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    posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    Crabs are not a bad include for G3. In fact, they can make you nigh unbeatable.

    After G1, you can start a comment while sideboarding. They may initiate asking where all your creatures are. Or you can comment on all their removal. Tell 'em you don't run any critters if they ask. Watch their deck in G2. If they boarded out their removal, you are going to absolutely nail them to the wall in G3 with the Crabs. It's definitely worth mulliganing for. You have to play the long game and set them up a little.

    The risk here is that the proper sideboard against Mill is often to throw the sideboard into the deck - 75 is harder to mill than 60, even if their deck is more inconsistent.

    Remand has seen better days. I don't care for them, it was a Twin specialty, since Twin left their mana open due to flash. 4 is awfully expensive, when 1 or 2 will do with Dispel or Negate. Creatures are not a worry, that's what Ensnaring Bridge is for.

    Experimentation is good. Edison had to find 10K ways to not light a bulb. The answer is very close. It may even be a left field answer like Spy Network (not Modern legal) or See Beyond or even Index. Something that sets up our draws. Halimar Depths, anyone?
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Fluff, buy the Ramunaps.

    Goyf is going to be far more stable over the next month than Ramunap will be. If you need them, lock into them now, before the price jumps. You can always save and get the goyfs a month later. That might not be the case for the Rams.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    A new format drives interest, It does not compete with Modern, it supplements it. Modern players will make decks for the new format. People will be encouraged, 'Is Modern too expensive? Did you miss the join-in when it was cheap? Here's your chance to get in on the ground floor of a new format!'

    Modern is large. It's a lot to learn and remember. It is expensive if you want multiple decks. People will enjoy a format that is far smaller, and not as intensive to learn.

    And it keeps things fresh. It will come, like it or not.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Smart players will begin picking up these staples now. Current Standard players who complain about the price of Modern would do well to hang onto their cards. Those who do, will be set for the new format, whatever and whenever it is.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Frontier was a shot across Wizards bow. And they are responding, each set has staples for a new format. It may be a few years, be eventually, Wizards will be announcing a new format. I'd imagine they have at least one person on it already, as far as designating what cards they want from Modern into the format, and then re-arranging the costs. Relic of Progenitus becoming Crook of Condemnation is a prime example.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    These Expeditions/Masterpieces/Invocations are the new Judge foils. Long term, their value to collectors will rise. For blingers - those EDH players who use the most expensive version they can find, and so on, will continue to be in demand.

    They make a great repository for your money, and clearly someone else thinks so, as they sink heavy money into amassing multiples.
    The market is hard to predict with all the swings, but regardless of the price you buy in at, I highly doubt you will regret it in 5 years, which is a small window for investments.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Interesting that for all of the talk of Goyf being dead, all 4 printings were up between $6 and $15 today.

    Good cards remain good cards, it seems. Fatal Push drastically changed the face of Modern, yes, but they have to have the card in their deck, and they have to have the card in hand. Otherwise, 'Push beats Goyf' is just theory, meanwhile Blossoming Defense and Heroic Intervention are in Goyf's colors.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    Chalice of the Void - maybe the most expensive card in magic?

    I expect it will be reprinted in one of the THREE masters sets releasing in the next year.

    How does your mill deck handle Chalice on 1 and 2?
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Attune with Aether is another, but they get basics. Evolving Wilds does that, and puts it into play. Sylvan Scrying will get any land.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    (Note to Moderators and readers - I realize this is not strictly a discussion of Modern card prices, but at the same time, these cards are modern and standard legal. I understand if this is moved, but note this is NOT a discussion about Frontier.)

    I'd like to discuss a new format that is looming. As I've seen new sets roll out with the hologram, I'm becoming aware of format staples being printed under new names and with new costs. I am watching the groundwork be laid out for a brand new format, and precautions taken to ensure certain elements remain under control. This format will likely supplement Modern. In my estimation, we are in the final year or two of Modern as a format. Modern Masters was a beautiful way to monetize the demand before letting it go the way of Legacy (yet Legacy seems to be getting more popular, as people realize you can build decent decks without dual lands)

    I'm not going to go into an exhaustive list, but, for instance, we do know MaRo is adamantly opposed to fetchlands in any new format replacing Modern. As such, a new format will not be able to grab the named dual lands currently in Modern. I do not expect any card to be able to do that on the level of current fetchlands. I could see a card released in coming years that searches for a specific basic such as 'search your library for a Plains', as have been printed in the past. This will not occur until the BFZ cycle rotates out, obviously. But will it wait until the Kaladesh cycle rotate? If such a card is released, their playability in a new format is greatly enhanced.

    Meanwhile, the only real fetchland in the current crop of sets that we accept as being eligible for a new format, be it Khans of Tarkir or Origins, is Sylvan Scrying. In a new format, as the only non-basic land tutor this card could easily see a sharp spike upwards. Likewise for other format staple replacements like Transgress the Mind ( IOK/Thoughtseize), Vessel of Nascency, Attune with Aether, and a host of others.

    My father has a test on investing: "If I put $X on the ground and walked away, would it hurt me?" If the answer was no, he could invest.

    With cards like Sylvan Scrying, Crook of Condemnation, Immolating Glare that would quickly become format staples it might not be a bad investment to sink $25 into getting ~100 them, in the hopes that in a few years, they become a huge demand item, with the attendant spike. If they do not, you haven't lost much. The trick is figuring out which currently cheap cards will be these staples.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    A new primer needs to cover Esper and UG/BUG mill as well.

    The major problem with a primer is that everyone has different preferences. For example, I'm very big on the mill/extract plan to destroy their ability to achieve their goals. Others want the extraction in the sideboard. I'm also a big fan of Ensnaring Bridge. I don't like Fraying Sanity, others think it's the missing piece we've longed for to make Mill tier 2. So, if I wrote a primer, these biases would become apparent. I would expect biases from others as well.

    The best primer may well be a team effort, wiki-style. Having someone organize a new primer and give credit to each person for writing a section may be best. Mining this thread for the best info may also work. I really do not want to see 3 different mill primers written for UB, BUG/UB and Esper. The card base is not really that diverse.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Replace Expedition Map with Cranial Plating, and it's a good list.


    Tron doesn't need a ban to slow it down. We have Ghost Quarter and Fulminator Mage. Add Surgical Extraction to the mix, and Tron can be dealt with.

    I think they banned the wrong Eldrazi enabler, myself. Eye of Ugin is legendary. That alone kept it in check. Unban Eye, ban Temple, problem nerfed but not destroyed.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    Some notes: Hedron Crab and Jace's Phantasm can go in the sideboard. Mind Funeral is a great answer to Chalice of the Void. Jace's Archivist is too slow, and you do not want to give your opponent a chance to draw into anything. Memory Erosion would be a better card. If you just want to flat out make them repeatedly mill, Chronic Flooding does the trick, potentially puts them off their mana and is harder to remove.

    Not sure why Death's Shadow causes problems - they run 3 creatures, one of which tends to be a 1 or 2 of. Extractirpate Death's Shadow, and the deck falls apart.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Price memory is a pain. But obviously somebody must be paying that price. If nobody was buying AV vendors and individuals would start to drop the price for the sake of liquidity. The problem is a physical card takes up so little space that there isn't much opportunity cost to just keeping it tucked away unlike a larger physical good, let's say a pair of shoes, where if that shoebox stays on the shelf it reduces the effective inventory.


    That's only part of inventory tracking. Space is one aspect, the other aspect is turnover. If I have an AV that I cannot sell, I have $50 of my money tied up, and I'm not making money. But if I had, instead, 10 Crested Sunmare's, and I am selling them rapidly due to demand, not only have I made a profit, I have rotated that money, and have a lot more flexibility to purchase other cards as they are offered to me.

    Tying up large amounts of money in slow moving cards is one of the biggest mistakes a card store (and finance motivated player) can do. The LGS that's big on singles doesn't deal much in Legacy or Vintage outside ABUR duals unless he has a buyer on record. He'll buy a Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, but only because he has a couple buyers lined up. If he bought a Tabernacle and it sat for more than a week, he's losing money he could have spent on cards that would have sold and freed the money back up.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [Deck] UBx Mill
    If you want to go creatureless, you need Mesmeric Orb as a main mill engine. Suddenly, Fraying Sanity T3 is a good play. Let me go make a quick list.

    4 Ghost Quarter
    15 Island
    1 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
    4 Archive Trap
    2 Cancel
    2 Dispel
    4 Ensnaring Bridge
    4 Fraying Sanity
    4 Mesmeric Orb
    4 Mind Sculpt
    2 Negate
    4 Tome Scour
    3 Chronic Flooding
    2 Visions of Beyond

    This mono-blue mill list is 55 cards, and 20 lands giving you 5 flex spots. Add more counters, or change the mana base to add black for Surgical Extraction and/or Extirpate, run another land for Engulf the Shore, whatever you wish.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
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