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  • posted a message on Gift Horse Trick Jarret twitter
    Quote from desruprot »
    Trojan Horse I think its a reference to?


    That and the old saying, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth". So in other words, don't inspect your Trojan Horse to closely.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on ABU Dual Reprints
    Of course, WotC could create a "proxy list", cards which are ok to proxy when you go into a sanctioned tournament. Heck, let them make and sell those proxies themselves with green borders or something. They could use the magic online art and look to make sure they look truly different. That way, they can keep their promise of not reprinting the originals, but people can still play with them affordably.


    They did a long time ago. Those cards are worth a lot of money these days. They made two sets, the Collector Edition and International Edition. Both have square corners and gold boarder backs.

    https://m.ebay.com/itm/CE-Magic-the-Gathering-Beta-Collectors-Edition-Power-9-Set-Black-Lotus-Mox-Jet/142455062861?hash=item212afbc14d:g:aRcAAOSwAAVZbjU8#vi__app-cvip-panel
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Unstable Name and Number Crunch (More or Less)
    Quote from Raptorchan »
    DM is a promo card, not Unstable card.


    Right, that's why I said what I said. Considering the way they are currently printed, they are equal to tip cards or tokens. That said, adding a silver boarder and putting a real MTG back on them could be done, allowing them to be in the set. Some people talked about it, because of DM's un-set-like abilities. But from todays spoilers, it seems that slim chance has been closed.

    Quote from void_nothing »
    Quote from Raptorchan »
    DM is a promo card, not Unstable card.

    Specifically a special, legal-nowhere promo card for a tiny select group of people. It has as much chance as being printed anywhere as 1996 World Champion does.


    The three Heroes of the Realm cards aren't actually Magic cards. The '96 World Champ card has the standard MTG back on it, whereas the HotR cards do not. The This is what the backs look like, https://mtg.gamepedia.com/media/mtg.gamepedia.com/e/eb/Heroes_of_the_Realm_card_back.jpg

    https://www.magiclibrarities.net/353-rarities-unique-cards-english-cards-index.html
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Unstable Name and Number Crunch (More or Less)
    So as it stands now, does this mean that there is no chance for Dungeon Master to be included in the set? Looking at things, it would seem that the spoiler of Dr. Julius Jumblemorph today, leaves no room for DM in the crunch.

    https://scryfall.com/card/htr/2
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Spike, Tournament Grinder - GatheringMagic Spoiler
    Quote from urweak »
    psycojosho asked: Can Spike, Tournament Grinder get ante cards?

    Ante no longer exists, so they aren’t usable.

    November 14, 2017 55 notes
    http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/167488477193/can-spike-tournament-grinder-get-ante-cards

    Can someone clarify this for me. From the reply it sounds like the cards aren't unusable since Ante doesn't "exist", or in other words the cards are still tutorable but will do nothing. For example, Darkpact does basically nothing in a game that isn't being played for Ante. But regardless of that, Ante cards are still banned in Vintage. The Vintage B&R list actually names Ante cards in it. So since they are banned from a format, you can still tutor for them.

    Also, the Comp. Rules still talk about Ante cards. Unless I am misunderstanding something, Ante still exists.
    407.1. Earlier versions of the Magic rules included an ante rule as a way of playing “for keeps.” Playing Magic games for ante is now considered an optional variation on the game, and it’s allowed only where it’s not forbidden by law or by other rules. Playing for ante is strictly forbidden under the Magic: The Gathering Tournament Rules (WPN.Wizards.com/en/resources/rules-documents).
    Its optional, like UN-cards. Its forbidden but its not banned/restricted. If you and your friend(s) enable Ante for instance in your kitchen table games, none of the Ante cards are banned/restricted and so Spike can't fetch those cards.


    They Ante cards are banned in Vintage. So you can fetch them. But the ante part of the card doesn't work.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Spike, Tournament Grinder - GatheringMagic Spoiler
    Quote from Legend »
    Are Conspiracies also on the menu?

    Or are they just a nobo anyways?
    Conspiracies are usable if in a limited environment, but not in a constructed one. Spike can't grab whats not banned/restricted such as a conspiracy.


    Like the Ante cards, they are named under the Vintage B&R list.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Spike, Tournament Grinder - GatheringMagic Spoiler
    psycojosho asked: Can Spike, Tournament Grinder get ante cards?

    Ante no longer exists, so they aren’t usable.

    November 14, 2017 55 notes
    http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/167488477193/can-spike-tournament-grinder-get-ante-cards

    Can someone clarify this for me. From the reply it sounds like the cards aren't unusable since Ante doesn't "exist", or in other words the cards are still tutorable but will do nothing. For example, Darkpact does basically nothing in a game that isn't being played for Ante. But regardless of that, Ante cards are still banned in Vintage. The Vintage B&R list actually names Ante cards in it. So since they are banned from a format, you can still tutor for them.

    Also, the Comp. Rules still talk about Ante cards. Unless I am misunderstanding something, Ante still exists.
    407.1. Earlier versions of the Magic rules included an ante rule as a way of playing “for keeps.” Playing Magic games for ante is now considered an optional variation on the game, and it’s allowed only where it’s not forbidden by law or by other rules. Playing for ante is strictly forbidden under the Magic: The Gathering Tournament Rules (WPN.Wizards.com/en/resources/rules-documents).
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Spike, Tournament Grinder - GatheringMagic Spoiler
    So this let's you grab any Un-set card since they are banned in constructed, short of un-block or something like that.

    Also, grabbing Contract from Below is great. Since you ignore the ante, you just discard and draw 7.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Un-Set 3 Unstable
    Quote from calculon »
    Quote from Havrekjex »
    Quote from urweak »
    Quote from BB84Prez »
    I just need someone to clarify one thing for me. Can reserve list cards be printed with silver borders and not violate their policy since they are not tournament legal? They would be glorifed proxies at a kitchen table matchup

    I'm excited about this Un-set mainly because of draft design compared to previous Un-sets.


    Back in the early 2000's they printed various reserve list cards with gold boarders. Before that, they printed all the Power 9 and Dual lands with gold boarders on the back of the card (along with "Collectors/International Edition" on the back and square corners). Years later they printed reserved list cards under a loophole that allowed them to print the cards as Judge promos and other specialty products. However, this loophole was closed a number of years ago.

    But, I don't know if the closing of the loophole for promo cards effects the printing of non-tournament legal cards. Because the first two examples were the printing of non-tournament legal cards, the judge promos on the other hand were legal for tournament play.

    Long story short, I think they can still print cards in gold/silver boarders that are on the reserved list.

    Here's one of the gold boardered reserved list cards.
    My guess is that they technically can, but they don´t want to because it probably feels too close for comfort, and they don´t want to risk causing an uproar and then have to backpedal again like they did with the FTV and promo cards. The reserved list is a topic they´d rather not bring up, and printing proxies of reserved list cards does exactly that.

    That said, I wish they would, because 15-proxy Vintage is a thing where I live, and having official, easily identifiable, widely available proxies would be very cool to avoid sharpied card backs and terrible inkjet inserts.

    Maro answered this on his blog:

    about9spiders asked: Would a silver-border reprinting ala Un3 allow reserved list cards? Or even say, a card sticker in un packs of famous cards?

    Maro: Nope.

    http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/147555860173/would-a-silver-border-reprinting-ala-un3-allow

    Y'all should get used to the fact that the reserved list is going to stay. And I'm pretty sure that even if there was some loop hole, they wouldn't use it.


    We aren't talking about removing it, so there's nothing to get used to. While it would seem that different boarder cards don't violate the RL, they do violate the spirit of it.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Un-Set 3 Unstable
    Quote from BB84Prez »
    I just need someone to clarify one thing for me. Can reserve list cards be printed with silver borders and not violate their policy since they are not tournament legal? They would be glorifed proxies at a kitchen table matchup

    I'm excited about this Un-set mainly because of draft design compared to previous Un-sets.


    Back in the early 2000's they printed various reserve list cards with gold boarders. Before that, they printed all the Power 9 and Dual lands with gold boarders on the back of the card (along with "Collectors/International Edition" on the back and square corners). Years later they printed reserved list cards under a loophole that allowed them to print the cards as Judge promos and other specialty products. However, this loophole was closed a number of years ago.

    But, I don't know if the closing of the loophole for promo cards effects the printing of non-tournament legal cards. Because the first two examples were the printing of non-tournament legal cards, the judge promos on the other hand were legal for tournament play.

    Long story short, I think they can still print cards in gold/silver boarders that are on the reserved list.

    Here's one of the gold boardered reserved list cards.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Un-Set 3 Unstable
    Quote from urweak »
    At 15:40, he talks about Un-Stable previews starting this coming Monday the 13th. I saw somewhere else on here that says it's the 27th of this month.


    www.facebook.com/MagicTheGathering/videos/10159453086960307


    They start on the 13th and conclude Thanksgiving day (around there)


    Yeah, I said the 13th and that's what also in the video. But from this thread it says it will start on the 27th. http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/673776-schedule-of-upcoming-releases-and-spoiler-seasons
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Un-Set 3 Unstable
    At 15:40, he talks about Un-Stable previews starting this coming Monday the 13th. I saw somewhere else on here that says it's the 27th of this month.


    www.facebook.com/MagicTheGathering/videos/10159453086960307
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Has Magic become too bloated for its own good?
    Quote from mondu_the_fat »
    It should be noted t hat the "every set should have a keyword" was a decision they made as early on as when they first introduced set keywords, which was the 90s. Complaining about it now is being too late to the party. And who wants to bet that if they started recycling old mechanics, people will complain about the lack of creativity?

    Also, keep in mind that wizards want NEW players. New players won't be on the backfoot if old mechanics with non-so-obvious interactions are exploited by older players. Newer players also won't see the bloat of keywords, since that will only be relevant if they play older formats. It's like what capcom is facing whenever they roll out a new Street Fighter -- do you appease older players who are familiar with game mechanics, or entice new players who aren't and don't want to be curbstomped?


    I've been saying this for well over a decade now. Probably around the time we got Bushido, as some type of super-flanking ability. Just a few years after that, they gave us Vanishing over Fading. I didn't just notice this last week. Like you, I've been on this site for sometime, and you probably could go back and find me saying similar things to this years ago.

    However, I think todays magic uses keywords unnecessarily. Take stuff like Manifest, Inspired, and Exploit. They all seem like simple enough abilities that they could just be written out. Take Exploit for example, it showed up on 10 cards, why even bother? Plenty of creatures read something like [When "" enters the battlefield, do 'this'].
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Has Magic become too bloated for its own good?
    Quote from Morphling »
    I play kitchen table duels with an L2 every week and just last night, he was teling me there's over 120 Keyword or otherwise-named abilities now and these take up over HALF the comprehensive rulebook now. With no end in sight..

    That really does feel pretty bloated.


    This is exactly what I thought of when I read the title of the thread. Today's Magic seems to be all about keywords. Instead of developing previous keywords, each new set has a new keyword, for the sake of having a new one. I really wish WotC would go back and start expanding on previous keywords and stop introducing new ones. Stuff like Phasing, Rampage, Gravestorm, Flanking, among others, could use some expanding on and polishing. Even good ones like Changeling haven't been seen in a decade....


    I mean look at all of them. I've been playing since the 1990's and couldn't tell you what a lot of them do.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Magic:_The_Gathering_keywords
    Posted in: Magic General
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