Went with pile B. I already had a foil signed Jitte from kamigawa so it made sense to add the other heavyweight foil. I traded a blue EDH deck for the 8 cards. Total value of my EDH was 400 while pile B was 340 but i still came out way ahead since it's hard to try to sell a whole deck and probably wouldn't even get 30@ for it. Pimping out Kaalia ATM.
Game 1- was able to stall long enough using Jace, Vryns Prodigy,Snaps and removal. Game took 38 minutes and I was able to swing lethal with Young Pyromancer tokens and colonnades.
Game 2- Draw but I had Elspeth Suns champion out.
Round 2-Robots 0-2
Game 1-her deck raced out against me, bounced some things back but misplayed on turn 6 running cryptic command counter/draw instead of tapping down her attackers. In which she swing for lethal. Dumb move.
Game 2-she dropped blood moon on turn two and all I was laying down at the time was shocklands.Game over.
Round 3 Collected Chord 1-0-1
Game 1-I was able to burn exile most of his things.Flipping Jace and controlling the board. Snaps and Colanades finished him off. Game took 35 min.
Game 2-He quickly removed Jace multiple times. Ojutais Command put me back in the game. after time he had great board position but couldn't finish me off by turn 5. Game ended in draw.
Round 4 Zoo 1-2
This game was a fight for 4th place.
Game 1-Burned his creatures then blasted him with my man lands. Game took 20 min.
Game 2-He went first but had to mulligan down to 5. I had 3 lands in hand but ended up drawing 5 straight lands even after fetch/shuffle. Killed me with birds/Nacatle and atarkas command.
Game 3-By turn 2 he had 2 vexing Devils/and Wild Nacatle Hit time but he was able to get me. Was really fishing for board wipes like Anger of the gods, but they were all at the bottom.
Final record 3-4-2 Unfortunatly the draws really tanked my score. Finished 8th out of 10. Yet if I was able to beat zoo I would be no lower than 4th.
Jace Vryns Prodigy is definitely a favorite of mine being a Looter then an absolute tank when he flips. Only ran 1 Young Pyromancer but will put get 2 more along with 1 more Jace to make it three each. Will switch 4 pillarswith magma sprays. Overall I am disappointed with the standings but I had a great time and really enjoyed playing my deck.
My UW control deck is having a huge problems against Podless Melira. I have played against it 5 times going 1-4. Only win was when baby Jace got his ult off.
I went through the last 14 decks posted in this thread and checked how many creatures and how many counters they run mainboard. I've done this to get a basic idea on how the decks are built and to compare with my own lists in experimental deck creation:
Creature / Counter
1x 9 / 9
1x 12 / 8
1x 12 / 9
1x 13 / 8
2x 14 / 10
1x 15 / 8
2x 15 / 9
1x 16 / 9
2x 17 / 8
2x 17 / 7
Counting Remand and Dispel as counters.
Lands always 25 or 26.
I have a question about the mana base, specifically Seachrome Coast vs Glacial Fortress. Which is better, or what is the reason Seachrome coast is disappearing from the lists in recent times?
The upcoming weekend I have a small tournament with some friends for a couple of boosters. I plan on playing this list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-11-15-Oyo-uw-control/
I'm expecting: Merfolk, Tron, Monowhite hatebears and Affinity. Any hints are appreciated. The tournament with sideboarding choices is really helping and nice to read :).
I'll post my experiences after I played.
Glacial always. With Hallowed Fountain and now Prairie Stream out, I never have a problem getting Glacial Fortress on the battle field. I run 4 and unless I have 2 in my opening hand, it always works out for me.
Just won a game last night with baby Jace. Opponent went infinite on life and power on his creatures playing Melira pod.Next turn,I play and wipe the board with Elspeth SC while having a flipped Jace in play. Controlled the board until I hit his ultimate slowly milling my opponent to death. A very long, but very fun game.
Just finished making my deck UW control with Planeswalker love. Tested it out quite a bit against burn,Zoo, and Tron. Weak against Infect, heavy creature burn, and Grixis Control. Tell me what you think?
While I like Planeswalkers as finishers, I don't think you need 2 copies of each of them (specially Elspeth with her high CMC). You usually don't want to see many of them too early and you can't always tapout to play them.
Also, 4 copies of Cryptic Command and 4 more copies of Ojutai's Command it's probably too much for the deck too.
Maybe you could cut some copies of those cards and add more early answers for those decks you're having trouble with. You probably want those 2 copies (maybe even 3) of Supreme Verdict in your maindeck
Repeal and Gigadrowse are great early game. Will take out 1 Ojutai's Command and Elspeth but, should I switch them with another baby Jace? Or put in another Geist of Saint Taft. Also could Monastery Mentor be a thing with UW control? Or is it too much risk?
I believe both baby Jace and Monastery Mentor are great in decks with proactive spells. So the question I'd ask is "How many spells would you like to cast on your own turn?". I understand most of your spells are reactive, rather than proactive (though cards like the Commands could be casted on your turn, you probably don't want to tapout for them).
You could focus on the Tempo plan and then take advantage from Repeal and Gigadrowse that work nice with Monsatery Mentor and Geist. Note that this would be a completely different build than most lists you've seen in the topic. It would play more like an URx Delver.
Anyway, I would definetly add a 4th Path to Exile.
Pact of Negation could probably be another counter. I know it feels supergreat to see the face of the opponent when you use it (caus no one expects it in this deck), but often you will wish it was just a regular less than 5CMC counter.
Will test it out tomorrow again with friends. Took out 1 Elspeth and 1 Ojutai and put in 2 wall of omens. Took pact out and slid in a 4th path.
Your right about mine being more reactive. I play on opponents turn so Mentor would be unless. I would need to completely rebuild my deck to make it work. As far as baby Jace goes. Oh my God is that card a tank. A friend pushed me to run it so I reluctantly took it in. Played friday and was able to proact sphinx's rev. For 4 putting me way ahead after I had cleared the board few times. Even if he doesnt flip, he is a huge target and spells will exhaust on him quickly buying me more time.All three times I have gotten him out I have not been disappointed.
Just finished making my deck UW control with Planeswalker love. Tested it out quite a bit against burn,Zoo, and Tron. Weak against Infect, heavy creature burn, and Grixis Control. Tell me what you think?
While I like Planeswalkers as finishers, I don't think you need 2 copies of each of them (specially Elspeth with her high CMC). You usually don't want to see many of them too early and you can't always tapout to play them.
Also, 4 copies of Cryptic Command and 4 more copies of Ojutai's Command it's probably too much for the deck too.
Maybe you could cut some copies of those cards and add more early answers for those decks you're having trouble with. You probably want those 2 copies (maybe even 3) of Supreme Verdict in your maindeck
Repeal and Gigadrowse are great early game. Will take out 1 Ojutai's Command and Elspeth but, should I switch them with another baby Jace? Or put in another Geist of Saint Taft. Also could Monastery Mentor be a thing with UW control? Or is it too much risk?
Just finished making my deck UW control with Planeswalker love. Tested it out quite a bit against burn,Zoo, and Tron. Weak against Infect, heavy creature burn, and Grixis Control. Tell me what you think?
Absolutely gorgeous!!!
True name nemisis
Prerelease Spanish Jace, vryns prodigy
Foil Tamiyo the moon sage
Snapcaster Mage
Cryptic command
Foil Nykthos, shrine to nyx
Mystic confluence
Minds eye
Foil magistrate Sphinx
(FTV) senseis divining top
B:
(EXP) godless shrine
(EXP) marsh flats
Foil senseis divining top (kamigawa)
Foil Sorin, solem visiter
3 Foil BFZ full art swamps
Foil ashen rider
Warning for Soliciting
-Luffy
4 Young Pyromancer
3 Jace, Vrynns Prodigy
4 Snapcaster Mage
Spells
2 Sphinx's Revelation
2 Ojutai's command
4 Cryptic Command
4 Path to Exile
3 Lightning bolt
3 Magma Spray
2 Electrolyze
2 Remand
2 Mana leak
1 Lightning Helix
4 Flooded Strand
2 Arid Mesa
4 Hallowed Fountain
2 Steam Vents
1 Sacred Foundry
4 Celestial Colonnade
2 Glacial Fortress
1 Sulfur Falls
1 clifftop retreat
2 Mountain
2 Island
1 Demystify
2 Supreme verdict
2 Anger of the gods
3 Dispel
1 Gideon Ally of Zendikar
3 Brutal expulsion
2 Negate
1 Spell Pierce
Game 1- was able to stall long enough using Jace, Vryns Prodigy,Snaps and removal. Game took 38 minutes and I was able to swing lethal with Young Pyromancer tokens and colonnades.
Game 2- Draw but I had Elspeth Suns champion out.
Round 2-Robots 0-2
Game 1-her deck raced out against me, bounced some things back but misplayed on turn 6 running cryptic command counter/draw instead of tapping down her attackers. In which she swing for lethal. Dumb move.
Game 2-she dropped blood moon on turn two and all I was laying down at the time was shocklands.Game over.
Round 3 Collected Chord 1-0-1
Game 1-I was able to burn exile most of his things.Flipping Jace and controlling the board. Snaps and Colanades finished him off. Game took 35 min.
Game 2-He quickly removed Jace multiple times. Ojutais Command put me back in the game. after time he had great board position but couldn't finish me off by turn 5. Game ended in draw.
Round 4 Zoo 1-2
This game was a fight for 4th place.
Game 1-Burned his creatures then blasted him with my man lands. Game took 20 min.
Game 2-He went first but had to mulligan down to 5. I had 3 lands in hand but ended up drawing 5 straight lands even after fetch/shuffle. Killed me with birds/Nacatle and atarkas command.
Game 3-By turn 2 he had 2 vexing Devils/and Wild Nacatle Hit time but he was able to get me. Was really fishing for board wipes like Anger of the gods, but they were all at the bottom.
Final record 3-4-2 Unfortunatly the draws really tanked my score. Finished 8th out of 10. Yet if I was able to beat zoo I would be no lower than 4th.
Jace Vryns Prodigy is definitely a favorite of mine being a Looter then an absolute tank when he flips. Only ran 1 Young Pyromancer but will put get 2 more along with 1 more Jace to make it three each. Will switch 4 pillarswith magma sprays. Overall I am disappointed with the standings but I had a great time and really enjoyed playing my deck.
Glacial always. With Hallowed Fountain and now Prairie Stream out, I never have a problem getting Glacial Fortress on the battle field. I run 4 and unless I have 2 in my opening hand, it always works out for me.
Will test it out tomorrow again with friends. Took out 1 Elspeth and 1 Ojutai and put in 2 wall of omens. Took pact out and slid in a 4th path.
Your right about mine being more reactive. I play on opponents turn so Mentor would be unless. I would need to completely rebuild my deck to make it work. As far as baby Jace goes. Oh my God is that card a tank. A friend pushed me to run it so I reluctantly took it in. Played friday and was able to proact sphinx's rev. For 4 putting me way ahead after I had cleared the board few times. Even if he doesnt flip, he is a huge target and spells will exhaust on him quickly buying me more time.All three times I have gotten him out I have not been disappointed.
Thanks for the advice!
Repeal and Gigadrowse are great early game. Will take out 1 Ojutai's Command and Elspeth but, should I switch them with another baby Jace? Or put in another Geist of Saint Taft. Also could Monastery Mentor be a thing with UW control? Or is it too much risk?
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