We've done all of that basically, albeit Idyllic tutor is 3-mana so it's your opponent's fault for not being able to have an answer for whatever you get.
I don't think we should ban all tutors, I see no problem with combos, what we dislike is combo'ing on turn 2, 3, 4, etc. Combo is a fair archetype.
This list is also directed at Multiplayer games, Kokusho is there because of his sheer value during the late stages, but I agree that it's position should be questioned, again, this banlist is meant to be openly discussed.
"enforces" isn't a fair word to describe what we want, we want to play the game have fun, whilst allowing competitive decks to flourish for the players that like that side of things. No one's being forced to do follow this banlist, it's a proposal, I'm not going to confiscate your deck.
Both Sol Ring, Serra Ascendant and Mana Crypt are first turn plays that get on the table and are subject to RNG turn order, if you drop a SR/MC/SA on one, other players might not even have a land on the to counter/remove it, putting you ahead over other players straight away, not even to mention to unpleasant situation when more than one player has one or more of the cards early on and the one-two players that don't just get pushed out of the game straight away. And your case about mana crypt is true, but unlikely, how often does mana crypt early on do more harm than good? Even in situations were the player got lost hit by their own MC, it still did more help in the game than lost and the player would've lost regardless of having it or not.
And regarding your last two points, yes, players tend to not play with some of the broken cards in question (if that's what you meant with the "="s, forgive me if I got it wrong), but why take the risk? More often than not that will just lead to fights or uncomfortable situations (usually if you're playing with strangers).
What you're not understanding or refusing to accept is that the ban list isn't designed for the way in which you want to play.
Our banlist isn't designed for competitive play either, "a banlist that's open for debate with the objective of keeping competitive decks relevant but removing degenerate combos from the meta", that is an error from my part, our banlist surely isn't designed for competitive play either, in fact, one could argue it is focused for casual players, what we want is to make sure people have as much fun as possible, and we're doing this by removing degenerate cards that ruin the fun in Multiplayer Games. In Magic Online people have resorted to writing "Casual only" or "No Infinite Combos" in their game names in order to escape said degenerate gameplay.
How is any of that relevant? I'm proposing a banlist which I propose to be better than what we have currently, do you disagree in any particular instance?
If you're offended by the name, then I shall let it be known that this is just a cheeky joke, not meant to be taken seriously.
I'm aware it isn't Wizards, but the game is theirs isn't it? If they really cared about EDH then they would have made sure the people administrating the Multiplayer Banlist (Which is official, I'd like to add) had taken proper care towards their list.
Secondly, what is "it's not for competitive play" supposed to mean? People resort to having games be named "Casual please" in Magic Online, and often times people get kicked out by playgroups for running turn 2 wins and similar, how is any of that "casual"?
Cheers mate.
As an addendum I'd like to add that competitive play is completely achievable within our banlist, we just made sure to remove cards that break the game (something that neither Duel nor Multiplayer has achieved)
Hi there, we're a group of friends fed up with the shady behavior and the lack of care Wizards official banlist for Multiplayer EDH has towards us.
We've spent some time coming up with a banlist that's open for debate with the objective of keeping competitive decks relevant but removing degenerate combos from the meta. Please, feel free to comment and suggest new additions/retractions, differently from Multiplayer/Duel we're open for free debate.
Addendum: All Ante, Conspiracy and Silver Borded cards are also banned from both use in decks as well as use as commanders
By Wii Banlist the following cards are banned from used as part of a deck:
Please let us know your opinion on the banlist, and if you think it is any good (or at least better than the alternatives) then please take in the effort of trying to adapt your decks.
I don't think we should ban all tutors, I see no problem with combos, what we dislike is combo'ing on turn 2, 3, 4, etc. Combo is a fair archetype.
And regarding your last two points, yes, players tend to not play with some of the broken cards in question (if that's what you meant with the "="s, forgive me if I got it wrong), but why take the risk? More often than not that will just lead to fights or uncomfortable situations (usually if you're playing with strangers).
Our banlist isn't designed for competitive play either, "a banlist that's open for debate with the objective of keeping competitive decks relevant but removing degenerate combos from the meta", that is an error from my part, our banlist surely isn't designed for competitive play either, in fact, one could argue it is focused for casual players, what we want is to make sure people have as much fun as possible, and we're doing this by removing degenerate cards that ruin the fun in Multiplayer Games. In Magic Online people have resorted to writing "Casual only" or "No Infinite Combos" in their game names in order to escape said degenerate gameplay.
If you're offended by the name, then I shall let it be known that this is just a cheeky joke, not meant to be taken seriously.
Secondly, what is "it's not for competitive play" supposed to mean? People resort to having games be named "Casual please" in Magic Online, and often times people get kicked out by playgroups for running turn 2 wins and similar, how is any of that "casual"?
Cheers mate.
As an addendum I'd like to add that competitive play is completely achievable within our banlist, we just made sure to remove cards that break the game (something that neither Duel nor Multiplayer has achieved)
We've spent some time coming up with a banlist that's open for debate with the objective of keeping competitive decks relevant but removing degenerate combos from the meta. Please, feel free to comment and suggest new additions/retractions, differently from Multiplayer/Duel we're open for free debate.
Addendum: All Ante, Conspiracy and Silver Borded cards are also banned from both use in decks as well as use as commanders
By Wii Banlist the following cards are banned from used as part of a deck:
Ancestral Recall
Chaos Orb
Black Lotus
Channel
Dig Through Time
Falling Star
Fastbond
Burgeoning
Balance
Gaea's Cradle
Sol Ring
Food Chain
Mana Crypt
Hermit Druid
Gifts Ungiven
Mana Vault
Mishra's Workshop
Karakas
Library of Alexandria
Mox Emerald
Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Mox Ruby
Mox Sapphire
Natural Order
Time Vault
Oath of Druids
Protean Hulk
Shahrazad
Tolarian Academy
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Bazaar of Baghdad
Recurring Nightmare
Doomsday
Serra Ascendant
Survival of the Fittest
Tinker
Sylvan Primordial
Yawgmoth's Bargain
Prophet of Kruphix
Contamination
Primeval Titan
Limited Resources
Painter's Servant
Sundering Titan
Upheaval
Imperial Seal
Treasure Cruise
Vampiric Tutor
Mystical Tutor
Loyal Retainers
Demonic Consultation
Birthing Pod
Sorin Markov
Transmute Artifact
Decree of Annihilation
Obliterate
Mind Over Matter
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Yawgmoth's Will
Scroll Rack
Coalition Victory
Tainted Pact
Strip Mine
Biorhythm
And the following cards are being banned from being used as your commander:
Braids, Cabal Minion
Breya, Etherium Shaper
Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Erayo, Soratami Ascendant
Griselbrand
Kokusho, the Evening Star
Leovold, Emissary of Trest
Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant
Tasigur, the Golden Fang
Titania, Protector of Argoth
Zur the Enchanter
Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
Sharuum the Hegemon
Please let us know your opinion on the banlist, and if you think it is any good (or at least better than the alternatives) then please take in the effort of trying to adapt your decks.