The new tech for Hogaak is Hedron Crab. It's pretty good. Like, still disturbingly good, according to the guy who 5-0'd FNM with it last night, and put 20 power into play by turn 2 against me.
So what the hell is happening with Wrenn and Six? It was like 40€ in the morning here in Europe and right now it's at 60€ minimum..
i mean its gotta be jund right? a beloved archetype gets a shot in the arm from a mythic walker with 3-4 copies showing up in lists. people eat that stuff up
I believe it was only a 1 off in the Jund winning list so that's why I'm a bit surprised by that.
So what the hell is happening with Wrenn and Six? It was like 40€ in the morning here in Europe and right now it's at 60€ minimum..
Lifts Jund up out of the garbage fire it spent much of the last few years in. Combined with Seasoned Pyromancer and the new Canopy land, Jund got a lot of good upgrades from Horizon. Wrenn specifically is a mythic and a 2 drop from a limited set that wasn't opened much. So if it sees any play, its price will skyrocket.
WOTC does whatever they want, whenever they want, for whatever reasons they want. Consistency over time has all but completely evaporated. We give them far too much credit for doing anything beyond looking at spreadsheets of MTGO data, GP Top 8s, and decklist name comparisons. They do whatever they were going to do, then hand-waive some mumbo jumbo (which can change at any time for any reason) to support whatever that is.
"Our goal is not to eliminate graveyard strategies from the Modern metagame, but rather to weaken this version of the graveyard combo archetype that has proven too powerful for other decks to reasonably adapt to."
I take this as a shot at people asking for looting to be banned. You are perfectly capable of adapting to looting decks. You just want dad to punish everyone else for playing them. LONG LIVE FAITHLESS LOOTING!!!
I just wish they would stop being coy about it.
But I look forward to our Dredge and Phoenix overlords taking back their rightful thrones!
It's just very telling by the lack of even a warning, much less an infraction for flaming or trolling on Earthbound's post, which has been up 13 hours and a moderator has already come in to scold us, of all people. So that means they easily could have taken action and didn't. Meanwhile that post is comfortably upvoted 6 times. I guess I just want to expect more moderation consistency than WOTC shows for their banned list. Maybe it's just best this place does die and we start over elsewhere.
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14 hours and 8 upvotes. Still no red text.
15 hours and 9 upvotes. Still no red text.
I'll just say this Torpf. I've been personally attacked (as far as being attacked online on a forum goes lol) far more than most, and I've been the one eating the 'warnings'. Hell, one of the admin's on this site even has me blocked on Twitter and I've never spoken to them in my life.
The double standard's and bias is out of control around here, and thats why I've had to just put several people on ignore because they get away with it, and I never do.
Calling me out specifically like Earthbound does, when I dont think I've ever even conversed with him/her, and you just let people like gkourou snipe from the sideline over and over and people like Colt spout absolute NONSENSE for years with no repercussions?
1) Keep the discussions on the cards and the format, and DO NOT direct your criticisms at the users or WOTC. There are rules against Trolling, Flaming, and blatant format bashing. If you have problems with a users post(s), then report it rather than trying to address it yourself. No matter how good your intentions, you aren't making the situation any better.
2) The forum isn't shutting down, it was purchased by Magic Find and is operating as normal until they decide to do something with it as per the most recent announcement. Stay on topic, as it's just spam otherwise.
The below paragraph full of personal attacks and should be totally unacceptable. I have been personally banned for significantly less than what has been expressed here. It is disheartening and disturbing to see such praise from multiple users for a slew of personal attacks like this. I hope conduct like this will not be tolerated on MTGNexus, as it appears to continue to be OK here.
However, the people on these forums, idSurge and cfusionpm and the other handful of the rest of them that drive their agenda down peoples throats and parrot the same tired lines with their free time for the better part of the past ten years saying that Modern is awful and stifling meaningful discussion; You guys won't be missed. You've wasted all of your time, and by extensions a lot of our time with your regurgitated, entitled, petulant crap. The amount of pure garbage that the group of you used to domineer conversations that could have otherwise been productive is staggering, to say the least. Whatever platform you find yourselves on after this ship sinks, know that the lot of you are at least in part responsible for driving participation down and costing the website views purely to satiate your internet egos.
Earthbound, great post. Problem is that those people won't go away. They are just here to degrade the quality of the forums. And they are so vocal that nobody else can speak about nothing. It's all them and "Modern is bad". That's why they will keep getting banned over and over again.
Consider us the Faithless Looting of the forum then. Just ignore all the misery and pretend to tell yourself that everything is fine. You already do that with Modern itself.
It's really amazing how users can complain about having to read posts they don't like yet refuse to simply use the ignore function.
Yeah. It's equally amazing how people choose to invalidate the opinions of others, just because they aren't always positive or in lock-step with the group-think. And that, rather than simply ignore those dissenting opinions, these masochists seem to continually choose to provoke people which don't want to have the conversations with them anyway. It's a strange cycle for sure. The petty and childish comments know no bounds, and several people could definitely benefit from choosing to use the ignore button, instead of choosing to personally attack other users.
Either the rules that govern Modern matter, or they do not. Based on the negative reaction to bans over the past years, WOTC has decided that when it comes to Modern, rules simply don't matter anymore.
The turn 4 rule doesn't exist and battle of sideboard is a made-up thing to get rid of GGT (which itself was NEVER THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE, but instead was printing RIDICULOUSLY POWERFUL new enablers and payoffs, and then FFS, they had to go and add Creeping Chill. I'd rather play against GGT than Creeping Chill any ******* day.).
Now is a great time to quit magic actually. If one hates the format so much, it is a good time to cash out. If you really feel the format/game has sunk to some irreparable level cashing out and making your voice heard by not buying in is your best way to make your voice heard.
No it's not. Essentially none of the money I have spent on the game has been to Wizards. It has all been to third party, individual sellers; usually on eBay and TCG Player. Selling them would either be in bulk to an LGS with any large ticket items individually sold on eBay again. Who exactly is hearing that voice? It's just a bunch of trades and transactions between players for product already purchased from WOTC at some point.
I love the game, whether magic becomes battle cruiser magic or not, i still have my cubes and seriously i just roll with the format
Me too. Which is why I stick with it, even though it's awful. But it also means I have spent most of my efforts elsewhere. Namely Commander and D&D.
I would encourage wotc to look at actual numbers before pulling the trigger on bans. Bannings from ban mania only reduces their credibility as well as the health of the game.
Banmania has been in effect ever since they pulled the rug out on Twin, and has been reaffirmed multiple times due to the chaos of KLD Standard. It seems like they are almost purposely going out of their way to not ban things in Modern (and instead allow this ***** show of a format devolve into grave yard abuse and prison decks) in order to avoid the stigma they received after Twin and their multitude of sweeping Standard bans in 2017 and 2018.
And to top it all off, they piss on our legs and tell us it's raining by posting purposely-misleading decklist results of a non-representative meta for a format that doesn't exist in paper.
Onr thing i like recently with wotc's strategy is the more generous printing of hate cards. There should be more of these, to the point that the cards's monetory value is minimal as these are the safety valves of the format and should be readily accessible
I believed that too. All the way up until Teferi, Time Raveler and Narset, Parter of Veils. Both of those cards are abundantly obnoxious and terrible design mistakes. They do nothing but make gameplay worse. Throw in Karn, The Great Creator as well, as his goal is to literally lock players out of playing the game. These are all absolutely awful cards that create nothing but feelbad moments.
I quit playing during spoiler season for MH and it appears that all we got from this amazing format saving set was a brand new most broken deck in the format! Wow awesome job guys! I just played my first league in 2 months and even though I went 3/2 I think I'll just go right back to quitting again. This format just keeps getting worse.
According to several people, this is supposed to be "healthy" except for one deck. Your mileage may vary.
I'm glad I finally switched to Modern recently and I'm especially glad that my local game store's meta is pretty good, not too hardcore and lots of fun. Many different styles of decks and homebrew. It's awesome having access to so many cards and play against so many different styles of decks after coming from playing standard the last two years.
I'm really enjoying it, but the most hardcore level I get to is FNM hehe.
Modern is at its absolute best these days when people refuse to play the top decks. I used to enjoy an LGS like that and would give anything to have it back.
Lifts Jund up out of the garbage fire it spent much of the last few years in. Combined with Seasoned Pyromancer and the new Canopy land, Jund got a lot of good upgrades from Horizon. Wrenn specifically is a mythic and a 2 drop from a limited set that wasn't opened much. So if it sees any play, its price will skyrocket.
But I look forward to our Dredge and Phoenix overlords taking back their rightful thrones!
Also lots of words about Faithless Looting (and other things) here: http://www.starcitygames.com/articles/38840_Was-Banning-Bridge-From-Below-In-Modern-The-Right-Call.html
It's just very telling by the lack of even a warning, much less an infraction for flaming or trolling on Earthbound's post, which has been up 13 hours and a moderator has already come in to scold us, of all people. So that means they easily could have taken action and didn't. Meanwhile that post is comfortably upvoted 6 times. I guess I just want to expect more moderation consistency than WOTC shows for their banned list. Maybe it's just best this place does die and we start over elsewhere.
Edit:
14 hours and 8 upvotes. Still no red text.
15 hours and 9 upvotes. Still no red text.
The below paragraph full of personal attacks and should be totally unacceptable. I have been personally banned for significantly less than what has been expressed here. It is disheartening and disturbing to see such praise from multiple users for a slew of personal attacks like this. I hope conduct like this will not be tolerated on MTGNexus, as it appears to continue to be OK here.
Consider us the Faithless Looting of the forum then. Just ignore all the misery and pretend to tell yourself that everything is fine. You already do that with Modern itself.
Yeah. It's equally amazing how people choose to invalidate the opinions of others, just because they aren't always positive or in lock-step with the group-think. And that, rather than simply ignore those dissenting opinions, these masochists seem to continually choose to provoke people which don't want to have the conversations with them anyway. It's a strange cycle for sure. The petty and childish comments know no bounds, and several people could definitely benefit from choosing to use the ignore button, instead of choosing to personally attack other users.
I guess that's better than "we need to needlessly ruin people's decks to shake up the PT"?
The turn 4 rule doesn't exist and battle of sideboard is a made-up thing to get rid of GGT (which itself was NEVER THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE, but instead was printing RIDICULOUSLY POWERFUL new enablers and payoffs, and then FFS, they had to go and add Creeping Chill. I'd rather play against GGT than Creeping Chill any ******* day.).
No it's not. Essentially none of the money I have spent on the game has been to Wizards. It has all been to third party, individual sellers; usually on eBay and TCG Player. Selling them would either be in bulk to an LGS with any large ticket items individually sold on eBay again. Who exactly is hearing that voice? It's just a bunch of trades and transactions between players for product already purchased from WOTC at some point.
Me too. Which is why I stick with it, even though it's awful. But it also means I have spent most of my efforts elsewhere. Namely Commander and D&D.
Banmania has been in effect ever since they pulled the rug out on Twin, and has been reaffirmed multiple times due to the chaos of KLD Standard. It seems like they are almost purposely going out of their way to not ban things in Modern (and instead allow this ***** show of a format devolve into grave yard abuse and prison decks) in order to avoid the stigma they received after Twin and their multitude of sweeping Standard bans in 2017 and 2018.
And to top it all off, they piss on our legs and tell us it's raining by posting purposely-misleading decklist results of a non-representative meta for a format that doesn't exist in paper.
I believed that too. All the way up until Teferi, Time Raveler and Narset, Parter of Veils. Both of those cards are abundantly obnoxious and terrible design mistakes. They do nothing but make gameplay worse. Throw in Karn, The Great Creator as well, as his goal is to literally lock players out of playing the game. These are all absolutely awful cards that create nothing but feelbad moments.
According to several people, this is supposed to be "healthy" except for one deck. Your mileage may vary.
Modern is at its absolute best these days when people refuse to play the top decks. I used to enjoy an LGS like that and would give anything to have it back.