum!fulcrum world: I get vibes that this interaction is between two mafia buddies - "This is even assuming you are town, because I was mostly townreading you off the ghosting interactions and those are now completely pointless". Something about the the way its written pings me.
#1747 - Why she didn't target Hunt to proves herself
town!fulcrum world: Explains in the post why Hunt was her biggest mafia suspect and she didn't block him to stop the NK.
scum!fulcrum world: This is why I didn't think those two are mafia together! No way fulcrum doesn't know how her mafia buddy ability works. If fulcrum is mafia, Hunt is town.
#1752 - Replies to Shadow's scenarios.
town!fulcrum world: Null
scum!fulcrum world: I don't see the need for this post unless Rhand is a possibly mafia buddy? Wow I'm starting to get worried about Rhand.
#1761 - Interacting with Hunt
town!fulcrum world: pointing to Hunt lynching me doesn't make sense if she is town, makes Hunt likely mafia
scum!fulcrum world: Null.
Need to go so will continue this later, but what I learned that if fulcrum is town we should probably vig between Iso and Huntzilla. Personally I think Iso is more likely to be town based on his recent reactions. If fulcrum is mafia I learned that I don't want to vig both Iso or Hunt, and that out of those left I would probably vote for myself to vig Rhand? Oh god, Rhand was in my top three reads starting the day, I really need to re read him.
So this is where I'm at now:
fulcrum flips town - Vig Hunt
fulcrum flips mafia - Vig Rhand :/
Where is everyone? Deadline is geting closer... we need to come up with a plan...
Here is a link to countdown to the deadline, please check I'm not wrong.
Also, also, we shouldn't lynch hunt, because half of us don't have access to the neighbor qt that the people that do say clears him. It makes more sense, if you're worried about hunt, to lynch Rhand, who has vouched for hunt.
But, even that doesn't make sense, when we can instead lynch Iso. IF Iso is town, which his call to be vigged strongly makes me doubt, then the team must either be Rhand/Cantrip or Rhand/Hunt. In this world, I can then be misvigged, but so long as Shadow jails one of those three, I have a decent chance of saving the game with my block.
In the event that Iso is mafia, I'll get misvigged, but I'll know Rhand is town, which makes the most likely remaining mafia exactly Cantrip, who I can then block, winning the game.
This is all assuming two mafia left, because I don't see a world where we win if there are three and Iso is town and I don't see a /world/ where there are three and Iso is mafia.
Any flaws there?
The flaw is that we trust you in the plan not to roleblock me, which will never happen if you are mafia.
Basically, you would suggest this plan as town (who believes this is a good plan) or mafia (that wants to prevent me from using the vig shot and confirm myself, or maybe even NK me and take me and my vig shot out of the game, and cause us to mislynch Iso if you know he is town) so its WIFOM.
Whoever thinks Iso/fulcrum is the mafia team - Please read the last few posts and explain to me how they can be a team together. Unless they are EXTREMELY good at distancing themselves, I don't see it. I feel like if fulcrum turns mafia on the flip, we shouldn't vig Iso. If fulcrum flips town, then it can make sense to vig Iso but I still think he is more likely town than Hunt (although I didn't see the chat that clears him). I'm gonna re-read the last few pages from a confirmedtown!fulcrum mindset, and see if anything jumps out to me.
@Shadow - You are clear town IMO and you also didn't see the chat - What do you feel about Hunt and me vigging him tonight?
Kitty came into our mentor chat asking what a "Reaper" does and Brinatoo clarified that she was VT.
I kinda believe this. Well so Iso is probably town, which also makes me doubt Rhand a bit.
Shadow is town unless next level stuff.
Cantrip is town, mafia who knows I'm town wouldn't be so suspicious of me when the plan is me vigging someone and proving them wrong, they wouldn't want to put themselves in a position to look bad.
Fulcrum posts doesn't seem to come from mafia but I also don't see posts that makes me go "She has to be town" either.
Huntzilla is still lurking and that makes me super suspicious.
Lets divide this to Tiers of trust:
Tier I - Shadow, Cantrip
Tier II - Rhand, Iso (yes, crazy I know)
Tier III - fulcrum and Huntzilla
I'd like to go for that third tier and lynch fulcrum and vig Huntzilla with Shadow jailing Rhand or Iso.
How long until the deadline? Soon I have time to re read stuff. I remember thinking fulcrum and Hunt are not mafia together so gonna look back at that.
When you vote also add an unofficial vote for the vig. I will go for who the majority wants. If you won't I just decide who to vig myself.
Thanks friend, keep doing what you do - I'll make sure to check out your future games.
You played even better than in Bare Bones and Unreliable Cops in this game, IMO. And that horrible posting restriction, wow. Congrats on the win!
@Cantrip - You have an incredible gift of playing townie. The fact that you were so 'in character' that you told me not to shoot in the last night, just shows how strong of a player you are. You deserve the win, congrats.
@Iso - The hardest point for me was seeing you suffer so much knowing that I'm holding information that might help you figure out the game, and then later asking me to vig you. Iso, they say if you change you place your chance your luck, so congrats on the new place and stay positive, the luck should change.
@Huntzilla - Sorry if I tunneled on you too much and made the game unenjoyable for you. Maybe if I wouldn't you would have caught the mafia team on time.
@Cantrip if fulcrum flips town I might shoot Hunt, I feel like those three PRs are not all town and I trust Shadow.
I asked you specifically if Shadow is town, then asked what to do if you flip town.
It was strange to me how you didn't want me to vig Hunt before.
I figured this is where you would finally go after Hunt but you won't. Did you really think I won't notice that all three of you are town PR in your world, which doesn't make sense specially together with me being the 2-shot vig?
Test failed.
@Shadow - I'd prefer to vig Rhand but I'm ok with you jailing Rhand. Just let me know if you did or not later.
@fulcrum - I know there are 7 people alive, I said we are at 5-2, so please explain what you mean. Why is your last "will" is only about me? Is Shadow not obvious town in your opinion? Also, who should I vig when you flip town? (Unless you gonna admit to flipping mafia)
@Hunt - Why are you suddently nice to me?
@Cantrip - Thanks, I need your thoughts buddy when you find the time.
I'm gonna reread you at night before I make my shot and see if anything super townie jumps out and changes my thoughts - that's the 0.1%.
If fulcrum is town I'm not shooting anyone.
If I mess up and I am shooting a townie I apologize, but I'm letting you know ahead so in the case you are actually town you can put your last thoughts on this thread, and they can be useful for town to win down the road. Also, I would like for you to officially claim since I don't think you ever did.
@Cantrip - Same for you, claim please.
Iso and Cantrip if you are playing me I will be really annoyed, but also kinda impressed? Lol good luck to all of us.
I just said I completely agree that I shouldn't vig anyone if you are town, so what's your agenda on that last post?
@Shadow I didn't even notice that by you jailing someone suspicious it townclears him if fulcrum is mafia and the NK happens. Sweet.
In case fulcrum flips mafia, the problem is Shadow might jail Rhand who I would probably want to vig since I don't think any of the other people make sense with fulcrum as mafia partner, so it will just be N1 all over again. I don't want to vig someone who is not my #1 suspect just to confirm myself as town, specially as it's gonna cost town the possibility the town to mislynch tomorrow. Although there is a chance Shadow might jail correctly the other mafia and then I could vig without costing the mislynch town. Ugh my head is starting to hurt and I'm rambling, I wonder if someone gets what I'm saying here? If you do, you deserve a candy.
Anyway, please continue to check in frequently and talk some sense into me so I won't make stupid mistakes that cost us the game. Thanks!
You think Cantrip is both a possibility to be mafia with fulcrum, and also a possibility to be mafia with Hunt?
Can't you please explain how? I don't see either of those. If you want the best overlap it would have to be Rhand, no? (for me the only mafia team Rhand atually makse sense to be in are exactly with Hunt or fulcrum).
That way if Rhand is the only mafia left with fulcrum dead it stops the NK, and if he is mafia with Hunt and Hunt successfuly recruits someone into the chat then it stops the NK because he has to make the kill (unless Hunt can do both).
@fulcrum I'm still thinking about the Hunt/Rhand situation. It's just in this thread Rhand has been so much more active in scumhunting, and I'm afraid the world of town!Rhand and scum!Huntzilla is not that unlikely as you think. Rhand seems very confident that Hunt is town, which does make me feel better about Hunt. Hmmm.
Also, If I'm reading it correctly Cantrip wanted Shadow lynched before Ghosting (because of the jailer/doctor dichotomy), right? Why does it makes you think he is mafia? I'm probably missing something, but not sure what.
fulcrum flips town - Vig Hunt
fulcrum flips mafia - No vig
I'd love for people to start posting their status as well.
If you roleblock and mafia kills Shadow its turns to 3-2 with me not being able to confirm myself and Shadow's protection gone.
Then you get lynched and its 2-1, town has to get it right in the final three situation.
While if you are mafia my plan gets to 5-1, and I can either vig someone to end the game (even if I misfire, its 3-1 which is better than the first scenario), or I choose not to vig like Cantrip suggests and its 4-1 with me not being town!confirmed, where town can still mislynch and win.
This is why I think it would be in your best interest as mafia to suggest this plan. Am I missing something?
@Rhand - I had to stop towards the end, but I didn't see anything except fulcrum referencing one of Cantrip posts to Iso asking if it looks like he is mafia buddy to ZOMG. You think it points to Cantrip being her mafia buddy and them avoiding interaction?
Question for you - What do you think about fulcrum suggestion that we should lynch you before we lynch Hunt? (@fulcrum - I'll add my thoughts, after Rhand reply first).
#1587 - introduction, fixing Iso view of her as scum, catching up
town!fulcrum world: Null
scum!fulcrum world: Unlikely teammates with Iso, would avoid being linked to Iso already on the first post, makes Iso likely to be town.
#1614 - reading Iso as town
town!fulcrum world: Usually first read is the strongest, need to figure out later what made her turn on Iso, might be sign he is mafia.
scum!fulcrum world: She is getting pressure from Iso, trying to buddy him so he won't go after her as much. makes Iso likely to be town.
#1631 - asking Iso about Cantrip/ZOMG partnership
town!fulcrum world: Null
scum!fulcrum world: interacting alot with Iso, don't see mafia buddies interacting so much so that makes Iso likely to be town.
#1658 - calls Hunt out for writing "silent ones in the shadows".
town!fulcrum world: Null
scum!fulcrum world: makes Hunt likely to be town
#1676 - reference #1658 again
town!fulcrum world: Null
scum!fulcrum world: Hunt is town, I don't see mafia repeating an earlier post just to bus a mafia teammate.
#1677 - Town read on Shadow
town!fulcrum world: In a world that both fulcrum and Shadow can both blocks actions at night, town!fulcrum still thinking Shadow is town means he is town.
scum!fulcrum world: If fulcrum is a mafia roleblocker and post the Shadow townread despite they both blocking actions at night, it means the read is true and Shadow is town.
#1693 - Again, mentions Hunt as mafia again.
town!fulcrum world: Makes Hunt likely to be mafia based on POE
scum!fulcrum world: Once again: Hunt is town, I don't see mafia keep repeating how a mafia teammate is mafia just to distance.
#1743 - Finally some interaction with Rhand
town!fulcrum world: Null
scum!fulcrum world: I get vibes that this interaction is between two mafia buddies - "This is even assuming you are town, because I was mostly townreading you off the ghosting interactions and those are now completely pointless". Something about the the way its written pings me.
#1747 - Why she didn't target Hunt to proves herself
town!fulcrum world: Explains in the post why Hunt was her biggest mafia suspect and she didn't block him to stop the NK.
scum!fulcrum world: This is why I didn't think those two are mafia together! No way fulcrum doesn't know how her mafia buddy ability works. If fulcrum is mafia, Hunt is town.
#1752 - Replies to Shadow's scenarios.
town!fulcrum world: Null
scum!fulcrum world: I don't see the need for this post unless Rhand is a possibly mafia buddy? Wow I'm starting to get worried about Rhand.
#1761 - Interacting with Hunt
town!fulcrum world: pointing to Hunt lynching me doesn't make sense if she is town, makes Hunt likely mafia
scum!fulcrum world: Null.
Need to go so will continue this later, but what I learned that if fulcrum is town we should probably vig between Iso and Huntzilla. Personally I think Iso is more likely to be town based on his recent reactions. If fulcrum is mafia I learned that I don't want to vig both Iso or Hunt, and that out of those left I would probably vote for myself to vig Rhand? Oh god, Rhand was in my top three reads starting the day, I really need to re read him.
So this is where I'm at now:
fulcrum flips town - Vig Hunt
fulcrum flips mafia - Vig Rhand :/
Where is everyone? Deadline is geting closer... we need to come up with a plan...
Here is a link to countdown to the deadline, please check I'm not wrong.
The flaw is that we trust you in the plan not to roleblock me, which will never happen if you are mafia.
Basically, you would suggest this plan as town (who believes this is a good plan) or mafia (that wants to prevent me from using the vig shot and confirm myself, or maybe even NK me and take me and my vig shot out of the game, and cause us to mislynch Iso if you know he is town) so its WIFOM.
Whoever thinks Iso/fulcrum is the mafia team - Please read the last few posts and explain to me how they can be a team together. Unless they are EXTREMELY good at distancing themselves, I don't see it. I feel like if fulcrum turns mafia on the flip, we shouldn't vig Iso. If fulcrum flips town, then it can make sense to vig Iso but I still think he is more likely town than Hunt (although I didn't see the chat that clears him). I'm gonna re-read the last few pages from a confirmedtown!fulcrum mindset, and see if anything jumps out to me.
@Shadow - You are clear town IMO and you also didn't see the chat - What do you feel about Hunt and me vigging him tonight?
I kinda believe this. Well so Iso is probably town, which also makes me doubt Rhand a bit.
Shadow is town unless next level stuff.
Cantrip is town, mafia who knows I'm town wouldn't be so suspicious of me when the plan is me vigging someone and proving them wrong, they wouldn't want to put themselves in a position to look bad.
Fulcrum posts doesn't seem to come from mafia but I also don't see posts that makes me go "She has to be town" either.
Huntzilla is still lurking and that makes me super suspicious.
Lets divide this to Tiers of trust:
Tier I - Shadow, Cantrip
Tier II - Rhand, Iso (yes, crazy I know)
Tier III - fulcrum and Huntzilla
I'd like to go for that third tier and lynch fulcrum and vig Huntzilla with Shadow jailing Rhand or Iso.
How long until the deadline? Soon I have time to re read stuff. I remember thinking fulcrum and Hunt are not mafia together so gonna look back at that.
When you vote also add an unofficial vote for the vig. I will go for who the majority wants. If you won't I just decide who to vig myself.