Game points are similar to match points in that players earn 3 game points for each game they win and 1 point for each game that ends in a draw, and 0 points for any game lost. Unfinished games are considered draws. Unplayed games are worth 0 points
When you do the math, it is clear that reporting draw as 0-0-3 gives you 3 Game points, and as "3 games have been played" you have 3/3x3 = 3/9 = 0.33 which translates to 33% GWP
0-0-1 gives you 1 game point, and as "1 game has been played" you have 1/3x1 = 1/3 = 0.33 which also translates to 33% GWP
And round after round, game points are added and then divided by the number of games played (x3)... so having 1 game point with 1 game played is not different then having 3 game points with 3 games played...
So, what is the difference in reporting intentional draw as 0-0-1 instead of 0-0-3 ?
Reading through this topic, I see that there are three groups of people posting:
Group 1: People who are actually working in food delivery ( Best representative, original poster )
Group 2: People who sympathize with Group 1 ( Majority of people posting in the issue )
Group 3: People who think that just delivering food within maximum time allowed for delivery and not spitting in it earns a person who delivered the food a good tip. ( Best representative, Designer Genes )
As I am also in the group 3, I will try ( again ) to present my position. I really don't see where I am wrong, so please feel free to correct me.
In the construction industry, if contractor would tell his construction workers the following:
"Okay people, we need to build a building ... I have decided not to pay you for you work, but, when the building is finished and when someone buys it, at a market price, if you did a good job he will then probably leave you a tip which all of you can then share."
What do you think would construction worker agree to these terms of employment?
People work in the delivery industry have agreed to these terms of employment.
And instead of seeing that they are screwed by their employer and being angry at the employer, delivery workers are angry at the customers.
I am reading this topic and I must say I am surprised at what some people working delivery jobs do to their clients based on how they tip ( or don't tip ).
Spitting into food, pissing into food, even purposely letting the food get cold... these are not the things that should be a "regular service" to the people you deliver food to, even if they are rude, even if they order 1000$ worth of food and give you 0$ tip ...
Lets do a quick analysis of the tipping situation
1. First thing, nobody has any obligation to tip. Exceptions are if this is regulated by law ( like a mandatory 10% tip ) or if tip is included in the cost of the delivered food ( Pizza 20$, 2$ tip , total bill 22$ )
2. People should be tipped for service which is beyond and above expectations for food delivery ( this does no include doing your job and delivering the food that is still hot and within the maximum time allowed for delivery )
3. I know delivery people are not satisfied with their earnings but guess what, 95% of people not working delivery jobs is also not satisfied with the money they are earing. If you are not satisfied with your food delivery job, don't start spitting into food, start looking for a new (better paying) job.
People often use the argument "we should be tipped for delivering the food, if they don't want to tip they should come and pick up their order".
For those people, I would suggest a different view:
If the place where you are working didn't do deliveries maybe people wouldn't order there and the place would soon be out of business. It would close down, and you would be without a job, so you not only wouldn't get tips but you would also be out of your regular earnings.
And to make a small comparison with other jobs:
Do you expect your car to break regularly because your mechanic is not satisifed with the tip you are giving him so he never repairs your car the way he should?
Do you expect your roof to start leaking because person who was building the roof was not satisfied because he didn't get tipped for doing his job?
Do you expect to get radiation poisoning because inspector from office of Air and Radiation was not satisfied when he came to your city to measure radiation he wasn't taken to lunch first by city officials, so he did some measuring and wrote a quick report that radiation is within limits and went home thinking "although radiation is above the norm it won't kill them and those cheap bastards should get a little 'radiated' ... they even didn't offer me a snack and I traveled all the way to there town ... "
People, please get serious and start doing your job
Guess your right, looks like I got a wrong ruling on MOTL when I asked that question with Vedalken Shackles and Voltaic Key.
Depends when you asked, as that is the way it used to work before rule changes introduced:
"If the “for as long as” duration never starts, or it ends before the moment the effect would first be applied, the effect does nothing."
I am also unclear on the answer to the Frost Titan question.
There is a triggered ability with a default action ( counter that spell or ability unless 2 is paid )
Why would you have to remind your opponent to explicitly says that he will not pay the mana during trigger resolution?
If he plays doom blade, doesn't pay 2 and puts the doom blade into his graveyard, isn't it obvious what has happened ( during spell resolution 2 was not paid and the spell was countered )
When you discard Emrakul, as a cost for Shaman's ability, Emrakul's trigger ability will trigger ( and resolve ) while Shaman's ability is still on the stack.
So you first shuffle your graveyard into your library, and then you search ( you can even find the same Emrakul you discarded )
Nitpick:
Emrakul's ability will trigger while you are playing Shaman's ability ( paying costs ), but it will not be put on the stack until you finish playing shaman's ability.
This is an optional loop. The affected player will need to pick a number of times to apply the Wheel's effect, but will have to use Leyline's eventually to break the loop. End result will be that the affected player's library is exiled.
Edit - relevant comprules entry:
Quote:
714.3. Sometimes a loop can be fragmented, meaning that each player involved in the loop performs an independent action that results in the same game state being reached multiple times. If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue.
Wow
I never thought that you can be forced, by the infinite loop, to change the order of the replacement effects that are affecting ..something, just to break the loop
Although ... choosing the order of replacement effects is a choice ...
If two creatures enter the battlefield at the same time ( for example through Show and Tell ), and one of them is Clone, can he copy the creature that is entering the battlefield at the same time ( through Show and Tell ) ?
How, between turns 5 & 8 did you suddenly learn that the creature type had been changed?
I think the likely response is a bop on the nose for lying on turn 5 ;P.
It hadn't changed.
Opponent thinks my Argothian Enchantress has a creature type enchantress, I know that this has been errated to human druid, but i don't think that enchantress is illegal creature type for him to choose ( there might be some other creatures that have this creature type)
Presuming your opponent realized that 'Enchantress' was no longer a creature type, then he should call a judge. Technically you did not actually choose a legal creature type, which is actually a type of Game Play Error. (Though, in a lot of cases, your opponent might just say "That's not a creature type." and just ask that you choose a new one. In which case, a judge may be called to figure out what the actual creature types are.)
Just a quick question about this,
On turn 2 i play Argothian Enchantress" target="blank">Argothian Enchantress. My opponent studies the card ( looking at creature types, abilities.... ), he doesn't counter the card, and it resolves. On the following turn he kills it ( never mind how )
On turn 5 he plays plague and chooses enchantress. Neither me or him know that enchantress is no longer a valid creature type.
On turn 8 i play Argothian Enchantress" target="blank">Argothian Enchantress, my opponent doesent' counter, he lets it resolve and then he tells me "it dies as it gets -1/-1" and i tell him "it's creature type is human druid not enchantress "
I think the point about intercept is YES you DO move to the square where you are intercepting (otherwise walls are stuck once they're cast, basically just one radius on the board that they will ever affect) and NO you can't move a wall in the intercept phase unless it is actually intercepting something. But taht's just how i read it. Makes sense though.
Well actually, it doesn't make sense
If a creature is moving within 8 squares of the 0/8 wall , then 0/8 wall can move ( to intercept ), but if nobody is moving within 8 squares, the wall is unable to move? That absolutely makes no sense to me
What would make sense is that the wall can't move from the position that it is placed on the board, but can intercept any creature within 8 fields that is moving at least that would make sense to me
"Creature stalemates don't exist or at least to a lesser extent. A player can't just sit behind three Glacial Walls against three Trained Armodon. In Tactics, all three Trained Armodon can be brought together to take down a single Glacial Wall. "
If the wall has intercept radius of 7 and the elephant has movement of 3, how can all the elephants charge one wall without other walls intercepting them?
Also, when the creature ( in this case wall ) moves to intercept does it physically move to the square where it intercepts ?
For example if i have a wall 0/8 and it is on field X=4 Y=10, and i want to intercept creature on X=12 Y=10 do i move the wall there permanently and then, in the next turn, in the intercept phase, i can intercept a creature that is at X=20 Y=10 ?
If the creatures with high defense can move this far for intercept, can they move, during intercept phase, to a field where there is nothing to intercept?
Ah yes, you don't add GWP % for each round and then divide it by the number of rounds, you add the game points together and then divide ...
How did I miss that ...
tnx Twanbon
also, from the same source:
When you do the math, it is clear that reporting draw as 0-0-3 gives you 3 Game points, and as "3 games have been played" you have 3/3x3 = 3/9 = 0.33 which translates to 33% GWP
0-0-1 gives you 1 game point, and as "1 game has been played" you have 1/3x1 = 1/3 = 0.33 which also translates to 33% GWP
And round after round, game points are added and then divided by the number of games played (x3)... so having 1 game point with 1 game played is not different then having 3 game points with 3 games played...
So, what is the difference in reporting intentional draw as 0-0-1 instead of 0-0-3 ?
Group 1: People who are actually working in food delivery ( Best representative, original poster )
Group 2: People who sympathize with Group 1 ( Majority of people posting in the issue )
Group 3: People who think that just delivering food within maximum time allowed for delivery and not spitting in it earns a person who delivered the food a good tip. ( Best representative, Designer Genes )
As I am also in the group 3, I will try ( again ) to present my position. I really don't see where I am wrong, so please feel free to correct me.
In the construction industry, if contractor would tell his construction workers the following:
"Okay people, we need to build a building ... I have decided not to pay you for you work, but, when the building is finished and when someone buys it, at a market price, if you did a good job he will then probably leave you a tip which all of you can then share."
What do you think would construction worker agree to these terms of employment?
People work in the delivery industry have agreed to these terms of employment.
And instead of seeing that they are screwed by their employer and being angry at the employer, delivery workers are angry at the customers.
I don't see any logic in that
Spitting into food, pissing into food, even purposely letting the food get cold... these are not the things that should be a "regular service" to the people you deliver food to, even if they are rude, even if they order 1000$ worth of food and give you 0$ tip ...
Lets do a quick analysis of the tipping situation
1. First thing, nobody has any obligation to tip. Exceptions are if this is regulated by law ( like a mandatory 10% tip ) or if tip is included in the cost of the delivered food ( Pizza 20$, 2$ tip , total bill 22$ )
2. People should be tipped for service which is beyond and above expectations for food delivery ( this does no include doing your job and delivering the food that is still hot and within the maximum time allowed for delivery )
3. I know delivery people are not satisfied with their earnings but guess what, 95% of people not working delivery jobs is also not satisfied with the money they are earing. If you are not satisfied with your food delivery job, don't start spitting into food, start looking for a new (better paying) job.
People often use the argument "we should be tipped for delivering the food, if they don't want to tip they should come and pick up their order".
For those people, I would suggest a different view:
If the place where you are working didn't do deliveries maybe people wouldn't order there and the place would soon be out of business. It would close down, and you would be without a job, so you not only wouldn't get tips but you would also be out of your regular earnings.
And to make a small comparison with other jobs:
Do you expect your car to break regularly because your mechanic is not satisifed with the tip you are giving him so he never repairs your car the way he should?
Do you expect your roof to start leaking because person who was building the roof was not satisfied because he didn't get tipped for doing his job?
Do you expect to get radiation poisoning because inspector from office of Air and Radiation was not satisfied when he came to your city to measure radiation he wasn't taken to lunch first by city officials, so he did some measuring and wrote a quick report that radiation is within limits and went home thinking "although radiation is above the norm it won't kill them and those cheap bastards should get a little 'radiated' ... they even didn't offer me a snack and I traveled all the way to there town ... "
People, please get serious and start doing your job
Depends when you asked, as that is the way it used to work before rule changes introduced:
"If the “for as long as” duration never starts, or it ends before the moment the effect would first be applied, the effect does nothing."
If both players are aware what happened, i don't see any problems here
There is a triggered ability with a default action ( counter that spell or ability unless 2 is paid )
Why would you have to remind your opponent to explicitly says that he will not pay the mana during trigger resolution?
If he plays doom blade, doesn't pay 2 and puts the doom blade into his graveyard, isn't it obvious what has happened ( during spell resolution 2 was not paid and the spell was countered )
Cultivate doesn't target ( it doesn't say "Target player searches his library for up to two basic lands ..." )
So you first shuffle your graveyard into your library, and then you search ( you can even find the same Emrakul you discarded
Nitpick:
Emrakul's ability will trigger while you are playing Shaman's ability ( paying costs ), but it will not be put on the stack until you finish playing shaman's ability.
Wow
I never thought that you can be forced, by the infinite loop, to change the order of the replacement effects that are affecting ..something, just to break the loop
Although ... choosing the order of replacement effects is a choice ...
Very nice
It hadn't changed.
Opponent thinks my Argothian Enchantress has a creature type enchantress, I know that this has been errated to human druid, but i don't think that enchantress is illegal creature type for him to choose ( there might be some other creatures that have this creature type)
Just a quick question about this,
On turn 2 i play Argothian Enchantress" target="blank">Argothian Enchantress. My opponent studies the card ( looking at creature types, abilities.... ), he doesn't counter the card, and it resolves. On the following turn he kills it ( never mind how )
On turn 5 he plays plague and chooses enchantress. Neither me or him know that enchantress is no longer a valid creature type.
On turn 8 i play Argothian Enchantress" target="blank">Argothian Enchantress, my opponent doesent' counter, he lets it resolve and then he tells me "it dies as it gets -1/-1" and i tell him "it's creature type is human druid not enchantress "
What happens now?
Well actually, it doesn't make sense
If a creature is moving within 8 squares of the 0/8 wall , then 0/8 wall can move ( to intercept ), but if nobody is moving within 8 squares, the wall is unable to move? That absolutely makes no sense to me
What would make sense is that the wall can't move from the position that it is placed on the board, but can intercept any creature within 8 fields that is moving
How intercept works.
"Creature stalemates don't exist or at least to a lesser extent. A player can't just sit behind three Glacial Walls against three Trained Armodon. In Tactics, all three Trained Armodon can be brought together to take down a single Glacial Wall. "
If the wall has intercept radius of 7 and the elephant has movement of 3, how can all the elephants charge one wall without other walls intercepting them?
Also, when the creature ( in this case wall ) moves to intercept does it physically move to the square where it intercepts ?
For example if i have a wall 0/8 and it is on field X=4 Y=10, and i want to intercept creature on X=12 Y=10 do i move the wall there permanently and then, in the next turn, in the intercept phase, i can intercept a creature that is at X=20 Y=10 ?
If the creatures with high defense can move this far for intercept, can they move, during intercept phase, to a field where there is nothing to intercept?