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    posted a message on [AKH] Who's more likely to be this set's native planeswalker?
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    Did anybody think of BOTH of them ascending using only one planeswalker card?

    This has never been done before: two planeswalkers sharing a card (legendary creatures sometimes do). It will be tricky due to the planeswalker uniqueness rule - what's their planeswalker type?

    Storylinewise you could explain this by both sharing a planeswalker spark, which is weird but not off-limits. They're clearly twin souls.

    Am I suggesting something too weird?


    While I'm not sure if this pair is going to be it I would love to have two planeswalkers on the same card.

    I would think they'd save a double planeswalker card for a planesalker couple since they like to keep couples together, like Anax and Cymede, Pia and Kiran, Tibor and Lumia, and Kynaios and Tiro.

    They could always throw a romantic angle into Djeru and Samut, though I think it'd be odd that it wasn't heavily foreshadowed by now.
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    posted a message on Commander 2017 announcement -- Only 4 decks, based on popular tribes, not color wheel!
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    The trouble is you'd need a lot of checklist cards in a true werewolf tribal deck, and given they want to keep decks uniform in size they would have to take the place of tokens. So, I'm fairly sure werewolves are out.


    That's why you put the slightly fancier than normal checklist card in the deck, and have the dfc be included in the tokens.


    How does that reduce the amount of cardboard in total though? Ultimately the token pile will contain like 30 or so cards (be it checklist or DFC). If they wanted to keep the deck sizes uniform, that means every other deck would also need to include 30 plus tokens.

    Not impossible (if they're generous and I suppose it doesn't cost that much to print another 20 or so pieces of cardboard), but still a scenario that's highly unlikely.


    My Commander 2015 deck came with plenty of tokens that could be potentially dfcs.


    I would also assume a Werewolf tribal would include the various Wolf tribal components from Innistrad (Plus new ones printed for the deck), which would also help cut back on the number of DFCs needed. I don't think we'd be getting a purely Werewolf deck, if we were to get a Werewolf deck.

    Ultimately I'm just going to be a pessimist and assume all we're getting is Dragon/Elf/Goblin/Zombie, even though all of those tribes are (IMO) tired, boring and have been done to death (and back, in the latter's case).

    If I'm right, I won't be as disappointed. If I'm wrong, I'm pleasantly surprised.
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    posted a message on [AKH] Who's more likely to be this set's native planeswalker?
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    I'm really specifically meaning Government as a in body that administrates a plane or territory on a plane. Basically every recent storyline involving the Governing body of a plane/territory of that plane against a rebel faction has cast the rebels as the good guys. Kaladesh, Fiora*, Amonkhet, SoI.
    Is this a recent trend? Was any previous story other than the one from Prophecy different from this trend?


    No idea honestly. I only included the recent storyline because I started playing during original Mirrodin. I'm only vaguely familiar with the plot from prior to then.

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    Well, if your goal is specifically good guy government and bad guy rebels I don't think that will happen. Good guy government bad guy invading force is the norm really. Plus you just said that you wanted good guy government.


    I said that specifically in reference to a Gov't vs Rebels plotline, though, not just story in general:

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    On a semi-unrelated note; Wizards, can we get a plane with a Government Vs Rebels plotline where the Gov't is the GOOD Guys for once please? I get it, plucky underdogs, freedom fighters, yadda yadda yadda, but seriously enough.



    I will amend that statement a bit though, I don't necessarily WANT a Good Gov't vs Bad Rebels storyline. Just, if they absolutely HAVE to make another Gov't vs Rebels storyline at some point, can they just switch the roles up please. That's all.


    EDIT: AAaaaaand this has gotten really off topic. Sorry.
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    posted a message on [AKH] Who's more likely to be this set's native planeswalker?
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    I honestly feel like Samut being against Bolas makes her LESS likely to be the native planeswalker, just because I feel like we already have more than enough "good guys" in the set. (And definitely more than enough "good guy" planeswalkers in general for awhile, lets get some more villains.)

    Yes we'll be getting a Bolas, and Bolas is the ultimate bad guy, but I feel like having Djeru as the 5th walker, and him being faithful/loyal/manipulated by Bolas would be more balanced and more interesting.


    On a semi-unrelated note; Wizards, can we get a plane with a Government Vs Rebels plotline where the Gov't is the GOOD Guys for once please? I get it, plucky underdogs, freedom fighters, yadda yadda yadda, but seriously enough.


    First I don't think giving Bolas a planeswalker servant would be more balancing (even tough I agree it would be more interesting) since Bolas could probably face around 10 planeswalkers along.
    To your second point: I'd love if we'd get a story without any clear good or bad guys like it could have been in the purifying fire novel without biased writing.

    I wasn't meaning balance as in balance of power, Bolas obviously outclasses the gatewatch (until they inevitably pull some kind of Deus ex machina out of their backsides). I was referring to balance in numbers (occurrence of actual villainous planeswalker cards).

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    I honestly feel like Samut being against Bolas makes her LESS likely to be the native planeswalker, just because I feel like we already have more than enough "good guys" in the set. (And definitely more than enough "good guy" planeswalkers in general for awhile, lets get some more villains.)

    Yes we'll be getting a Bolas, and Bolas is the ultimate bad guy, but I feel like having Djeru as the 5th walker, and him being faithful/loyal/manipulated by Bolas would be more balanced and more interesting.


    On a semi-unrelated note; Wizards, can we get a plane with a Government Vs Rebels plotline where the Gov't is the GOOD Guys for once please? I get it, plucky underdogs, freedom fighters, yadda yadda yadda, but seriously enough.


    I mean, depending on how you look at it, we had that with the original Innistrad. The government of humans at least was the good guys, you know, Church of Avacyn and such. SoM was arguably about that too, the Mirran government fighting the invading Phyrexians and such. I could probably spin a few others as examples, but they do exist. But generally? Whoever the "good guys" are in a story have to be weaker than the bad guys, which means either status quo vs rebels or super strong invaders vs status quo. I'll grant there are exceptions for sure, but it's generally going to fall along those kind of lines. Innistrad kind of was the exception of sorts I guess.


    Innistrad wasn't a Government vs Rebels plotline though (Until you got to SoI, where it is indeed the rebels/heretics that are the good guys against a corrupt/mad church).

    SoM was closer, but again wasn't Government vs Rebels, Mirrodin honestly didn't have an overarching government unless you go way back and count Memnarch which you again end up with something closer to Bad Governement vs Good Rebels(Glissa/Slobad), rather SoM was a conflict of planar citizens vs extra-planar invaders.

    I'm really specifically meaning Government as a in body that administrates a plane or territory on a plane. Basically every recent storyline involving the Governing body of a plane/territory of that plane against a rebel faction has cast the rebels as the good guys. Kaladesh, Fiora*, Amonkhet, SoI.

    I'll except the Gateless from RtR from this list, cause honestly I don't know much about them, their agenda or their practices.

    *I'll make a special note with regards to Fiora in that I don't think we can say for certain that the rebels are really the "good guys" but we CAN say for certain that the government is corrupt.
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    posted a message on [AKH] Who's more likely to be this set's native planeswalker?
    I honestly feel like Samut being against Bolas makes her LESS likely to be the native planeswalker, just because I feel like we already have more than enough "good guys" in the set. (And definitely more than enough "good guy" planeswalkers in general for awhile, lets get some more villains.)

    Yes we'll be getting a Bolas, and Bolas is the ultimate bad guy, but I feel like having Djeru as the 5th walker, and him being faithful/loyal/manipulated by Bolas would be more balanced and more interesting.


    On a semi-unrelated note; Wizards, can we get a plane with a Government Vs Rebels plotline where the Gov't is the GOOD Guys for once please? I get it, plucky underdogs, freedom fighters, yadda yadda yadda, but seriously enough.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
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    I see nothing that indicates the one in Glint is female. Similarly, for as strongly as they pointed it out in the description, it also has nothing to make it look remotely female.

    I think the beard pretty well cinches it as being a Male, despite the art description.



    EDIT: Glint does appear to be a female, though:
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    posted a message on Moxen or Moxes?
    With regard to its usage in Magic, though, I've always heard/seen it pluralized as Moxen.
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    posted a message on Commander 2017 announcement -- Only 4 decks, based on popular tribes, not color wheel!
    I'm actually hoping that they specifically DON'T do the primary races (Dragons/Angels/Elves/Goblins/Zombies/Etc). I really feel like those get/have gotten plenty of support in standard sets already, and think they'd be missing a golden opportunity to shore up other tribes that might be right there on the cusp of being good/playable.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
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    It also seems like the multiverse has a higher tolerance on weirdness. Ajani was on Kaladesh but no was terribly upset. I think if you live in world of magic and half-human humanoids already your more willing to except things.


    Sometimes I forget that in spite of all the strife and conflict, WOTC loves to be all-inclusive...


    I don't think that's really related to being inclusive so much as avoiding conflict that wouldn't be terribly interesting.

    Not to mention that it'd be a conflict that played itself out over and over again, just about every other block.

    An Elf on Innistrad? A Leonin on Kaladesh? An Elf on Amonkhet? And so on, and so forth.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
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    I think the piece we're missing to understand Bolas's plan for Amonkhet has to do with the next block: Atlazan. We know Vraska will be in the set, and the last we heard of her was Ral Zarek telling Jace that she planeswalked away from Ravnica, but with "no destination" that Ral could detect. Given that Atlazan seems to be inspired by Atlantis, it seems likely the plane is "lost" in some way making it normally inaccessible to planeswalkers. Bolas may be trying to breach it in order to access some power source hidden there.


    Where was it confirmed that the next block was Atlazan or that Vraska would be in it? If anything everything seems to be hinting at the next set (Hour of Devastation)


    It isn't confirmed anywhere.

    It's speculated to be either the next block, or the block after (with a return to Ravnica between) due to some guy's supposed insider information (he said there would be an Egypt world, then RTRTRavnica, then Atlantis world, IIRC) and a marketing research image which included booster images matching those we eventually got in Amonkhet and including several from the "Atlazan" block (one of which featuring art which is likely to be/pretty obviously Vraska).

    Grain of salt and all that, but thus far it is looking like it's all lining up (if a bit mistimed, as Kaladesh I think was actually the next block after that guy made his prediction/claim, not Amonkhet).
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
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    No, I just never posted yet :p.

    And the number 3 seemed just too obvious for me to not mention the Eldrazi.



    This week's story indicates that Bolas conquered Amonkhet mere decades ago (it separately states that three generations have passed, a generation is widely considered to be about 25years, thus 7-8 decades in total). The eldrazi have existed for at minumum 6,000 years. So no, there's no way that the two are related.
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    posted a message on Lore Wise...Who are the strongest Planeswalkers?
    She wasn't capable of controlling the Eldrazi. At most she held Emrakul at bay (via attack, not control) for a few minutes and nearly died by doing it.
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    posted a message on Official MTG Facebook (APAC) Preview - Bontu the Glorified
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    "unless a creature died under your control this turn."
    Does this seem like a strange wording to anyone else? As opposed to, "unless a creature you controlled died this turn."


    I think it's to remove the ambiguity of novice players thinking that a creature they controlled at any point of the game counted. Like, if an opponent stole one of your creatures then sacrificed it, that wouldn't count even though you had at one point been in control of it. It's reinforcing that the creature has to have been under your control at the time that it died.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    Two things - on the culture and "weird" debate, I find it interesting that Egyptian mythology is considered to be a one of the 'Big 3' in the West (just the USA?) alongside Greco-Roman and Norse mythology. I would argue that it's really Ancient Egyptian culture (or at least a Hollywood version thereof) that people are familiar with. How much of Egyptian mythology do most people really know? Sure - Ra, Osiris, Set, Thoth, Bast, Anubis (especially) and animal-headed gods in general turns, maybe the Book of the Dead... but after that, how much is really familiar? How many mythological entities from Egyptian mythology other than the Gods themselves and the Sphinx is the average person - even the average Fantasy buff or role-player - really aware of? (Am I selling everyone short here? That's not my intention.)

    On the story side - Throne of the God-Pharaoh names four Hours - the Hour of Revelation, Hour of Glory, Hour of Promise, and Hour of Eternity. I'm assuming Hour of Devastation is the final, fifth Hour - perhaps unknown to the average citizen of Amonkhet? Any thoughts about this? Does each Hour correspond to a God?


    I don't think that each hour corresponds with a God necessarily, but I do think that Devastation is a fifth Hour unknown to the civilization at large.

    The plane seems to run off of cycles of five*; Five Gods, Five Trials, Five Cartouches... it only makes sense for there to actually be five Hours.

    *Yes I realize this is to fit with the five colors, but if you're running a numerical theme you may as well stick with it, there's no reason to ditch it for one aspect of the story/plot.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    I've got to say that I honestly don't think Bolas' plans for this block will have anything to do with the Planar Bridge. Bolas is a long term thinker/planner, but the invention of the Planar Bridge was really just a happy accident. There's no way that he'd have set any sort of plans into motion that REQUIRE the existence of a device that no one's even invented yet, and may not be created by time he needs/wants it.

    I really feel that the Planar Bridge is a seed for a future plot line, not a part of the current one.
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