I think best choice is to have 2 ghost quarter in the 75 and ranumap in side and/or crucible. By doing this you increase the possibility to draw azusa and ghost quarter to tutor uo ranumap in sideboard games. Even exploading 2 ghost quarter at them (tron cheating lands or shocks of RG valakut) would help us to slow them up and dont screw us.
Also against bloodmoon 3rd forest abd runing 29 lands is somthing to consider.
I've been trying different configurations of the deck. yesterday I played at my LGS a version without relics 2 azusa and 1 simian spirit guide and 2 trackers mainboard. The result was a worst matchup against GBx matchups, no answer to gaveyard strategies and really poor etc.
I liked the idea of the deck that posted davius, I'm going to play the list above, highlights are 3 explore 3 relic, and 2 ghost quarter on the 75 in addition to ranumap to increase the chance of make the mana deprivation sinergy.
Swan Song is maybe the best answer against blood moon we have. Also help to counter manamorphose in Storm. That's what im up to counter...
Kanister do you have any tip on the Eldrazi Tron Matchup??
I found Hive Mind to be a good way to beat them. The hard part is a Karn Liberated controlling every land and threath you land. I found Beast Within to mitigate the planeswalker effect.
On Satudarday I went to a PPTQ event with Amulet Titan.
I performed poorly with few big mistakes but a lot of learning, since I don't play online this are my best improving experience platform.
I finished 3 wins -2 loss -1 draw
First Round I was able to beat Skred, sided in 1 reclamation sage, 2 swan songs, 1 beast within 2 dismember and 1 thragtusk.
first game was with turn 2 bloodmoon...
second game on turn three I had a swan song in hand, simic growth chamber, and an amulet and an untapped sakura. He played the red planeswalker and after played a bloodmoon, that I countered with swan song. was pretty cool.
Third game I was able to destroy bloodmoon and win, it doesn't affect the game.
Second Round I draw against GBU Midrange.
I played very poorly the first game, miss played my relics that would reduce the dmg of tarmo..., I had a glare on top of my cards that really distracted me. Second game I won via Hive Mind keep 2 tolaria west in hand, double summoners pact =D. Then the time ended.
Third Round I loss against dredge 2-0. On second game I dry a Gemstone mine, that ws crucial to keep alive to properly ramp to play Hivemind. Nevever forget this...
Fourth Round. Won 2-0 against Mardu Control, I thought the deck had blood moon, So I played so paranoid about it. At the end my opponent confirmed the inexistance of the bloody card.
Fifth round. I loss against A boros aggro deck with rituals.
First game, he started, and played blood moon on turn 2.
Second game, I was able to control the blood moon, but he had also enstaring bridge.
I destroyed blood moon with reclamation sage.
Then I had to destroy a 6 Loyalty chandra with beast within.
I casted a EE at 3, while having 2 amulets and a titan in play. He was able to deal me exactly de points of damage to killme. This was a fun match, I did my best and wasn't able to win, but proven not to be impossible.
At this point I was out of the top 8. But still played the sixth round, won against burn. I think the game is really manegable.
I sided in ranumap excavator It didn't showed up, I swaped it for Chameleon Collosus in order to eventually chain combo destroy with Azusa & GQ.
Beast Within is best against planeswalkers and is kind of the best answer against Karn, Im going to still test them. Im happy with my 75, Just need more testing.
Congratz Yellow! I like Hive Mind on the current meta, Eldrazitron just can't beat it.
Academy Ruins and double E.E. looks powerfull and you are able be really control-like deck.
Kessing Wolf Run fight it's place with slayers' stronghold, I don't know if running both is worth. Sometimes you can't give your titan haste, and KWR can deal more damage next turn you landed your Titan. Playing both could worth, but requires some testing.
Yesterday I played at my LGS, and won against Eldrazi Tron 2-0, Hive Mind give me the second game, and against Grixis Death Shadow 2-1, draw against Ad-Nauseam 1-1 first game he played Phyrexian Unlife and Solemnity, and that was gg on first game.
Hive Mind although isn't a auto win con, is a viable way to steal some games.
The result was 3-3, It felt kind of salty cause I faced 1 Blue Moon, and 1 BG Rock deck that were really tunned to face big mana decks.
Overall the deck performed just fine, The videos of daviusminimus were really helpfull, Every time I got 2 amultes, Chained 2 titans and doublestrike them ;).
1st round I won against Bant Reliquary 2-0.
2nd rounde, I loose 1-2 against Affinity. First game was really close. Ravager made the difference. Second game I went to mulligan 5 and being able to win really brutally. On third game, I pay the price of being newby with the deck. I got tolaria and summoners pact on hand, He got ravager and 2 inkmoth nexus on play. I killed the ravager and he transferred the counters to his Mothland. The proper play would be to transmute for ghost quarter and play it nex turn, but I realized of it after the game was over.
Then I went right to Blue moon deck and was really frustrating, but I think we are the predelict enemy for them. Second game I look strong to counter their blood moon, situation that he played arround. Maybe I should look for an aggressive hand and try to win faster.
4th round I faced BG Rock, he had early pressure and enough discard to put me of the game. Second game I was just always behind and kept a bonefire in hand. Maybe I sideboarded wrong on this game, again, more playtesting required.
5th round, I faced Counter Company, I beat him 2-0. This is a game that I was prepared for, never let him keep 1 piece of the combo on board if he uses collected company.
6th round, I faced WB japanese eldrazi list, I was able to manage the situation, my last play was tolaria for a Negation Pact, and attack with a Titan.
In conclusion, Never sided in Chalice, need advice on using this tool, Bonefire is fun but not always worth.
the split of explore/serum is very good, I' thinking on playing 3 explore, 3 sakura and 2 serum. The explorer-snake-girl get's killed most of the time.
I was able to do thr tolarian trick after combat. I have the explorer untapped so I was able to generate 7 mana (4 from simic + 3 gemstone and simic landed by 2nd titan) mana to transmute. ( got a tolaria in hand, crazy game indeed)
I liked Visions, a friend also uses explore. Relic is very strong maybe I will use 3 visions and 3 relic for saturday tournament.
First round against a variant of grixis -Its a grixis deck with tasigur fish and bone picker with white splash for lingerine souls.
The deck is great to start appling pressure since turn 3, He Kolaghans Command my azusa and amulet of vigor. I clear up tokens, remove gaveyard, land a Titan and grabbing Slayer's Stronghold and a Boros garrison. Then I attacked with the titan is got killed, next turn I just won with a hasted titan.
Second match, I sided out 2 Serum Visions, 2 Amulet, 1 Summoners Pact and 1 or 2 Sakura's. Sided in 2 Bone fire, 1 Hornet Queen, 2 tracker and 1 dismember and a swan song.
During the game the deck performed just great, ramped with azusa, it she got killed afterwords, and the Sakura landed the bounced lands, managed to cast a tracker and obtaining 2 Clues, then Casted a Hornet Queen. He stabilized with lingerine souls and Bone picker and next turn I draw a walking ballista (5counters) and killing all his stuff. And started a clock and finish the game 2 turns later. 2-0
Second round I faced Counters Company, first game I had to mulligan, and second hand was really poor... My opponent neither have a good hand, but he killed me by pumping with Govony Township their mana dorks. Next game I had to mulligan, I managed to control a little bit when I got my titan on board, he top deck the last piece of the combo. 0-2
Third against affinity, I had to mulligan both games, but keep good hands, first game started with explosives and walking ballista. Second game I got a brutal hand, 2 amulets, 1 explorer vesuva forest and a karoo. Started with a forest and Sakura, I draw a titan next turn and then a summoners pact. Played both amulet. He put me on heavy pressure (cranial on skirge put me at 7 and he on 24).
On turn 3 I played 1 titan, with 1 searched for a tolaria and simic growth, (6 mana) and casted a Titan, fetched for boros garrison and slayer's stronghold, hate to both titans. Then I missplayed horrible, I gave both titans double strike. But it is impossible to do that, I realized when I got home. The proper play would be to gave 1 titan double strike, and with the other trigger, look for 1 simic growth and a tolaria, after the attack, transmute for explosives, and trigger it on his turn for 2 killing all his stuff.
Also against bloodmoon 3rd forest abd runing 29 lands is somthing to consider.
3 3 Azusa, Lost but Seeking
4 4 Primeval Titan
4 4 Sakura-Tribe Scout
1 1 Walking Ballista
4 4 Ancient Stirrings
3 3 Explore
1 1 Pact of Negation
4 4 Summoner's Pact
3 3 Relic of Progenitus
4 4 Amulet of Vigor
1 1 Engineered Explosives
1 1 Ghost Quarter
1 1 Bojuka Bog
1 1 Boros Garrison
2 2 Grove of Burnwillow
1 1 Cavern of Souls
4 4 Gemstone Mine
3 3 Gruul Turf
1 1 Khalni Garden
1 1 Radiant Fountain
1 1 Selesnya Sanctuary
4 4 Simic Growth Chamber
1 1 Slayers' Stronghold
2 2 Forest
1 1 Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion
3 3 Tolaria West
1 1 Vesuva
1 1 Reclamation Sage
2 2 Kozilek's Return
2 2 Dismember
1 1 Thragtusk
1 1 Hornet Queen
1 1 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
2 2 Tireless Tracker
1 1 Ghost Quarter
1 1 Ranumap Excavator
I've been trying different configurations of the deck. yesterday I played at my LGS a version without relics 2 azusa and 1 simian spirit guide and 2 trackers mainboard. The result was a worst matchup against GBx matchups, no answer to gaveyard strategies and really poor etc.
I liked the idea of the deck that posted davius, I'm going to play the list above, highlights are 3 explore 3 relic, and 2 ghost quarter on the 75 in addition to ranumap to increase the chance of make the mana deprivation sinergy.
Swan Song is maybe the best answer against blood moon we have. Also help to counter manamorphose in Storm. That's what im up to counter...
Regards!
I found Hive Mind to be a good way to beat them. The hard part is a Karn Liberated controlling every land and threath you land. I found Beast Within to mitigate the planeswalker effect.
I performed poorly with few big mistakes but a lot of learning, since I don't play online this are my best improving experience platform.
I finished 3 wins -2 loss -1 draw
First Round I was able to beat Skred, sided in 1 reclamation sage, 2 swan songs, 1 beast within 2 dismember and 1 thragtusk.
first game was with turn 2 bloodmoon...
second game on turn three I had a swan song in hand, simic growth chamber, and an amulet and an untapped sakura. He played the red planeswalker and after played a bloodmoon, that I countered with swan song. was pretty cool.
Third game I was able to destroy bloodmoon and win, it doesn't affect the game.
Second Round I draw against GBU Midrange.
I played very poorly the first game, miss played my relics that would reduce the dmg of tarmo..., I had a glare on top of my cards that really distracted me. Second game I won via Hive Mind keep 2 tolaria west in hand, double summoners pact =D. Then the time ended.
Third Round I loss against dredge 2-0. On second game I dry a Gemstone mine, that ws crucial to keep alive to properly ramp to play Hivemind. Nevever forget this...
Fourth Round. Won 2-0 against Mardu Control, I thought the deck had blood moon, So I played so paranoid about it. At the end my opponent confirmed the inexistance of the bloody card.
Fifth round. I loss against A boros aggro deck with rituals.
First game, he started, and played blood moon on turn 2.
Second game, I was able to control the blood moon, but he had also enstaring bridge.
I destroyed blood moon with reclamation sage.
Then I had to destroy a 6 Loyalty chandra with beast within.
I casted a EE at 3, while having 2 amulets and a titan in play. He was able to deal me exactly de points of damage to killme. This was a fun match, I did my best and wasn't able to win, but proven not to be impossible.
At this point I was out of the top 8. But still played the sixth round, won against burn. I think the game is really manegable.
I sided in ranumap excavator It didn't showed up, I swaped it for Chameleon Collosus in order to eventually chain combo destroy with Azusa & GQ.
Beast Within is best against planeswalkers and is kind of the best answer against Karn, Im going to still test them. Im happy with my 75, Just need more testing.
4 Primeval Titan
4 Sakura-Tribe Scout
1 Walking Ballista
4 Ancient Stirrings
2 Explore
1 Pact of Negation
4 Summoner's Pact
4 Amulet of Vigor
3 Relic of Progenitus
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Hive Mind
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Boros Garrison
2 Grove of Burnwillow
1 Cavern of Souls
4 Gemstone Mine
3 Gruul Turf
1 Khalni Garden
1 Radiant Fountain
1 Selesnya Sanctuary
4 Simic Growth Chamber
1 Slayers' Stronghold
2 Forest
1 Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion
3 Tolaria West
1 Vesuva
1 Beast Within
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Kozilek's Return
1 Bonefire of Damned
3 Dismember
1 Thragtusk
1 Hornet Queen
1 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
1 Ramunap Excavator
2 Tireless Tracker
Regards!!
Turn 3 natural tron is something to be afraid at least. Happened to me :'(
I also agree that more nature claim /primordial are required, in order to not just gg.
I remember that back in time, the deck runned 2 forest and 1 island, in order to cast hive mind and have an out against bloodmoon.
Academy Ruins and double E.E. looks powerfull and you are able be really control-like deck.
Kessing Wolf Run fight it's place with slayers' stronghold, I don't know if running both is worth. Sometimes you can't give your titan haste, and KWR can deal more damage next turn you landed your Titan. Playing both could worth, but requires some testing.
I do like 3 Dismembers although.
Regards!
Hive Mind although isn't a auto win con, is a viable way to steal some games.
I'm happy with my 75.
3 Azusa, Lost but Seeking
4 Primeval Titan
4 Sakura-Tribe Scout
1 Walking Ballista
Sorcery (8)
4 Ancient Stirrings
2 Serum Visions
2 Explore
Instants (5)
1 Pact of Negation
4 Summoner's Pact
Other Spells (8)
4 Amulet of Vigor
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Hive Mind
Land (27)
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Boros Garrison
2 Botanical Sanctum
1 Cavern of Souls
4 Gemstone Mine
3 Gruul Turf
1 Khalni Garden
1 Radiant Fountain
1 Selesnya Sanctuary
4 Simic Growth Chamber
1 Slayers' Stronghold
2 Forest
1 Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion
3 Tolaria West
1 Vesuva
2 Swan Song
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Kozilek's Return
1 Bonefire of Damned (still missing a 2nd Kozilek's Return)
3 Dismember
2 Tireless Tracker
1 Chameleon Colossus
1 Thragtusk
1 Hornet Queen
1 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
I'm unsure if not playing Grove of the Burnwillows and 3 azusa, lost but seeking, is still better to run serum visions over explore.
I like to suggest you on the jund matchup, remove, all amulet of vigor and sakura tribe scout, and add threats and ruric tar from the sideboard.
Regards!
@Zrifts, what's the chalice trick??
Also, Claim // Fame it's looking hot for Death's Shadow Goblins you've been brewing lately
On Saturday I went to a monthly modern event on my city (57 peers).
The result was 3-3, It felt kind of salty cause I faced 1 Blue Moon, and 1 BG Rock deck that were really tunned to face big mana decks.
Overall the deck performed just fine, The videos of daviusminimus were really helpfull, Every time I got 2 amultes, Chained 2 titans and doublestrike them ;).
1st round I won against Bant Reliquary 2-0.
2nd rounde, I loose 1-2 against Affinity. First game was really close. Ravager made the difference. Second game I went to mulligan 5 and being able to win really brutally. On third game, I pay the price of being newby with the deck. I got tolaria and summoners pact on hand, He got ravager and 2 inkmoth nexus on play. I killed the ravager and he transferred the counters to his Mothland. The proper play would be to transmute for ghost quarter and play it nex turn, but I realized of it after the game was over.
Then I went right to Blue moon deck and was really frustrating, but I think we are the predelict enemy for them. Second game I look strong to counter their blood moon, situation that he played arround. Maybe I should look for an aggressive hand and try to win faster.
4th round I faced BG Rock, he had early pressure and enough discard to put me of the game. Second game I was just always behind and kept a bonefire in hand. Maybe I sideboarded wrong on this game, again, more playtesting required.
5th round, I faced Counter Company, I beat him 2-0. This is a game that I was prepared for, never let him keep 1 piece of the combo on board if he uses collected company.
6th round, I faced WB japanese eldrazi list, I was able to manage the situation, my last play was tolaria for a Negation Pact, and attack with a Titan.
In conclusion, Never sided in Chalice, need advice on using this tool, Bonefire is fun but not always worth.
the split of explore/serum is very good, I' thinking on playing 3 explore, 3 sakura and 2 serum. The explorer-snake-girl get's killed most of the time.
Loving the deck <3!
I was able to do thr tolarian trick after combat. I have the explorer untapped so I was able to generate 7 mana (4 from simic + 3 gemstone and simic landed by 2nd titan) mana to transmute. ( got a tolaria in hand, crazy game indeed)
I liked Visions, a friend also uses explore. Relic is very strong maybe I will use 3 visions and 3 relic for saturday tournament.
4 Primeval Titan
4 Sakura-Tribe Scout
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Walking Ballista
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Serum Visions
1 Pact of Negation
4 Summoner's Pact
4 Amulet of Vigor
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Boros Garrison
2 Botanical Sanctum
1 Cavern of Souls
4 Gemstone Mine
1 Ghost Quarter
3 Gruul Turf
1 Khalni Garden
1 Radiant Fountain
1 Selesnya Sanctuary
4 Simic Growth Chamber
1 Slayers' Stronghold
2 Forest
1 Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion
3 Tolaria West
1 Vesuva
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Swan Song
2 Dismember
2 Bonefire of Damned
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Nature's Claim
2 Tireless Tracker
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 Hornet Queen
1 Chalice of the Void
First round against a variant of grixis -Its a grixis deck with tasigur fish and bone picker with white splash for lingerine souls.
The deck is great to start appling pressure since turn 3, He Kolaghans Command my azusa and amulet of vigor. I clear up tokens, remove gaveyard, land a Titan and grabbing Slayer's Stronghold and a Boros garrison. Then I attacked with the titan is got killed, next turn I just won with a hasted titan.
Second match, I sided out 2 Serum Visions, 2 Amulet, 1 Summoners Pact and 1 or 2 Sakura's. Sided in 2 Bone fire, 1 Hornet Queen, 2 tracker and 1 dismember and a swan song.
During the game the deck performed just great, ramped with azusa, it she got killed afterwords, and the Sakura landed the bounced lands, managed to cast a tracker and obtaining 2 Clues, then Casted a Hornet Queen. He stabilized with lingerine souls and Bone picker and next turn I draw a walking ballista (5counters) and killing all his stuff. And started a clock and finish the game 2 turns later. 2-0
Second round I faced Counters Company, first game I had to mulligan, and second hand was really poor... My opponent neither have a good hand, but he killed me by pumping with Govony Township their mana dorks. Next game I had to mulligan, I managed to control a little bit when I got my titan on board, he top deck the last piece of the combo. 0-2
Third against affinity, I had to mulligan both games, but keep good hands, first game started with explosives and walking ballista. Second game I got a brutal hand, 2 amulets, 1 explorer vesuva forest and a karoo. Started with a forest and Sakura, I draw a titan next turn and then a summoners pact. Played both amulet. He put me on heavy pressure (cranial on skirge put me at 7 and he on 24).
On turn 3 I played 1 titan, with 1 searched for a tolaria and simic growth, (6 mana) and casted a Titan, fetched for boros garrison and slayer's stronghold, hate to both titans. Then I missplayed horrible, I gave both titans double strike. But it is impossible to do that, I realized when I got home. The proper play would be to gave 1 titan double strike, and with the other trigger, look for 1 simic growth and a tolaria, after the attack, transmute for explosives, and trigger it on his turn for 2 killing all his stuff.
Im back on ramping B-)
(sorry for my english)