You don't have to try the exact list. It was just an example. I do think a counterspell like Mana Leak will do a better job that Early Frost though. It fills a similar role (stall) but does a lot more.
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In my list, I left all of them out because Thing in the Ice is my 4 copies of Evacuation, and my list can flip Thing very quickly due to the cheap cantrips and higher spell count. But feel free to try out Frost Breath, Evacuation or Wash Out. They should all do more for you than Sleep.
Thanks for a detailed explanation!
I personally think that your list is a little short on creatures, but I might be just unexperienced to judge.
So I will go on with it and after some games I will write a review on how it went.
Since it doesn't, why not just play Mana Leak? Instead of tapping two lands to stop them from playing a spell for one turn (and letting them play it next turn), why not tap two lands to stop that spell for good and trade 1 card for 1 card?
I would like to get suggestions and critique on the deck.
I am not sure I should by making creatures and sorcery at 50%/50% distribution, but except for this I think it is more or less balanced on card draw and tap/bounce to slow down an opponent until I land Thing in the ice/Awoken Horror or Frost Titan. Also, bombing some Psionic Blast might help.
I guess one perk of Glistening Oil is that Infect can be useful vs. decks that can gain large amounts of life.
Thanks for the tips!
I will move Glistening oil to sideboard. Gotta recycle the deck with all your suggestions.
Though Triskelion is 6 cmc which was the top I aimed for (2-3 creatures with 5-6 cmc at maximum), while using him means I need mana ramp which I wasn't currently aiming for. Unless I can land him with some dirty sacrifice or return from graveyard to battlefield stuff in order to save mana.
I've came up with a sacrifice damage deck (surely not unique). Not sure if it's balanced though.
I was thinking of adding Visions of brutality, Avatar of Woe and Strip mine for more control but I am not sure what to drop.
though i dont think that spelltithe enforcer is particularly good, they will just pay 1 more and that's end of discussion
And if there are 2 of them, it's 2 to pay, which might be bad already, not saying if there are more than 2... IMHO.
I removed Avacyn since I have Iona (i don't think there is need for indestructibility if there is Iona. disagree?) i agree that all those angels are expensive, that's why i asked about mana ramp for white. I already splahed Mox pearl.
UPD:Mox pearl is banned in legacy, meh. Could you suggest smth else to add?
I need a reccomendation on the deck. I want to make a white lockdown deck. Any suggestions on what to add/remove are greatly welcomed.
Here is the decklist. From what I see now, I might have troubles with mana since some creatures here are heavy. Any suggestions how to cast things faster in mono white? Or do I even need it?
And Spellskite or Glint for Thing protection? Maybe add at least two copies instead of Preordain?
I personally think that your list is a little short on creatures, but I might be just unexperienced to judge.
So I will go on with it and after some games I will write a review on how it went.
However, why did you drop Sleep?
I am also thinking on adding Cloudfin raptor and Early Frost. Do you think they will fit? Early Frost is a great saviour at some moments.
ADDED: ... or Delver of secrets...
I would like to get suggestions and critique on the deck.
I am not sure I should by making creatures and sorcery at 50%/50% distribution, but except for this I think it is more or less balanced on card draw and tap/bounce to slow down an opponent until I land Thing in the ice/Awoken Horror or Frost Titan. Also, bombing some Psionic Blast might help.
Also, should I keep Jace or change him to the Jace, Unraveler of Secrets one?
Thanks in advance.
15 Island
4 Glimmerpost
3 Skyline Cascade
Creatures (19)
4 Oculus
4 Curious homunculus
3 Thing in the ice
3 Niblis of Frost
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Frost titan
4 Counterspell
3 Psionic Blast
2 Legacy's Allure
2 Time warp
2 Sleep
2 Dance of the Skywise
2 Turn to Frog
2 Chalice of Life
I will move Glistening oil to sideboard. Gotta recycle the deck with all your suggestions.
Though Triskelion is 6 cmc which was the top I aimed for (2-3 creatures with 5-6 cmc at maximum), while using him means I need mana ramp which I wasn't currently aiming for. Unless I can land him with some dirty sacrifice or return from graveyard to battlefield stuff in order to save mana.
Thanks for suggestions, though I guess I didn't specify that I am aiming for sacrifice damage - Geralf's messenger, Pierce strider + Undying evil or something.
Why do you want to remove glistering oil? It let's me use Geralf's Messenger infinitely unless he get's exiled.
I suppose I will drop Mikaeus for Undying evil and add something with low cmc which allows me to recycle creatures into damage. Mortician beetle + Geralf's Messenger + some sacrifice spells.
Do you have any ideas around that? Thanks in advance.
I've came up with a sacrifice damage deck (surely not unique). Not sure if it's balanced though.
I was thinking of adding Visions of brutality, Avatar of Woe and Strip mine for more control but I am not sure what to drop.
Any critique or suggestions are welcome! Thanks.
16 Swamp
2 Ancient tomb
2 Mortuary mire
2 Cabal coffers
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Leechridden swamp
4 Fume Spitter
4 Geralf's messenger
3 Pierce strider
3 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
2 Reassembling Skeleton
Sorcery (19)
3 Glistening oil
3 Bone splinters
3 Ashnod's Altar
3 Dash hopes
3 Altar's Reap
2 Rite of consumption
2 Alms of the Vein
I made some changes and opinions are welcomed. Now I wrapped the deck around Enchanted evening and enchantment exile/destruction.
I don't know if I need to put Greater Auramancy instead of Orim's chant or should I keep both and drop smth else?
Plus, does anyone know is there is smth like Boseiju, Who Shelters All but for abilities? It might make Order of the Sacred torch an awesome lock.
Suggestions?
11 Plains
4 New Benalia
2 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
2 Serra's Sanctum
1 Eiganjo Castle
1 Karakas
1 Temple of the False God
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
4 Chancellor of the Annex
3 Soltari Visionary
2 Loxodon Gatekeeper
2 Grand Abolisher
2 Order of the Sacred torch
2 Samite Elder
2 Reveille Squad
2 painter's servant
1 Angel of Jubilation
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Avacyn, Angel of Hope
4 Enlightened Tutor
3 Enchanted Evening
2 Ghostly prison
2 Greater Auramancy
2 Curse of Exhaustion
1 Tempest of Light
About mana ramp. What do you think about Enchanted Evening + Serra's Sanctum? Greater auramancy becomes ultra useful in this case.
I removed Avacyn since I have Iona (i don't think there is need for indestructibility if there is Iona. disagree?) i agree that all those angels are expensive, that's why i asked about mana ramp for white. I already splahed Mox pearl.
UPD: Mox pearl is banned in legacy, meh. Could you suggest smth else to add?
8 Plains
4 Flooded Strand
3 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
3 New Benalia
1 Temple of the False God
1 Kor Haven
1 Nykthos, shrine to Nyx
1 Karakas
1 Eiganjo Castle
1 Serra's Sanctum
4 Chancellor of the Annex
3 Loxodon Gatekeeper
2 spelltithe enforcer
2 Angel of Jubilation
2 Grand Abolisher
1 Eight-and-a-Half-Tails
1 Mother of Runes
1 Pentarch Paladin
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
4 Curse of Exhaustion
4 Mox Pearl
2 Lashknife Barrier
2 Harsh Judgment
2 Greater Auramancy
2 Orim's Chant
1 Sphere of Safety
1 Ghostly prison
I need a reccomendation on the deck. I want to make a white lockdown deck. Any suggestions on what to add/remove are greatly welcomed.
Here is the decklist. From what I see now, I might have troubles with mana since some creatures here are heavy. Any suggestions how to cast things faster in mono white? Or do I even need it?
6 Plains
4 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
4 Flooded Strand
3 New Benalia
2 Temple of the False God
1 Eiganjo Castle
1 Serra's Sanctum
1 Kor Haven
1 Nykthos, shrine to Nyx
1 Karakas
4 Chancellor of the Annex
3 Spelltithe Enforcer
3 Grand Abolisher
2 Angel of Jubilation
2 Pentarch Paladin
2 Loxodon Gatekeeper
1 Eight-and-a-Half-Tails
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Avacyn, Angel of hope
4 Curse of Exhaustion
2 Lashknife Barrier
2 Harsh Judgment
2 Greater Auramancy
2 Land Tax
2 Orim's Chant
1 Sphere of Safety
1 Ghostly prison
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EDITED: My bad, I thought Mana Breach enchants my opponent only. Another decklist change comes.
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4 Misty rainforest
4 Swamp
3 Island
2 Plains
2 Glacial fortress
2 Watery grave
2 hallowed fountain
2 Temple of Deceit
2 Temple of Enlightenment
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
4 Wall of Denial
3 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
2 Jace, memory adept
2 Narset Transcendent
Sorcery
4 Counterspell
4 Thoughtseize
4 Surgical Extraction
4 Isochron scepter
3 Hymn to Tourach
2 liliana's caress
2 Sign in blood
2 Orim's Chant