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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    Quote from user_938036 »
    Quote from ChrisBP7 »
    Quote from Xul »
    Quote from MrBiggelz »
    As for number 6. It is a misunderstanding on your part.
    Ugin, Spring, and Nahiri were capable of killing the eldralz. Ugin refused to in fear that he could upset an ecosystem beyond his understanding, therefore releasing an even greater threat into the multiverse. That's why Ugin was so upset the the gatewatch killed the Titans.
    There is a big difference between COULDN'T and WOULDN'T.
    They voluntarily went through the the effort to trap and not to kill, which would have been easier.


    Don't quote me on this one but I'm 100% sure that there is a story out there that says that Sorin and Nahiri had tried to kill the titans but that they couldn't do it and only after that did the run into Sorin. It might have been retconed, though.


    Yes, they couldn't defeat them because they didn't have Ugin's Insight. He didn't tell them how to "submerge" the titans into a plane, therefore they both only fought the 3D "shadows" of the Eldrazi before.
    Didn't they not even fight the shadows but the Endless spawn? I assume you are talking about the story where Nahiri forges that sword then the plane dies, if your are talking about the art book entry then that is interesting to know, does it mention which Titan?

    I meant that they couldn't actually hurt the titans because of this. I don't even know whether they fought the "shadows" at all. I think it was implied once that they tried to, but I have no memory off where that came from.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    Quote from Xul »
    Quote from MrBiggelz »
    As for number 6. It is a misunderstanding on your part.
    Ugin, Spring, and Nahiri were capable of killing the eldralz. Ugin refused to in fear that he could upset an ecosystem beyond his understanding, therefore releasing an even greater threat into the multiverse. That's why Ugin was so upset the the gatewatch killed the Titans.
    There is a big difference between COULDN'T and WOULDN'T.
    They voluntarily went through the the effort to trap and not to kill, which would have been easier.


    Don't quote me on this one but I'm 100% sure that there is a story out there that says that Sorin and Nahiri had tried to kill the titans but that they couldn't do it and only after that did the run into Sorin. It might have been retconed, though.


    Yes, they couldn't defeat them because they didn't have Ugin's Insight. He didn't tell them how to "submerge" the titans into a plane, therefore they both only fought the 3D "shadows" of the Eldrazi before.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    Quote from Xul »
    Quote from user_938036 »
    Quote from Xul »
    Wow, it is great that they've answered stuff like:

    ''How come Gideon managed to punch Ulamog but couldn't fight off two initiates?''
    ''Did Chandra ever finish elementary school because she sure as hell doesn't act like she did?''
    ''How come Nissa can rewrite gods like they are nothing? Even by the smallest extent.''
    ''Why is Gatewatch undefeatable?''
    ''Why is Bolas acting so out of character with leaving hints of his involvement on Amonketh? Bolas is 20+ thousand years old, several years needed to make 100% sure that his plan goes smoothly is a heartbeat to someone like him.''
    ''Eldrazi titans couldn't have been defeated by godlike oldwalkers but Chandra had managed to burn them with the help of Zendikar?''
    ''Why are you so eager to kill off Gideon so that you can push Chandra x Nissa?''
    There is a ton more but I can't remember them from the top of my head.
    Like Ajduk had said, none of these questions that were asked were sumbitted by people who read the story because I honestly doubt that a majority of us gives a crap about babies on Amonketh and would rather have one of my ''plot problem'' types of questions answered than that. Amonketh babies, Tamiyo's kids...give me a break. Nobody cares about that stuff.
    This is some toxic stuff. Out of the questions asked the only one I had any interest in was the time frame for the Mending (wish they mentioned when Alara). But every question has been asked on these forums, so to say "Nobody cares about that stuff" is a level of ignorance and arrogance that is unhealthy.
    As for your questions, not a single one of them is actually interesting, and most have answers.
    1. Why is a punch equivalent to fighting off?
    2. What does elementary school have to do with personality?
    3. Because her established power set lined up favorably with the gods mechanic
    4. They aren't (or minus foreshadow)
    5. They specifically said he was in a rush. A heart beat is a long time when you feel you only have a few dozen left.
    6. This a is a basic misunderstanding of facts, come back after you have read the story correctly.
    7. Only this forum is "So eager" to kill off any Gatewatch members. Don't push your anti LGBT here.
    8. It doesn't matter if a majority don't care about these questions, someone cared enough to submit the question.


    I'm sorry if my post had triggered you. It wasn't meant to be offensive but I refuse to act happy-go-lucky with what we're given only because you're satisfied with it and you don't see any problems with it. If my opinion is toxic to you then I'm sorry but not everyone is going to agree with you on your opinion, nor cater to it, and you should accept that and get used to it. That is how the world works.
    1. He punched an ELDRAZI TITAN! That is the biggest plot hole in the entire story. If he can punch an eldrazi titan and, even briefly, hold it at bay than he should be able to fight off two initiates.
    2. It teaches you social skills and Chandra has none. Her character is essentially a stubborn 5 year old.
    3. This is a major flaw on the story. They are GODS! I'm not the only one who shares this opinion. Go back a couple of pages and read this thread.
    4. So far they are. They very much are and if you've been reading this forum, especially ''Your opinion on the Gatewatch'' thread than you would have seen that a good part of this community is sick of it.
    5. No, they never said that he was in a rush. It was speculated by a mere mortal (Samut).
    6. It is not. You should re read all the Zendikar stories. Oldwalkers couldn't kill them but the neowalkers could? That is just silly (to be fair Oath has a lot of wtf moments)
    7. Nice attempt at silencing me with shouting ''ANTI-LGBT! ANTI-LGBT!''. I DON'T have to like something. No one is forcing me to like it. My statement was not anti LGBT in the slightest. I don't give a damn if they are lesbians or not. I just find it bad that it looks like they will kill off Chandra's former hinted at love interest (read Purifying Fire) to make this lesbian relationship less awkward but that is just my view on the situation. If they do it without killing off Gideon I'll be extremely happy. I acutally like the character and I don't want to see it go for that reason.
    8. You honestly thing that those ''carefully picked totally not random'' questions were actually submitted? I honestly doubt that.


    Well, the world also doesn't have to cater to your dislike of the storyline either. So there. Since the Q&A was answering fan questions, it seems to me that not everyone puts this enormous importance on easily answered or at least explainable "plotholes" (or in some cases opinions of yours).
    Let's see here:
    1. First of, he is both a planeswalker (which have an immunity against the chaotic blind eternities thanks to the spark, which also extends to beings from the eternities aka the eldrazi (see Spatial Contortion)). Secondly he is indestructible. He didn't hold off Ulamog, he only fought off one tentacle (barely). The whole scene has been severely blown out of proportion anyway.
    2. She is a hothead and not very mature. So what? Many people are like this, she didn't have a normal childhood, was far away from her homeworld for a long time and is a channeler of red mana, which is tied to extreme emotions. You might not like this kind of character, but it says nothing about the quality of the story.
    3. Yes and the answers to that (including my own) were pretty conclusive about the issue. Instead you seem to have ignored them completely just to moan about the same plotpoint over and over again, when the answer to this "problem" was given to you before. This is not constructive criticism. To summarize: Gods in magic have never been "above it all" and "unchangable by mere mortals". Hell, the Theros gods are dependent on mortal belief and it was shown by Ashiok that with enough time he could be able to manipulate this system to create a god (not to mention Xenagos apotheosis). Nissa is able to manipulate flows of mana/leylines. She observed Bolas changing the gods. She noticed his maniulation in the god himself and tried to do something similar but much more miniscule herself, barely succeeding. There is even more reasoning for why she was able to do this, but I don't want to repeat myself here again.
    4. People who feel negatively about something tend to be the loudest and most active in any community, often ignoring or putting down anyone who disagrees with them. Doesn't mean that the majority agrees with them, even if they often believe that to be the case. That's true for the internet as a whole, but I digress...
    5. There was nothing contradicting her either. We don't know about it yet since Bolas is just now appearing and we haven't had a story about his POV yet. There could be quite a few reasons why he left behind evidence, including the fact that he is neither omnipotent nor omniscient.
    6. Urgh, I don't want to restate my points every time someone brings this up. The gatewatch didn't defeat the Eldrazi titans by themselves, they needed all the work the trio of oldalkers did before them to succeed: The hedron network, Ugin's Insight, the wild mana and sentience of Zendikar and so on and so on. Also Ugin just didn't WANT the eldrazi titans dead. It was explained and was certainly no deus ex machina. Whether you liked it is a whole different story.
    7. "Why are you so eager to kill off Gideon so that you can push Chandra x Nissa" were your words. But it doesn't seem like they want to kill of Gideon at the moment and the NissaxChandra relationship was put on ice by Nissa herself for now. And Gideon and Chandra had their moments together too.
    8. Can you prove it not to be the case? And even if you were right about that, what makes your questions so important?
    You come across as being negative for the sake of negativity.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    Quote from Mangod »
    I'm starting to wonder if there was some kind of screw-up with the schedule for Uncharted Realms; some of the later chapters in the Amonkhet block have felt awfully rushed in places. The transition from Samut getting captured, to being freed by the Gatewatch, to the latter all getting captured by the Gods and brought to the Trials felt like it was written by someone who was only given an hour to bridge two separate scenes.


    Actually I was wondering about that as well, at least in regards to the last story. I liked it, but the pacing seemed rushed in places. I also thought that we would get another Amonkhet story, but this was seemingly the last one. Also why did this story need two authors? It might be that scheduling conflicts or something similar forced creative to put the last two stories together. It would make sense.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    Quote from user_938036 »
    Quote from ChrisBP7 »
    Quote from MrHyena »
    Its annoying when they introduce races into a Plane and not reference them in the stories.


    Which races didn't they mention? Minotaurs, Naga, Aven and Humans (as well as to a lesser extent zombies) all had at least side characters in the story up to this point.
    While they have been mentioned in the stories I find it hilarious you don't mention the race actually introduced in this set, Jackal people. Sure Ainok(dog people) were introduced in Tarkir but Jackals are different now.


    Sorry, I was a little sleepy and didn't remember the Khenra. My mistake! Well they were mentioned, but killed of pretty soon afterwards. I guess you could be angry about that. I didn't mind much (but I strangely didn't find them very interesting in the first place, so don't mind me in that regard).
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    Quote from MrHyena »
    Its annoying when they introduce races into a Plane and not reference them in the stories.


    Which races didn't they mention? Minotaurs, Naga, Aven and Humans (as well as to a lesser extent zombies) all had at least side characters in the story up to this point.
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    posted a message on Kiki Jiki + Worlspine Wurm triggers.
    No, because Worldspine Wurm doesn't shuffle the graveyard into your library upon dying. In case you wanted to ask whether you still have to shuffle the Worldspine Wurm token itself into the library... I'm pretty sure you don't because it ceases to exist upon being put into the graveyard.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    Quote from ChrisBP7 »
    Good ideas, terrible execution. Today's story felt like a checklist of details Creative needed us to know, conveniently discovered by the characters in very unrealistic ways. It's amazing how a farfetched, random, outlandish conclusion based on limited information just happens to be exactly what happened to Amonkhet and the first idea Samut would have when seeing the glyphs and ruins? There was potential for more development with this idea, more wonder and awe, more revelations that send our characters questioning the past and future, the promises of their world, the doctrine they've been taught. To develop the conflict of the faithful versus the doubtful. To unfold the cold truth of Bolas's machinations in series of anxiety inducing revelations about what transpired.

    Instead, checklist. Given all the time off the authors had, I'm surprised to see the Amonkhet series of stories be worse than BFZ. At least BFZ had a brilliant Kiora arc, comparing Thassa and Theros divinity to Eldrazi Titans, developing the Titans as a multiverse ecosystem, and The Blight We Were Born For, perhaps the best Magic Story of all time since the novels ended. Oh well.


    I must say, your negativity is really getting a bit overbearing. Amonkhet is SO much better than BFZ, it's not even a fair comparison. The gatewatch experiencing real character growth, especially Nissa and Gideon, the sheer horror of a culture so warped that even the gods are corrupted (while still coming across as benevolent), the whole mystery of what Bolas actually did to Amonkhet and what his plans for the plane are... This story certainly was the weakest of the Amonkhet ones so far, but it wasn't without a few good points. I liked the description of the Grim Strider and the idea of how the death of their friend pushed the rest of the group to different extremes. As others have said, the execution was lacking, but the plot was fine. Could have been better though.
    So essentially what you're saying is: good ideas, terrible execution. Which was the first sentence in my analysis that you called me negative for posting. Got it.


    Ok, first of all, I didn't say the execution was "terrible" I said it was lacking, I didn't even mind it very much. I believe a few ideas were handled pretty well (like Grim Striders' appearance, which I explained in my previous post). That's not why I was calling you overly negative in the first place anyway, your constant hyperboles like Amonkhet being worse than BFZ for example (I answered other similarly exaggerated claims from you in the last few weeks) were the reason.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    Good ideas, terrible execution. Today's story felt like a checklist of details Creative needed us to know, conveniently discovered by the characters in very unrealistic ways. It's amazing how a farfetched, random, outlandish conclusion based on limited information just happens to be exactly what happened to Amonkhet and the first idea Samut would have when seeing the glyphs and ruins? There was potential for more development with this idea, more wonder and awe, more revelations that send our characters questioning the past and future, the promises of their world, the doctrine they've been taught. To develop the conflict of the faithful versus the doubtful. To unfold the cold truth of Bolas's machinations in series of anxiety inducing revelations about what transpired.

    Instead, checklist. Given all the time off the authors had, I'm surprised to see the Amonkhet series of stories be worse than BFZ. At least BFZ had a brilliant Kiora arc, comparing Thassa and Theros divinity to Eldrazi Titans, developing the Titans as a multiverse ecosystem, and The Blight We Were Born For, perhaps the best Magic Story of all time since the novels ended. Oh well.


    I must say, your negativity is really getting a bit overbearing. Amonkhet is SO much better than BFZ, it's not even a fair comparison. The gatewatch experiencing real character growth, especially Nissa and Gideon, the sheer horror of a culture so warped that even the gods are corrupted (while still coming across as benevolent), the whole mystery of what Bolas actually did to Amonkhet and what his plans for the plane are... This story certainly was the weakest of the Amonkhet ones so far, but it wasn't without a few good points. I liked the description of the Grim Strider and the idea of how the death of their friend pushed the rest of the group to different extremes. As others have said, the execution was lacking, but the plot was fine. Could have been better though.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    Quote from YritaEdes »
    Quote from ChrisBP7 »
    Quote from YritaEdes »
    Man does this story make a lot things in the story really stupid (note: this story itself is pretty decent). So if the Demon crocodile can move Gideon around as it pleases, either Eldrazi are utter chumps that pose no threat to anyone or Sorin, Nahiri and Ugin (and by extension Bolas) are not so powerful or everyone is infected by incompetence virus or Gatewatch are just so goddamn op it doesn't even matter and should have no problem ending Bolas.

    This is rather nitpicky but that's what you get when you start story with universe ending threats and then scale downwards. It kind of scews up stakes, level of danger, powers of everybody if done badly and it's pretty clear Wotc screwed up with the whole gatewatch story arc.

    Other than that I'm halfly expecting Gideon turn to some sort of iconoclast by the end of Amonkhet unless he gets killed.

    There were logical reasons for the gatewatch defeating the two titans, as I have explained before (these reasons include why Ugin etc were not able or not willing to defeat them by the way, so no it doesn't imply they are weak or that the gatewatch is OP). It was probably a mistake to start with the Eldrazi, that much I'll give you. Ulamog wasn't actively trying to kill Gideon (he barely even recognized him), otherwise he would have.
    While I agree that there are reasons and some of them are good (like Ugin not willing to try and kill Eldrazi) there are, at least to me, way too many bad reasons/plot points how gatewatch defeated the Eldrazi that the story will probably always be laughable and Eldrazi will remain as non-threats. As for Ulamog, to borrow the fly comparasion floating around. Fly wouldn't be able to stop, say, human from walking forward wether it wanted or not.

    I was under the impression that Gideon didn't stop Ulamog really. I would like to have a citation for that. I only remember him holding of a single one of Ulamogs tentacles. Also: Some people do stop for a second if a fly tries to fly in their face repeatedly. Grin Which reasons were dumb? The only one I can think of is that Chandra was able to channel all that mana without crippling herself at least, but otherwise... The reasons why Ulamog and Kozilek were defeated were:
    a) The Hedron network being used to imprison them and slowly stripping them of their mana. Without it they would have been as powerful as they were when they were imprisoned, e.g. unstoppable for the Gatewatch.
    b) Ugin's Insight: Without it the Gatewatch couldn't have possibly known how to attack the real forms of the two titans.
    c) Zendikars sentience, connection to Nissa and especially potent mana: Without the help of the plane, even with all these preparations it wouldn't have been possible.
    d) Emrakul being gone: The strongest titan was already elsewhere (and they REALLY couldn't defeat her at all on Innistrad later on, which makes perfect sense considering the amount of help they had on Zendikar. Emrakul remains a huge threat.)
    e) And Chandra being able to channel all that mana to reduce them to ash.
    I admit: The stories were pretty weak and, all in all, the Eldrazi were misused in the BFZ block (but not in the SOI block I would argue), but the reasons for why they were capable of doing this were internally consistent with what came before, didn't require a deus ex machina (since all of this (except for Chandras part maybe) was already established) and didn't need the Gatewatch to be OP to be able to do this.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    Quote from YritaEdes »
    Man does this story make a lot things in the story really stupid (note: this story itself is pretty decent). So if the Demon crocodile can move Gideon around as it pleases, either Eldrazi are utter chumps that pose no threat to anyone or Sorin, Nahiri and Ugin (and by extension Bolas) are not so powerful or everyone is infected by incompetence virus or Gatewatch are just so goddamn op it doesn't even matter and should have no problem ending Bolas.

    This is rather nitpicky but that's what you get when you start story with universe ending threats and then scale downwards. It kind of scews up stakes, level of danger, powers of everybody if done badly and it's pretty clear Wotc screwed up with the whole gatewatch story arc.

    Other than that I'm halfly expecting Gideon turn to some sort of iconoclast by the end of Amonkhet unless he gets killed.

    There were logical reasons for the gatewatch defeating the two titans, as I have explained before (these reasons include why Ugin etc were not able or not willing to defeat them by the way, so no it doesn't imply they are weak or that the gatewatch is OP). It was probably a mistake to start with the Eldrazi, that much I'll give you. Ulamog wasn't actively trying to kill Gideon (he barely even recognized him), otherwise he would have.
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    posted a message on Amonkhet General Discussion
    Quote from SimicNuggets »
    Obviously the Ammit could hurt Gideon because it puts -1/-1 counters on things. :p

    Great story, flowed well. Minor nitpicks: so much fodder, and still no interaction between the gods. Oketra literally dropped him off at Bontu's and peaced out. Some shady eye contact, or a mutual nod would have been nice. But hey, plenty more story to go. Wonder how she'll feel about Gideon failing the trial.


    I don't think that Amonkhets gods are particularly chatty with each other. The Theros gods are very human, with internal conflicts (often over belief as a ressource) and so on. They do interact with each other, but often in a negative way (Kruphix being the exemption in both cases, nearly never directly interacting with the gods or mortals for that matter). This is because they represent mortal beliefs, which means taking on certain human aspects as well (similar to the gods on Terry Prattchets discworld). The Amonkhet gods seem to be much more mechanical, probably because they are directly generated by the plane (at least it seems to be that way). They don't have to interact much because they each already know their place and what they have to do (the exemption here being dealing with threats to the city or its inhabitants). Nothing else matters for them. It's a nice distinction from the Theros pantheon in my opinion.
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    posted a message on Some questions on eldrazi lore
    Quote from Jay13x »
    1. The impression I've gotten is that they all have the same powers but are better and worse at it than others. Ulamog is just the best at consuming, the others are still attracted by and consume mana.
    2. A little bit of both, I think. In The Blight We Were Born for, it's clear that 'future' Tazri's mind has been warped.
    3. Emrakul does influence minds as well. Just look at the Psychic assaults in The Promised End and Nissa's lingering effects from The Hand That Moves.
    4. Ulamog transformed Eldrazi cultists into the first Bloodchiefs, according to the Art Book. I assume they were slaves of all of the Eldrazi, but they were Ulamog's in particular.



    A few add-ons to your explanations:
    1./2. I believe that the titans all have those capabilities (as you have mentioned) but not only is each of them better at a specific thing, the effects of each of them is different: Ulamog consumes mana and the land around him turns to dust, Kozilek does it and it is warped into Bismuth-like shapes. Kozilek warps minds by distorting motives, senses and character traits, Emrakul does it by merging everyone into her own self.
    4. In the new art of Inquisition of Kozilek we can clearly see a vampire controlled by Kozilek instead of Ulamog (they have obsidian plates floating around them while still having the featureless bone masks of Ulamogs vampires, hinting at Ulamogs role in their corruption).
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    posted a message on The "I Like You" game
    Growth Matrix 4
    Artifact
    At the beginning of your upkeep, you may gain 1 life, draw one card and proliferate.
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    posted a message on Commander Game
    Akhonaton, Architect of the Gods 2UW
    Legendary Creature - Human Advisor
    Akhonaton gets +1/+1 for each brick counter on artifacts you control.
    Artifacts you control with brick counters on them gain indestructible for as long as you control Akhonaton.
    1UW, T: Put a brick counter on target artifact.
    2/2

    A UWGR commander with a unique effect which isn't related to altruism.
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