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Treasure Cruisin' - Manaless Dredge
  • posted a message on [Primer] RG Ponza / Modern Land Destruction
    Quote from Weakatchu »
    I talk about Huntmaster in every post here, I'm glad it finally shines Smile
    I used Thrun main board before, it felt wrong in some case, but godlike in spec matchups

    3 Stormbreaths, meh, stormbae is bae. This card is too good.
    I d prefer 3 Chandra ToD than 3 Stormbreath, but I could totally play 3 of both.

    Dropping Bonfire is very interesting, but those Birds, why?
    It feels way better without them, at least, for me, since I dropped them.

    For SB :
    Only kitchen finks seems meh, rest seems ok


    I'm still rocking the Huntmaster in my builds, but he's in that flex spot where I'll often rotate him out to try new threats. I'd be hard-pressed to drop below three copies of Stormbreath and I've found two Chandra ToD preferable to three. However, I'm still pro-birds; the early game ramp is just phenomenal and they eat our opponent's creature removal. The argument of BoP being a bad top-deck is valid, but you can make that argument for nearly any other Modern deck; it's risk vs reward and I don't think it's coincidence that birds show up in the vast majority of successful tourney lists.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Colt47 »
    This is one of the few times in a long while where if someone pre-ordered and bought in early, they got away with a lot of value when it comes to standard. Normally there is this huge race to the bottom with sellers trying to unload everything before the pack openings start flooding the market, but without those lotto cards prices just aren't crashing as fast. My guess is there was a large number of people just buying cases to get Masterpieces and dumping the rest onto the market, causing some weak prices. Now no one is dumping anything and players are just gobbling up every copy of any rare they need.


    Inflated pre-release prices were commonplace long before lottery cards were a thing. The biggest difference with Ixalan is that there's a ton of value cards at rare and the fact that it's just an overall solid set, so there are more opportunities for cards to increase in price while still having your typical share of cards with inflated pre-release prices tank post-release (e.g. Carnage Tyrant, Regisaur Alpha, Growing Rites of Itlimoc, etc). Buying cases and dumping singles into the secondary market is a business model and usually where stores, who sell online, make most of their profit; not much has changed in that regard.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Daeyel »
    Quote from Joban8 »

    Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure I remember seeing some sort of Modern/Legacy brew from MTGgoldfish that used a set of Idyllic Tutors. Since every card that dude touches spikes, I'd venture to guess that, being a Morningtide rare, Idyllic Tutor spiked and never returned to baseline.


    Leylines, a win fast or lose fast Legacy deck.


    Nailed it, that's what it was. Gracias, mi amigo.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from thatmarkguy »
    Quote from ashtonkutcher »
    Quote from The Fluff »
    Just wondering why The Scarab God is more than 40 dollars right now... is it because of Standard or a M odern deck is using it??
    On the MTGStocks page it will actually tell you which decks are playing the card and in which format. Scrolling down has got to be easier than making a post here and then waiting on responses. also google


    On that tip - what the hell is keeping Idyllic Tutor and Shared Animosity so high!? They’re not being used in ANYTHING, but their pricing is considerably higher than other not-being-played Shadowmoor-only rares.


    Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure I remember seeing some sort of Modern/Legacy brew from MTGgoldfish that used a set of Idyllic Tutors. Since every card that dude touches spikes, I'd venture to guess that, being a Morningtide rare, Idyllic Tutor spiked and never returned to baseline.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Standard. Specifically, 'Green Energy' decks.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from ErhnamDjinn »
    what the heck happened to shattering spree card needs a reprint.


    True that. It has been climbing since Eldrazi Winter, but it spiked once Baral storm decks started gaining traction.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from genini2 »
    Quote from Joban8 »
    Quote from rcwraspy »
    Well, since you hate Masters sets so much, at least this next one is the last.


    As in the last one for the first quarter of 2018? Hasbro is gonna have WotC churning out Masters sets like gangbusters so long as players keep paying $10 a pop on boosters. Since you hate clicking two pages back to read previous comments, you must've missed the part where I said it wouldn't be surprising to see WotC print the same amount of Masters/premium sets as Standard sets in a given fiscal year. Same production cost, less R&D, and all sold at a ~300% premium. Unless Hasbro shareholders start hating money, this won't be the last Masters set.

    As far as "hating" Masters sets, the only thing I hate is WotC insisting on marketing them as draft sets when the majority of players buy them for the reprints. If they're going to print a Modern premium set and mark it with a premium MSRP, then they should only include cards that see Modern play. If they want to print a set that's fun to draft, stick with Conspiracy and let players draft without paying an arm & leg just because ******* Tarmogoyf happens to be in the set. That's not to say that drafting those sets isn't an enjoyable experience, but it's time to call a spade a spade.


    Right, but making it a draft set lets them fill it with filler and make the excuse that it's for drafting purposes. Lets them drag out the process of making masters sets without crashing too many prices at once.


    You're absolutely correct; that's why I'd like them to drop the act already. I don't expect the next MM to be chock-full of value, but there are a ton of relatively cheap cards which could be included that are modern-playable and won't destabilize the market. Off the top of my head: Slippery Bogle, Gladecover Scout, Unified Will, Logic Knot,Shard Volley, a billionth Birds of Paradise reprint, etc. My whole gripe is that any player who cracks a pack of MM should walk away from the transaction with cards that are actually useful in the format, whether those cards have a high price tag or not. Instead, it's more like walking away with either one all-star Modern staple or a just a bunch of ***** that might be useful in EDH and maybe a Modern-playable uncommon. It all boils down to price; boxes already contain 12 less packs, so diluting the card pool with draft garbage makes for a glorified $10 lotto ticket. That methodology would be acceptable if the MSRP was akin to that of MM13, but for $10/pack there's no reason why cracking a pack should be boom or bust; if you don't pull one of those lotto cards, you should at least have 5-10 cards that could be used in some Modern archetype(s), even if they only see fringe play.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Collected Company Elves
    Quote from Larriepogi »
    A bit off-topic, do you think Growing Rites of Itlimoc is gonna go up? Thinking of letting the hype die down a bit before I buy into it.


    I'd wait a week or two for packs to get opened and cards to hit the secondary market before buying into anything at what are still basically pre-release prices. Especially for a card that's printed at rare.

    Update: First and only Ixalan pack I cracked had a foil & Growing Rites of Itlimoc. I never crack packs like I used to, but anytime a new set comes out, I always buy one for nostalgia sake. This is one of the rare instances where I actually cracked something useful lol.



    Quote from purklefluff »
    Quote from Charlesx1337 »
    What's your list purkle?


    of course, here it is:



    it's fast. *really* fast. There are some hitches i'm trying to work around though, namely a greater weakness to quick sweepers. I've like running counters in the board as a way to tempo through sweepers and for the most part it's been fine.

    I'd really like some way to fit a 5th lord (elvish champion) in the maindeck. I feel like the deck really needs it, but I can't see going to 17 lands, feels really rough.


    Thanks for posting your list; good to see someone else playing around with blue. Have you tried/thought of running [card]Nissa,
    Steward of Elements[/card] ? I bought a play set sometime after Amonkhet's release with intentions to make her work in a Sulai Elves build, but haven't had the time to do much brewing as of late.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from rcwraspy »
    Well, since you hate Masters sets so much, at least this next one is the last.


    As in the last one for the first quarter of 2018? Hasbro is gonna have WotC churning out Masters sets like gangbusters so long as players keep paying $10 a pop on boosters. Since you hate clicking two pages back to read previous comments, you must've missed the part where I said it wouldn't be surprising to see WotC print the same amount of Masters/premium sets as Standard sets in a given fiscal year. Same production cost, less R&D, and all sold at a ~300% premium. Unless Hasbro shareholders start hating money, this won't be the last Masters set.

    As far as "hating" Masters sets, the only thing I hate is WotC insisting on marketing them as draft sets when the majority of players buy them for the reprints. If they're going to print a Modern premium set and mark it with a premium MSRP, then they should only include cards that see Modern play. If they want to print a set that's fun to draft, stick with Conspiracy and let players draft without paying an arm & leg just because ******* Tarmogoyf happens to be in the set. That's not to say that drafting those sets isn't an enjoyable experience, but it's time to call a spade a spade.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] RG Ponza / Modern Land Destruction


    I beat boggles today. t2 moon really reks them. Love outhating the hate


    You're not kidding. I was piloting Bogles a few weeks ago and got absolutely massacred by another Ponza player; I knew exactly what was coming, but was helpless to stop it haha.


    Quote from ovle »
    guys, isn't maindeck split between moon and trinisphere will be better than 4 moons in main? there are so many many agro and combo decks in my meta, including some number of burn and affinity. and even when the moon is good, the second and so on are redundant after installing first one.


    A resolved Blood Moon is an easy game 1 win in a number of different match-ups. Like with almost any win-con, the redundancy is necessary in order to ensure we draw it in the first place. Assuming a 60 card deck running a playset of Blood Moon and an opening hand of seven cards, we have a ~40% chance of drawing it in our opening hand. If we dilute that number to two mainboard copies, we're looking at a ~22% chance of it appearing in our opening hand.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] RG Ponza / Modern Land Destruction
    Quote from driver1676 »
    99% of the time you use the same 2 modes. Find a threat, gain life. The life you gain makes up for the fact you're doing nothing that turn.

    Or, you could just play threats in that slot.


    Gain life? I always put a land on top which takes away their next draw.


    ^This. Primal Commandgives us a ton of options depending on the situation. I don't see myself playing more than two main anytime soon, but to say the card's sole purpose is to find a threat & gain life is a bit off-base.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from thatmarkguy »
    With masters 25 trying to print cards from every year of magic, won’t this make the set unlikely to go heavy on any mechanic (because that would cause an undue weight of cards from that mechanic’s year) - isn’t this exactly the most suitable reprint set to touch on little- used mechanics because every mechanic in this set will not have many cards?

    The MM series has a tendency to load up on mechanics to coincide with the newest eligible reprint blocks - the first set with innistrad and rtr block cards had flashback and miracle and bloodrush and overload... but since 25 is going to be so scattershot anyway there’s no better time to touch on those mechanics that don’t get much attention in reprint sets - because here, everything will be already thin to cover the 25 years.


    There's no rhyme or reason to these masters sets aside from profitability. Iconic Masters has some killer modern reprints, but falls short in the "Iconic" category. I expect MM25 to essentially be an Iconic Masters Part 2; slapping the 'Masters' label on a set sells packs and given how close together the releases are, I'd be surprised if during development IM & MM25 weren't a single set that got broken in two in order to distribute value and maximize profit.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Seymour_TUBES »
    Quote from Davidalb »
    I really hope chalice, karn, lilis, bobs and goyfs get printed in this masters set.
    Specially chalices and karn.
    Soooo I don't know if you're being serious and/or talking about Iconic Masters, but...

    Just in case it's both: there's already been a full spoiler and none of those cards are in the set. I would expect both Chalice and Karn in Masters 25 next year, but that's just me.


    I figured they were referring to Master 25. If Karn/Chalice don't see reprints in that set, copies will easily surpass $100/pop; I would imagine that WotC is aware of this as well, so I'm banking on those two being shoe-in inclusions along with Noble Hierarch
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    I have all 4 glisteners in the sideboard. Second game I have to draw them. I know it's super risky but it's been worth it so far. Playing bogles is usually a suprise in a lot of comps and mixing that in with infect and your really getting an edge with mind games.


    I bet. I'm looking forward to playing with the glisteners again; I think I'm going to start with three in the side. When you get a minute, do you mind posting your SB?
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from thatmarkguy »
    It's getting reprinted, and the only reason it was so high was because of incredibly limited supply, not especially prevalent use. If it settles above $3 I'll be surprised.

    The only two uncommons from mm17 to settle above $3 are both in the top 10 most used spells in modern (Path and IoK). Bauble is around the 150th most used spell in modern.


    Bingo. Much like how Horizon Canopy subsequently climbed up in price following each new Masters set, Bauble's value is nearly all attributed to a limited supply and price gouging; it was a $3 card prior to MM15 and then an $8 card until it spiked in response to Suicide Zoo's success. Unless for some odd reason Bauble starts being played in multiple new archetypes, it'll barely miss being tossed into bulk bins once IM is released. By the same token, I expect the value of cards like Chalice of the Void & Gaddock Teeg to skyrocket overnight if we find that they won't be reprinted in the Masters 25 set.
    Posted in: Modern
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