it seems to me that with pack prices stabilized by only giving out packs as prizes for some limited events the prices for chase constructed cards has risen to the point where demand controls the price not redemption.
If this trend continues wotc will nix redemption.
So, I followed the first paragraph, but then this assertion comes out of nowhere. Why do you think that they'll do away with the (popular) redemption program that continues to bridge the gap between MODO and cardboard? You suggest that if they do so, paper prices will rise, which seems correct - and also something that WOTC would want to avoid.
Redemption is a great psychological tool to help alleviate fear. People are less afraid of putting their money in this hole in the ground if there's a tangible way to get something physical out of it at the end. With a $25/set fee, they're probably even making a buck or two for every set that gets redeemed. It's a win/win for both WOTC and the playerbase. I don't see it going away any time soon.
So you think they would just leave it there as a failsafe? I would agree with that for a while, but if the number of sets redeemed falls below the threshold to print the sets I could easily see them nixing it. Many of us have suspected that has been their goal for a while.
This is specifically referring to standard chase cards.
I pulled up MTGgoldfish looking at the T8 decklists from the PT and thought it strange that the online prices were within 10-15% of paper. I know that most of these cards are chase and that the redeemable set value is still far below (stabilize at 20% +25 usually) paper prices but it seems to me that with pack prices stabilized by only giving out packs as prizes for some limited events the prices for chase constructed cards has risen to the point where demand controls the price not redemption.
If this trend continues wotc will nix redemption. Do you think redemption is still critical for MTGO to function or is there more wotc can do tinkering with pack to chest to point payouts to further reduce redemption demand?
If that's the case won't it increase post release demand for boxes since boxes will again be the only way to get paper sets?
I logged in to test the waters. I was going to send to some promoted deals tonight but I figured I would put some stuff on my want list...
Mobile site is unmanageable garbage. After fighting for 10 min I managed to add 2 Beta Dark Ritual but couldn't figure out how to add Wastes. Seriously. These Jokers want money??
Wizard's ships sets via Fed-Ex Ground, so you cannot have them sent to a PO Box.
Over the weekend, I redeemed for a full set. I have a PO Box linked to my shipping info on my account; after seeing this thread I called Wizards and asked if the PO Box would be an issue and was reassured that if the team in charge of shipping would see a PO Box that they would ship the set with USPS so that it is deliverable to a Box address.
You are correct. Wizards has updated it's shipping methods and I have reflected their new wording in the FAQ.
Got a lucky random coming my way (a send from left field)... Had Singing Tree promoted at 5,700 points. Someone grabbed it & it's on it's way. Getting a card like this has somewhat restored faith in me. It was a spiral of goodness that followed (paying it forward maybe?). The Singing Tree ate up a lot of my points, so I needed to restock. So, w/o wanting a reciprocal trade, I sent out over 5,700 points, just to make sure I had PP's for Amonkhet.
I think that's a very good sign. Promoted trades are so much better than bounties and I think people want Puca to work. People are willing to take the risk if the payout is high enough.
Simple question... is reciprocal trades going to stay forever? I still get randoms coming in, but when one is trying to whittle down their points, recips don't help. Is this truly a healthy environment to trade?
Anyone find a new technique, trick, or avenue to bring others in for trades? I joined a few trade groups on Facebook a few months ago, but nothing came to fruition from there.
I was hoping promoted trades would pull others out of the reciprocal trade style (which feels unhealthy, but I am guilty of it just to keep up w/ Jones...).
Kinda sad when the thought pops in the head "remember back in the day when people would trade freely... When the days after a pre-release all of your points were eaten up by others ditching their cards. I remember not having enough points during the pre-release weekend to get what I wanted from the new set. I began to prepare ahead of time by sending out a mass amount of cards, sitting on $200 in points AND still running out of points. Those we're the Puca Trade salad days...
There's been a lot of talk on the discord channel about trying to get away from reciprocal trading. I think it will eventually go back to the way things were, but the bottom line is that Puca Points have to be attractive. Right now they're viewed more as a liability, albeit not nearly as bad as 3 or 4 months ago. Things are definitely moving in the right direction. If people are random sending goyfs (I got one with a promotion too!) and fetches, then it's definitely healthier than it was.
The huge point sinks that have been at work have definitely been helping. I think the promotions are the biggest help. People see that they can get the cards they want by spending a little more, so they are more willing to send stuff off to build up points. I think another 6 months or so and things will really be humming along. At least that's my hope.
Confidence will come back like a wave. Do you think people are exploiting the large disparity between 100 points and a dollar? Ie, I can send off stuff for 60% promotion and then get it back in a few months for 10%?
Also does this seem like the perfect way to "trade down" If you can send a Goyf that cost you $85 for 13000 points you could get back a ton of 100-200 point cards with a wide buy list.
With that said, it may be a long time before we see high dollar cards being sent without promotion. The system didn't really give incentives to trade down before unless you thought a reprint was coming. Now that they are there they might stick.
This is really a question that I wish Jeff was still here to chime in on. Stores basically get paid to buy something at one price and sit on it until somebody will meet their selling price. Sometimes discounting it either directly or indirectly AKA TCG fees will generate enough interest to move the product. Maintaining an active buying and selling singles business is very labor intensive. If the store doesn't have a big tournament scene or their tournament seen as primarily in limited meaning they are making money on sealed product they're going to stick with that.
A store that is trying to move a lot of volume or has the market to move a lot of volume will pay more. That's why everybody raged against Star city a few years back because they were buy listing Legacy Staples above sell/ebay rates. They needed those cards to take the tournament so they were paying a premium and charging and premium because they had the market.
I haven't signed up for Discord yet but I plan to.
How are the promoted trades working? Is there a specific percentage threshold people need to offer in order to start seeing more cards come through?
It really depends on the card you're trying to get. If it's something like a standard only card (i.e. Saheeli), probably about 20-30%. If it's something like a fetch land, quite a bit higher. I had 2 windswept heaths (khans) promoted at about 80% and it took about 2 weeks to get one of them sent.
If you need to give a 20% bonus on a standard card I'm thinking that the site it's still too inflated for my taste. I know I could get bonuses trading stuff away and maybe I should try that first, but I can't see buying back in until the inflation is fixed
If your goal is just to learn the interface to the trial outside of the account login page is probably the best bet play out full
games.I which Wizards would update that UI a little bit and bring it into the client even if you were still stuck on those intro decks. It is what it is.
If you are relatively new to the game and have only played standard I don't really recommend playing pauper unless you want to learn an eternal format. Once you learn the interface you can decide whether you want to build your collection through limited or simply buy a standard deck. Your budget will determine that.
So you think they would just leave it there as a failsafe? I would agree with that for a while, but if the number of sets redeemed falls below the threshold to print the sets I could easily see them nixing it. Many of us have suspected that has been their goal for a while.
I pulled up MTGgoldfish looking at the T8 decklists from the PT and thought it strange that the online prices were within 10-15% of paper. I know that most of these cards are chase and that the redeemable set value is still far below (stabilize at 20% +25 usually) paper prices but it seems to me that with pack prices stabilized by only giving out packs as prizes for some limited events the prices for chase constructed cards has risen to the point where demand controls the price not redemption.
If this trend continues wotc will nix redemption. Do you think redemption is still critical for MTGO to function or is there more wotc can do tinkering with pack to chest to point payouts to further reduce redemption demand?
If that's the case won't it increase post release demand for boxes since boxes will again be the only way to get paper sets?
Interesting. Do you still try to power out an early Angler, or do you play more like ub control?
Was chainers that useful? You have a lot of cards that use the yard did you find yourself delaying delves?
Why Angler in this shell rather than a more traditional ub package?
Mobile site is unmanageable garbage. After fighting for 10 min I managed to add 2 Beta Dark Ritual but couldn't figure out how to add Wastes. Seriously. These Jokers want money??
You are correct. Wizards has updated it's shipping methods and I have reflected their new wording in the FAQ.
I think that's a very good sign. Promoted trades are so much better than bounties and I think people want Puca to work. People are willing to take the risk if the payout is high enough.
I watched The Deck Tech this morning and I'm wondering why Mulch? I dislike forcing all the lands to your hand.
Confidence will come back like a wave. Do you think people are exploiting the large disparity between 100 points and a dollar? Ie, I can send off stuff for 60% promotion and then get it back in a few months for 10%?
Also does this seem like the perfect way to "trade down" If you can send a Goyf that cost you $85 for 13000 points you could get back a ton of 100-200 point cards with a wide buy list.
With that said, it may be a long time before we see high dollar cards being sent without promotion. The system didn't really give incentives to trade down before unless you thought a reprint was coming. Now that they are there they might stick.
It's about time. Only guy I like less that has had his hand in the pot is Tom Lapille
A store that is trying to move a lot of volume or has the market to move a lot of volume will pay more. That's why everybody raged against Star city a few years back because they were buy listing Legacy Staples above sell/ebay rates. They needed those cards to take the tournament so they were paying a premium and charging and premium because they had the market.
If you need to give a 20% bonus on a standard card I'm thinking that the site it's still too inflated for my taste. I know I could get bonuses trading stuff away and maybe I should try that first, but I can't see buying back in until the inflation is fixed
games.I which Wizards would update that UI a little bit and bring it into the client even if you were still stuck on those intro decks. It is what it is.
If you are relatively new to the game and have only played standard I don't really recommend playing pauper unless you want to learn an eternal format. Once you learn the interface you can decide whether you want to build your collection through limited or simply buy a standard deck. Your budget will determine that.