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Jun 1, 2015I'm guess you guys are just going through whoever's cube you're using that week and pulling out 15 cards at random. I would recommend either doing that before hand so the pack is ready to go or using CubeTutor to create a sample pack and rattling off the cards from that. It might also be a fun exercise to do CAP's from other people's cubes using CubeTutor.Posted in: Articles, Podcasts and Guides
Jun 1, 2015While I can see the point of view (I did not rank a card that's strictly better than a card I did rank and I left it off for flavor reasons, not power reasons), the ranking metric is P1P1, not power. "What would you take P1P1?" and "What is more powerful?" are similar questions that can have wildly different answers depending on who you ask. Is City of Ass more powerful than Grand Coliseum? Yes. Would I ever take it P1P1? No.Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
While we're on the subject of the voting metric, I'll add that, while I do try to pick my lands highly, the likelihood that I take a non-Library land P1P1 is very slim. Slots 1-4 on my list have a much higher chance of being my actual P1P1 than anything below them. Because of this, I feel like the land top twenty is probably the least relevant of them all. I'm only ever taking Mana Confluence as my first pick if the rest of the pack is full of tier 2 support cards.
With all this said, and because this came up at all, I really hope that next year's vote excludes these types of cards from the "normal" rankings and gives them their own vote. This way the people who vote similar to me and leave these cards off for whatever reason can just choose not to participate in the Un vote. The results aren't skewed in any way and the people who wish to play those cards have a more accurate metric to go by when judging their power level.
Quote from LucidVision »You do have a point. I looked through the initial post and at no point did it say to vote on cards that you should pick if you wanted to win.
I thought it was implied, but implications maybe aren't strong enough in what's often percieved as a casual format.
If your criteria for evaluating P1P1 cards is independent of winning or good logic, then eh, exclude mana crypt all you want
I'm honestly not sure how to respond to "guess you don't like winning" statements referring to my opinion on cards or my top 20 votes.
May 31, 2015Grand Coliseum doesn't normally deal enough damage during the course of the game to compare it to the damage output of Mana Crypt. I'm basing that vote off of real world experiences for both cards. As far as the City of Ass vote is concerned, I'm happy to exclude my vote from the final ranking if everyone feels that my personal opinion of Un cards somehow skews the final result in a negative way.Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
May 31, 2015I think Command, Cackler, and Dreadbore are easily the three 360 staples for Rakdos. A solid aggro guy and two really good utility spells. This is exactly what decks that normally play these colors want. The next three can be shifted around as you see fit. I'm currently running Grenzo and Redcap as numbers four and five, but I can see Grenzo getting the axe for Aristocrat.Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
May 31, 2015I thought the idea was to vote the way we would pick cards at P1P1? Given the option, I would never take City of Ass (or any Un cards) that early and if I took a land at P1P1 I would absolutely take all 20 of the choices from my list over it. I don't think that's skewing the vote in a negative way. I also didn't vote for Mana Crypt in my colorless vote. I did that because I don't take that card P1P1. It's fine, but it's killed me or put me in range for death enough times to give it a stigma. Everyone has a right to vote the way they see fit. It doesn't skew the data, it is the data.Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
May 31, 2015Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
True, but the 1/2 mana makes the card feel ridiculous. Also, it's called City of Ass and has butt cheeks all over it. To be completely honest, I really dislike Unglued and Unhinged cards and the way they play. The basics are sweet, but everything else in those sets is a total miss for me and what I want to be doing while playing Magic. I wouldn't pass the card because it's not good enough, I'd pass it because I just don't want to play with it.
May 31, 2015Posted in: The Cube ForumQuote from wtwlf123 »An Elmer? Something to do with the buck I suppose?
It's something I've picked up from watching Marshall Sutcliffe draft videos. The Elk will forever be Elmers to me now.
May 30, 2015Chained to the Rocks was a fine card for us, but ultimately ended up being a little too cute. The flavor is awesome, but the effect just wasn't necessary. With all the burn and white removal spells, our Boros decks just didn't need it. I'd rather have something like Boros Reckoner in that number 5 slot.Posted in: Cube Lists
May 30, 2015I didn't vote for City of Ass at all, while I did vote for Paliano. I do understand the upside of City of Ass when it can be abused with something like Garruk or similar effects to be able to get three mana out of it, but I just don't like this type of card. If I saw it in a draft, I doubt I'd take it very highly and I'd certainly never take it P1P1. With Paliano, I could see it going somewhere in the first eight picks. I doubt I'd ever take it P1P1, but at least at that stage you can try to craft your deck around the named colors.Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
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