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  • posted a message on FETCHABLE Cycling Duals!
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    So because these CYCLE lands produce BI-COLORED mana, can we call them BICYCLE lands? Dancing Banana


    ...

    Okay, I can't help it: You saw this coming.

    For modern this looks good, but unfortunately they really need slow enemy lands and fast allied right now. Enemy lands are way stronger in the current standard and even frontier right now.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Force of Will TCG (FoW)
    Quote from bwbollom »
    That's good to hear! I've actually been playing fairly regularly. I have a standing appointment with my LGS owner and a couple of others to play on Monday nights. Since Vingolf 3 and CFC came out, I've been trying to build a few new decks. I've been running a W/B Zero deck, R/W Lumia, and an upgraded version of my G/W Fiethsing deck that was originally built from the Swarming Elves starter, but has morphed into something more competitive in my meta. Unfortunately, this past Monday I played against 2 guys, 3 different decks from them, and went 0-6...didn't win a game. They were all pretty close, but I just couldn't finish. A bit frustrating, but I'll try again next week.


    My time table always makes my game times questionable these days, but I try to make one day a month a card game night, whether it's MtG or Force of Will (right now the later). The big issue I've ran into coming back is Vingolf 3 was severely under printed. I've got two boxes on order from a store and the distributors are completely out, so the order is delayed almost indefinitely. The company just got around to printing more Legacy Lost because of the popularity being higher than expected, which is why Lumia is so pricy despite Pricia being the most rampant ruler strategy on the competitive block.

    I'm hoping they will get around to another print run of vingolf 3 by May. I'm just not sure if the Force of Will Company is able to react fast enough to get a run out in time.
    Posted in: Other Card Games
  • posted a message on Amonkhet Impact on Frontier
    I can't see it ever hitting Modern prices. Modern is weird I need that it encompasses a time period where Magic almost died. Kami had an absurdly small print run as Affinity basically killed Standard attendance. My friends shop actually went under from it. He has since reopened and wisely has mutiple games supported at his store. Frontier has sets with HUGE print runs. The only costly items will be the fetches and maybe baby Jace.


    The one lesson I learned from looking at the history of TCGs is never under-estimate the march of time. That and I got a feeling that wizards will be starting their next non-rotating format from BFZ and up. Given the card feel and security measures it seems like they were prototyping in M15-Origins and BFZ is where they got the new security measures largely in place for counter fits. The other factor is that they don't want fetches in the next format because they have too many powerful synergies with some of the mechanics they now have like Delirium, revolt, etc.

    I've actually been trading out of a lot of m15 and kahns block stuff myself except for things I want for commander because the two sets are almost 100% guaranteed modern only. Origins is up in the air, but I doubt it will make the cut due to being under opened and being a core set.
    Posted in: Frontier
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from jwf239 »
    Looking again solely at scalding tarn (I think it is the best single card to measure availability and trends of MM17) it seems to be on a slight downswing. It hit about $55 for a day and now single copies are popping up at $50. Almost all of the non fools are 1 or 2 ofs which tells me packs are still being opened at a fairly steady rate.

    Basically we will know the answer to your question when tarn makes a run to $60+. May be a few months or a week but that will signal when packs start to dry up.


    The thing with cards like Tarn is that we are in the post release popularity spike for hot cards. It's a rare land that is in high demand across the board and a huge number of players never got their copies. Karn and Noble Heirarch had the same kind of price pattern as the new lands, so it will "slow burn" down as Wedge puts it in his videos as time goes on. That and as of right now stores can still order boxes of MM2017 directly from wizards, so sealed product is still available for opening and drafting.

    Also, there is the factor of how popular Amonket will be after the ravages of the current standard, which coincidently pushed a lot of players into modern or other formats / games. If trends continue we may see more MM2017 get drafted than people expect. Modern is just a better format right now than standard is, and while wizards will likely print counters to vehicles and +1/+1 counter decks in amonket, they definitely didn't account for the Saheeli combo and have no way to react to it. Plus they have cards going all the way back to BFZ still in standard that should have rotated. That means anyone wanting to pick giddeon up for modern will still be waiting for fall and will likely turn to MM2017 uncommons / commons to buy up, as those prices are pretty level right now and as low as they are going to go. (Looking at you Path to Exile, Abrupt Decay, Inquisition of Kozilek).
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Amonkhet Impact on Frontier
    Quote from jesseber »
    People still play Frontier?


    A lot of people play frontier, you just don't see coverage of it as much as modern or standard because it's so young. It's basically the middle ground between pauper and modern in my own mind. At least until time itself ticks the costs up and makes it as expensive as the modern format.
    Posted in: Frontier
  • posted a message on All Invocations March 28th
    The choice of promotional frame for invocations is definitely going to rank among some of the worst work they have done in a while, though I'm going to point out that the design had good intentions. They clearly wanted to make something egyptian themed, came up with a concept, and tried exceptionally hard to realize that concept into a finalized design. The issue is that they probably tried a little too hard and lost track of the basic card design people are used to in magic.

    Take something like the mana symbol and the power and toughness. There is a reason they have the color identity along with a drop shadow under the symbols: It makes the casting costs clear to the player and increases legibility. Also, the positioning is just as important as when the future sight cards were revealed that was one of the big issues that design had. Another problem with the new cards is the power and toughness. The lack of drop shadow and bold, dark colors against the back make them hard to read, and the change of orientation will confuse anyone new to the game as to what the numbers mean.

    Next, we got the color identity and the artwork. The artwork is fantastic as always, but due to the chunky design of the pillars and border they had to reduce the space for the artwork to what appears to be 3/4 or 5/6 the area of the inventions (if anyone wants to get the exact shrinkage please feel free). The color identity as printed on the card can easily be mistaken as a printing mishap when dealing with blue, as cyan is one of the four printing colors that show up when running out of ink. Also, the fact it doesn't take up a more identifiable area of the card amplifies the issue with the mana symbols not having enough contrast.

    As for typography: I don't care what MaRo or any WoTC designer says their intent was. This is a card game and people need to be able to legibly read the card name whether it is a promotional lottery card or not. They had options at their disposal for better fonts and there are ways to work standard highly legible fonts into the design. My graphic design instructor for the Typography class would have failed the student trying to present this card design because it fails even the basic requirements.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Aven Mindcensor and Gods are only Invocations in Main Set
    I think the majority of players are just glad to finally have an Aven Mindcensor that doesn't have the future sight card frame. Some people liked that frame, but if places like Reddit and twitter are any indication a great number of players did not.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Force of Will TCG (FoW)
    Its been picking up steam again and I've started building another deck now with Lapis cluster. It seems the distributors must have pushed back against the company because the print runs seem smaller now, but I'm hoping they do more runs to help keep the prices in check. Heck, it's actually hard to find regalia right now for my RG pricia aggro.
    Posted in: Other Card Games
  • posted a message on State of Modern Thread: bans, format health, metagame, and more! (3/13 update)
    Quote from idSurge »
    What I'm hoping, is that the UWx decks make a move out of fringe.

    Because it has the tools to beat and contain Shadow decks.

    I mean isn't that the goal of having a strong control deck in the meta? To allow us to police ourselves?


    Wizards will definitely print something that will help UWx. The question of what that something is remains to be seen and if the pleas for stronger counters, better card draw options, and a stronger blue walker all hit home soon enough to affect what gets put into the fall quarter of 2017. The one catch is if they can find some way to strengthen blue in modern without messing up whatever new non-rotating format they decide to come up with.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Cracked article on counterfeiting M:tG cards.
    Actually, YuGiOh had it's Shaymin EX as well thanks to a particular card and it's interaction with "Zoodiac Monsters". In any case, I feel that third party cards exist because of wizards being in a rather questionable moral gray area with how they reprint cards given they know what the cards cost on the second market. The one 60 card format that was supposed to get away from the costs of legacy ended up becoming just as difficult to get into for the majority of players thanks to overly conservative reprint policies. Modern Masters 2017 is like revealing a small oasis to a mass of dehydrated and emaciated desert denizens. Even with the reprints the prices aren't dropping enough to make the long since rotated cards affordable because of so many players with the line drawn at even 40 usd never got a chance to get copies. There's probably an entire universe worth of players at the 15-20 usd mark that don't have copies.

    If wizards can't even support the current non-rotating format I don't really see how they are going to be able to support a future one properly. Not with how they are acting with reprinting older cards.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Cracked article on counterfeiting M:tG cards.
    Fake (well, proxy) mtg cards are not really the devil people make them out to be. The primary reason we have them floating around is due to an issue with wizards not having given enough support to modern and legacy. They just don't want to deal with the one year down turn standard would have as players furnished up modern decks, got done with Modern, then migrate back to standard.

    As for legacy, that has the reserved list.

    Going to agree that selling them as legitimate originals is a big no no, though. That's actually one of the problems with selling ones that look identical to the original cards.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Is it time to bring back old school Extended?
    Quote from Shea_0 »
    Quote from ktkenshinx »
    Quote from icehippo »
    With the rise in popularity of Frontier...

    I challenge this notion of a "rise in popularity." Article coverage of the format has been virtually nonexistent these past weeks, most of the major events dropped all their Frontier side events after many didn't fire, and even Japanese Frontier tournament attendance is still much lower than it is at Japanese Modern events. I focus on the Japanese attendance issue because this is the target audience for Frontier and many of these events are launched by the company that pushed Frontier in the first place! But when a Sunday Frontier event draws only 16 people and the Modern one is still drawing 38, or 13 for Frontier and 30 for Modern on the same day, that points to some underlying problems. Indeed, in the Hareruya circuit and tracked tournaments, Frontier attendance is about equal to Standard attendance; Modern is still ahead on most days.

    If Frontier can't gain traction in that core target market, there's no way it's going to succeed elsewhere. This is what happens when companies launch formats primarily to sell unpopular stock.


    I appreciate your insight, I wish more people could see your comment. I worry about fellow players getting taken advantage of financially by being told to buy into frontier. It smells like the vendors and speculators crapped their pants when the new 2 set per block size resulted in vastly increased print runs, and add in shorter rotation and it's easy to pinpoint the hype train for frontier being a result of people trying to offload bulk/rotated cards onto unsuspecting people.


    EDIT: I'd like to add to the overall conversation by quoting myself from 2 months ago:

    "I believe there is a new format over the horizon that will be introduced by WoTC in about 2 years that will start at Origins. There are a lot of factors that make me suspicious of this.

    By the appearance of the increased power level in the KLD block,
    the absence of any fetch lands Including and after Origins,
    Magic Origins beginning the new 2-set blocks,
    paradigm shifts across the board in recent set design,
    increased print production/rarity shifts (inventions),
    a very recent paradigm shift in Ban/Restrict rulings moving forward....

    Basically what I think I'm seeing is WoTC creating the foundation for their own new competitive format over the horizon.

    What if we see the enemy fetches printed in MM17 rather than into Standard...? Well the writing is on the walls at that point right? I think it would be a clear sign that they're protecting the new sets from the inclusion of fetches.

    When I say protecting new sets I mean everything after Magic Origins because I believe this to be the starting point WoTC will choose for the new format"


    It is still out there whether they pick battle for zendikar or origins as the start. BFZ block feels more likely due to the land cycles starting there.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Is it time to bring back old school Extended?
    We don't actually need extended. The problem right now is that wizards created an implicit promise with the making of the reserved list that other card games avoided, and that was to honor the value of cards on the second hand market. It's why they keep having to print awful mana bases at common and uncommon, while only peppering reprints of high demand modern lands like zendikar fetches.

    Regardless of format, they will never be able to run a non-rotating format for casual and competitive players if they have to honor secondary market price increases, as it means the company can't adequately answer demands on rotated cards.

    The community at large has been pushing back against this for a while, though, so there is hope out there.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Temporary 3/13/2017 banlist update discussion thread ("No Changes")
    I think blues problem is that other colors have been usurping its powers and benefits too much. Green just got LifeCrafter's Bestiary, and even though it's not exactly the most playable modern card, it illustrates the issue well enough. At this rate Wizards may just have to reinvent blue to give it a new lease on life while still keeping it true to what the color is supposed to represent. It's sort of funny looking back at Time Spiral block and realizing that colorshifted cards never really left.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    I'm not trying to bash on MtG, but if someone doesn't think Magic is going through a downfall right now from players quitting the game they have to be living under a rock. However, the segment that this is happening with is only a part of the entire player base. Casual players are largely unaffected by a poor standard except through the bad PR it generates, and modern players for the most part don't care about standard outside of how the cards from it fit into modern.

    Modern prices do get impacted by the health of standard indirectly, though. Standard drives interest in Magic and the more interest in Magic the more opportunities there are for players to get introduced to alternative formats like Modern. A weak standard drops interest in the game as a whole, which leaves the market in the hands of players who are mostly already established in it.
    Posted in: Modern
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