All users will need to merge their MTGSalvation account with a new or existing Twitch account starting Sept 25th. You can merge your accounts by clicking here. Have questions? Learn more here.
Dismiss
 
The Magic Market Index for Jan 12, 2018
 
Treasure Cruisin' Tempered Steel
 
The Magic Market Index for Jan 5, 2018
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from 5colors »
    Quote from Jay13x »
    Thoughts on the voice that spoke to Kumena?


    My mind went Azor but I don't think so. Maybe the bat god and/or Elenda?


    Well, looking at the art of Azor, the Lawbringer and Sanctum of the Sphinx, the Immortal Sun is clearly on the ceiling, but Kumena describes it as being on the floor. That means that Azor's Sanctum is directly underneath the upper temple that Kumena was operating from. So it would make a lot of sense for Azor to be the voice. He could actually be just shouting at Kumena, no telepathic magic required.

    Quote from Chalsis »
    Wait... is Kumena *done*? Already? After all that buildup? What about the Tyrant of Orazca? What about the dangerous opponent that Tishana was so determined to stop? He was such an interesting villain with believable goals, and he just gets punked like that in the opening scene of Rivals by a two-dimensional cartoon like Vona?

    Either he'll be back, or that was just the biggest waste of potential I've seen from the Magic story in ages.


    Rule #1 of storylines like this one: No one is dead unless you see the body. Within the last year or so they've already pulled this exact same stunt with Pia Nalaar, Jaya Ballard, and Vona. Kumena will be back. If he was actually dead, they would have made sure that we all know it. If there's even a shadow of a doubt about a character's fate, it means that the writers want to have the ability to bring that character back when they see fit.

    Jace's memory of Alhammaret would probably affect how he handles Azor, who is without a doubt MUCH more powerful than Alhammaret. Who knows, Azor might even be Alhammaret's acquaintance or teacher at one point and immediately recognizes Jace's symbol (Alhammaret's collar). Azor might even told Jace that it was HIM who invented the Mage Rings, and Alhammaret was appointed to watch over the balance. O_O


    That would make a lot of sense. I was already expecting Vraska to be hostile towards Azor given her experience with his guild, but I thought that Jace would have to mediate between them. But the way that Azor was introduced in this story makes it seem like Jace is also going to be hostile towards Azor, at least at first. And the fact that they finally pointed out the connection between Jace's symbol and Alhammaret's collar can't be a coincidence either. There is almost definitely some sort of connection between Azor and Alhammaret, a connection that we will learn once we finally see Azor and Jace have a conservation. Maybe Azor and Alhammaret knew each other in the past like you said, or maybe Azor doesn't know him personally but is rather the progenitor of all sphinxes on Vryn. It would explain why Azor and Alhammaret have faces that are noticeably more humanlike than any other sphinxes we've seen. Alhammaret would have to be around for several centuries to have known Azor before the latter trapped himself on Ixalan, and we don't know if that's possible since we don't know the lifespan of sphinxes. But Alhammaret and all other sphinxes on Vryn being descendants of Azor could easily fit with the timeline and what we know about Azor.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Mastermind's Acquisition - Wish Tutor
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
    With the Sun, Bolas will have two planeswalker sparks in his possession.

    Can Ugin and Karn stop him now?


    I have a feeling that Azor will take his spark back out of it and leave the plane before Tezzeret takes it. One because it would be awful storytelling to hype up Azor such in such a way only to leave him on Ixalan, two because Jace will probably tell him about the terrible job he's been doing as guildpact and Azor will want to go to Ravnica to fix it, and three because it would be weird for Tezzeret to take the Immortal Sun with its ultra-powerful sphinx guardian in the same room.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    sorry if this is the wrong discussion, but after seeing Silent Gravestone, i have a big question: who is the Grim Captain? Have they said something about him/her?
    Necromancy isn't something seen on Ixalan, right?

    EDIT: well, except for the vampires if you count them. But i mean, reanimating corpses


    There is some necromancy on Ixalan, just not as much as somewhere like Innistrad. Grim Captain's Call and March of the Drowned for instance.

    The way I see it, there are two possibilities: either the Grim Captain is the a literal pirate captain who uses necromancy (presumably the human in the art of Grim Captain's Call) or it's just a euphemism for death on Ixalan, similar to the Grim Reaper. The former would make sense for a legendary creature; the latter would not. But even if the Grim Captain is an actual person, we won't be seeing a legendary creature card in this set, on account of all the rare and mythic spots being spoken for. However, it could be a possibility for a future Commander set or Return to Ixalan, especially since I've been seeing a lot of people saying that they want to see such a card (and the fact that pirates are in desperate need of a better Commander).
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from Caranthir »
    Quote from Quannage »
    Azor will regain his spark. if not in this set, then in a future one.
    MTG Vorthos completists will demand an Azor PW card incessantly, because we want a card for EVERY Planeswalker we see referenced in story, and especially planeswalkers that aren't aren't planeswalking anymore (re: Ob Nix, Ugin and Nahiri).


    Came to write exactly the same thing. Smile He will get his spark back somehow.


    I think that he'll get it back at the end of this set's story, though it may be something that is shown only in the actual stories themselves and not on the cards. I have a feeling that he would have gotten a planeswalker card in this set if not for external reasons, which is why had him arbitrarily lose his spark offscreen only to regain it. A GW walker did work better for color balance here than a WU one would, and if Ravnica is going to be the setting for the next fall and winter sets (which it very likely will), then they might have done this too avoid putting two WU walkers to close to each other. It's especially relevant if the Azorius appears in the first set rather than the second, since that would be only three sets away from Rivals. Vraska's PW card at least came one set earlier than Azor's hypothetically would have, and her next appearance might be one set later, depending on how they distribute the guilds between two sets this time around. A four or five set gap between planeswalkers of the same color identity is pretty normal, but three sets is definitely not optimal.

    So here's what I'm predicting: Jace and Vraska find Azor. They tell Azor about how the original Guildpact was broken, how Jace became the the Living Guildpact, and how he's been doing an absolutely awful job. Azor takes his own spark out of the Immortal Sun and planeswalks away to Ravnica to clean up Jace's mess. Then Jace wipes Vraska's mind at her request and leaves. Vraska calls in Tezzeret, who is now able to take the Immortal Sun easily with Azor gone. Vraska goes to Bolas's meditation plane to claim her reward. Jace most likely goes to Dominaria since he now remembers that being where he is supposed to meet the Gatewatch. At the same time, Angrath and Huatli realize that the barrier is down. Angrath returns home immediately, while Huatli has to decide if she wants to continue serving the Sun Empire or leave Ixalan to explore the multiverse.

    The Dominaria story will focus on at least some of the Gatewatch reuniting (probably Jace, Liliana, and Ajani, but possibly others as well) and also recruiting new members like Karn. After Dominaria and the core set, we'll return to Ravnica for two sets. Azor takes over as Living Guildpact (or, alternatively, gets rid of the position entirely and rewrites the Guildpact so that it is once again a document rather than an actual person). Vraska takes leadership of the Golgari, and will most likely have an encounter with Jace in which her memories that were "sealed away" are restored (possibly resulting in her taking an oath). Ral Zarek continues working on behalf of Bolas and will likely be the main antagonist. I don't think Dominaria or Ravnica will be the sets where Bolas uses the planar portal/eternal army/Immortal Sun for a full-scale invasion. It's too soon after Amonkhet, and there's a lot of other things going on in those sets - both mechanically and in the story - that there wouldn't be room for if everything was focused on another apocalypse caused by Bolas and his eternals.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Rivals of Ixlan Legendary Creature Speculation
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Azor confirmed once and for all (even though the art book confirmed it)




    Yeah, theory has been shot down. This means no allied color DFC enchantments either. Evidently we'll be getting WU and BG uncommons in place of two of them, with Jungle Creeper being already spoiled and the WU one still unrevealed. Protean Raider was also spoiled today, so the one remaining multicolor card will likely be a rare dinosaur (similar to how Regisaur Alpha mirrored Hostage Taker in Ixalan).

    So:
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Rivals of Ixlan Legendary Creature Speculation
    Alright I've been crunching the numbers and it looks like this set is going to have 23 multicolored cards. 151 is World Shaper, but 152 is Angrath, the Flame-Chained. 173 is Storm the Vault, and 175 is Awakened Amalgam, so 174 must be Zacama, Primal Calamity. 152 through 174 means 23 multicolored cards, which is quite a lot for a small set without a multicolor theme.

    Here's what we consider as good as confirmed so far:
    • 5 legendary mythics (Angrath, Huatli, Elenda, Kumena, Zacama)
    • 5 enemy-colored DFC enchantments
    • 8 archetype-defining uncommons (every color pair except WU and BG, just like Ixalan)

    That's 18 cards. 23 minus 18 leaves 5 more unaccounted for. Previously, I was wondering if there might ally-colored DFC enchantments in addition to enemy ones. But we also need to have Azor in there someone, since he's obviously WU. So what if... Azor is part of the DFC cycle?

    Think about it. We get 9 regular DFC enchantments at rare: one for every color pair except WU. The WU member of the cycle, however, is mythic rare, and instead of flipping from an enchantment to a land, it flips from a legendary creature to a planeswalker.

    It would be an exception to all Ixalan DFCs being all lands on the back, but Ulrich was a similar exception to all Eldritch Moon DFCs being eldrazi on the back. It also contradicts Maro's statement that Rivals has two planeswalkers, but Maro is known to say things that are only true by technicality, and for the purposes of counting the number of cards of a certain type/color/rarity, usually only the front sides of DFCs are counted. By that logic, Ixalan has two planeswalkers and 9 legendary creatures (one which just happens to be a planeswalker on the back).

    This is by no means a guarantee, and there are other cards that could account for the missing spots, but I think that this would explain a lot - why there are so many multicolored cards in this set, why Huatli was allowed to be the second planeswalker despite Azor being on the plane as well, why Azor losing his spark was included in the story, and why Azor was even included in the story in the first place (if he's not able to go to Ravnica, then what would even be the point of introducing him?)...

    So if I'm correct, the multicolored cards will end up being:
    • 6 mythics - Angrath, Huatli, Elenda, Kumena, Zacama, Azor
    • 9 rares - all enchantments that transform into lands, every color pair except WU
    • 8 uncommons - archetype-defining multicolored uncommons, every color pair except WU and BG

    This will probably get either confirmed or disproven very soon, but I wanted to get it out here before that happens. Thoughts, anyone?
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Elenda, the Dusk Rose
    "Remember Chasm Skulker? Let's do that again, but dressed up as a vampire."

    I don't hate the card, and I kind of want to build around it, but it is a bit underwhelming. I feel like a lot of this set's mythics feel like rares. But then again, a lot of rares feel like mythics (elder dinos in particular). Technically having the rares at mythic and the mythics at rare just lets us get the better cards more often, so I guess it's a good thing.

    It's unfortunate that its last ability doesn't work well in Commander, because that's where it should shine the most. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that in order to get the death trigger in an EDH game you have to let her go to the graveyard rather than the command zone to get the death trigger. Putting her back in the command zone is a replacement effect, so if you do so, she isn't put into a graveyard from the battlefield (which is the definition of dying). It doesn't make her unplayable in EDH or anything, but throwing in a lot of recursion effects just to be able to use her last ability more than once is an inconvenience, plus I'm sure that it will confuse a fair number of less experienced EDH players and lead to disappointment when they're corrected.

    They could have fixed it easily by having the ability trigger whenever Elenda leaves the battlefield instead of when she dies. It would have made her marginally more powerful, but I don't think the card is anywhere close to being too powerful as it is. It would have opened up blinking shenanigans as well, but the counters would fall off and she would only return as a 1/1, so it would be good but not broken. I don't know, I think it's a fun card, but the functionality leaves something to be desired.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on An Idea for Hazoret's character going into the future.
    My main issue with this is that Samut is already a planeswalker. If Samut wasn't a planeswalker, I think that Hazoret could have easily replaced her as a native planeswalker from Amonkhet, and probably have been a much more interesting character to be perfectly honest. But having Samut and Hazoret both be planeswalkers creates some issues for me. For one thing, it's a huge coincidence that both would even have sparks. Amonkhet is plane with a relatively low population to begin with, and it's extremely low after the apocalypse. So what are the odds that two of those survivors, who number probably only in the hundreds of a few thousand at the most, are both planeswalkers? Keep in mind that sparks are supposed to be a one-in-a-million thing.

    Granted, we just had a block about how a political leader from one plane planeswalked completely at random to a plane that happened to have his nemesis on it, then almost immediately runs into nemesis from the same plane he's a political leader one, and this plane also happens to be where the founder of the government he's in control of is trapped on. That's an insane series of coincidences. Magic's story is built on coincidences. With focus on a handful of planeswalkers in an infinite number of planes, it has to be. The Ixalan story relied on coincidence but was told in such a way that it felt at least somewhat natural, and much of it was explained decently rather than happening completely by chance. Samut and Hazoret both being planeswalkers (or Samut and Djeru, as I've seen other people suggest) would just feel to forced in my opinion. I think as a general rule, it's best to avoid people who knew each other before either became a planeswalker both becoming planeswalkers later on. We never see two planebound friends both igniting, it's always one igniting (and then, if they're lucky, befriending other planeswalkers, often from other planes). I feel like your proposal violates that unspoken rule. It's almost offensively coincidental.

    The other issue that Samut creates for Hazoret as a theoretical planeswalker is that both have the same story role. If we never return to Amonkhet, it does make a lot of sense to have a planeswalker carry on its legacy, much like Tamiyo for Kamigawa. But Samut does that just fine. We don't need a Hazoret planeswalker. Don't get me wrong, I would have much rather seen Hazoret fill that role than Samut, because I think that a fallen god would have been a much more interesting character than yet another human with a superpower, but as long as Samut exists, Hazoret doesn't seem practical.

    Samut reminds us that Amonkhet still exists in the same way that Hazoret would. She has the same backstory to motivate her to fight Bolas. She would bring more or less the same set of skills (speed, strength, fighting prowess, and the ability to inspire others) to the Gatewatch. Their personalities might differ (at least Hazoret has a personality), but the whole fish-out-of-water comic relief thing that Hazoret would bring to the table is already present thanks to Nissa, and to a lesser extent, Ajani. Wanting more non-human planeswalkers is a valid concern (and one that I have voiced my opinion on in the past) but there are many other non-human planeswalkers that could also diversify the Gatewatch (and give us more fish-out-of-water humor like Nissa and Ajani; if we even need any more of that, because personally I think they've had every chance at it already with Nissa and have yet to do it particularly well).

    So basically, if Samut wasn't a planeswalker, I'd say go for it. But because she exists, I don't think Hazoret as a planeswalker would be very practical. I think that she's mainly a seed for a return block on Amonkhet if they decide to even make one (which will depend on multiple factors, including the perceived audience response to the first block and where the story goes). I could see Hazoret playing a very major role if/when we do return, but I don't think that introducing her as a planeswalker would be the right move even then.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Rivals of Ixlan Legendary Creature Speculation
    I don't follow the lore of Magic like many other players. I am curious to know based on the story and other known information, what characters are likely to receive cards in the Rivals of Ixlan set? What is their likely color identity and what type of mechanics or abilities would these creatures have based on lore?


    • Zetalpa, Primal Dawn ( white mana elder dinosaur with flying)
    • Nezahal, Primal Tide ( blue mana elder dinosaur, probably with hexproof)
    • Tetzimoc, Primal Death ( black mana elder dinosaur)
    • Etali, Primal Storm ( red mana elder dinosaur, probably with haste)
    • Ghalta, Primal Hunger ( green mana elder dinosaur)
    • Zacama, Primal Calamity ( red mana green mana white mana or white mana blue mana black mana red mana green mana elder dinosaur, almost certainly mythic)
    • Elendra, the Dusk Rose ( white mana black mana vampire, anyone's guess for mechanics)
    • Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca ( green mana blue mana merfolk that will likely interact with city's blessing given role in story)

    There could be others (note the lack of pirates), but these are as good as confirmed since their full card names appear in the art book.

    There isn't much in terms of lore. Kumena is a merfolk who searched for the golden city of Orazca (the merfolk are supposed to protect from everyone, including themselves, but Kumena went rogue). Evidently he found it, causing the city to rise out of the ground and the six elder dinosaurs to be released.

    Elendra was a human on Torrezon (another continent on the plane where the vampires and pirates come from). She went to Ixalan centuries ago and became the first to receive the "blessing" of vampirism, likely from the bat god Aclazotz (Temple of Aclazotz). She returned to Torrezon and taught other humans how to become vampires. Later, the Immortal Sun was stolen from Torrezon and taken to Ixalan. She went back to Ixalan in search of it and is evidently still alive there.


    Insightful analysis.

    Not sure if mono blue dino will get hexproof. It seems like they have been straying away from giving legendary creatures hexproof for commander purposes (because it's less fun due to it not being interactive). Perhaps blue could be unblockable or flying. White could be lifelink or vigilance.


    My guesses mainly come from the images from the Ixalan art book (https://imgur.com/gallery/kizSI). The (presumably) blue one is the sea monster-like one and the (presumably) white one has wings. Since the black and green members of the cycle seem to indicate that each would have a single evergreen keyword, I think that flying is a safe bet for white.

    Blue doesn't have access to many evergreen keywords so I tried to figure out its keyword by process of elimination. It isn't flying because the white one has flying and the blue one clearly doesn't fly in its art. Prowess is an option for blue but would be pretty lame on a large creature (the same can be said for Tetzimoc's deathtouch, but prowess even more so). That pretty much leaves hexproof and flash, and hexproof shows up much more frequently on large sea creatures than flash. But as you said, unblockable is also a possibility, and it wouldn't be the first time that unblockable was used as a replacement for an evergreen keyword in a cycle (Azorius Herald, Dimir Keyrune).

    It's difficult to guess what the non-keyword abilities will be for the other members of the cycle. The static cost reduction on the green one and the activated ability on the black one have little in common, except that both affect the card while it's in your hand, but not while it's on the battlefield. It's possible that the other three (or four, depending on whether or not the multicolored one breaks form) might also have abilities that function in your hand, or at least in a zone other than the battlefield. Or they might not. We'll find out in a few days.
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Rivals of Ixlan Legendary Creature Speculation
    I don't follow the lore of Magic like many other players. I am curious to know based on the story and other known information, what characters are likely to receive cards in the Rivals of Ixlan set? What is their likely color identity and what type of mechanics or abilities would these creatures have based on lore?


    • Zetalpa, Primal Dawn ( white mana elder dinosaur with flying)
    • Nezahal, Primal Tide ( blue mana elder dinosaur, probably with hexproof)
    • Tetzimoc, Primal Death ( black mana elder dinosaur)
    • Etali, Primal Storm ( red mana elder dinosaur, probably with haste)
    • Ghalta, Primal Hunger ( green mana elder dinosaur)
    • Zacama, Primal Calamity ( red mana green mana white mana or white mana blue mana black mana red mana green mana elder dinosaur, almost certainly mythic)
    • Elendra, the Dusk Rose ( white mana black mana vampire, anyone's guess for mechanics)
    • Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca ( green mana blue mana merfolk that will likely interact with city's blessing given role in story)

    There could be others (note the lack of pirates), but these are as good as confirmed since their full card names appear in the art book.

    There isn't much in terms of lore. Kumena is a merfolk who searched for the golden city of Orazca (the merfolk are supposed to protect from everyone, including themselves, but Kumena went rogue). Evidently he found it, causing the city to rise out of the ground and the six elder dinosaurs to be released.

    Elendra was a human on Torrezon (another continent on the plane where the vampires and pirates come from). She went to Ixalan centuries ago and became the first to receive the "blessing" of vampirism, likely from the bat god Aclazotz (Temple of Aclazotz). She returned to Torrezon and taught other humans how to become vampires. Later, the Immortal Sun was stolen from Torrezon and taken to Ixalan. She went back to Ixalan in search of it and is evidently still alive there.
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on A planeswalker confirmed and other spoilers
    It really doesn't make sense to me that Azor needed to give up his spark to create the Immortal Sun. If he was able to create the Guildpact (which was basically the reverse of the enchantment of the Immortal Sun, keeping planeswalkers out rather than in, plus several other functions) without losing his spark, why would he lose his spark for this? Why not just say that he made the Immortal Sun without losing his spark, but it still prevented him from leaving on account of him being a planeswalker? I feel like the whole "planeswalker loses their spark" storyline is really played out by now anyway; they've used it several different times and in this case it really wasn't even necessary. Anyway, he must get his spark back from the Immortal Sun at some point, because they wouldn't be so stupid as to introduce Azor like this only to not make him a planeswalker. Maybe he'll be an Origins-style flip-walker though, since we already have DFCs in the set. Obviously it would be an exception to the "Ixalan DFCs are lands on the back" rule, but Ulrich was an exception to the "Eldritch Moon DFCs are eldrazi on the back" rule, so I could still see it happening.

    This whole story synopsis raises more questions than it answers. Why would Azor even want to create the barrier keeping planeswalkers out of Ixalan? Does Azor end up getting his spark back from the Immortal Sun? Why would Azor allow Tezzeret to take the Immortal Sun while Azor is in the city guarding it? How does Vraska first react to meeting Azor, given her hatred of the Azorius? Why does Jace erase Vraska's memories rather than just tell her not to go back to Bolas and not to call Tezzeret? What are Jace and Azor doing when Tezzeret shows up, and why don't they try to stop him? Why wouldn't Bolas just do the same thing to Vraska that he did to Sarkhan and Tezzeret, completely taking over her mind, just to be safe? He really has no reason not to at this point. Also, what about all the other characters? How does Angrath and Huatli's alliance work out for them? When the Immortal Sun leaves the plane it will presumably let planeswalkers leave, and I assume that Angrath will go home, but what about Huatli? Does she go with Angrath, or to Kaladesh, or does she pull a Narset and stay on her home plane for the time being?

    Some of these are just details that were left out of the art book summary but others seem like outright plot holes. Since art books are written before the actual story and tend to be an early blueprint of the story and not 100% accurate, hopefully the actual story will clear things up, but I still think that Jace allowing Vraska to summon Tezzeret and go back to Bolas doesn't make very much sense at all. It would be one thing if his whole ordeal on Ixalan made him decide to abandon the Gatewatch and not care about fighting Bolas anymore, but clearly he is still concerned with Bolas and he leaves to find the Gatewatch (meaning that he might show up in Dominaria), so why not take Vraska and/or the Immortal Sun with him instead of delivering them both to Bolas? The way it's described makes it sound like Jace will eventually find Vraska and give her back her memories of him, turning her into an ally again, quite possibly in Ravnica 3. But from Bolas's perspective, is their any reason not to just do what he did to Sarkhan and Tezzeret? He clearly has the power to do so, and it's much safer for him than letting his agents have their own free will. He already read Vraska's mind before she went to Ixalan and saw that she intended to betray him, so he probably should have done it then to be honest. There's just no way that what Jace is doing is a good idea. At all. Since he's the protagonist I'm sure it will actually end up paying off, since it will give him a future double agent working for Bolas when he needs it, but logically it really shouldn't work out for him, and it's a bad call any way you look at it.

    This is just my gut reaction to everything and of course I will have to withhold judgement to some extent until we see things actually play out in the story. But I really feel like this is not a good way to end the story, and unless they have a damn good explanation that didn't make it into the art book, it leaves a lot of plot holes. Ravnica 3 should be able to redeem things somewhat even if this block's ending is little nonsensical. Hopefully there we will get to see Jace restore Vraska's memories that were specifically "sealed away" rather than destroyed. I don't know why Bolas wouldn't be able to see them in that case since he has been shown to be a much more powerful telepath than Jace, but I guess that the protagonists need to get a win somehow. Hopefully then we'll get the payoff for Vraska's character development and relationship with Jace. Ravnica 3 should also involve Azor, assuming that he gets his spark back, which I am confident that he will. I also hope to see him take over the role of Guildpact from Jace, since clearly Jace is completely incompetent and rarely even present on the plane. It's obvious that Jace being tied down to one plane does not mesh well with plane-hopping superhero story that creative is trying to tell, and Azor gives them a very convenient out. I would be appalled if they weren't planning to do this since they first decided to have Azor be involved on Ixalan.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on New Dominaria artwork + some quotes from Ethan Fleischer
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
    Quote from mitch1238 »


    MaRo has already said that the more recent mechanical implementation of Slivers is what we should expect going forward.


    I'm not a fan of any tribal card that benefit only the controllers, it's a lazy design like Hexproof instead of Shroud, or recent design of black moving away from severe risk.


    It's not lazy design. Lazy design does exist, but this isn't it. The new and old templates for slivers are functionally identical 95% of the time or more, except in sliver-heavy limited environments. "Slivers you control have flying" is no lazier than "all slivers you control have flying". This is a templating issue, not a design one.

    Essentially it's attempting to cater to newer players by making things more intuitive (and arguably less complex). The change in the sliver template and the change from shroud to hexproof are alike in that way, so your comparison was perfect. Players, especially new players, assumed that shroud wouldn't stop their own positive spells from targeting their creatures. Similarly, they assumed that their tribal lords wouldn't help their opponents' creatures. (Keep in mind that it wasn't just slivers that used to be that way; all tribes had the template change but it was most jarring for slivers because the change happened so much later for them). In both cases, the change just made the cards function the way many people originally assumed they would. If it's not blatantly either a group hug/political card or a card with a clear drawback like most demons, newer player expect their cards to help them and not their opponents. You can understand how fighting against that instinct might be more trouble than it's worth.

    Don't get me wrong; I'm not totally against the sliver templating change. It bothers me that different slivers are worded in different ways and I wouldn't have minded it the old version staying just by the virtue of being grandfathered in. I could also understand the appeal of how the old wording creates difficult choices in sliver mirror matches, both constructed and limited, which can create interesting gameplay. But like shroud was before hexproof, the old wording is not particularly good for new players. In a game that has a high barrier of entry and a lot of complexity already, it's probably for the best.

    I get it. Seeing new players take priority kind of sucks when you're more experienced and those things aren't confusing at all for you. But while experienced players do spend more time and money on the game, it's important to keep new players coming in as well. There needs to be a balance. It requires some compromises.

    There are times when I will take a stand against their attempts to reduce complexity. I disagree with Maro's belief that every set between Origins and Ixalan was too complex, and I felt that the decresed complexity on Ixalan was to the detriment of the overall set. But with things like hexproof versus shroud and the wording on slivers, it's on a much smaller scale. There are pros and cons to both sides but it's a relatively minor change that will save new players some headaches, and if that's the sacrifice we need to make for more complexity in other areas, so be it.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Legendary Creatures in Rivals of Ixalan
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Quote from Buffsam89 »
    Is there confirmation that the new ‘saur is Naya? I can pull some B from that art, a little hard to justify U, though.


    No confirmation, just speculation. The reasoning might just be "3 heads = 3 colors". It could be WUBRG just as easily as Naya in my opinion.

    Outside of the six dinosaurs, Elenda, and Kumena, I'm skeptical that we get any other legendary creatures, this being a small set and all. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. It's a shame that the elder dinosaurs are taking so many legendary creature slots, especially with so many other characters without cards who are actually sentient. I guess that's what Commander sets are for.


    If we are a getting a legend for vampires, merfolks and dinosaurs, i think that pirates will get one too.
    Unless the spot is taken by Angrath


    It's possible that we get a pirate legend. But pirates already have two legendary creatures (Brass and Storm) and three planeswalkers (Jace, Vraska, and Angrath) so I wouldn't be too surprised to see them get shorted in this set either. Unlike the other factions, the pirates don't have any characters that are super relevant to the main story that don't yet have cards. There's no way that we don't see Elenda, Kumena, and elder dino cards. Pirates could get a new legend, it's just less of a guarantee.

    Quote from Etherium Sage »
    I've updated the original post in light of the six elder dinosaurs being confirmed recently and art for Kumena and Elenda being revealed on Ultra Pro products today.

    Outside of the six dinosaurs, Elenda, and Kumena, I'm skeptical that we get any other legendary creatures, this being a small set and all. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. It's a shame that the elder dinosaurs are taking so many legendary creature slots, especially with so many other characters without cards who are actually sentient. I guess that's what Commander sets are for.


    That's assuming Elenda isn't a surprise black and/or white planeswalker. Her artwork (assuming that is her artwork) looks planeswalker-y to me.


    I kind of does, but it seems unlikely. For one thing, we already have a WB vampire planeswalker, and he's not going to stay in that wall forever. Also, there's no reason in the story currently why Elenda would need to be a planeswalker. Having her go to Ixalan, get vampirism from Aclaztoz, bring it back to her home, and then go back to Ixalan again for the Immortal Sun would work just fine as a story arc. No planar travel needed. And of course, there's also the fact that if Elenda did get a card, someone else (Azor most likely) would end up not getting one.

    Also, if there was going to be a vampire planeswalker in this set, they almost certainly would have used it for the vampire planeswalker deck. Vraska being the face card instead strongly implies that there isn't a vampire planeswalker in the block.

    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Quote from 5colors »
    Jay posted this on tumblr;
    https://vorthosjay.tumblr.com/post/168512184571/ultra-pro-rivals-of-ixalan-images-ultra-pros

    I'm on board with the three headed Dino being Naya and being symbolic of the three-fold sun.

    Also looks like we got Kumena art.


    So elder dinosaur 6 is a hydra?


    It might be a hydra in the same way as O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami: a giant reptilian monster with multiple heads that is a hydra in every sense of the word but doesn't have hydra as a creature type.

    "Legendary Creature - Elder Dinosaur Hydra" would probably be the most badass thing I've ever heard, but it might not fit on the type line.


    we got "Zombie Minotaur Warrior" Neheb, the Eternal your telling me they can't fit that?


    They've been kind of inconsistent with their willingness to shrink text to fit longer type lines. They used compressed text to fit "Legendary Artifact Creature - Human Wizard" on Sen Triplets, but later they made Breya, Etherium Shaper and Silas Renn, Seeker Adept humans rather than human artificers so that they wouldn't have to used compressed text. Only a few months after, they brought back the compressed text for Neheb. They probably could fit "Elder Dragon Hydra" on a card with the type of compressed text, but whether they decide to do it or not is anyone's guess.

    Another consideration for this card (and O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami) is that they might think that putting hydra on the type line undermines the flavor of the card. In O-Kagachi's case, it was important to convey that he was a dragon and a spirit. A hydra? Not so much. Even though he might look like a hydra, hydras aren't really part of Japanese mythology nor very important to what O-Kagachi is so it probably would have just muddled the message. Similarly, with this card, they might choose to omit hydra from the type line to emphasize the creature's dinosaur-ness over its hydra-ness. There's also the fact that the card is (sort of) part of a larger cycle of elder dinosaurs, and it would be more aesthetically pleasing to have them all have the same creature types (although if any of them should get a unique type line, it should be the multicolored one).

    I guess what I'm saying is that you could make an argument for either side - elder dinosaur hydra or just elder dinosaur - but we'll have to wait and see which one they actually decided to go with.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Legendary Creatures in Rivals of Ixalan
    Quote from Buffsam89 »
    Is there confirmation that the new ‘saur is Naya? I can pull some B from that art, a little hard to justify U, though.


    No confirmation, just speculation. The reasoning might just be "3 heads = 3 colors". It could be WUBRG just as easily as Naya in my opinion.

    Outside of the six dinosaurs, Elenda, and Kumena, I'm skeptical that we get any other legendary creatures, this being a small set and all. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. It's a shame that the elder dinosaurs are taking so many legendary creature slots, especially with so many other characters without cards who are actually sentient. I guess that's what Commander sets are for.


    If we are a getting a legend for vampires, merfolks and dinosaurs, i think that pirates will get one too.
    Unless the spot is taken by Angrath


    It's possible that we get a pirate legend. But pirates already have two legendary creatures (Brass and Storm) and three planeswalkers (Jace, Vraska, and Angrath) so I wouldn't be too surprised to see them get shorted in this set either. Unlike the other factions, the pirates don't have any characters that are super relevant to the main story that don't yet have cards. There's no way that we don't see Elenda, Kumena, and elder dino cards. Pirates could get a new legend, it's just less of a guarantee.

    Quote from Etherium Sage »
    I've updated the original post in light of the six elder dinosaurs being confirmed recently and art for Kumena and Elenda being revealed on Ultra Pro products today.

    Outside of the six dinosaurs, Elenda, and Kumena, I'm skeptical that we get any other legendary creatures, this being a small set and all. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. It's a shame that the elder dinosaurs are taking so many legendary creature slots, especially with so many other characters without cards who are actually sentient. I guess that's what Commander sets are for.


    That's assuming Elenda isn't a surprise black and/or white planeswalker. Her artwork (assuming that is her artwork) looks planeswalker-y to me.


    I kind of does, but it seems unlikely. For one thing, we already have a WB vampire planeswalker, and he's not going to stay in that wall forever. Also, there's no reason in the story currently why Elenda would need to be a planeswalker. Having her go to Ixalan, get vampirism from Aclaztoz, bring it back to her home, and then go back to Ixalan again for the Immortal Sun would work just fine as a story arc. No planar travel needed. And of course, there's also the fact that if Elenda did get a card, someone else (Azor most likely) would end up not getting one.

    Also, if there was going to be a vampire planeswalker in this set, they almost certainly would have used it for the vampire planeswalker deck. Vraska being the face card instead strongly implies that there isn't a vampire planeswalker in the block.

    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Quote from 5colors »
    Jay posted this on tumblr;
    https://vorthosjay.tumblr.com/post/168512184571/ultra-pro-rivals-of-ixalan-images-ultra-pros

    I'm on board with the three headed Dino being Naya and being symbolic of the three-fold sun.

    Also looks like we got Kumena art.


    So elder dinosaur 6 is a hydra?


    It might be a hydra in the same way as O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami: a giant reptilian monster with multiple heads that is a hydra in every sense of the word but doesn't have hydra as a creature type.

    "Legendary Creature - Elder Dinosaur Hydra" would probably be the most badass thing I've ever heard, but it might not fit on the type line.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on What comes after Dominaria?
    Quote from Etherium Sage »
    Thoughts?


    I like what I'm seeing for the most part. I think that if Nissa goes to a new plane, it would be a plane suited to her abilities.

    Innistrad and Amonkhet are not planes she can do well on, due to the corruption present on both planes. The plane we see her on might actually be similar to Zendikar in terms of having a strong worldsoul to communicate with and copious amounts of mana that won't kill her if she tries to wield it. Another thing to note about Nissa is that "Become the hand that moves" thing that seemed to be developing while she was on Amonkhet. It could be foreshadowing for some huge development she will get later down the road (and let's be honest, she arguably has one of the most OP ability sets of any of the Gatewatch already), or it could be an un-fired Chekhov's Gun.


    I think that eventually Nissa will go back to Innistrad and be the one to release Emrakul again, but it's way too soon after the last appearance of Innistrad to have that be Nissa's next appearance. Note that she probably won't release Emrakul until after the Bolas conflict wraps up, and it could easily be the fourth visit to Innistrad rather than the third. The best way to do the third Innistrad would probably be a return to the original gothic horror with little if any eldrazi, with the main villain being something more less world-threatening like Tibalt, Ashiok, or Garruk. Also, Sorin can get broken out of the wall and Arlinn can actually be part of the plot.

    Is it possible that Shandalar can get a set to itself for once? I can see Nissa being there.


    I think it really depends on what the new core sets are like. If it's like M10 through M15, where almost everything is from Shandalar unless stated otherwise, then Shandalar will probably be stuck once again as a core set-only location. However, if they go more in the direction of Origins with a wide variety of planes being represented, then a normal set on Shandalar would feel a lot less redundant.

    Quote from 5colors »

    If I had to guess, I'd say that it will go Dominaria, Core Set, Regatha, Ravnica 3 Part 1, Ravnica 3 Part 2, Core Set, new plane with Nissa, Return to Theros Part 1, Return to Theros Part 2.


    I think this looks pretty good, only thing I can say is I echo the thought that there might not be enough to Regatha for a full set but I'd be happy to be wrong.


    Well, Kaladesh as it was represented in Origins was mostly just humans and thopters, but the real set had dwarves, vedalken, aetherborn, gremlins, elves, servos, etc. As a result, Regatha (and Vryn) probably have a lot more to them than what we saw in Origins, and they could expand on what they've already introduced in many different ways. The bigger issue with Regatha is that it doesn't exactly cross anything off the short list. There's nothing about it that would really draw people in, so they would need to find a clever way to expand on what they've established in such a way that it creates a theme that draws people in.

    If not I could see Chandra maybe showing up on a random new plane as well, or to save space have her and Nissa show up together since they have a ongoing storyline with each other.


    That's definitely possible, but they fled from Amonkhet separately so it's very unlikely that they would both end up on the same new plane. So a set/block that has both of them would probably need to be a previously established meeting point, meaning Ravnica or Dominaria. Either that or they meet up on one of those planes before traveling somewhere else together, but then that would require explanation for why they went somewhere new rather than either waiting for the rest of the team or going to search for them.

    I do think it could work for them both to meet on Ravnica and star in that block, especially if it takes place concurrently with Ixalan so Jace (and other planeswalkers on Ixalan) couldn't be there to steal the show. It would explain why the rendezvous point was stated to be Dominaria in the art book but never explicitly named in the actual story:

    "Please," he [Ajani] said. "Don't go to Amonkhet. Not yet. Stay here, or go find allies elsewhere. In the morning we can pick a rendezvous point. We can meet up in a few weeks' time, count our allies, compare notes, and plan our next move."

    "We'll pick a rendezvous in the morning," he [Gideon] said. "Then we'll meet Ajani there...after we face Bolas."


    Aether Revolt Story, Episode 9: Renewal

    There is a rendezvous point, but it's never actually named in the actual story. They write the art books before the actual articles (and there's been issues with consistency before), so maybe they were planning to have it be Dominaria at that point and they put it in the art book. But then they might changed their minds about where they wanted to go with story and changed it. That might explain why Chandra and/or Nissa went to Ravnica rather than Dominaria, if that's what ends up happening.

    Quote from MagusZanin666 »

    If I had to guess, I'd say that it will go Dominaria, Core Set, Regatha, Ravnica 3 Part 1, Ravnica 3 Part 2, Core Set, new plane with Nissa, Return to Theros Part 1, Return to Theros Part 2.


    One possibility I've not seen anyone mention yet is that they will be using the Core Set as an actual story expansion. Have you considered that Regatha could also be Core 2018? Regatha was the historical core set plane for a few years, and they might not want to expand on it enough for a full expansion on top of that fact. If they make the Core set an actual plot point (and not just an interlude like previous Cores), they will not only have a solid story focused mechanical basis for the half new - half old way they are now doing them, but also help keep the plot moving along just as fast, which is something they've made a priority out of for the last few years.


    This what Maro said about core set storyline;
    https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/metamorphosis-2-0-2017-06-12

    The set will have some story relevance, but more in a "filling in information of the past about relevant characters" way than telling a piece of the "present-day" story.




    Good to know. Those are the types of stories I've been wishing they would do between main sets instead of giving us nothing for weeks. I don't think we've had one since Pride of the Kraul. If core sets give us more of those types of stories, I'll be very pleased. Then again, I might be reading into this to much, and Maro might just be referring to the cards themselves revealing information (like the new art on Phyrexian Arena in Conspiracy) rather than actual story articles. I guess that like everything else with this new type of core set, we'll have to wait until the first one roles around to find out.
    Posted in: Speculation
  • To post a comment, please or register a new account.