I was going to post through this forum a lot of facts from the bible and how they all fit into the logic of things and how it works against your opinion and arguments and does that work or does it not and all that. Now I speak as a christian the thing I should have done instead of dissect your arguments and opinions and all that in the name of logic. I will only, from now on and for the purposes of learning; and for the benefit of the other persons learning teach about the bible in logical and "rational form" the way I want it to be done unto me ;), note that I try not to make argument but try and keep peace. I only try because I don't want to harm others. I wish that it meant I can speak in freedom but as Christ has said "Go forth and spread the word of God." not belittle peoples arguments in a hard-boiled egg. While this may be extreme please note that I only wish to serve God and the Bible for I believe them to be of truth, God bless and amen.
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Except the arguments don't actually have anything to do with age by itself, I'm really not sure how you're not getting that provenance and age aren't the same thing. While yes, 'too young to be real' is a stupid statement, in general being a closer to an event means there is more evidence. This is important for the follow-up that you dismissed, so disconnect from the earlier statement and actually pay attention to what I'm writing now.
the point is that God is a real thing and a spirit, whether you like it or not and because it is a real thing and that people are not ready to follow it. People will say this.
Christianity is unappealing because it is unproven. The gap of, "divinity is a possibility" to "My interpretation of divinity is correct" is just too large for me to accept. Which is the major issue I have with most Creationist (Theistic) arguments in general.
That is why we listen to Jesus. He's been through all of this doubt. He even preaches faith.
No. . ., what you said even though sarcastic is 100% correct, that everything he came from no matter what the base outline was came from the Bible. LOOK WHAT HE SAID!
"Having said that I have no doubt believing the story of creation and holding it in much more regard that our "scientific" facts revolving around the theory of evolution."
I am agreeingto that andi say that it is ALLtrue, all of it.
The book IS actually infallable if anyone has ever tried to analyze it from a christian perspective, I'veread on here that Jesus is lying or something or other but really it's true. "I break my body" or something of other text is a message that states to them, I give my body to you and that means that he is symbolically giving his "body" to them. Whatever his body does is a fact of life. note that, a "fact" of "Life", that means that he is giving them something of a "divine" human being. Understand that and i see no fallacy behind it.
I bring that up and theorize that every literal part in the bible is creating a fallacy of some sorts for intellectual purposes. It isn't a how-to God; it is good words. I also need to note that Peters body is actually "the rock of Gibraltar" or however you spell it, because his body is literally the foundations of the VATICAN! HIS BODY IS UNDERNEATH THE FREAKING VATICAN!
Also, as much as God would love for all of his creation to be with him and be a human being with capable brains of Adam, Eve, and Jesus Christ I think it's safe to assume that all of us and everything else that reads a bible has to have an open mind. Toooo open.
@highroller : "Yes, and James is saying one requires works to be saved, and Paul is saying you don't.
Therefore, if Paul is taking the perspective of how God views salvation, James is disagreeing with Paul and God.
Thus, you are saying that James is disagreeing with God."
So, if that's right then that means that it was James' opinion? Or maybe his view? Maybe it doesn't contradict each other in a certain way? I don't think you're thinking of it.
There are differences yes but between them there is truth, don't you see that?
"If so, then you disagree with James. For James said, "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.""
but if you disagree then that means that there is a different opinion, is it not? I Think so, for there is much more reward in faith in work than work in faith, is it not? I assume that.
"No. He is saying someone is only saved through works, not faith alone."
what did he actually in the context in the bible have him say?
God is light, God is a spirit, God is everything from the alpha to the omega, He is good for it is written that he is? This is true because not only is it written but because if He is real and that if He made everything and if everything is OK, is it not OK?
I've often wondered why Christians believed that God was an advocate for free will. Even when I was Christian, the bible made it clear that He was in direct opposition to it. If a deity demands that you do X or burn forever, it's absurd to consider that free will. Choosing an ice cream flavor is free will, but having a gun put up to your head and being told what to do and what not to do is not.
And just in case there was any confusion about whether or not God really did promote free will, that was cleared up with comments about how he 'hardened the heart' of the pharaoh and others to influence their decisions.
you have to realize that everything you are doing is of free-will. any talk that may use oiut of our mouths is an example of a will of freedom. there is no thought to it. there is the freedom. that is a free. it all makes sense. that is freedom.
I imagine that a misunderstanding of the Bible is the reason of your dilemma, I read the bible so many times, not once in any analysis that I must note that you HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. Note that, the words. HAVE. TO. DO. IT. people die all the time, nobody actually does care.
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That is why we listen to Jesus. He's been through all of this doubt. He even preaches faith.
I am agreeingto that andi say that it is ALLtrue, all of it.
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I bring that up and theorize that every literal part in the bible is creating a fallacy of some sorts for intellectual purposes. It isn't a how-to God; it is good words. I also need to note that Peters body is actually "the rock of Gibraltar" or however you spell it, because his body is literally the foundations of the VATICAN! HIS BODY IS UNDERNEATH THE FREAKING VATICAN!
Also, as much as God would love for all of his creation to be with him and be a human being with capable brains of Adam, Eve, and Jesus Christ I think it's safe to assume that all of us and everything else that reads a bible has to have an open mind. Toooo open.
but is that it means that it isn't the only way possible for him to be repented, saved but also not condemned?
Therefore, if Paul is taking the perspective of how God views salvation, James is disagreeing with Paul and God.
Thus, you are saying that James is disagreeing with God."
So, if that's right then that means that it was James' opinion? Or maybe his view? Maybe it doesn't contradict each other in a certain way? I don't think you're thinking of it.
There are differences yes but between them there is truth, don't you see that?
"If so, then you disagree with James. For James said, "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.""
but if you disagree then that means that there is a different opinion, is it not? I Think so, for there is much more reward in faith in work than work in faith, is it not? I assume that.
"No. He is saying someone is only saved through works, not faith alone."
what did he actually in the context in the bible have him say?
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to put it in good terms, there is One God.
you have to realize that everything you are doing is of free-will. any talk that may use oiut of our mouths is an example of a will of freedom. there is no thought to it. there is the freedom. that is a free. it all makes sense. that is freedom.
I imagine that a misunderstanding of the Bible is the reason of your dilemma, I read the bible so many times, not once in any analysis that I must note that you HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. Note that, the words. HAVE. TO. DO. IT. people die all the time, nobody actually does care.