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  • posted a message on Temporary State of the Meta Thread (Rules Update 7/17/17)
    So trying to figure how an unban chain could break out, i'm going to present a couple of questions.

    Even though all cards in the banlist inspire some fear in me(especially after Valakut and Golgari Grave Troll) i think the consensus right now is that Bloodbraid Elf is safe for unban, and i'm going to take that train.

    Could a BBE unban alone be the key to unban all the fair Midrange cards in the banlist? Especially Jace, which seems to be dangerous IF it's unbanned alone as
    it could make Blue midrange the only midrange(Jace definitely doesn't help against most of the blazing-fast Modern environment). BBE first could be a test of how things fare up with a 4 CMC card that prove to be very powerful in a slower and older format, but was never really that dominant by itself.
    After BBE, if it turns to be true that it is indeed safe, Jace seems natural to unban too as BBE+Jace could be a good balance between Midrange archetypes in Modern, assuming BBE is actually GOOD against JTMS.

    After those two unbans, SFM could enter the talk. Actually, i think SFM is the best of all 3 cards(in a Modern environment) because of how powerfuf it could be against the agressive decks like Affinity and Burn. In my theory, if BBE and Jace are fine, the chances of SFM being super broken are slim. There's also the fact that BBE and SFM particularly become better as more cards enter the game. Is BBE into SFM too good???

    I didn't go into full detail about how those cards could warp the metagame in a bad way or a good way. Just wanted to present those as food for thought.
    Basically the premise revolves around: Taking the first danger step, unban 1)Bloodbraid Elf then 2)JTMS then 3)SFM. And this should be the order for danger of entering the format too.

    I want to conclude this by saying that after yesterday's explanation about Modern, i'm very confident that they will unban Bloodbraid Elf after the PT. If BBE doesn't met their criteria and proves too powerful in testing, then banlist is locked for the foreseeable future.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Temporary State of the Meta Thread (Rules Update 7/17/17)
    Thanks for the heads up, i thought it was tomorrow too.

    Regarding the very interesting and productive conversation about Banlist you were having, i have some thoughts too.
    Modern is healthier than the people make it out to be. Yes, it's mostly dominated by uninteractive decks, but that's Modern 80% of its life, combo decks(aggro and spell based-classic) have always been the best archetypes and those do not want to interact.

    Setting aside that point i think the Banlist could use some change for the better. I'm not sure they are necessary though.
    -The scenario where Grapeshot/PIF,Temple/Chalice,DS/SW are getting hammered is basically imposible. I don't think that's never the direction they want to take and after the Standard fiasco that was last season i don't think they will recur to triple bans or double bans for some time.
    -There is a scenario where they unban BBE to compensate the lack of Midrange in the top Tier of the format, and that change by now seems very logical, EVEN if i have a also logical fear of BBE+AV being a potential problem.
    -SFM alone is still a no-go. The card itself inserts herself in the Tier 2 of the format to combat Eldrazi and Shadow(?) but in reality, i think Eldrazi Tron players will move to their old Bant Eldrazi and jam SFM themselves. I'm not saying it WILL happen but it's a concern when you think of the obejective of the unban.
    -Lastly as much as i like Splinter Twin myself, i think Splinter Twin and Jace, the Mind Sculptor are NOT safe for unbans yet. They might be at some point in the future with new printings and meta shifts, but they are too risky to even take the chance.

    This is my opinion and it's a little biased of course.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Temporary State of the Meta Thread (Rules Update 7/17/17)
    Also, i want to say that i prefer to live in a world where the best combo decks are the ones that the combo is a backdoor to nonsense like Pod and Twin.

    Jeff Hoogland, a person who hasn't made a lot of friends in the Modern community, wrote an article a few months ago talking about which cards he would unban.
    http://www.gatheringmagic.com/jeffhoogland-09082017-modern-musings/
    I know some are a stretch, like TC and DTT. But I'll be honest, i prefer to have those in the format and people fighting long fights and T3 combos being inherently worse than live in a combo-less Modern or maybe even this Modern format of GDS,Valakut,ETron,etc.

    I really hope the guys who where hired recently test a bit and come to a conclusion about which direction is better. My gut tells me it's being closer to no-banlist than huge-banlist.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Temporary State of the Meta Thread (Rules Update 7/17/17)
    Yeah, i feel that unbanning cards makes the format more powerful and goes directly against their goals for it.

    I always say, that Modern problems come from Combo being too good. The rest are just symptoms of this. I'm not saying Combo shouldn't exist, but it should be a little less good so less games resolve around trash cards like Chalice of the Void and first 8 cards, SB roulette, etc.

    Sadly, i think the only direct way of fixing this is by banning combo decks(instead of consitency tools). i.e: Banning Grapeshot,Valakut,Mox Opal, etc.
    Either way goes against format goals(Shorter banlist and be different form Standrad and Legacy respectively).

    GDS is still the good guy in my eyes. I wouldn't be opposed to opening the floodgates(SFM,BBE,Jace,etc). I would rather this than banning all combo decks.
    The best option of course is better answers for fair decks against combo decks. If Legacy is and example of anything, you see how difficult is to regulate combo decks without warping the whole format(Fair=Blue). And even then, combo decks are super good in Legacy.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Temporary State of the Meta Thread (Rules Update 7/17/17)
    I'm not going to nitpick anything you said, but i think there's one particular point you make that justs neglects reality.
    "Probe was solidly Turn 4 Rule, but really strangely targeted. The main driving force for consistent, early kills was specifically Become Immense... not Probe. Yeah, Probe gave information, but decks like Infect were already more than capable of T2 or T3 killing before that anyway. It only became a problem when BI was helping them do it more consistently, and another deck (also running BI) was also wildly popular and strong. Several on-camera T2 and 3 kills don't help, especially with big names on GP streams playing <5 turns across a 3-game match."

    Why do you only talk about DS Zoo and Infect when there was another clear violator of the T3 rule that didn't play Become Immense? UR Prowess was a very good deck and many players lastly opted to play that instead of the 2 aforementioned. The common denominator? Gitaxian Probe. All 3 decks abused it by enabling their most broken and explosive draws. That ban was really a great call by WOTC, even if Fatal Push was entering the format and COULD have mitigated the obnoxious speed of the format, ultimately that card is poorly designed and it would have been a much worse problem later.

    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Lists look good. Do you actually think Opt is better than Serum Visions in GDS? Because i think it's not even better than Sleight in GDS.
    GDS doesn't work like a Delver deck, it works like a Jund deck with Delver if you will.

    I can see the first list being a thing though. At least it work more on the principle of "Counters>Discard" so all the Opt being an instant thing actually serves some purpose.

    My guess and bet is that, unless a more Delverish(less focused on grinding, more focused on Tempo) list becomes popular, Sleight will be the 3rd Cantrip of choice over Opt in classic GDS builds like todays. Serum Visions will still be a 4-of in every GDS build regardless of Opt being good or not.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Temporary State of the Meta Thread (Rules Update 7/17/17)
    Not only that Probe was a good ban(which admittedly thought it was unneccesary back then) but it could also be banned in Legacy before seeing the light of Modern again. The criteria WOTC used for the ban was correct and a good understanding of the effect Gitaxian Probe presents on formats. It really does too much for too litlle cost.
    Cfusion is right that Probe wasn't particularly problematic before Become Immense, but after KTK, it clearly reached its full potential and became problematic in 2016, when 3 Top Tier decks where using it to kill on T3 consistently through disruption, and all 3 where basically a different flavor of the same deck.

    Control is certainly in a good spot right now(because of Death's Shadow). The metagame is being kind to it and its taking advantage. I still believe a pure reactive deck like the UW that took the Classic yesterday can't really Top 8 the GP without major help from the matchup roulette.

    It will be really interesting to see how WOTC handles the format come Pro Tour Rivals of Ixalan. I still believe they can ban Shadow/Wraith and no one will be surprised. Against a format completely adapted to it, it still puts several copies in the Top 8. I guess it doesn't do it by comboing so that's good.

    EDIT:Correcting spelling mistakes.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Yeah i was pretty hyped about Opt but in GDS it's just better to stay with SV and Scour and if you go for the Sleight route, then you MIGHT want to cut those for Opt but it's not very clear really.

    The only good thing about Opt is that it's and instant, apart from that it digs less than every other used cantrip in Modern. Maybe control, like Think Twice decks could want it. I think Serum Visions is plain better since it fixes our draws and dig deeper for what could be missing from our hand, being Lands,Threats or interaction. I lose plenty of games as Grixis Shadow because of not finding a threat or a second land in time. Cantrips are there to mitigate that and i'm afraid Opt is not better at that job than our previous options.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    I think you should check other pros and players SB plan against ETron. Sleight doesn't seem to accomplish much cutting them since they smooth your deck and you already should bring some hate against Chalice.

    Mixing it up with gm_jack and the YP talk, i tested it a bunch of games and it wasn't impressive at all, just ok. Following the premise of YP inclusion in GDS, i just think particualrly against Eldrazi it's just better to fight their hate with shatter effects and whatnot. By Force, Explosives, Rejection, have carried me more often than not. YP might be another angle of attack against everyones hate but it's fragile. Eldrzi will just run over him with Smasher and Endbringer, Walking Ballista, or they will just demolish your board with All is Dust.

    Like most other matchups, they best route is Big Shadow after several Thoughtseizes. Also, removal has to be used in a purely proactive way, don't save Termiantes for big dumb fatties, clear the way for your threats to punch and get them low so they are constrained. Their late game is better than ours because of Tron lands and huge Ballistas. Those are my 2cents in regard of the Etron matchup.

    To round up the YP discussion, i don't love the card but i could see it working just fine as a hedge in heavy Death's Shadow/BGx metas against Lotv. He is somewhat soft to Lili Last Hope though. My gut feeling is that it's better to play around hate with strong hands and tight play rather than playing threats that dodge GY hate. I will testing him a little more surely and whatever i extract from the experience i will report back here.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Esper is a pure trap since Red is actually the better SB color right now(at least for DS archetypes). You don't get RIP and a good sweeper plus Lingering Souls isn't really that good imo. It's an attrition mirror breaker but it's rather too slow in matchups DS struggles like Go wide aggro. I think the meta is being mean to you because Termiante and Kommand are very good cards in open metagames.

    Eldrazi tron is a very hard matchup in my experience(which is a LOT of matches since my brother owns the deck and it's his only one). Chalice wrecks you hard. Matter Reshaper is annoying, their late game is better because of potential Ulamogs and Walking Ballistas, and MB Relics are a beating. Post board more Relics and Hangarback Walker make the matchup very skill intensive. I'm still looking for a good plan against them, TBR and shatter effects, Young Pyromancer, Rejection(this is a must anyways) and LOTV. I haven't found the best strategy this far, although a good plan for the matchup is playing aggro, drop Shadows fast after several Thoughtseizes and try to make them 6/6 ASAP. Post board the same apllies only that you have Ceremonious Rejection that if they don't have Cavern or Chalice out you will win backing it up with Snapcaster.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Yeah, i've been talking to some other GDS players in my community and they agree that cutting Stubborn Denial(even from the MB) is kind of crazy. This is obviosuly based on pure results. Denial has been a staple in every winning list and his Jundy list is more of a testing build(or at least he hasn't put any tangible result with it). Again, i like his premise but that doesn't make it right. I feel that Denial fills a role that might not be so crystal clear, but having the ability of playing protect the queen+defending against random nonsense is huge in this format. I always feels busted to me.

    Ultimately, like most Modern decisions, it should be a pure metacall, i don't think cutting Denial entirely from the deck or even the MB is correct. If you expect a lot of Control, Mirrors and attrition based matchups then being more proactive could be better. Only testing can know.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    The article is great. Although there are some things about his choices that i donĀ“t particularly agree with. 3 Lilis in the MB seems too much since Liliana is actually bad against out hardest matchups(Go wide aggro in all its forms) and it's been pretty medium against Eldrazi in my experience(contrary to what he claims). Matter Reshaper is good against her and Reality Smasher/Walking Ballista are superb too.
    I'm not sure i want to shave all Stubborn Denials from the MB since they have won me so many games i can't even count them. Having random protection against topdecked nonsense and whatnot has been excellent for me, and i think cutting Stubbys from the MB will make our combo matchup worse by a margin(not wide since cutting Denials comes with an uptick of IOK).
    3 Snapcasters can work just fine since i often find 2 of them stranded in my hand or scrying them to the bottom. I don't mind having 3 or 4.

    PVs premise seems coherent. You win more matchups by being Jundy instead of being Grixish(?). Being more proactive could be better. I think i will test his list and come back to report my learnings.
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Has someone tested the +1 Sleight -1 Blood Crypt build? I have a couple of games with it and from a mana base standpoint i haven't had any issues yet, which certainly feels good since you flood less often.

    From the Danny Jessup list at the SCG Open, i only have trouble with 2 Flaying Tendrils and 2 TBR in the SB. I'm very close to taking a similar list to his to the GP but i fear that being non conventional comes back to bite me after a lot of rounds.
    List for reference: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/723542#paper
    Posted in: Tier 1 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Temporary State of the Meta Thread (Rules Update 7/17/17)
    E Tron looking bad huh? People talking about banning DS while Eldrazi Top 8s every tournament and nobody notices it.

    At this point is clear that there's no clear best deck in Modern right? Death's Shadow is very good and a little pushed and so is Affinity and Eldrazi.

    I prefer to stay this way and not start the banning spiral.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Temporary State of the Meta Thread (Rules Update 7/17/17)
    I'm Not sure where the Pact of Negation theories come from but Force and Pact have only in common their color.

    Pact doesn't let you counter spells from T0 like Fow does.
    Force certainly makes its way into fair decks too, which could make it more symetrical but still way better than Pact in all decks.
    Posted in: Modern
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