i mean you guys just keep proving my point. MTG fans just love corporate hasbro for some reason..
keep raising prices? we love you hasbro!
card quality keeps dropping while prices go up? we love you hasbro!
gameplay itself is completely broken with record number of bannings in the games history? we love you hasbro!
yes it just so happens that practically everything banned in brawl has also been banned in standard or historic, so the wildcards are just given by default.
and again, with the ALWAYS taking the side of the corporation..
WOTC and hasbro have proved so many times that they dont give a rats ass about the consumer, that theyre just trying to milk us dry at every single opportunity, yet the fans just come to their defense at the drop of a hat. its really utterly embarrassing
yeah i dunno man... seems like a flagrant breach of their promise to consumers.
their policy is supposed to be a gesture of "if we screw up and print something too powerful, thats on us, and you can have your wildcards back"
the fact is that theres a format on the app for the next two months, i enjoyed playing that deck, so i crafted 4x books, now its banned, and i cant play it in that format (and its DEFINITELY unplayable in actual standard thanks to everything from eldraine to ikoria)
once innistrad releases theres no guarentee the combo will be viable anymore if they push power levels again.
i think its really disgusting behaviour on the part of WOTC. but as usual, the majority of consumers dont seem to have any real issue with it
do you think WOTC put any thought at all into the health of the formats they are dumping these oppressively overpowered cards into?
i mean i started playing arena when ravnica 3 was out, once we got into war of the spark it was a pretty insane power level, but i enjoyed playing with many of those cards.
now i cannot use them anymore, despite the historic format being created for that purpose. because they put so many stupid cards into it, it now resembles moderns absolutely toxic play style.
i mean that stone rain reprint into historic was just the last straw. playing MTG arena is really the antithesis of fun
Okay yes, JF clearly made a mistake here and should be held accountable for it 100%. But to categorically start calling him "a bad digital artist all along" is both very reductionist and frankly ignorant. Pieces like Mind Unbound, Herald's Horn, Twisted Reflection and Conjurer's Closet are clear examples that he's not just an amateur artist with a Photoshop crutch. The dude just cut some serious ethical corners on this one and got busted for it.
ok this is getting really annoying...
i am 100% serious in telling you, in attempting to inform you, that every piece of art you listed there, is infact amaturish. it may look 'photo realistic'.. thats great.. but guess what? every single artwork you showed is flat out BORING. its unforgettable. do you get that?
no one will ever go "wow you remember that sweet art for HERALDS HORN?".. no. it will not happen.
and its by that metric that this art sucks. capisce? do you understand that? do you get that its not a competition in photo realism?
do you get that if something is boring and uninspired, it doesnt matter how photo realistic it is?
yeah i agree its the artists fault, i just dont think people should ignore the fact wizards are more and more haphazardly pushing out their products, and not vetting artists is a symptom of that. so is the record number of bannings in the last 4 years.
and in a way, ultimately it IS WOTCs product. if theres plagiarism in it due to their contracting standards, that is on them.
i mean they barely playtest cards anymore, they print half a douzen different versions of any given card now, they change plane every set just so people dont get bored. they throw together makeshift sets like ikoria just from art they have lying around. and unsurprisingly the game is in an almost unplayable state in products like arena.
'its all subjective' is a go-nowhere statement tho. of course it is, everything is. but if you prefer the poorly rendered, washed out modern digital art with its total disregard for color balancing or restraint in detail, over the incredible art that used to be created for this game, then you factually speaking dont have much knoweledge in this area
K, like thats just your opinion man.
While its his fault, vetting and pushing out product have nothing to do with anything here.
At 139 cards deep why would you continue to vet him? You dont like modern card art, or his style, or that card, whatever we get it.
There are plenty of well done, iconic, cards in his repertoire.
He was lazy and got caught, appropriate actions were taken. There isnt some great plot here.
There is no way, or enough time, to research every piece submit versus the entire internet.
well yeah i guess i cant dispute whether theyre 'iconic'. but 'iconic' doesnt mean 'good' by any means. and yeah i know its my opinion, thats all any of us on here are expressing anyway.
but i do think there is a greater plot here. and its a shame MTG fans arent more united in how they feel about WOTC. sure, wotc get called out often enough by many MTG commentators like the professor, but fans really should be outright boycotting this company by now and demanding change.
people would be better off just designing and printing their own cards at this stage and having their playgroup help adjust and balance them. WOTC takes no care in the health of this game anymore and we should all be able to see that
Over this issue?
No.
Over other issues?
Yes.
Youre really making this into something it isnt. Theres a reason theres no major push for that over this.
yes... sigh...
thats exactly my point. MTG players do not care enough about any of these issues, yourself included. your just happy to overlook every screw up the company keeps doing while the larger systemic issue that the company and its products just goddamn suck now.
my point is exactly that if people just pushed back and held them accountable more, they would have to change. instead you just keep on buying their crap. oh well
yeah i agree its the artists fault, i just dont think people should ignore the fact wizards are more and more haphazardly pushing out their products, and not vetting artists is a symptom of that. so is the record number of bannings in the last 4 years.
and in a way, ultimately it IS WOTCs product. if theres plagiarism in it due to their contracting standards, that is on them.
i mean they barely playtest cards anymore, they print half a douzen different versions of any given card now, they change plane every set just so people dont get bored. they throw together makeshift sets like ikoria just from art they have lying around. and unsurprisingly the game is in an almost unplayable state in products like arena.
'its all subjective' is a go-nowhere statement tho. of course it is, everything is. but if you prefer the poorly rendered, washed out modern digital art with its total disregard for color balancing or restraint in detail, over the incredible art that used to be created for this game, then you factually speaking dont have much knoweledge in this area
K, like thats just your opinion man.
While its his fault, vetting and pushing out product have nothing to do with anything here.
At 139 cards deep why would you continue to vet him? You dont like modern card art, or his style, or that card, whatever we get it.
There are plenty of well done, iconic, cards in his repertoire.
He was lazy and got caught, appropriate actions were taken. There isnt some great plot here.
There is no way, or enough time, to research every piece submit versus the entire internet.
well yeah i guess i cant dispute whether theyre 'iconic'. but 'iconic' doesnt mean 'good' by any means. and yeah i know its my opinion, thats all any of us on here are expressing anyway.
but i do think there is a greater plot here. and its a shame MTG fans arent more united in how they feel about WOTC. sure, wotc get called out often enough by many MTG commentators like the professor, but fans really should be outright boycotting this company by now and demanding change.
people would be better off just designing and printing their own cards at this stage and having their playgroup help adjust and balance them. WOTC takes no care in the health of this game anymore and we should all be able to see that
yeah i agree its the artists fault, i just dont think people should ignore the fact wizards are more and more haphazardly pushing out their products, and not vetting artists is a symptom of that. so is the record number of bannings in the last 4 years.
and in a way, ultimately it IS WOTCs product. if theres plagiarism in it due to their contracting standards, that is on them.
i mean they barely playtest cards anymore, they print half a douzen different versions of any given card now, they change plane every set just so people dont get bored. they throw together makeshift sets like ikoria just from art they have lying around. and unsurprisingly the game is in an almost unplayable state in products like arena.
'its all subjective' is a go-nowhere statement tho. of course it is, everything is. but if you prefer the poorly rendered, washed out modern digital art with its total disregard for color balancing or restraint in detail, over the incredible art that used to be created for this game, then you factually speaking dont have much knoweledge in this area
It's wizards fault as well as the artists. Wizards could vet their artists and choose to only hire actual credible fantasy artists (you know, like they used to...) But instead they just let some girl in marketing hire her fav Instagram tattoo amateur artist (omg yay!) Such as with faithless looting.
Or in this case, an actual plagiarist.
Wizards has been declining the quality of their art for decades. MTG audience just isn't discerning enough to notice
Jason Felix isn't a new artist for Wizards. He's done over 120 other illustrations (that we've seen so far) that stretch back years. All is Dust is a classic, iconic card by the artist. There's literally 0 reason for Wizards to suspect that this guy was going to suddenly start plagiarizing after a business relationship of over a decade.
You've proved my point perfectly. The art for all is dust is very poor. It's only a matter of time before substandard digital illustrators start cutting corners.
And youve proved my last point too about the MTG audience; you actually think this artwork is iconic
It's wizards fault as well as the artists. Wizards could vet their artists and choose to only hire actual credible fantasy artists (you know, like they used to...) But instead they just let some girl in marketing hire her fav Instagram tattoo amateur artist (omg yay!) Such as with faithless looting.
Or in this case, an actual plagiarist.
Wizards has been declining the quality of their art for decades. MTG audience just isn't discerning enough to notice
oh yeah, i agree uro is the card that will get the ban next, and possibly gen ultimatem too, but my point is they're not actually the problem cards. WOTC simply cant ban the problem cards because they literally just released them hahaha
but yeah they are an absolutely disgraceful company. its no surpise arena has lost 50% of its player base in the last format. if you were new to this game i just really dont know why you would keep playing, especially arena.
the hilarious thing is its the new zendikar rising cards that actually need to be banned (but wont be)
uro is good, but new omnath/lotus cobra/scute mob are absolutely wrecking arena since release.
it should be incredibly apparent now that there is no oversight on their designs whatsoever. since ravnica allegience they have been boosting up the power level so they can sell packs to modern and legacy players, and have completely ruined the game in the process. they just print whatever and hope for the best.
i have loved this game since 1996 but i really see it all falling apart in the coming years
keep raising prices? we love you hasbro!
card quality keeps dropping while prices go up? we love you hasbro!
gameplay itself is completely broken with record number of bannings in the games history? we love you hasbro!
yay! hasbro! we love you hasbro!
and again, with the ALWAYS taking the side of the corporation..
WOTC and hasbro have proved so many times that they dont give a rats ass about the consumer, that theyre just trying to milk us dry at every single opportunity, yet the fans just come to their defense at the drop of a hat. its really utterly embarrassing
their policy is supposed to be a gesture of "if we screw up and print something too powerful, thats on us, and you can have your wildcards back"
the fact is that theres a format on the app for the next two months, i enjoyed playing that deck, so i crafted 4x books, now its banned, and i cant play it in that format (and its DEFINITELY unplayable in actual standard thanks to everything from eldraine to ikoria)
once innistrad releases theres no guarentee the combo will be viable anymore if they push power levels again.
i think its really disgusting behaviour on the part of WOTC. but as usual, the majority of consumers dont seem to have any real issue with it
that goes against their policy. they're supposed to refund wildcards to you when they screw up like this.
i mean i started playing arena when ravnica 3 was out, once we got into war of the spark it was a pretty insane power level, but i enjoyed playing with many of those cards.
now i cannot use them anymore, despite the historic format being created for that purpose. because they put so many stupid cards into it, it now resembles moderns absolutely toxic play style.
i mean that stone rain reprint into historic was just the last straw. playing MTG arena is really the antithesis of fun
ok this is getting really annoying...
i am 100% serious in telling you, in attempting to inform you, that every piece of art you listed there, is infact amaturish. it may look 'photo realistic'.. thats great.. but guess what? every single artwork you showed is flat out BORING. its unforgettable. do you get that?
no one will ever go "wow you remember that sweet art for HERALDS HORN?".. no. it will not happen.
and its by that metric that this art sucks. capisce? do you understand that? do you get that its not a competition in photo realism?
do you get that if something is boring and uninspired, it doesnt matter how photo realistic it is?
yes... sigh...
thats exactly my point. MTG players do not care enough about any of these issues, yourself included. your just happy to overlook every screw up the company keeps doing while the larger systemic issue that the company and its products just goddamn suck now.
my point is exactly that if people just pushed back and held them accountable more, they would have to change. instead you just keep on buying their crap. oh well
well yeah i guess i cant dispute whether theyre 'iconic'. but 'iconic' doesnt mean 'good' by any means. and yeah i know its my opinion, thats all any of us on here are expressing anyway.
but i do think there is a greater plot here. and its a shame MTG fans arent more united in how they feel about WOTC. sure, wotc get called out often enough by many MTG commentators like the professor, but fans really should be outright boycotting this company by now and demanding change.
people would be better off just designing and printing their own cards at this stage and having their playgroup help adjust and balance them. WOTC takes no care in the health of this game anymore and we should all be able to see that
and in a way, ultimately it IS WOTCs product. if theres plagiarism in it due to their contracting standards, that is on them.
i mean they barely playtest cards anymore, they print half a douzen different versions of any given card now, they change plane every set just so people dont get bored. they throw together makeshift sets like ikoria just from art they have lying around. and unsurprisingly the game is in an almost unplayable state in products like arena.
'its all subjective' is a go-nowhere statement tho. of course it is, everything is. but if you prefer the poorly rendered, washed out modern digital art with its total disregard for color balancing or restraint in detail, over the incredible art that used to be created for this game, then you factually speaking dont have much knoweledge in this area
You've proved my point perfectly. The art for all is dust is very poor. It's only a matter of time before substandard digital illustrators start cutting corners.
And youve proved my last point too about the MTG audience; you actually think this artwork is iconic
Or in this case, an actual plagiarist.
Wizards has been declining the quality of their art for decades. MTG audience just isn't discerning enough to notice
Not to mention rogues goes unchecked? Standard is an absolute garbage format yet they do nothing? Thanks wotc
but yeah they are an absolutely disgraceful company. its no surpise arena has lost 50% of its player base in the last format. if you were new to this game i just really dont know why you would keep playing, especially arena.
uro is good, but new omnath/lotus cobra/scute mob are absolutely wrecking arena since release.
it should be incredibly apparent now that there is no oversight on their designs whatsoever. since ravnica allegience they have been boosting up the power level so they can sell packs to modern and legacy players, and have completely ruined the game in the process. they just print whatever and hope for the best.
i have loved this game since 1996 but i really see it all falling apart in the coming years