4/17/2014 8:04:08 PM
Welcome back to the forums, my fellow metal fan. Good to see you around again! And hell yeah, Pringles. We are getting the band back together! \m/Posted in: Cube Lists
4/15/2014 6:17:06 AM
Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from NiphredIs the card good enough to justify skipping a 3-drop threat? I don't think so.
While it's not on a guaranteed body, I don't think it's exactly skipping your 3-drop threat either. White and black are both full of cards with multiple mana symbols in their cost. I don't think it will be very hard to activate devotion on this guy and turn him into a monster. Obviously I don't know that for sure and he may play differently, but on paper it seems like a fairly easy task.
4/14/2014 7:32:45 PM
Man, this set is full of cube cards that aren't obvious ins and need to be tested. As a proponent of Sui Black since 1998, this card is right up my alley. I don't know if the card disadvantage will be worth it, but at face value he seems pretty frickin' good. I do wish he wasn't an enchantment, but even as is, I think he's at least ok.Posted in: New Card Discussion
4/14/2014 7:23:10 PM
The more I think about this guy, the more I'm up for giving him a shot. I think he fits nicely into the red aggro decks as well. He hits for two, he carries equipment well, and he gives you some extra gas to keep the pressure on. He definitely deserves a test, especially in medium to larger cubes.Posted in: New Card Discussion
4/14/2014 7:13:41 PM
Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from RJRellikNeither effect is negligible, and though your getting the worst effect, it isn't a one time deal like most other punsiher cards. With the current black suite you could easily make a deck that takes advantage of this card to get value out of plays constantly. Instead of thinking about it as a card that you get the worst effect out of, think of it as a card that gives you value every time your creatures die.
This is exactly why I think the card deserves testing and is better than your average run of the mill one shot punisher card. It adds value to something that happens naturally in game play while being aggressively priced and having the potential of becoming a 5/4 indestructible beat stick at some point in the game. Again, it's not the best card Orzhov has to offer, but I think it's a far cry from "garbage".
4/13/2014 7:15:44 PM
I'm not saying you shouldn't voice your opinion. It's just frustrating. I think people with larger multicolor sections should at least be considering this card for testing, but unfortunately not everyone's opinion goes as far around here as yours. That's not your fault and not a strike against you, it's just the way of the world on MTGS. You speak and people listen. I just think this card is deserving of a more open mind than just outright saying it's garbage, that's all.Posted in: New Card Discussion
Apparently I missed the post where Pox decks were recommended. I thought your Pox post was just a thought you had and wanted to voice.
I feel like I am looking at the card objectively. I've been cubing long enough to know how many games are decided by creatures. Creatures die in combat. Creatures die to spells. Creatures die to sacrifice effects. I don't think it's so out there to think that in a seven turn game where this guy lands on turn three, that you'll get three or more triggers from him. I'm completely ok with adding this choice to every creature death.
This cards seems like the epitome of a card that needs to be tested before you can really know how it's going to play.
4/13/2014 4:40:02 PM
Because of the influence you have on this community, it saddens me when you think a card like this is "garbage". It's not garbage. It may not be amazing, but it's worth testing in larger multicolor sections. So Pox decks with tokens and creatures that come back anyway don't really benefit from this card. Ok, so? Not every BW deck is a Pox deck, and not every BW card has to be good in every BW deck. Sometimes your BW deck is just early aggro beaters. Those are the decks where I'd be happy to try this guy out.Posted in: New Card Discussion
4/13/2014 4:28:40 PM
I think wtwlf's right about what to cut for this one. Just cut an artifact that's not amazing. I'm thinking my cut for this will be Guardian Idol or maybe even Crystal Ball.Posted in: New Card Discussion
4/13/2014 4:24:27 PM
Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from wtwlf123You won't get the bodies back when it's relevant, and you won't get the reach when they're low on life.
I think this is the point that you're missing. An opponent who is low on life against this card is in a terrible position no matter what choice he makes. An opponent low on life wants to use combat damage and removal spells to pull out of it and run you out of gas. This guy prevents that from happening. That's what you want from cards that force your opponent to make a choice. You want there to basically be no choice at all. This guy will eventually put your opponent in that position. Vexing Devil, however, is a perfect example of a bad punisher card. Your 1cc guys need to come out early to be good. In the early game Vexing Devil is basically just a Lava Spike. In the late game, when they can't afford to take the four, then any of the good 1cc creatures would probably suffice. The biggest difference with Athreos, I think, is the fact that he stays on the board pretty much indefinitely. He constantly screws up combat math and removal decisions for your opponent. And he poses the threat of eventually becoming an unkillable 5/4 beater as well.
Again, no one is saying this is the card that busts Orzhov wide open. We're just saying it's not garbage and cubes with larger multicolor sections could easily sub him in for a decent middle of the road Orzhov card like Gerrard's Verdict or something. No one is cutting Vindicate or Lingering Souls for this guy and no one is claiming that he's gonna be a 360 staple. The bottom line is that we don't know how he's gonna play. You may be 100% correct. The effect here may basically always do nothing and ultimately be an irrelevant card that ends up sitting in sideboards. My cube is big enough, however, that I have the luxury of being able to fairly easily find room to test a card like this.
4/13/2014 1:06:16 PM
I'd much rather have Athreos in my BW aggro decks that Promise of Bunrei. Both options on the god are more appealing to me than replacing my guys with non evasive 1/1s. Not to mention that Promise is a one and done effect. Ahtreos not only makes my opponent's Wrath effects awkward, but it makes combat and one shot removal spells a little awkward as well.Posted in: New Card Discussion
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