Disappointing set tbh, my cube is more like the MTGO Vintage Cube so I don't support B Aggro so not much to get excited for. I love Bedevil's artwork tho, may be an include just for that
I do have Percy as a B 4 drop, perhaps Spawn of Mayhem replaces it?
Another 6 months, another update. Not finding much discussion (Vintage Cube is the best peeps!)
I had already made a lot of these changes myself. WOTC must have looked at my cube on cubetutor (or maybe they are just THAT obvious)
Razaketh, the Foulblooded > Demonlord Belzenlok ....... I run both, my group loves "cheating fatties"
Phyrexian Arena > Nezumi Shortfang ....... This was actually in the last iteration of VC, don't care for it or the other black card
Collective Brutality > Nezumi Graverobber ....... ^^^^^See above
Desecration Demon > Gonti, Lord of Luxury ....... Ran both for a time, NO ONE played Gonti so he got the boot. Doubt I'll add him again, doesn't really have an archetype IMO. Maybe I'm not seeing it, but I'm not the only one since he never got picked above 13
Gurmag Angler > Noxious Gearhulk ....... I prefer the Gearhulk, already running
Skinrender > Ravenous Chupacabra ....... Easy switch here, already done
Magus of the Will > Arguel's Blood Fast ....... Think I'll keep Magus, Storm & spells matter. Although not seeing much play, just not a fan of the Blood Fast
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet > Vraska's Contempt ....... Not currently running either. If i can grab a cheap Contempt I may cut Magus or something
Diabolic Edict > Cast Down ....... Why not both?
Reflector Mage > Teferi, Hero of Dominaria ....... I slept on Teferi, like many others. Guess I'll have to drop 30-40 and get one *SIGH*
Growing Rites of Itlimoc > Thrashing Brontodon ....... I like this switch, never ran Growing Rites. It's no Search for Azcanta
Traverse the Ulvenwald > Ancient Stirrings ....... Don't currently run either, But I'd take Stirrings
Managorger Hydra > Jadelight Ranger ....... I run both, but the Hydra is on the brink of dropping out
Linvala, the Preserver > Lyra Dawnbringer ....... Linvala was trash. Lyra was an auto-include due to the number of Angels
Vryn Wingmare > History of Benalia ....... No brainer, Horse is no Thalia
Seeker of the Way > Benalish Marshal ....... Never was impressed with Seeker, I'll make this switch
Soldier of the Pantheon > Skymarcher Aspirant ....... Already done
Reckless Bushwhacker > Goblin Chainwhirler ....... Bushwhacker was pretty bad imo. I know Chainwhirler is dominating standard but does it really have a spot in Vintage Cube?
Guttersnipe > Rekindling Phoenix ....... Guttersnipe adds up in Storm, I've not played with the Phoenix. I'll consider it but another pricey addition.
Harsh Mentor > Dire Fleet Daredevil ....... I rock both, solid 2 drops for R
Mental Misstep > Blink of an Eye ....... Is blink really this good? IDK about this one
Boros Charm > Wear // Tear ....... Good switch, Izzet Charm stands alone now
Ral Zarek > Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain ....... Not feeling it....
Hedron Archive > Everflowing Chalice ....... I never dropped Chalice, Ramp decks LOVE it. I currently run both, but I have about 10 more artifacts than MTGO
Scroll Rack > Lotus Petal ....... I run both and always have. I'll consider dropping Rack, it is VERY slow.
God-Pharaoh's Gift > Karn, Scion of Urza ....... I run both, but Gift doesn't see much action.
Westvale Abbey > Field of Ruin ....... No one ever picks the Abbey, I'll probably make the switch
I initially thought leaving the communal library as is. This would make scry effects interesting as after a scry resolved the other player would play some instant speed draw and "steal" the card. Also Memory Lapse would not only counter the spell, it would flat out steal it. But after reading that Ben Stark recommended dealing out individual libraries for the game, I've deceived to go that route. That way scry works as intended, and I can run things like Nightveil Specter & Etali, Primal Storm and get the full benefit.
I know you're not supposed to run search library cards like Mystical Tutor. But since I'm now dealing libraries out I wonder if it may be acceptable to search your current stack instead of the whole box. I'd love to run cards like Planar Bridge, it really tickles my Timmy Bone. And since the players have no clue what's in the libraries when the effect is played it'd still be random (however they could see what else the deck contained). Any thoughts?
I play on a DELL optiplex 745 (work pc), literally a decade old and it runs fine on Windows 7. One of the reasons I'm not excited about Arena, too many bells and whistles may hog this dinosaur's resources.
Here are the updates, also posting what I plan on doing with my vintage cube. I always consider cards MTGO uses.
Mardu Woe-Reaper > Legion's Landing ....... I'll probably make this switch
Spirit of the Labyrinth > Adanto Vanguard ....... Not really feeling this one, don't play standard is he any good?
Exalted Angel > Angel of Invention ....... Good move
Anticipate > Search for Azcanta ....... I'll try it
Thada Adel, Acquisitor > Augur of Bolas ....... Augur making a comeback? Don't get this one really
Careful Study > Chart a Course ....... I run Chart already, probably not cutting Study
Sidisi, Undead Vizier > Razaketh, the Foulblooded ....... Sure, I like this one
Lifebane Zombie > Kitesail Freebooter ....... Lifebane doesn't impress, but I've already got Fiend and Maggot
Lightning Mauler > Hazoret the Fervent ....... Not sure, again I don't play standard
Magus of the Wheel > Glorybringer ....... Probably doing this
Smash to Smithereens > Abrade ....... Abrade is already in mine, so many good artifacts tho. why not both?
Searing Blaze > Rite of Flame ....... IDK, really pushing Storm aren't they? Some ppl i play with consider it non-interactive and NPE
Crater's Claws > Desperate Ritual ....... see above
Brimstone Volley > Pyretic Ritual ....... yada yada
Kargan Dragonlord > Mana Flare ....... Heartbeat for red, I like this move
Seasons Past > Growing Rites of Itlimoc ....... Not big on either really
Shadowmage Infiltrator > The Scarab God ....... Scarab God looks cool, just don't wanna pay the price for one lol
Dragonlord Silumgar > Hostage Taker ....... I run Taker and it's been fun, but i won't be cutting Silumgar any time soon
Garruk, Apex Predator > Vraska, Relic Seeker ....... I could go either way, I already run Garruk so it'll stay with him
Pithing Needle > Sorcerous Spyglass ....... Not sure about this one, I run both currently. Maybe I'll cut Needle
Everflowing Chalice > God-Pharaoh's Gift ....... Bad switch IMO, is there something i'm missing on Gift? Chalice is solid in most decks
it's wizards fault is people buy fakes. they brought this on themselves so it's perfectly fine if people buy fakes in order to play eternal.
(buying them in order to scam people it's different of course, but still, it's wizards fault again)
This guy gets it. I would be fine if the backs said FAKE in giant font. I would never try and "cash in" and sell them for a (BIG) profit. Besides, I'd miss them in my vintage cube.
And as for the paper in sleeves thing, it changes the density of the card somewhat having a piece of paper shoved in over a macabre waltz. I can feel it when i shuffle.
I understand the density issue. I've felt it before. The best answer is to put a piece of paper over every card in the cube. That at least makes it consistent all the way through. Not the greatest solution, but it still works. If the cards did say FAKE all the way through I'd be fine as well. What these people are doing though, is attempting to pass off counterfeits as the real deal. I hope every one of them gets shut down and thrown in jail.
/edit There is one thing I just don't understand. You seem to have no problem screwing Wizards over by buying counterfeits. However you have some sort of moral code that won't allow you to screw over an individual by trying to pass the card off as legit? Both acts are infringing on Wizards copyrights, yet one is acceptable and one is not?
Wow.. You are putting the blame on Wizards??? that is like saying a raped woman did it to herself because she dressed provocatively. This is an abhorrent argument to make. I strongly suggest you go back and rethink your position.
this makes no sense and you should use more appropriate examples and in the future try not to put words in other people mouth's
yes i blame wizard and i find nothing wrong with that honestly. wizards only cares about three things:
- standard
- limited
- commander
wizards hates eternal and we all know that. it has absolutely no respect for players ( an example: banning to death decks and making people 1) build a new deck hoping it will not get the axe too 2) quit magic ). the reason the reserved list is here is not because they want to preserve collectors investment (a alpha lotus place will not change in value if they reprint it c'mon) but because wizard doesn't want people to play a format in which they get no profit and when you buy into, you don't have to buy anything else.
so yeah, buying counterfeits could be even a positive thing since wizard would start to get less money and thus forced to do something good for the players for once
/edit There is one thing I just don't understand. You seem to have no problem screwing Wizards over by buying counterfeits. However you have some sort of moral code that won't allow you to screw over an individual by trying to pass the card off as legit? Both acts are infringing on Wizards copyrights, yet one is acceptable and one is not?
how can you compare buying counterfits because you want to play a game that otherwise you can't because wizard doesn't let you do so, with scamming people ?
Yeah I give up trying to explain my reasons to the guy (or gal). They seriously think I will print and cut 700 sheets of paper and slide into each card sleeve in the cube? C'mon guy (or gal).
it's wizards fault is people buy fakes. they brought this on themselves so it's perfectly fine if people buy fakes in order to play eternal.
(buying them in order to scam people it's different of course, but still, it's wizards fault again)
This guy gets it. I would be fine if the backs said FAKE in giant font. I would never try and "cash in" and sell them for a (BIG) profit. Besides, I'd miss them in my vintage cube.
And as for the paper in sleeves thing, it changes the density of the card somewhat having a piece of paper shoved in over a macabre waltz. I can feel it when i shuffle.
Just google Black Core MTG Proxies, they come from china and cost less than a dollar each. My cube is awesome thanks to these "criminals".
Seriously dude? You're a big part of the problem. If you're buying these things, then they have a business. An increase in counterfeiting or proxying, whatever you want to call it, should make even you nervous as it completely undermines the legitimacy of real cards!
Nope, it's just a game. One i enjoy and play to have fun. I'm not going to try and pawn these off on someone as the real mccoy, i play to have fun not to make money. If Wotc won't reprint (even gold bordered) some of the awesomeness that is just waaaayyy too pricey. I'll get proxies and have a blast playing with them.:)
Disappointing set tbh, my cube is more like the MTGO Vintage Cube so I don't support B Aggro so not much to get excited for. I love Bedevil's artwork tho, may be an include just for that
I do have Percy as a B 4 drop, perhaps Spawn of Mayhem replaces it?
I had already made a lot of these changes myself. WOTC must have looked at my cube on cubetutor (or maybe they are just THAT obvious)
Razaketh, the Foulblooded > Demonlord Belzenlok ....... I run both, my group loves "cheating fatties"
Phyrexian Arena > Nezumi Shortfang ....... This was actually in the last iteration of VC, don't care for it or the other black card
Collective Brutality > Nezumi Graverobber ....... ^^^^^See above
Desecration Demon > Gonti, Lord of Luxury ....... Ran both for a time, NO ONE played Gonti so he got the boot. Doubt I'll add him again, doesn't really have an archetype IMO. Maybe I'm not seeing it, but I'm not the only one since he never got picked above 13
Gurmag Angler > Noxious Gearhulk ....... I prefer the Gearhulk, already running
Skinrender > Ravenous Chupacabra ....... Easy switch here, already done
Magus of the Will > Arguel's Blood Fast ....... Think I'll keep Magus, Storm & spells matter. Although not seeing much play, just not a fan of the Blood Fast
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet > Vraska's Contempt ....... Not currently running either. If i can grab a cheap Contempt I may cut Magus or something
Diabolic Edict > Cast Down ....... Why not both?
Reflector Mage > Teferi, Hero of Dominaria ....... I slept on Teferi, like many others. Guess I'll have to drop 30-40 and get one *SIGH*
Growing Rites of Itlimoc > Thrashing Brontodon ....... I like this switch, never ran Growing Rites. It's no Search for Azcanta
Traverse the Ulvenwald > Ancient Stirrings ....... Don't currently run either, But I'd take Stirrings
Managorger Hydra > Jadelight Ranger ....... I run both, but the Hydra is on the brink of dropping out
Linvala, the Preserver > Lyra Dawnbringer ....... Linvala was trash. Lyra was an auto-include due to the number of Angels
Vryn Wingmare > History of Benalia ....... No brainer, Horse is no Thalia
Seeker of the Way > Benalish Marshal ....... Never was impressed with Seeker, I'll make this switch
Soldier of the Pantheon > Skymarcher Aspirant ....... Already done
Reckless Bushwhacker > Goblin Chainwhirler ....... Bushwhacker was pretty bad imo. I know Chainwhirler is dominating standard but does it really have a spot in Vintage Cube?
Guttersnipe > Rekindling Phoenix ....... Guttersnipe adds up in Storm, I've not played with the Phoenix. I'll consider it but another pricey addition.
Harsh Mentor > Dire Fleet Daredevil ....... I rock both, solid 2 drops for R
Mental Misstep > Blink of an Eye ....... Is blink really this good? IDK about this one
Boros Charm > Wear // Tear ....... Good switch, Izzet Charm stands alone now
Ral Zarek > Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain ....... Not feeling it....
Hedron Archive > Everflowing Chalice ....... I never dropped Chalice, Ramp decks LOVE it. I currently run both, but I have about 10 more artifacts than MTGO
Scroll Rack > Lotus Petal ....... I run both and always have. I'll consider dropping Rack, it is VERY slow.
God-Pharaoh's Gift > Karn, Scion of Urza ....... I run both, but Gift doesn't see much action.
Westvale Abbey > Field of Ruin ....... No one ever picks the Abbey, I'll probably make the switch
I initially thought leaving the communal library as is. This would make scry effects interesting as after a scry resolved the other player would play some instant speed draw and "steal" the card. Also Memory Lapse would not only counter the spell, it would flat out steal it. But after reading that Ben Stark recommended dealing out individual libraries for the game, I've deceived to go that route. That way scry works as intended, and I can run things like Nightveil Specter & Etali, Primal Storm and get the full benefit.
I know you're not supposed to run search library cards like Mystical Tutor. But since I'm now dealing libraries out I wonder if it may be acceptable to search your current stack instead of the whole box. I'd love to run cards like Planar Bridge, it really tickles my Timmy Bone. And since the players have no clue what's in the libraries when the effect is played it'd still be random (however they could see what else the deck contained). Any thoughts?
Mardu Woe-Reaper > Legion's Landing ....... I'll probably make this switch
Spirit of the Labyrinth > Adanto Vanguard ....... Not really feeling this one, don't play standard is he any good?
Exalted Angel > Angel of Invention ....... Good move
Anticipate > Search for Azcanta ....... I'll try it
Thada Adel, Acquisitor > Augur of Bolas ....... Augur making a comeback? Don't get this one really
Careful Study > Chart a Course ....... I run Chart already, probably not cutting Study
Sidisi, Undead Vizier > Razaketh, the Foulblooded ....... Sure, I like this one
Lifebane Zombie > Kitesail Freebooter ....... Lifebane doesn't impress, but I've already got Fiend and Maggot
Lightning Mauler > Hazoret the Fervent ....... Not sure, again I don't play standard
Magus of the Wheel > Glorybringer ....... Probably doing this
Smash to Smithereens > Abrade ....... Abrade is already in mine, so many good artifacts tho. why not both?
Searing Blaze > Rite of Flame ....... IDK, really pushing Storm aren't they? Some ppl i play with consider it non-interactive and NPE
Crater's Claws > Desperate Ritual ....... see above
Brimstone Volley > Pyretic Ritual ....... yada yada
Kargan Dragonlord > Mana Flare ....... Heartbeat for red, I like this move
Seasons Past > Growing Rites of Itlimoc ....... Not big on either really
Shadowmage Infiltrator > The Scarab God ....... Scarab God looks cool, just don't wanna pay the price for one lol
Dragonlord Silumgar > Hostage Taker ....... I run Taker and it's been fun, but i won't be cutting Silumgar any time soon
Garruk, Apex Predator > Vraska, Relic Seeker ....... I could go either way, I already run Garruk so it'll stay with him
Pithing Needle > Sorcerous Spyglass ....... Not sure about this one, I run both currently. Maybe I'll cut Needle
Everflowing Chalice > God-Pharaoh's Gift ....... Bad switch IMO, is there something i'm missing on Gift? Chalice is solid in most decks
1 more combo grabber, which?
My cube already runs Vamp, Grim, Seal, Demonic.
This guy gets it. I would be fine if the backs said FAKE in giant font. I would never try and "cash in" and sell them for a (BIG) profit. Besides, I'd miss them in my vintage cube.
And as for the paper in sleeves thing, it changes the density of the card somewhat having a piece of paper shoved in over a macabre waltz. I can feel it when i shuffle.
Nope, it's just a game. One i enjoy and play to have fun. I'm not going to try and pawn these off on someone as the real mccoy, i play to have fun not to make money. If Wotc won't reprint (even gold bordered) some of the awesomeness that is just waaaayyy too pricey. I'll get proxies and have a blast playing with them.:)