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Quote from Cody_X »

You can't play with 3 adepts.
There is no discussion about it, 4 adepts is absolutely core.
Kira and sygg fulfill the same role. Do you need 3?
I, and many others, dislike thassa. Consider how she actually plays for you, and whether or not its something worth keeping in.
Also note that sygg giving protection doubles as unblockable in many scenarios.
You don't have a lot of permission, as you have 29 creatures. After playing with it, you may (or may not) decide to change that based on your meta.

You are playing white, you can do better than hurkyl's recall.

Most people prefer tidebinder mage to flashfreeze.
3 spellskites might be overkill, and additionally, you have 3 more protection-effects mainboard. I realize skite is useful against decks like twin (we don't really need the help there), bogles, or infect, but chalice is fine in those matchups.

Threads of disloyalty is generally better than sower, especially since sygg can't save sower.

I've like monastery siege, and I think it functions like a better and more versatile thassa.

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Quote from KingBrago »

The main perks of staying U/R is the consistancy of the manabase and the fact that you can play more utility lands (typically you can go as far as 3 colorless lands, where grixis can barely afford 1).

What you lose for not splashing black is a good anticreature: you have to run Roast, where grixis has access to terminate and can play dismember without paying 4 life each time.

The version I like best for the moment is Grixis but with just a dismember and a terminate as black cards main decks, and Tasigurs in the side. It allows to play the same game as UR (with thte full combo package) but with good removal and can transform in the more controllish build.

Then, there are lots of different versions of grixis: 3 twin/5 creatures or full combo package, tasigurs main deck or not...etc. It all depends on your playstyle. I personally don't like the full grixis versions that are light on the combo and run maindeck tasigurs as they feel as a bad grixis control and the combo doesn't get online as often as I like. But again, some people seem to like the build, and both UR and different versions of Grixis have strong tournament results

EDIT: another reason I prefer the UR build (or just splash for Terminate/dismember) is that you have more room for stuff like Electrolyze, Spell Snare, dispels, or additional cantrips like peek in UR. This is especially in realtion to Kolaghan's command, which is a great card and makes a lot of value at buying back Snaps or combo creatures, but it forces us to cut some number if not all electrolyzes, which I feel are great: drawing a card in this deck is very strong, a lot more than making your opponent discard, as it allows you to better set up the combo!

Exactly my thoughts. I used to advocate for a plain UR build since i like it better but Tasigur is great against specific match ups to gain some win percentages. I very much like the UR build with the 2 cards you mentioned as a splash and then Tasigur in the sideboard.
I tested with Tasigur in the main deck and they're atrocious in a lot of match ups. Having them in the sideboard as a way to get some pressure in the match up where you need them is great. I currently running a Kolaghan's command in the main deck but it does not feel too good. I think I'm gonna drop it for a Lavamancer or another cantrip or the Brutal Expulsion.


Brutal Expulsion looks sweet. I was a GREAT Venser, Shaper Savant aficionado about a year ago. Twinning him was too fun to pass. But yeah now I feel he's a little too weak in this Kolaghan Command meta. But the new bounce/shock spell got me thinking.
At first I thought it wasn't much more than an unsummon and a magma spray but the fact that it's a Devoid spell adds a whole lot more depth to the spell. Now we can deal with Burrenton Forge Tender (that prevented us to play red sweepers), Auriok Champion (that breaks the combo with Exarch and such a pain), Master of Waves and Etched Champion. Maybe 4 mana is a bit too much but the upsides are clearly here. being able to shoot a walker is icing on the cake as well.

Don't know what you guys think but I'm definitely testing this one out.

Quote from KingBrago »

The main perks of staying U/R is the consistancy of the manabase and the fact that you can play more utility lands (typically you can go as far as 3 colorless lands, where grixis can barely afford 1).

What you lose for not splashing black is a good anticreature: you have to run Roast, where grixis has access to terminate and can play dismember without paying 4 life each time.

The version I like best for the moment is Grixis but with just a dismember and a terminate as black cards main decks, and Tasigurs in the side. It allows to play the same game as UR (with thte full combo package) but with good removal and can transform in the more controllish build.

Then, there are lots of different versions of grixis: 3 twin/5 creatures or full combo package, tasigurs main deck or not...etc. It all depends on your playstyle. I personally don't like the full grixis versions that are light on the combo and run maindeck tasigurs as they feel as a bad grixis control and the combo doesn't get online as often as I like. But again, some people seem to like the build, and both UR and different versions of Grixis have strong tournament results

EDIT: another reason I prefer the UR build (or just splash for Terminate/dismember) is that you have more room for stuff like Electrolyze, Spell Snare, dispels, or additional cantrips like peek in UR. This is especially in realtion to Kolaghan's command, which is a great card and makes a lot of value at buying back Snaps or combo creatures, but it forces us to cut some number if not all electrolyzes, which I feel are great: drawing a card in this deck is very strong, a lot more than making your opponent discard, as it allows you to better set up the combo!