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    posted a message on UW Control
    I just read through Bloodyrabbits strategy for the TitanShift matchup. Ill have to test out 4x Tec Edge - as I think this is the core of how to beat TitanShift - Im just a bit concerned about how much I will miss some number of ghost quarters...

    Currently im on 2x Stroke and 2x Runed Halo postboard - and if the stars align its a reasonable matchup - but sadly I have not experienced the 71% win rate as of yet - time to get out those tec edges..Further to this Im going to try out 2x Clique - looking back Ive found the games where you get Clique down is where you win rate starts heading north..


    Tectonic Edge, Cryptic Command and Vendilion Clique are pretty much your better tools in the MU. I play *at least* 2 Cliques in the board, because they are THAT good. Way better than Geist or Queller against most of our bad match-ups. Actually, they really have a huge impact coming from the board, and I highly suggest playing three copies. You won't even need Halos (good magic card, but IMHO worse than other options).



    Slowgod's Deck


    This is pretty much where AV versions of this deck are at the moment, so nothing new. The problem, here, is the usual: when AV is good, it's awesome. WHen not, you're playing a Standard deck in Modern. Not saying it's not worth it, but it's very debatable.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on UW Control
    That's weird because my win % rate vs other 3 color control decks is about 60% due to the 4 tec edges, Crucible in the side, and our more friendly mana base.


    I also play 4 T.Edges + 4 S.Seas (without Crucible, though) and I have some serious issue against them. Who cares about color-denial, when the game goes 'till turn 30-35? When your opponent draws more than you, make more land-drops than you and have - as consequence - more counterspells than you, it's clear who is the favourite.

    Anyway, the worst kind of control to face are things like Blue Moon: they play Ancestral Vision (best single card against us), Remand (that's another nightmare), Blood Moon, lots of cheap counters, Vendilion in multiples. Same about Esper: they are three-color, but also have Esper Charm to eliminate S.Seas and a way better draw engine than our. Jeskai is dangerous because Snap-Bolt is good against us, but if it is the Queller or Nahiri version we're better positioned than against the AV one.

    Overrall, I'd say:

    Bad: Blue Moon, Jeskai Draw-Go, UW with AV.
    Medium: UB Faeries, Jeskai Queller, Jeskai Nahiri, Esper Draw-Go.
    Good: Mardu Souls.

    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on UW Control
    What's the deal with so many here running 3-4 cryptics and 18 blue sources? This is like asking to get stuck with cryptics in hand, and one of the main reasons decks like esper control don't run any land destruction land; they need to keep their blue sources high for cryptics.


    18 blue sources is the bare minimum. Many lists play 19. Anyway, having a lot of cheap cantrips (4 Serum, 4 Seas + often some Wall/TTwice) means you're seeing more cards than most decks in the mid-early, and you can always SSeas one of your lands to reach the third blue needed for Cryptic. I never had issues with it, and I play the full set.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on UW Control
    I'm doing okay with my Draw-Go list (feat. Sphinx). The issue is the usual: Modern is a wide format, and playing a reactive deck you can't have game against every single strategy. I costantly crush Burn, Affinity, Valakut, Tron/EldraTron, Tokens, Grixis Shadow, GBx and the likes of them, but I lose pratically every single game against other Control (because Esper has Charm + Souls, Jeskai is a counterburn deck, Grixis has Ancestral Vision, UW with Vision also crush me everyday) and some combo MUs are extremely dependent on your sb asset. I'm still good with it, because I usually go 4-1/5-0 in swiss at locals, given that there aren't too many of those decks around. If I had to attend a GP, though, I don't know how good of a choice is playing reactive Control. Faeries could be better, even if it's a worse deck overrall (IMHO) because of the proactive plan it have.

    Spreading Seas is still extra good. I see no point in running straight UW instead of adding a third colour, if we don't go full-on the mana denial plan. I run 4 Serum Visions + 4 Spreading Seas + 2 Jace AOT + 2 Sphinx, anyway.


    Based on joarthus's stream(I have seen him playing over 20-30 times vs Storm) it's close to 70/30 against us. He also said several times, based on his 100-ish matches vs the deck, it's close to 70-30 and quite honestly, I saw this several times in action.


    Well yeah, he also lose pretty much *always* against Valakut due to poor lines of play, to be honest. I don't consider it an indicative test, but I respect your opinion.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on UW Control
    I am not so familiar with the deck already, but I am pretty sure that UR Storm is a great matchup for us


    I'll suggest you to test the match-up more, possibly against competent pilots. Storm is a very difficult deck to face when you don't have a clock, you only have four targeted removals and you play a bunch of Snaps/Cryptics against their Remands/Dispels. We don't play a lot of disruption, and they can easily bypass a pair of counters. So, it really depends on how many grave-hate spell you play in the sideboard, and if you're able to survive a turn two Blood Moon (which, yes, it IS an issue most of the time). ETW isn't a problem, and I said so.

    According to my testing, Ur Storm is by far the worst match-up of UW, along with Ancestral Vision decks.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on UW Control
    retty sure: Dredge is the worst matchup. Then Ad Nauseam, then Titanshift. Those are the 3 bad, from what I have seen. Hm, some Company variations are difficult also, and Merfolks are also kind of difficult.


    Dredge requires some serious attention in the sideboard. If I want to beat that deck (and, right now, I do) I'm always going to play 4 Rest in Peace in the sideboard. Period. They can't beat RIP + Verdict + Jace, and you've got a lot of draw spells/cantrips to find them really quick. But you need the full set of them, otherwise you'll pratically lose every single game against Dredge.

    Ad Nauseam is probably the less problematic between the bad match-up, and it depends by your sideboard: if you play several Vendilion/Geist/Quellers to complement the maindeck Gideon, plus some Dispels and Negate, you'll probably able to win game 2&3 playing correctly. You're a dog in game one, though, and we all know that winning two games in a streak isn't always that simple.

    Titanshift, I don't really know how people consider it a bad match-up. I've got 71% of winning against it with both Draw-Go and Tap-Out. I also play at least a third Cryptic which is extra-useful, but I think you should play it nonetheless. It's by no means a bad match-up, if you don't take the wrong lines (which most UW players do, as I costantly seem them struggling with the match-up because of this). I already explaining the correct way to face this archetype one/two pages ago, check it if interested.

    Between the bad match-ups, you didn't mention UR Storm. It's probably the worse between them all. ETW tokens aren't an issue, but we have only four Paths against their enablers, and enabler + Remand means a very difficult time for us. Grapeshot's also a problem, so it is Blood Moon in the side, because (it seems pointless: it isn't) Moon pratically kills Colonnade (our primary wincon) and, more important, it doesn't let us hold Cryptic Command + other counter(s) in hand, which is real trouble.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on UW Control
    Hey gkourou. I'll answer for you:

    a) Spell Snare is a very situational card, which is very good when it's good, completely useless when it's bad. Your maindeck needs to cover most match-ups in the format, and Snare is marginal/situational/utterly_terrible against Tron, Eldrazi Tron, Bant Eldrazi, Living End and many other decks. Even against strategies who relies on cc2, like CoCo, it can be a total loss if you can counter a single threat but then you don't have a generic answer (Leak/Negate/Knot/Will/Disallow/whatever) to answer a Company or a Chord for combo piece. That's why more generic answer are preferred in spite of Spell Snare.

    b) I'm not a Wall of Omens fan, but I play Condemn in spite of it. I'm pretty sure you need a certain amount of early game answers, and four Path aren't enough in the slightest. I prefer Condemn because it's more useful against evasive threats (Delver, Vendilion, Queller, RestoAngel) and because there are too many fatties right now in the metagame (Shadow, Delve threats, Tarmogoyf, manlands, Reliquary, Grim Flayer). Wall of Omens it's good, on the other side, because it's a way to keep at bay (sorry for the pun) opposing Snapcasters, which are sometimes very annoying.

    b-bis) Vendilion Clique is better in the side for this kind of deck. We aren't Jeskai, where a single swing from a Clique means one less Bolt to the opponent's face. Postboard, with less removals, it can eat a Path directed to a Colonnade or just win the game alone.

    c) Against Jund Shadow you just have to draw decently, 'cause the match-up is very good. Against Jund Midrange, you're still favoured, but the game can turn very quickly if you can't prevent opponent's Dark Confidant from landing. That's why Celestial Purge should be in your sideboard, and Supreme Verdict is a card which you don't have to cut postboard (it doesn't get discarded by Kozilek, and it's also good to prevent pesky things like Pia and Kiran Nalaar and/or Huntmaster of the Fells).
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on UW Control
    Question: how many fetches are you Knot players on? I'm at 6 but it feels high in aggressive matchups.


    When I play Logic Knot in spite of Mana Leak (three copies of each) I run eight fetches instead of four. Then, I also play two Blessed Alliance to compensate the additional lifeloss.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on UW Control
    Oh, I didn't know Keenan was streaming. I always loved his decklists.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Control
    UW Control has trouble against decks that packs Burn + CA. If you ran an AV package in the sideboard (like three of them) you should be favourite in the match-up.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Modern Esper Draw-Go
    He's simply wrong. Cryptics are great against Jund Shadow, non quite good against Grixis.

    That said, UW also has less ways to make CA, so playing Esper make it easier to shave on Cryptics.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
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    posted a message on UW Control
    To be honest, Joarthus is the only one that I follow with pleasure. The others often take lines which I don't like in the slightest.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on UW Control
    Re-read my post. I wasn't talking about Supreme Will.

    Supreme Will, on the other hand, is decent against big-mana decks, utterly terrible against Storm, Ad Nauseam and so on. I'll repeat: it's fine considering it in the maindeck, but you can't replace 2cc counterspells with it. They have totally different purposes.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on UW Control
    Supreme Will can be considered in the flex slots, but not in place of 2cc counters.

    Censor is just unplayable garbage, in this deck. I'm saying so after a lot of testing with the card, and it is utterly terrible in any stage of the game which isn't turn two. "It cycles" isn't a reasoning to play it.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on UW Control
    Nassif has several lines that I don't like one bit. And I'm not referring just to the Scapeshift MU. Also, his sb choices are pretty much terrible, if you ask me. He is a pro, so don't take my words as the truth. But, IMHO, he isn't an excellent player of this deck, having seen several videos of him piloting UW Control.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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