My list was more or less in my first post today, but here with additional detail:
Town:
DCIII (pushed Void wagon; Void tries to discredit his townslip; general posting comes across townie)
Rhand (started wagon on Void out of the blue, general posting comes across townie; very actively scumhunting)
Shockwave (despite low posting, gut read when he does post is sincere scumhunting; 272 almost proves towniness, when he doesn't push M_E at a critical juncture between M_E and Void; 552 names DCIII as possible scum when no one else is)
NNy (joined wagon on Void early when there's no real scum reason for it; posts have generally struck me as town)
Leaning Town:
TMCT (posts have generally struck me as town; his question about my early reads -see below; pointing out DCIIIs townslip to help establish a player as town early on is pretty strongly contrary to normal scum strategy)
Antny (posts have generally struck me as town, but my most neutral read at the moment)
Scum:
B_E (Interactions with Void I previously noted; lack of original content today)
A_E (Detailed in my case; town/scum list is just awful)
Kraj 101: "based on my notes so far I could justify voting almost everyone who has posted" -- keeping mislynch candidates open? (@Kraj, what did your notes say at the time?)
The thing that strikes me about this is it's something a town player would make a note of and follow up on later. I don't really see a scum rereading for mislynch ammo picking something like this.
I don't recall my initial reaction and I didn't make any note about it. I never stopped finding M_E scummy; he was still a prime suspect to me after Void flipped.
Other than 374 were there any other times you felt AE pushed for ME's vote after Void self voted?
I already listed all of AE's posts from Void's self-vote until the day ended. If you're asking whether I think he was subtly pushing M_E even after switching over the Void, then no. He was clearly resigned to Void's lynch.
Other than yourself which other players do you think would have shot dkingsland ahead of ME last night?
Good question since, looking back, my own opinion of DK may have tainted my recollection. DCIII was the only other person to show up in a vote count voting DK, and that was early on. It could have been a shot based on gut but yeah, it does seem more Occam's-Razor-y that M_E was vigged.
Congrats, DCIII! Do we get pictures? It's refreshing to have some positivity in a mafia game
Now to business. Apologizes for the wall of text, but it's a meaty one.
Finished my reread of AE and he is sooo very scum. The sneaky thing about him is his posts, when taken individually, are generally very reasonable. However, when you look at his posting as a whole, he contradicts himself over and over gain, showing that his reasons for attacking people are not things he believes but things he thinks they can be attacked for.
I'm fine with either Rhand or Mirror as todays lynch.
This is Day 1, post 117, not 48 hours after the game has begun. Some players, like myself, have only posted a couple times. The most votes anyone has on them is 2. It's so absurd to be fine with either of two players being lynched at this point in the game that he can't possibly actually believe it. Moving on:
I agree with waiting until Nny contributes til you lynch me.
If you are town this is no way to contribute. You have to put yourself out there and decide who you think is mafia and push for their lynch. Don't just sit around and wait for your lynch, unless you are scum.
Here he attacks B_E for saying the exact same thing he said earlier.
Early game placed his vote on ME right away and then almost immediately took it off and placed it on Rhand - furthering suspicion on ME while probably not trying to push the wagon too quickly, maybe while someone else on his team was already on it.
If I was scum I would have stayed and pushed for MEs lynch. It was almost a free pass on how the scum vibes were coming off ME. Even later on when some were wavering on who to lynch between ME and Void. As Voids scum buddy I would have pushed for ME without fear of and backlash.
As NNY pointed out, he just described his own behavior regarding M_E and Void. He retorts that he voted Void but look at the timing:
358 - AE checks in, says he'll post more later.
360 - Pushes ME as the right lynch "even if theres a hint of Void being scum".
365 - Void self-votes.
374 - AE pushes M_E for being afraid to put Void to L-1.
376 & 377 - Now he's suddenly willing to vote Void
382 - And now he actually votes Void.
430 - Tells TMCT to just hammer Void and get the day over with.
Continuing to push M_E even after the self-vote is exactly what he did. He only switched to Void after it was clear M_E was not getting lynched.
And while I'm discussing AE, a couple additional points: I've argued there was no point for scum to bus Void at the time Rhand, NNY, and DCIII voted. AE, on the other hand, repeatedly said Void and M_E were equally good lynches but constantly pushed for M_E first. He only moved his vote to Void after Void self-voted and his lynch was a done deal.
I believe that was Azrael in Boardgame Mafia, not me.
ME is Town. Nothing more to it.
The lynch was still not a done deal. People were still wavering on ME.
Above I've argued that Void's early voters had no incentive to bus him when M_E was such a likely lynch, but that AE's vote came after Void's lynch was inevitable. AE says no, people might have still voted M_E. Except AE's own words before he voted Void were:
Incidentally you where in favor of a TMCT lynch day one but now have just brushed him off to look at day 3. What exactly had you wanting to lynch him and why do you think it's fine leaving him for now?
I have to sit down and reread (more of a read as it has been skimming) the last few pages. I'm undecided on BE and TMCT.
After Rhand starts the Void wagon, AE unvotes him says he's undecided between B_E and TMCT, apparently now his two top targets, but here he attacks NNY for forgetting about TMCT today. Also interesting is at the point in the game where he names these two (forgetting about M_E and ignoring Void), the only things he said about either of them is that TMCT was his early town read, the fast wagon votes on B_E early on were terrible, and Rhand's attacks on B_E were bad enough to attack Rhand.
Other behavior and noteworthy things, while trying not to repeat what DCII and NNY have already said:
In post 93, he agrees with Void's discrediting of DCIII's townslip.
Post 262 I already mentioned, where he attacks B_E for prompting M_E to contribute instead of waiting to be lynched. Also noteworthy, though, is this is right when momentum is starting to shift from B_E's wagon to Void's. Further in 277 he "hates" Antny's unvote of B_E. But then he likes Antny's vote on M_E in 302 and moves his own vote onto M_E (after previously unvoting Rhand).
In post 312, when prompted for an opinion on Void, AE just says "the meta case?" and dismisses it. He hasn't bothered to read the follow up Rhand posted which he asked for. Maybe he just didn't see it, but at best he isn't trying very hard to actually form an opinion on Void. He then goes on to push the 'information lynch' angle on M_E.
Today, in post 510 he is "fine" with a B_E lynch...based on what? He comes out the gate with a case on me, and he's never posted any kind of reason for suspecting B_E at all, but he'd be fine with the lynch? The most he can come up with is that DKingsland thought B_E and Void are scumbuddies and now DKingsland is dead.
In post 471, he calls NNY town, then in 520 calls him scum. NNY's offense? Saying he's read me as town since day 1. Officially reverses his town read stance on NNY in 575, right after NNY votes him, in classic OMGUS fashion.
Finally, this is less evidence against AE and more of an interesting observation, but in post 574 AE explains how Void cleared M_E. I ultimately disagree with the logic, since nothing caught scum says can be trusted and Void clearly was behaving as caught scum. Now, we've been assuming DKingsland was the mafia kill and M_E was the Vig since M_E was an excellent choice for the Vig. Why the mafia would kill Dkingsland is a bit of a mystery but it's generally WIFOM to speculate on mafia night actions. However, Dkingsland was also a fair choice for the Vig, and if AE is scum then he's just explained exactly why they killed M_E.
So I'm kinda digging the B_E wagon just based on my reread of Void. His 'tying' posts weren't as prolific as I thought but there was some interesting info:
80 - Suggests DCIII and TCMT are both scummy but only one is actually scum, based on the 'townslip'.
88 - Explains his buddying read but suggests TCMT could also be town. i.e., backpedalling.
These two posts look more to me like trying to discredit the townslip rather than tie a townie to a scum, but is worth keeping in mind.
169 - Here Void votes for dkingsland possibly bussing B_E, which suggests they are both scum even though he glosses over this implication on B_E.
220 - Void accuses Antny of busing B_E or M_E.
So, Void only had two posts where he accused someone of busing, and both times B_E was the busee. Then there's their interaction posts:
189 - Void defends B_E from Antny's suggestion that his large number of contentless posts is suspicious. This defense is particularly suspicious since he implicated B_E as scum when he accused Dkingsland of busing him.
203 - Pure bandwagon vote on B_E, saying he didn't have a read on him before DCIII's case. Adds the third vote.
209 - Prompts B_E to claim while indirectly pointing out that scum will all just claim walker.
242 - B_E posts his reads. This was supposed to be his chance to convince the town not to lynch him, and the post was almost worthless. Void reacts simply by facepalming. Interestingly, one of his two town reads is Void, right before Rhand initiates Void's wagon.
Still need to reread B_E and then AE but still happy with the pressure on AE. :/ Also, have a sinus infection, so...blech.
Take a look at my #517 about BE, though (specifically the part starting from "Today he justified" through the vote), which is why I changed my mind. Do you disagree with those points and if so, what do you disagree with and why?
I do not disagree with your points, but I've not made up my mind how strongly they convince me. Frankly reading his posts today make my brain hurt. His self-meta, for example, that he wouldn't defend Void so hard as scum is so scummily WIFOM that it's kinda absurd to think he'd try to defend himself that way as scum. But that could be exactly what he wants.
I think Void's post you quoted is a strong point. One thing I will look at in my reread is Void's multiple posts tying players together. It may have just been his method of faking scumhunting, but I suspect if he's consistently attacking players for looking like scum buddies with each other, he'd want to be right sometimes.
I'm trying to keep current and answer questions directed at me, but I need to reread Void and B_E at a minimum before posting again.
OK, it seems I got my wires crossed. I was curious because I was under the impression it was dkingsland who nudged you onto Void's wagon with post 274.
Who or what was it that made you shift from ME to Void's wagon on Day 1?
Looking back, I can see why you'd think that since I responded to Dkings question in the same post as my vote. But the change actually was unreleated to Dkings point.
I already explained why I voted for Void. Why I voted him at the time I did is because I didn't want to move off the M_E wagon unless the Void wagon was viable (recall I've said I didn't think I had enough evidence to make a good case). After DCIII voted him, adding my fourth vote made a solid wagon that couldn't be ignored.
Also did you still think dkingsland was scum going into last Night?
Most definitely. Void flipping scum strongly reinforced my suspicions from day 1 since Dk kept pushing M_E. 260 was particularly awful, since he called Void scum but suggested lynching both M_E and B_E first for information.
I haven't seen much yet to change my day 1 opinion that he's playing poorly but is genuinely scumhunting. Though he certainly posts some scummy things, it's mostly a gut read that he's sincere. I may not have time to reread day 1 until Fri, though.
DCIII, Rhand, Shockwave, and NNY all pushed Void when it would have been very easy to lynch M_E.
That's a lot of players to clear. Can you show justification for all the names on this list?
First of all, I misread my notes about shockwave as he did not push Void. What he did was unvote B_E and not vote M_E at a critical juncture between Void and M_E's wagon. I'm frankly baffled why everyone seems to be glossing over a key fact: the M_E wagon was popular for two whole weeks. Even those not voting M_E mostly agreed he was a good lynch. Scum had every reason to vote him over Void; there would have been zero suspicion over tipping the scales in his direction. Yes, scum could have bussed Void but why would they? At that juncture in the game, it frankly would have just been bad play to push a buddy when a town lynch was on a silver platter. So though it's of course possible there's scum among Void's primary attackers it makes little sense to look for scum among them when other players are so much more likely.
I'd like to hear from Kraj why AE is his top scum read...
For reasons explained above, I consider those four players unlikely to be scum. I was leaning town on TMCT, Antny, and B_E based on day 1 behavior leaving M_E, dkingsland, and AE as my scum picks. With both M_E and dkings dead overnight that left AE. Obviously there's a flaw here, but revisiting my other reads takes time.
Behavior-wise, my read on AE was similar to Void. Prior to his wagon, Void's posts were generally townish or neutral but there were a couple posts that jumped out at me as possible red flags (68, 80 & 88). Not nearly enough to make a case on, but enough that I was happy to see a wagon form on him. Similarly, I found AE's posts to be very townish (in fact I almost always agreed with him) but again a couple posts jumped out at me as red flags (126 is overly aggressive against Rhand, 22 seemed overly aggressive, accusing him of being "A scum reaching for anything to grasp onto", which was ridiculous considering the stage of the game he's referring to; post 22 was less severe but was another overly aggressive post). Again, not nearly enough evidence to make a case on during day 1 but I was more than happy to add pressure first thing today.
And while I'm discussing AE, a couple additional points: I've argued there was no point for scum to bus Void at the time Rhand, NNY, and DCIII voted. AE, on the other hand, repeatedly said Void and M_E were equally good lynches but constantly pushed for M_E first. He only moved his vote to Void after Void self-voted and his lynch was a done deal.
And now he makes an OMGUS case on me, who happens to be one of the only players everyone is agreeing is possible scum. A case which basically consists of accusing me of voting the scum instead of the scummy-looking townie. Yup, you got me there.
101: "based on my notes so far I could justify voting almost everyone who has posted" -- keeping mislynch candidates open? (@Kraj, what did your notes say at the time?)
Keep in mind this was post 101, where the game was so early that a single suspicious post is a valid reason for a vote.
Shockwave's post 21 struck me as odd, though that was about as strong as I had on him.
AE's post 22 was overly aggressive, and his vote switch to Rhand in 95 seemed strange given his push on M_E.
dkingsland's posts 46, 60, 63, and 73 all bothered me.
antny's 51 was suspiciously certain.
B_E's 52 stunk of noob scum.
M_E's 53 response to B_E was bad and the vote in 64 was horrid.
Void I already mentioned (68, 80 & 88)
Who says it couldn't have been the other way around with the vig and NK TMCT?
It could have been, but with M_E being the #2 suspect yesterday it's an odd for the mafia kill.
A_E is also my number one suspect.
Vote: Archmage Eternal
DCIII, Rhand, Shockwave, and NNY all pushed Void when it would have been very easy to lynch M_E. A very aggressive bussing is possible, but I think it's more likely the scum are among the remaining players.
Forbidden Crypt has a similar concept in that it's swapping your graveyard for your library (whereas your card swaps your graveyard for your hand). The wording points out some of the difficulties of doing this, like what happens when you run out of cards in your graveyard.
I'll be happy to see either M_E or Void swing. I think the case on M_E is a bit weaker being based mostly on a lack of contributing, but his reaction - a lack of any defense and continued failure to contribute in any meaningful way as the game progresses further - is highly indicative of caught scum. Either he's just plain given up, or he's trying to let the wagon simmer and wait for attention to focus elsewhere. Which it has.
Void, on the other hand, has a stronger case. His content level is low but he attacks other players for low content. As Rhand says, he's basing all his reads on two players interacting as scum - such as bussing - without knowing either alignment, which is just plain wrong. He's almost exclusively attacked players who are already under suspicion from other players but not at a time when his attack would actually contribute to a wagon. His responses to Rhand's case are reasonable, though they often don't actually refute his points, and his attempts to discredit Rhand's case (accusing him of having "bias", saying his "spin" on a post is "not Town behavior", asking what Rhand's most recent scum game to imply the case is coming from scum) without directly taking a stand that Rhand is scum are very disturbing.
I think Void should be lynched.
Also, this talk about which lynch provides the most information is not the right way to look at it. Even if you are happy with multiple players being lynched, you should be trying to decide which one you feel most strongly about.
I absolutely agree about Blink. I also strongly recommend "The Girl in the Fireplace" which is the first episode I ever saw (a friend said, "watch this, you'll love it" and he was right). If you watch those two episodes and still say 'meh, doesn't do anything for me" then don't bother with Dr. Who.
Though I will caveat that one friend of mine adores the current Doctor and when he wants to introduce someone he was them watch the two-part "Silence in the Library" episode and then skip to "The 11th Hour" and watch from there. So I suppose if you're still unsure after those other two episodes, you could give that a try.
/barn this and don't think we should let him off of the hook. Also, if players think that both the ME and Void cases are strong - I think there's more to be learned from the Void flip so if you're in that boat and disagree - I'd be interested to know why.
Just to be clear, I did not mean Void is automatically off the hook once he responds. It depends on his response.
Town:
DCIII (pushed Void wagon; Void tries to discredit his townslip; general posting comes across townie)
Rhand (started wagon on Void out of the blue, general posting comes across townie; very actively scumhunting)
Shockwave (despite low posting, gut read when he does post is sincere scumhunting; 272 almost proves towniness, when he doesn't push M_E at a critical juncture between M_E and Void; 552 names DCIII as possible scum when no one else is)
NNy (joined wagon on Void early when there's no real scum reason for it; posts have generally struck me as town)
Leaning Town:
TMCT (posts have generally struck me as town; his question about my early reads -see below; pointing out DCIIIs townslip to help establish a player as town early on is pretty strongly contrary to normal scum strategy)
Antny (posts have generally struck me as town, but my most neutral read at the moment)
Scum:
B_E (Interactions with Void I previously noted; lack of original content today)
A_E (Detailed in my case; town/scum list is just awful)
The thing that strikes me about this is it's something a town player would make a note of and follow up on later. I don't really see a scum rereading for mislynch ammo picking something like this.
No. I didn't notice it until my reread focusing on him.
I don't recall my initial reaction and I didn't make any note about it. I never stopped finding M_E scummy; he was still a prime suspect to me after Void flipped.
I already listed all of AE's posts from Void's self-vote until the day ended. If you're asking whether I think he was subtly pushing M_E even after switching over the Void, then no. He was clearly resigned to Void's lynch.
Good question since, looking back, my own opinion of DK may have tainted my recollection. DCIII was the only other person to show up in a vote count voting DK, and that was early on. It could have been a shot based on gut but yeah, it does seem more Occam's-Razor-y that M_E was vigged.
Now to business. Apologizes for the wall of text, but it's a meaty one.
Finished my reread of AE and he is sooo very scum. The sneaky thing about him is his posts, when taken individually, are generally very reasonable. However, when you look at his posting as a whole, he contradicts himself over and over gain, showing that his reasons for attacking people are not things he believes but things he thinks they can be attacked for.
I'll start with a softball one:
This is Day 1, post 117, not 48 hours after the game has begun. Some players, like myself, have only posted a couple times. The most votes anyone has on them is 2. It's so absurd to be fine with either of two players being lynched at this point in the game that he can't possibly actually believe it. Moving on:
Here he attacks B_E for saying the exact same thing he said earlier.
As NNY pointed out, he just described his own behavior regarding M_E and Void. He retorts that he voted Void but look at the timing:
358 - AE checks in, says he'll post more later.
360 - Pushes ME as the right lynch "even if theres a hint of Void being scum".
365 - Void self-votes.
374 - AE pushes M_E for being afraid to put Void to L-1.
376 & 377 - Now he's suddenly willing to vote Void
382 - And now he actually votes Void.
430 - Tells TMCT to just hammer Void and get the day over with.
Continuing to push M_E even after the self-vote is exactly what he did. He only switched to Void after it was clear M_E was not getting lynched.
Above I've argued that Void's early voters had no incentive to bus him when M_E was such a likely lynch, but that AE's vote came after Void's lynch was inevitable. AE says no, people might have still voted M_E. Except AE's own words before he voted Void were:
Clearly, AE believed Void's lynch was, in fact, a done deal. One more contradiction:
After Rhand starts the Void wagon, AE unvotes him says he's undecided between B_E and TMCT, apparently now his two top targets, but here he attacks NNY for forgetting about TMCT today. Also interesting is at the point in the game where he names these two (forgetting about M_E and ignoring Void), the only things he said about either of them is that TMCT was his early town read, the fast wagon votes on B_E early on were terrible, and Rhand's attacks on B_E were bad enough to attack Rhand.
Other behavior and noteworthy things, while trying not to repeat what DCII and NNY have already said:
In post 93, he agrees with Void's discrediting of DCIII's townslip.
Post 262 I already mentioned, where he attacks B_E for prompting M_E to contribute instead of waiting to be lynched. Also noteworthy, though, is this is right when momentum is starting to shift from B_E's wagon to Void's. Further in 277 he "hates" Antny's unvote of B_E. But then he likes Antny's vote on M_E in 302 and moves his own vote onto M_E (after previously unvoting Rhand).
In post 312, when prompted for an opinion on Void, AE just says "the meta case?" and dismisses it. He hasn't bothered to read the follow up Rhand posted which he asked for. Maybe he just didn't see it, but at best he isn't trying very hard to actually form an opinion on Void. He then goes on to push the 'information lynch' angle on M_E.
Today, in post 510 he is "fine" with a B_E lynch...based on what? He comes out the gate with a case on me, and he's never posted any kind of reason for suspecting B_E at all, but he'd be fine with the lynch? The most he can come up with is that DKingsland thought B_E and Void are scumbuddies and now DKingsland is dead.
In post 471, he calls NNY town, then in 520 calls him scum. NNY's offense? Saying he's read me as town since day 1. Officially reverses his town read stance on NNY in 575, right after NNY votes him, in classic OMGUS fashion.
Finally, this is less evidence against AE and more of an interesting observation, but in post 574 AE explains how Void cleared M_E. I ultimately disagree with the logic, since nothing caught scum says can be trusted and Void clearly was behaving as caught scum. Now, we've been assuming DKingsland was the mafia kill and M_E was the Vig since M_E was an excellent choice for the Vig. Why the mafia would kill Dkingsland is a bit of a mystery but it's generally WIFOM to speculate on mafia night actions. However, Dkingsland was also a fair choice for the Vig, and if AE is scum then he's just explained exactly why they killed M_E.
80 - Suggests DCIII and TCMT are both scummy but only one is actually scum, based on the 'townslip'.
88 - Explains his buddying read but suggests TCMT could also be town. i.e., backpedalling.
These two posts look more to me like trying to discredit the townslip rather than tie a townie to a scum, but is worth keeping in mind.
169 - Here Void votes for dkingsland possibly bussing B_E, which suggests they are both scum even though he glosses over this implication on B_E.
220 - Void accuses Antny of busing B_E or M_E.
So, Void only had two posts where he accused someone of busing, and both times B_E was the busee. Then there's their interaction posts:
189 - Void defends B_E from Antny's suggestion that his large number of contentless posts is suspicious. This defense is particularly suspicious since he implicated B_E as scum when he accused Dkingsland of busing him.
203 - Pure bandwagon vote on B_E, saying he didn't have a read on him before DCIII's case. Adds the third vote.
209 - Prompts B_E to claim while indirectly pointing out that scum will all just claim walker.
242 - B_E posts his reads. This was supposed to be his chance to convince the town not to lynch him, and the post was almost worthless. Void reacts simply by facepalming. Interestingly, one of his two town reads is Void, right before Rhand initiates Void's wagon.
Still need to reread B_E and then AE but still happy with the pressure on AE. :/ Also, have a sinus infection, so...blech.
I do not disagree with your points, but I've not made up my mind how strongly they convince me. Frankly reading his posts today make my brain hurt. His self-meta, for example, that he wouldn't defend Void so hard as scum is so scummily WIFOM that it's kinda absurd to think he'd try to defend himself that way as scum. But that could be exactly what he wants.
I think Void's post you quoted is a strong point. One thing I will look at in my reread is Void's multiple posts tying players together. It may have just been his method of faking scumhunting, but I suspect if he's consistently attacking players for looking like scum buddies with each other, he'd want to be right sometimes.
I'm trying to keep current and answer questions directed at me, but I need to reread Void and B_E at a minimum before posting again.
Looking back, I can see why you'd think that since I responded to Dkings question in the same post as my vote. But the change actually was unreleated to Dkings point.
I already explained why I voted for Void. Why I voted him at the time I did is because I didn't want to move off the M_E wagon unless the Void wagon was viable (recall I've said I didn't think I had enough evidence to make a good case). After DCIII voted him, adding my fourth vote made a solid wagon that couldn't be ignored.
As I skimmed to catch up, pretty much whenever I saw my name people had me on their likely scum list.
Most definitely. Void flipping scum strongly reinforced my suspicions from day 1 since Dk kept pushing M_E. 260 was particularly awful, since he called Void scum but suggested lynching both M_E and B_E first for information.
I haven't seen much yet to change my day 1 opinion that he's playing poorly but is genuinely scumhunting. Though he certainly posts some scummy things, it's mostly a gut read that he's sincere. I may not have time to reread day 1 until Fri, though.
First of all, I misread my notes about shockwave as he did not push Void. What he did was unvote B_E and not vote M_E at a critical juncture between Void and M_E's wagon. I'm frankly baffled why everyone seems to be glossing over a key fact: the M_E wagon was popular for two whole weeks. Even those not voting M_E mostly agreed he was a good lynch. Scum had every reason to vote him over Void; there would have been zero suspicion over tipping the scales in his direction. Yes, scum could have bussed Void but why would they? At that juncture in the game, it frankly would have just been bad play to push a buddy when a town lynch was on a silver platter. So though it's of course possible there's scum among Void's primary attackers it makes little sense to look for scum among them when other players are so much more likely.
For reasons explained above, I consider those four players unlikely to be scum. I was leaning town on TMCT, Antny, and B_E based on day 1 behavior leaving M_E, dkingsland, and AE as my scum picks. With both M_E and dkings dead overnight that left AE. Obviously there's a flaw here, but revisiting my other reads takes time.
Behavior-wise, my read on AE was similar to Void. Prior to his wagon, Void's posts were generally townish or neutral but there were a couple posts that jumped out at me as possible red flags (68, 80 & 88). Not nearly enough to make a case on, but enough that I was happy to see a wagon form on him. Similarly, I found AE's posts to be very townish (in fact I almost always agreed with him) but again a couple posts jumped out at me as red flags (126 is overly aggressive against Rhand, 22 seemed overly aggressive, accusing him of being "A scum reaching for anything to grasp onto", which was ridiculous considering the stage of the game he's referring to; post 22 was less severe but was another overly aggressive post). Again, not nearly enough evidence to make a case on during day 1 but I was more than happy to add pressure first thing today.
And while I'm discussing AE, a couple additional points: I've argued there was no point for scum to bus Void at the time Rhand, NNY, and DCIII voted. AE, on the other hand, repeatedly said Void and M_E were equally good lynches but constantly pushed for M_E first. He only moved his vote to Void after Void self-voted and his lynch was a done deal.
And now he makes an OMGUS case on me, who happens to be one of the only players everyone is agreeing is possible scum. A case which basically consists of accusing me of voting the scum instead of the scummy-looking townie. Yup, you got me there.
Keep in mind this was post 101, where the game was so early that a single suspicious post is a valid reason for a vote.
Shockwave's post 21 struck me as odd, though that was about as strong as I had on him.
AE's post 22 was overly aggressive, and his vote switch to Rhand in 95 seemed strange given his push on M_E.
dkingsland's posts 46, 60, 63, and 73 all bothered me.
antny's 51 was suspiciously certain.
B_E's 52 stunk of noob scum.
M_E's 53 response to B_E was bad and the vote in 64 was horrid.
Void I already mentioned (68, 80 & 88)
It could have been, but with M_E being the #2 suspect yesterday it's an odd for the mafia kill.
A_E is also my number one suspect.
Vote: Archmage Eternal
DCIII, Rhand, Shockwave, and NNY all pushed Void when it would have been very easy to lynch M_E. A very aggressive bussing is possible, but I think it's more likely the scum are among the remaining players.
Void, on the other hand, has a stronger case. His content level is low but he attacks other players for low content. As Rhand says, he's basing all his reads on two players interacting as scum - such as bussing - without knowing either alignment, which is just plain wrong. He's almost exclusively attacked players who are already under suspicion from other players but not at a time when his attack would actually contribute to a wagon. His responses to Rhand's case are reasonable, though they often don't actually refute his points, and his attempts to discredit Rhand's case (accusing him of having "bias", saying his "spin" on a post is "not Town behavior", asking what Rhand's most recent scum game to imply the case is coming from scum) without directly taking a stand that Rhand is scum are very disturbing.
I think Void should be lynched.
Also, this talk about which lynch provides the most information is not the right way to look at it. Even if you are happy with multiple players being lynched, you should be trying to decide which one you feel most strongly about.
Though I will caveat that one friend of mine adores the current Doctor and when he wants to introduce someone he was them watch the two-part "Silence in the Library" episode and then skip to "The 11th Hour" and watch from there. So I suppose if you're still unsure after those other two episodes, you could give that a try.
Just to be clear, I did not mean Void is automatically off the hook once he responds. It depends on his response.
I tend to agree, however I would like to hear from Void before he's let off the hook.