I don't think it would be great in hatebears as the only thing we can really make leave the battlefield is ghost quarter. It sounds good in Death and Taxes or Eldrazi and Taxes because you have Vial, Displacer, and Flickerwisp.
Actually, When you blink it with displacer, it left the battlefield, so it WILL trigger revolt.
Yeah, but hatebears doesn't run Eldrazi Displacer. Death and Taxes (or Eldrazi and Taxes) does, which was my point. In hatebears we only can trigger Revolt with Ghost Quarter or having one of our attackers die. In Death and Taxes, Rallier could be good.
I've been playing Nacatl Burn, but now with Fatal Push released, considering going back to Naya catless. Anyone else thought about the effect of Fatal Push on burn?
I don't think it would be great in hatebears as the only thing we can really make leave the battlefield is ghost quarter. It sounds good in Death and Taxes or Eldrazi and Taxes because you have Vial, Displacer, and Flickerwisp.
I'm glad we agree that voice is still good. Burn and combo are big in my meta so I'm opting for 4 Thalias. Thalia, Heretic Cathar has been very good for me as well. It shuts down Kiki-Chord and Goryo's partially, and is great for racing since the opponent can't block with the creatures they put into play that turn. We'll see if she works better with the Wilt-Leaf build which seems better for racing right now. Worst matchups before sideboarding still seem to be more combo/aggro decks like infect and affinity. Against infect I side in Sunlance, Spellskite, and Blessed Alliance and stuff like Scooze comes out. Blue decks are still fairly prevalent in my meta so Choke remains in the sideboard.
Chalice is an artifact we have plenty of answers at 2cmc like Smash to Smithereens.
Except Chalice is showing up in the maindeck of these decks, so you can get screwed by Chalice in the first game and then you have to hit the hate the next 2 games.
Maindeck Chalice is nothing to sneeze at.
I agree, if eldrazi keeps running it maindeck and if affinity stays on top of the format it maybe worth maindecking Smash to Smithereens. Almost every deck runs artifacts of some kind if not it's a easy sb out card.
probably better to main deck DRev and have some spare smash in the side
I don't like maindecking any sideboard cards as you don't want to have any dead cards game one.
Has anyone else found Wilt-Leaf Liege to underperform lately? I find that it is the card that I side out the most often. I think it's pretty much a remnant from the days when Jund and Junk were the decks to beat. I'm considering Thought-Knot Seer as it can be cast just as easily, as I have 9 lands main that can tap for C (4 GQ, which I probably won't have out-let's be honest, 2 Tec Edge, and 3 Brushland to accomodate the new meta which is more aggressive and to accomodate Thought-Knot Seer vs. Horizon Canopy). I currently run 2 Wilt-Leaf Lieges as my 4-drops so I would be replacing them with Seers.
Has anyone tested them? I tried them out as a 3-of just to see how they worked out and liked the additional disruption they provided us. I don't really like any of the oath cards like reality smasher or matter reshaper for this deck as they don't really "hate" on anything and are just a beater.
EDIT: After goldfishing for a few hours, I can't cast Thought-Knot Seer very consistently in the deck. Back to Wilt-Leaf Liege for now.
Archangel is ok in that she is hard to kill and flying, which we don't have a lot of. Unfortunately Twin can still get around it by using the last creature to tap it down and then swing with a million dudes. However, I am sticking with three 4-drops main: 2 Wilt-Leaf Liege and 1 Thrun, as I have a very control heavy meta (which this deck does pretty good in, as it's mostly Grixis). I've been able to put a creature in with the discard from Kolaghans Command a bunch of times.
I'd drop the Windswept Heaths now. There is really no reason to be running them and they can screw you over. Just run two more Razorverge Thicket instead.
I'd encourage that everyone try out Dromoka's Command. I run 4 Path to Exile and 2 Dromoka's Command in the main as my noncreature spells. I run an additional one in the side. I use the fight with +1/+1 counter option most often. It's nice to have an additional removal spell. It's also great against red sweepers and burn. Relevant enchantments to remove are Eidolon of the Great Revel, Courser of Kruphix, Splinter Twin in response to an activation, and enchantments against Bogles.
To make room for the commands I cut my Birds of Paradise, so I just have 4 Noble Hierarchs as my mana dorks.
Yeah, but hatebears doesn't run Eldrazi Displacer. Death and Taxes (or Eldrazi and Taxes) does, which was my point. In hatebears we only can trigger Revolt with Ghost Quarter or having one of our attackers die. In Death and Taxes, Rallier could be good.
4 Temple Garden
4 Razorverge Thicket
3 Horizon Canopy
4 Ghost Quarter
2 Stirring Wildwood
2 Forest
2 Plains
2 Gavony Township
Spells (6)
4 Path to Exile
2 Dromoka's Command
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Voice of Resurgence
4 Scavenging Ooze
4 Loxodon Smiter
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Wilt-Leaf Liege
3 Stony Silence
2 Rest in Peace
2 Spellskite
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Choke
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
2 Sunlance
I'm glad we agree that voice is still good. Burn and combo are big in my meta so I'm opting for 4 Thalias. Thalia, Heretic Cathar has been very good for me as well. It shuts down Kiki-Chord and Goryo's partially, and is great for racing since the opponent can't block with the creatures they put into play that turn. We'll see if she works better with the Wilt-Leaf build which seems better for racing right now. Worst matchups before sideboarding still seem to be more combo/aggro decks like infect and affinity. Against infect I side in Sunlance, Spellskite, and Blessed Alliance and stuff like Scooze comes out. Blue decks are still fairly prevalent in my meta so Choke remains in the sideboard.
I feel like ever since Scapeshift, Tron, and Chord decks have been weakened in this meta it has not felt great lately.
As far as Wilt-Leaf Liege, it has only been good for me in Jund/Junk heavy metas (which this isn't).
I feel like we need to be lower to the ground and faster in this meta to even play this deck. I've gone up to 7 Thalias in the main.
Is the Eldrazi and Taxes version of this deck just better at this point? And why? Should we be playing Thought-Knot Seer and Brushlands?
Just a few thoughts I've had recently.
Also Blessed Alliance is amazing in the side, great against burn, boggles, infect, suicide zoo.
I don't like maindecking any sideboard cards as you don't want to have any dead cards game one.
I don't like running dead cards in the main, so probably not.
Has anyone tested them? I tried them out as a 3-of just to see how they worked out and liked the additional disruption they provided us. I don't really like any of the oath cards like reality smasher or matter reshaper for this deck as they don't really "hate" on anything and are just a beater.
EDIT: After goldfishing for a few hours, I can't cast Thought-Knot Seer very consistently in the deck. Back to Wilt-Leaf Liege for now.
To make room for the commands I cut my Birds of Paradise, so I just have 4 Noble Hierarchs as my mana dorks.