Since i don't think we can do anything about the new rules change, we might as well live with it.
i think some cards will shift massively in value due to this change. the purpose of this thread will be to then figure which cards would change in terms of its value.
personally, i think the biggest effect in standard would be on dauntless escort.
for legacy decks i prefer using the oldest version of the card i can afford in black border. meaning no beta duals. seems to fit the flavour more of a legacy* level planeswalker.
for standard i'll always try to use the newest version. so even though i have 4xterminate of the invasion block, i prefer using the reborn art for my standard decks.
so for cards like reflecting pool, i tend to prefer using the newer version. since i dont use reflecting pool in legacy anyway.
i guess magic is doomed to be a game with tremendous flavours whose books is seldom able to live up to its fans hype. could possibly be due to our high expectations though.
i must honestly say i'm disappointed that Alara Unbroken really ended up broken. i had so high hopes for a good story.
i really do hope they come up with the next good magic novel though.
i do feel that AOA is one of the better magic books around. i actually bought the hardcover from my local bookstore, no jace promo cards though. i guess they dont ship that overseas.
i think this book will set the standard for other planeswalker novels, as well as perhaps give the backdrop to it all.
i haven read alara unbroken, but from what i heard, they bolas seemed to have drop significantly in intelligence from AOA to alara unbroken.
AOA actually portrayed bolas well imho.
and yea, i'm a jace fan. so any book depiciting jace as the good guy is a plus for me.
Milling the top ten is very different than milling the bottom ten. Ignorance (as it would be in this case, as you wouldn't know the difference between top ten vs. bottom ten) is no excuse, but different cards ARE being thrown around. These cards are those that the opponent would've drawn into their next draw, so it -is- an important to the overall scheme of things. You would definately prefer to mill their bottom ten, as opposed to top ten now and then, if you could actively decide with any degree of knowledge.
The only immediate impact of milling is letting you know what ISN'T in your oppnent's deck. This, mind you, is very different than knowing what IS in your opponent's deck. Regardless, MD Head Games and SB Thought Hemorrhage allow as much to begin with.
As far as your "problem", I truly believe it is one you create for yourself. There is more than enough support for a solid control strategy with a mill win con, and I've proven as much in playing, and winning (albeit on a less-than adequate stage to satisfy your needs, but I digress). The fact that you list unplayable garbage like Necrogenesis makes me wonder if you sincerely WANT this type of deck to work to begin with. If that is your idea of "support", then I should pray this type of deck NEVER has enough "support".
if the deck is sufficiently randomized, which i have to assume is the case, mathematically, what you end up milling on the top ten is just as likely as what you would mill on the bottom ten. sure, he may draw into the card the next turn, and the odds of that is just as likely as him drawing the exact same card after you mill ten cards.
how would you know what isnt in your opponents deck to an exact certainty when you mill? lets say i mill the top 10 cards on faerie deck. i dont see a jace. would i really know that their deck has no jace?
necrogenesis was just an example of a card that allows your opponents graveyard to be an added resource as well. lets assume that instead of putting a 1/1 token into play, it says "pay 2mana, remove target instant or sorcery card from opponents graveyard, you draw a card". This is the type of support card that i am referring to. the fact that you claim that cards like necrogenesis is garbage, only goes to further show that such support that can help mill strategies arent good enough.
lets just say that i agree with your point that there are enough cards to support, which i dont, then why hasnt mill been strong enough to consistently go even with the metagame? in all of magic's long history, how many times has milling (brain freeze doesnt count) been successful enough to even be tier 1.5?
dont get me wrong. ever since i've played with millstone, i've loved mill decks. i've build glimpse decks in ravinca, and i've also played with sanity granding decks, and i also still intend to build decks using nemesis of reason and mind's funeral.
my point is, that milling has seldom gathered enough synergetic support cards in a single environment to truly be competitive.
i think some cards will shift massively in value due to this change. the purpose of this thread will be to then figure which cards would change in terms of its value.
personally, i think the biggest effect in standard would be on dauntless escort.
any thought?
any suggestions on good generals?
maybe sedris?
thanks dudes!
for legacy decks i prefer using the oldest version of the card i can afford in black border. meaning no beta duals. seems to fit the flavour more of a legacy* level planeswalker.
for standard i'll always try to use the newest version. so even though i have 4xterminate of the invasion block, i prefer using the reborn art for my standard decks.
so for cards like reflecting pool, i tend to prefer using the newer version. since i dont use reflecting pool in legacy anyway.
when you summon a planeswalker to your side, he's there based on loyalty points. so if there are no longer any loyalty points, he leaves.
maelstrom pulse destroys. so does it mean the physical representation of summoned planeswalker is destroyed?
bradywalkers are now unable to take any shape at will. once destroyed, they die. so does it mean that when i maelstrom pulse a planeswalker, he dies?
and if so, how can i even cast him again? (seeing that he is destroyed?)
i played with 16 lands and 2 border posts and a trace and found myself mana flooded.
i must honestly say i'm disappointed that Alara Unbroken really ended up broken. i had so high hopes for a good story.
i really do hope they come up with the next good magic novel though.
you lost me after the 4th target. that'll do well for its flavour text though. haha.
if you're going for cheap stuff you can perhaps look at necktraals, maybe dauthi slayers.
if you're willing to pay for more maybe hypnotic specters dark confidants.
after playing magic for a long time, a turn one dark ritual followed by a hypnotic specter is still quite scary.
i think this book will set the standard for other planeswalker novels, as well as perhaps give the backdrop to it all.
i haven read alara unbroken, but from what i heard, they bolas seemed to have drop significantly in intelligence from AOA to alara unbroken.
AOA actually portrayed bolas well imho.
and yea, i'm a jace fan. so any book depiciting jace as the good guy is a plus for me.
theres really nothing as lovely as a 1st turn ritual hyppie.
i think for the demonic deck, adding in diabolic edict, innocent blood, or even liege of the pit can be nice.
i do think the divine deck is a little overpowered.
1stly, its mono blue.
2ndly, Jace's ultimate is milling, so is the decks win con
3rd, the deck draws alot of cards. so does jace.
how about other planeswalkers?
i can only imagine how your opponent must be seething that such a noob can beat them. lol.
imagine yourself at the top 8, and playing like that. lol.
right now, the only plausible mill decks will have to be control in nature. wherein lies the problem of a lack of good support.
if the deck is sufficiently randomized, which i have to assume is the case, mathematically, what you end up milling on the top ten is just as likely as what you would mill on the bottom ten. sure, he may draw into the card the next turn, and the odds of that is just as likely as him drawing the exact same card after you mill ten cards.
how would you know what isnt in your opponents deck to an exact certainty when you mill? lets say i mill the top 10 cards on faerie deck. i dont see a jace. would i really know that their deck has no jace?
necrogenesis was just an example of a card that allows your opponents graveyard to be an added resource as well. lets assume that instead of putting a 1/1 token into play, it says "pay 2mana, remove target instant or sorcery card from opponents graveyard, you draw a card". This is the type of support card that i am referring to. the fact that you claim that cards like necrogenesis is garbage, only goes to further show that such support that can help mill strategies arent good enough.
lets just say that i agree with your point that there are enough cards to support, which i dont, then why hasnt mill been strong enough to consistently go even with the metagame? in all of magic's long history, how many times has milling (brain freeze doesnt count) been successful enough to even be tier 1.5?
dont get me wrong. ever since i've played with millstone, i've loved mill decks. i've build glimpse decks in ravinca, and i've also played with sanity granding decks, and i also still intend to build decks using nemesis of reason and mind's funeral.
my point is, that milling has seldom gathered enough synergetic support cards in a single environment to truly be competitive.