What do you guys pick here? No obvious pick to me unless you want to commit to a guild. Shark and get to the point seem the strongest. Blade Juggler and Growth Guardian seem to be less strong but more open. This is my first draft of this set fyi.
What do you think about picking up hunted witness? Some maniacal Rage's and/or sure strikes can make him a pretty good trade. Haven't played much for ravnica draft (this is my second one, actually) but I'm not sure if it's even playable.
My first 4 picks were pretty solid Boros. My question on this pick since the last 3 packs have been pretty sparse on white do I pick up one of the izzet cards to stay open? Is piston-fist cyclops playable in boros? Would you just go boar?
Question: If you are playing straight UR, no black for Bolas, how do you deal with a resolved Bolas?
This is my biggest concern. Ideally you counter it, which shouldn't be terribly difficult because they would need probably 9 mana at a minimum to cast it with back up counter magic, and at that point you just keep 2 counters available. But rare circumstances are going to happen and it will sometimes get in. So is it worth adjusting the deck in some way to be able to beat it (like Imprisoned on the Moon) which will weaken the deck otherwise, or better to assume you can keep counter magic for it up and the rare time it does land you just accept as a loss?
Run 1 copy of Commit/Memory. It won't hurt your consistency overall, as it's a decent answer to everything (actually the only good answer UR has to Sphinx as well). It's far from ideal, of course, but it's your only way of removing it from the game.
What do you mean? I never said they would go back down to their original price, but when the spikes hit they almost always rebound back down unless the card was out of print for a long time like something from Time Spiral or Shards. Fulminator Mage is very likely to see a reprint in the future and the demand can't hold the card at it's current point unless the meta changes. The downside is that the reprint is still going to have to be Eternal or modern masters, which is bad news for players looking for a reprint in the short term.
You speak like this is something new to the game. Its not. Its been this way forever. Its not bad news for anyone. Its how the market and system works.
You dont know what cards will be reprinted. You can hope. But that's what speculation is. You stay way from cards you think will be reprinted, and you buy into those you dont think will be.
Erm. Are you serious? When wizards pushes out reprints, and the format in turn gets MORE expensive, it's terrible for the players, and the format in general. You call it a "market" but a market like this didn't exist 10 years ago. Speculation was much much less significant. It stands to reason that the bigger it got that this was inevitably the result, but this sort of purposeful price spiking is only good for the speculators that won. It increases the barrier for new blood to enter, and it doesn't help the players unless they suddenly decide to quit and liquidize their collection. Magic is going up and up and up in price. What goes up, must come down, and for very obvious reasons in this case.
It went down to 40 because no one's going to buy a *****ty uncommon for 50 dollars. When it doesn't sell, sellers attempt to undercut others to get the sale.
>****ty uncommon
>4-of staple in Modern's best deck
Ok, you sold all your BGx stuff. Thanks for telling us! But some people still want to play Thoughtseize into Goyf, and now they can do that without losing to Urza's Tower. Bauble is not even as expensive as some of the other cards in the deck. What's to gain from bringing your emotions to the table?
Does anyone else find it slightly disheartening that as soon as the card list for MM3 was known, the expensive cards that didn't get a reprint immediately jump in price, some by as much as 30-50%? I get it, people like to make money, but it almost negates the purpose of MM sets. Where prices go down, you have other staples rise up sharply. Your net gain expense wise to get into the format is almost non-existent. The fetches help overall though, so I'm glad those got a reprint being the foundation to the format. All other format staples that didn't get a reprint... wow. Also, Chalice of the void just REEKS of insider trading. MM set a month away, and the price spikes nearly 50%? Hmm.
Either way, drafts are going to be so fun with MM3 - can't wait.
No, I don't find basic economics disheartening.
Pretty snarky, but the fact that you said that leads me to believe you don't know enough about "basic economics". Carry on.
Does anyone else find it slightly disheartening that as soon as the card list for MM3 was known, the expensive cards that didn't get a reprint immediately jump in price, some by as much as 30-50%? I get it, people like to make money, but it almost negates the purpose of MM sets. Where prices go down, you have other staples rise up sharply. Your net gain expense wise to get into the format is almost non-existent. The fetches help overall though, so I'm glad those got a reprint being the foundation to the format. All other format staples that didn't get a reprint... wow. Also, Chalice of the void just REEKS of insider trading. MM set a month away, and the price spikes nearly 50%? Hmm.
Either way, drafts are going to be so fun with MM3 - can't wait.
The thing one has to remember is that in many cases prices for quite a few of the higher end modern-legal cards (value wise) had been stagnant or trending down in the run up to the previews for the modern masters set. Many people (myself included) were hedging their bets by offloading a bunch of the higher end modern legal cards in order to avoid potentially greater losses for the cards that got reprinted (doing so actually saved me quite a bit in potential paper losses versus what I lost on paper due to the modern masters 2015 release when I didn't have time to list stuff.) Once the set is announced fully and the cards that weren't reprinted are known, then those cards are inevitably going to resume their inevitable climb upwards as people try to grab them up for as cheaply as possible as the people who were sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what would be reprinted resume their purchasing for their decks.
As for Chalice.... I keep hearing about people talking about insider trading and all this stuff. From what I have observed, the reason for the spike in demand at the time that it occurred was largely due to certain modern decks (I think cheerios or something like that was getting a lot of attention at the time) popping up that chalice worked well as a sideboard card against, thus significantly increasing demand for the card and causing the inevitable spike. As someone who was selling chalice among all of the other higher end modern cards over that same period of time, I sold 13 playsets of Chalice in a variety of conditions (I owned/ran the magic singles for a shop for 6 years for why I had so many) to 13 different buyers on ebay a month before the previews started. Demand for the card was plain and simply massive and inevitably the supply reached critical mass and the price went up (as what happens with practically any card with high demand and depleting supply). Is the timing odd? Sure, I can understand why some would certainly question that, however if you look deeper and see what others are talking about as to why the cards demand shot up it seems certainly to be caused due to increased demand for the card due to certain modern decks getting more attention and it being a good sideboard card against them, and as supply gets bought up, more people who are sitting on the sidelines will also jump in and grab them in fear of missing out if the supply does reach critical mass and the card value spikes (as it did in this case).
Prices were stagnant or trending down on most of the format staples in fear of a reprint for most of 2016, it wasn't simply the month prior to MM. Reason being is that they likely had saturated the market at the price they were at, and didn't have further room to grow along with all the "uncertainty" surrounding modern. It makes sense however that in the month or two prior to MM that things went down slightly, as people like you were offloading cards that would lose value on reprinting. Almost like an on-sale sort of deal, lose 5-10% now to get it sold, vs 30-50% if it's a rare in the next set.
I'm not sure I buy into cheerios causing the spike on chalice, as it's kind of a joke deck from my understanding and was largely unproven. If it were a top tier deck that was suddenly destroying the meta, then maaaaybe it would spike $20 in a day, regardless of it potentially being reprinted, but even that seems unlikely. That type of spike is almost always the result of speculation, or a new deck that was discovered that uses the card in question. Chalice was a format staple that most serious modern players already had a set of, so that type of spike outside of a "buyout" seems highly unlikely imo. To be fair, chalice had been steadily increasing for a few months before the spike, which also bucks the trend on most of the modern staples through that period. It may very well have been a slow buyout done over time.
Does anyone else find it slightly disheartening that as soon as the card list for MM3 was known, the expensive cards that didn't get a reprint immediately jump in price, some by as much as 30-50%? I get it, people like to make money, but it almost negates the purpose of MM sets. Where prices go down, you have other staples rise up sharply. Your net gain expense wise to get into the format is almost non-existent. The fetches help overall though, so I'm glad those got a reprint being the foundation to the format. All other format staples that didn't get a reprint... wow. Also, Chalice of the void just REEKS of insider trading. MM set a month away, and the price spikes nearly 50%? Hmm.
Either way, drafts are going to be so fun with MM3 - can't wait.
It will be interesting to see if Goldfish does another price analysis after release similar to the link above, but MM17 definitely has more hits than not, when compared to MM15.
I can say personally though, I'm not exactly sad if people choose not to buy into Karn, Chalice, Bridge, and Breach decks because the cost of those cards....
Wow, that's a very interesting article. I think the fetches will be huge in this case since most decks are affected by them. I hope that is not the case again, as someone who is on the edge of getting into modern. Then again, I hear blue is pretty bad overall, so may not even enjoy the format.
Does anyone else find it slightly disheartening that as soon as the card list for MM3 was known, the expensive cards that didn't get a reprint immediately jump in price, some by as much as 30-50%? I get it, people like to make money, but it almost negates the purpose of MM sets. Where prices go down, you have other staples rise up sharply. Your net gain expense wise to get into the format is almost non-existent. The fetches help overall though, so I'm glad those got a reprint being the foundation to the format. All other format staples that didn't get a reprint... wow. Also, Chalice of the void just REEKS of insider trading. MM set a month away, and the price spikes nearly 50%? Hmm.
Either way, drafts are going to be so fun with MM3 - can't wait.
It's interesting how that has turned around. It was almost always who was going to win the AFC, and then the superbowl. The gap seems to have closed the last few years.
Wait, how does Commit answer Sphinx exactly?
Erm. Are you serious? When wizards pushes out reprints, and the format in turn gets MORE expensive, it's terrible for the players, and the format in general. You call it a "market" but a market like this didn't exist 10 years ago. Speculation was much much less significant. It stands to reason that the bigger it got that this was inevitably the result, but this sort of purposeful price spiking is only good for the speculators that won. It increases the barrier for new blood to enter, and it doesn't help the players unless they suddenly decide to quit and liquidize their collection. Magic is going up and up and up in price. What goes up, must come down, and for very obvious reasons in this case.
Pretty snarky, but the fact that you said that leads me to believe you don't know enough about "basic economics". Carry on.
Prices were stagnant or trending down on most of the format staples in fear of a reprint for most of 2016, it wasn't simply the month prior to MM. Reason being is that they likely had saturated the market at the price they were at, and didn't have further room to grow along with all the "uncertainty" surrounding modern. It makes sense however that in the month or two prior to MM that things went down slightly, as people like you were offloading cards that would lose value on reprinting. Almost like an on-sale sort of deal, lose 5-10% now to get it sold, vs 30-50% if it's a rare in the next set.
I'm not sure I buy into cheerios causing the spike on chalice, as it's kind of a joke deck from my understanding and was largely unproven. If it were a top tier deck that was suddenly destroying the meta, then maaaaybe it would spike $20 in a day, regardless of it potentially being reprinted, but even that seems unlikely. That type of spike is almost always the result of speculation, or a new deck that was discovered that uses the card in question. Chalice was a format staple that most serious modern players already had a set of, so that type of spike outside of a "buyout" seems highly unlikely imo. To be fair, chalice had been steadily increasing for a few months before the spike, which also bucks the trend on most of the modern staples through that period. It may very well have been a slow buyout done over time.
Wow, that's a very interesting article. I think the fetches will be huge in this case since most decks are affected by them. I hope that is not the case again, as someone who is on the edge of getting into modern. Then again, I hear blue is pretty bad overall, so may not even enjoy the format.
Either way, drafts are going to be so fun with MM3 - can't wait.
QB Kirk Cousins
RB LeSean McCoy
RB Ryan Mathews
WR Vincent Jackson
WR Antonio Brown
TE Charles Clay
OP Ryan Fitzpatrick
DST Rams
K Justin Tucker
Good Luck!