What's sad is that you placed a vote that put me in hammering range and you didn't stick around to check the vote movements.
I did stick around, last night, this morning, and noon. But when you didn't mention my vote, at all, I felt like you didn't care about it, so I stopped.
Had 2/3 of the scum, had even called Thor/DGB correctly, but got flipflopped when I felt DGB was just buddying up to me while not mentioning the things I was saying about her, and then found my counterevidence to her "mod replace me" bit.
Don't think the game would've ever moved beyond the Thor/DGB show, so probably better to end now than later.
No, seriously, the appeal to emotion all throughout this post is terrible.
I also laughed at the part where you called mastin one of the best analysts you've ever seen, but that's tangential to the point.
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@Jaguar - while we're at it. Is this another Kami reaction test?
Also, she admitted she had a wrong read between Az and Cyan - where are her reaction tests there?
Her "zomgquickguizyouhavetovote" is obviously either a reaction test (or is DGB's idea of how she'd look as town), unless you're of the opinion that DGB doesn't understand mafia or is unable to count. I'm sort of ignoring opinions premised on the idea that DGB doesn't understand mafia or is unable to count.
That said, yes, fine, I don't like that DGB is not contributing anything. That it's all "ThorisscumnahThoristownCyanisscum" which just feels like spreading the mist (or for the MtG crowd: sowing chaos and confusion).
I still don't like DCIII. I don't like voting *with* DCIII. Yet here I am.
I still don't like Azrael. I reeeeeeeeeally don't like his appeal to emotion ("God, you guys suck so bad, you're terrible people, did you know that?" <--- paraphrased quote).
I do like Rhand, and much as I hate to say it, I like Thor.
No opinion on desCoures, and ambivalent about Cyan.
I still don't get that part - it's not like it cost her anything to do the fake either.
Asking to replace out without the intention of actually replacing out would be, to me (and I would hope MS veterans) crossing the line about the game and real life -- so for the exact same reason that I do not think DGB would lie about medical condition or other real life concerns to lurk under a V/LA, I do not think she would be bringing the mod into a game as a sort of ploy.
DGB does lots of brash, provoking, and stupid things, but I've never seen her mix up out-of-game and in-game concerns like that.
As for why I feel this makes her town: Theory ahoy! As town she's trying to provoke to...well, I assume to get reads? Point is, she's putting in effort. So when she gets tangled up with someone (eg GreyICE, you) she takes it personally. Whereas if she's scum, she never emotionally engages, so doesn't take it personally.
Like, yes, I know that as scum she relies on her non-logic posts in order to just spew crap around and see what sticks. But if she gets called on being non-logical as scum, she doesn't get angry or upset, she just ignores the calling out and/or ramps up the crap spewing.
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Re: Azrael: The defensiveness I was referring to was whe he got brought up to L-2 D1. I would expect more calling out of people -- "Here are the people on my wagon who are stupid but town, here are the people on my wagon who are scum" -- but Azrael moves solely to trying to defend himself by discrediting the attacks on him. He's got no focus on trying to find scum, it's all focus on not being lynched.
You do realize I literally just addressed both a Rhand and an Az read you little whine-sack, yeah?
And, yeah, I do get scum vibes off you - but I'd rather lynch DGB. You should vote DGB.
Not going to vote DGB, pretty much entirely 100% because of her replace out request in response to you D1. The only other time I've seen DGB do that was in
A Storm of Swords Mafia when she did it in response to GreyICE for pretty much the exact same reasons as here.
Yes, I was scum reading her before she did that. And then I wasn't. Literally 100% because of that.
Yes, she could be faking it, but I see no reason for her to have faked it D1 at no pressure as scum. So. Sooooooooo.
For Azrael: His defensiveness after hitting L-2 D1 reads more as scum-wanting-to-survive than town trying to help. It's not a super big thing, but it irks. I'd probably be voting for him right now if it weren't lylo.
Unrelentingly negative. Sarcasm to the point of causticness. Giving up attitude. Fixation on DGB to what feels like the exclusion of all else.
If you think I'm scum, you're welcome to vote me. In fact, you doing something non-DGB related would probably be the best thing right now. I don't really think Cyan's scum, so.
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Think Azrael is scum. Not voting him. Whimsical me.
@Rhand/@Azrael re Tar: To get it out there, I hate quote stripers, and Tar's a quote striper. So I'm already prejudiced against him. That aside, I found his original push against Azrael scummy because it was so weak (I was also reading Azrael as town at the time, but even looking back, it's still weak). This is fine, D1, puff up a case, whatever, but pushing a puffed up case of trying to get a mid-D1 claim is suuuuuuuuper weak, and a lot of Tar's push would have to involve Azrael being just outright bad at mafia, which I have to believe is not the case.
Azrael wagon falls apart, but Tar continues to push Azrael-scum, along with "Still think Azrael is scum, but not going to bother pursuing". He also pushes the "All the MtGers are calling Azrael scum" which got dismantled.
Then he switches over to defense when he gets called out on his Azrael push (Azrael also switched to defense when he was close to being lynched, and that's when I started thinking he might be scummy); and then begins the "I don't care about the game / I'm not motivated / go away", which I super hate. Then once D2 starts he goes mechanical off of Hooker's role PM and welp.
So unlike other people whose thought processes I could follow, Tar's feel hollow and disjointed.
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In regards to kpaca loving to play scum: a) I don't care about kpaca, tbqh, b) I would expect you, or some other MtGer, to already know whether this is real life related or not, and basing a read off of a replace out that you don't know the reason for does not seem to be the epitome of a good idea.
I see Rhand already had the exact same thought. So, yeah.
That being said... Jaguar, why do you have a total null read of me again? Regardless of what I thought of it, a good number of the player base seemed to have had me down as either obvtown or obvscum by the end of day 1. Did really nothing stand out to you at all?
Yep. That's essentially the long and the short of it. Admittedly I started skimming the closer it got to the end of D1, but you posted a bunch of walls and quote striping and I skipped those (the irony is not, believe it or not, lost on me). I know that opinions were voiced about you, but personally to me, your posts fell past me like the fifth goal of the Germany/Brazil match: I know it had to be there, but have no feeling tied to the event. Like, I had to go back and look again to see who you were suspecting D1. It had slipped my mind that you were even pushing Azrael hard D1.
In a related note - you apparently find DGB scummy.
What am I doing that's scummy if I'm tunneling on someone you think is scummy?
You are absolutely-super-abundantly-amazingly-superlatively antitown with your play here. Antitown play by someone who should know better is scummy.
The fact that I've seen you play absolutely-super-abundantly-amazingly-superlatively antitown as town is not, to be clear, a point in your favor.
As for DGB: I do find DGB scummy, but I've only seen DGB do the "you've pissed me off so badly that I'm going to replace out" as town. Now, DGB is fully capable of faking that as scum if need be, but I don't feel that she would need to -- she was under no danger of lynch, she could sit there and push your buttons, no one else cared, etc, so why draw attention to herself or her slot like that?
I started to read the thread, an action I sincerely regret, but there you go. Got as far as halfway through D2, gave up, went back and cheated by looking at the OP, realized I had been completely wrong on Iso, welp'ed.
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While I was still taking notes, I was writing down lots of things Thor was doing that I didn't like. It was around page 16 or so that my brain kicked in and remembered the A Dance With Dragons game, where Thor was doing essentially this same stupid ***** -- he (as town) had tunneled onto Zdenek (also town) and wasn't doing anything but screaming away that Zdenek was scum and needed to be lynched. It was *super* aggravating and pissed everyone off and the town got around to lynch him because he was hella annoying and I got to soft defend him and earn towncred when he flipped town.
Welp, it's the same thing here.
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Taredas is my #1 scumread. There's nothing specific in my notes (the only time I noted down Tar was to check up on his meta attack on Azrael), but the general feeling I have when thinking about the slot in the game is dishonest. It's not anything definite I can put my finger on, but his posts felt fake to me and I did not like the feeling they engendered. Have not reached wherever kpapc replaces in.
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DGB is a scumread, albeit a weak one. Although I don't think it's a scumtell for her to just flail about random ***** ('cause she does it as town), the consistent flailing around of random ***** along with the lack of either breadth or depth of the scumreads/votes makes it look like it's for show, like she did in Gay Mafia II. I excused a bunch of bull***** from her in that game because "lol DGB" but no. The ameliorating factor here is that I've never seen her pull the "mod replace me" as scum, but I have seen her do it as town (eg A Storm of Swords Mafia). So that's what's holding this back from being #1 scumread. Would still lynch DGB before Thor though.
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Started off reading the game and almost instantly came to the conclusion that Azrael was town and Iso was scum. Know now that I was wrong on Iso, became much less sure on Azrael, starting with his VT claim and moving on from there. A lot of Azrael's posts, which had started as scumhunting (on eg Iso) then became defensive from then on. Defensiveness isn't a solid scumtell, and the read on Azrael isn't as strong as the read on DGB, but I do feel like he started out super-engaged and that that fell off rapidly.
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Originally didn't like Cyan, thought he was lurky and scummy, but my liking of Cyan increased as my liking for Azrael went down.
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I literally have nothing written down about desCourses. Literally no impression has been made on me.
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ced395 has minor town things that add up -- he makes antagonistic moves like calling Nacho out for moving his vote *off of* ced395 close to the original D1 deadline, he's got the combination of unvoting Azrael at L-1 but then calling out Azrael's Joker/Comedian gaffe, which says that he's really interested in the flavor of the claim, which is town mindset. Haven't gotten to wherever Rhand replaced in.
If no one cares anymore, how come you're not trying to rile people up to lynch your scumread like I've seen you do before? Not even a half-hearted "You should vote DGB" or anything seems very unlike you.
The no-lynch idea is because we're at 10, I assume. However, massclaim followed by a no-lynch has to be one of the dumber less intelligent ideas I've heard, as it's just a roadmap to tell the mafia who to kill at that point. So.
You say virtual lylo. Is there a reason to assume four mafia and a 10v4 game? That seems heavily scumsided given no vigilante kills (requires 4 correct lynches to win, but lose on 3 mislynches).
Aaaaaaand, why is Azrael scum, aaaaaand double and, if Azrael is scum why are you supporting no lynch instead of voting Azrael?
Good to see Thor here. I'll watch my smurfing language.
Good to see DGB here. I'll leave logic and common sense at the door.
Don't know any of the MTG people, so.
Game's over, no need for the petty divisiveness. We (the town) lost as a group.
I did stick around, last night, this morning, and noon. But when you didn't mention my vote, at all, I felt like you didn't care about it, so I stopped.
Had 2/3 of the scum, had even called Thor/DGB correctly, but got flipflopped when I felt DGB was just buddying up to me while not mentioning the things I was saying about her, and then found my counterevidence to her "mod replace me" bit.
Don't think the game would've ever moved beyond the Thor/DGB show, so probably better to end now than later.
No.
Nope!
I skimmed a bunch of D1!
No, seriously, the appeal to emotion all throughout this post is terrible.
I also laughed at the part where you called mastin one of the best analysts you've ever seen, but that's tangential to the point.
Her "zomgquickguizyouhavetovote" is obviously either a reaction test (or is DGB's idea of how she'd look as town), unless you're of the opinion that DGB doesn't understand mafia or is unable to count. I'm
sort ofignoring opinions premised on the idea that DGB doesn't understand mafia or is unable to count.That said, yes, fine, I don't like that DGB is not contributing anything. That it's all "ThorisscumnahThoristownCyanisscum" which just feels like spreading the mist (or for the MtG crowd: sowing chaos and confusion).
Also, unrelatedly, while I was reviewing Gay Mafia II for how DGB was playing as the SK there, I stumbled across DGB asking the mod to replace her as an SK
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Unvote DCIII
Vote Kami of Lunacy
I still don't like DCIII. I don't like voting *with* DCIII. Yet here I am.
I still don't like Azrael. I reeeeeeeeeally don't like his appeal to emotion ("God, you guys suck so bad, you're terrible people, did you know that?" <--- paraphrased quote).
I do like Rhand, and much as I hate to say it, I like Thor.
No opinion on desCoures, and ambivalent about Cyan.
DGB.
Frackingstop with Thor already. Thor's not getting lynched. So, assuming you're Town, try to be useful instead of an annoyance. kthx.For instance: if you think Azrael, Rhand, and Cyan are all town, then why, IYO, has scum not quickhammered and won?
Asking to replace out without the intention of actually replacing out would be, to me (and I would hope MS veterans) crossing the line about the game and real life -- so for the exact same reason that I do not think DGB would lie about medical condition or other real life concerns to lurk under a V/LA, I do not think she would be bringing the mod into a game as a sort of ploy.
DGB does lots of brash, provoking, and stupid things, but I've never seen her mix up out-of-game and in-game concerns like that.
As for why I feel this makes her town: Theory ahoy! As town she's trying to provoke to...well, I assume to get reads? Point is, she's putting in effort. So when she gets tangled up with someone (eg GreyICE, you) she takes it personally. Whereas if she's scum, she never emotionally engages, so doesn't take it personally.
Like, yes, I know that as scum she relies on her non-logic posts in order to just spew crap around and see what sticks. But if she gets called on being non-logical as scum, she doesn't get angry or upset, she just ignores the calling out and/or ramps up the crap spewing.
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Re: Azrael: The defensiveness I was referring to was whe he got brought up to L-2 D1. I would expect more calling out of people -- "Here are the people on my wagon who are stupid but town, here are the people on my wagon who are scum" -- but Azrael moves solely to trying to defend himself by discrediting the attacks on him. He's got no focus on trying to find scum, it's all focus on not being lynched.
Not going to vote DGB, pretty much entirely 100% because of her replace out request in response to you D1. The only other time I've seen DGB do that was in
A Storm of Swords Mafia when she did it in response to GreyICE for pretty much the exact same reasons as here.
Yes, I was scum reading her before she did that. And then I wasn't. Literally 100% because of that.
Yes, she could be faking it, but I see no reason for her to have faked it D1 at no pressure as scum. So. Sooooooooo.
For Azrael: His defensiveness after hitting L-2 D1 reads more as scum-wanting-to-survive than town trying to help. It's not a super big thing, but it irks. I'd probably be voting for him right now if it weren't lylo.
Unrelentingly negative. Sarcasm to the point of causticness. Giving up attitude. Fixation on DGB to what feels like the exclusion of all else.
If you think I'm scum, you're welcome to vote me. In fact, you doing something non-DGB related would probably be the best thing right now. I don't really think Cyan's scum, so.
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Think Azrael is scum. Not voting him. Whimsical me.
Azrael wagon falls apart, but Tar continues to push Azrael-scum, along with "Still think Azrael is scum, but not going to bother pursuing". He also pushes the "All the MtGers are calling Azrael scum" which got dismantled.
Then he switches over to defense when he gets called out on his Azrael push (Azrael also switched to defense when he was close to being lynched, and that's when I started thinking he might be scummy); and then begins the "I don't care about the game / I'm not motivated / go away", which I super hate. Then once D2 starts he goes mechanical off of Hooker's role PM and welp.
So unlike other people whose thought processes I could follow, Tar's feel hollow and disjointed.
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In regards to kpaca loving to play scum: a) I don't care about kpaca, tbqh, b) I would expect you, or some other MtGer, to already know whether this is real life related or not, and basing a read off of a replace out that you don't know the reason for does not seem to be the epitome of a good idea.
I see Rhand already had the exact same thought. So, yeah.
Yep. That's essentially the long and the short of it. Admittedly I started skimming the closer it got to the end of D1, but you posted a bunch of walls and quote striping and I skipped those (the irony is not, believe it or not, lost on me). I know that opinions were voiced about you, but personally to me, your posts fell past me like the fifth goal of the Germany/Brazil match: I know it had to be there, but have no feeling tied to the event. Like, I had to go back and look again to see who you were suspecting D1. It had slipped my mind that you were even pushing Azrael hard D1.
You are absolutely-super-abundantly-amazingly-superlatively antitown with your play here. Antitown play by someone who should know better is scummy.
The fact that I've seen you play absolutely-super-abundantly-amazingly-superlatively antitown as town is not, to be clear, a point in your favor.
As for DGB: I do find DGB scummy, but I've only seen DGB do the "you've pissed me off so badly that I'm going to replace out" as town. Now, DGB is fully capable of faking that as scum if need be, but I don't feel that she would need to -- she was under no danger of lynch, she could sit there and push your buttons, no one else cared, etc, so why draw attention to herself or her slot like that?
I started to read the thread, an action I sincerely regret, but there you go. Got as far as halfway through D2, gave up, went back and cheated by looking at the OP, realized I had been completely wrong on Iso, welp'ed.
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While I was still taking notes, I was writing down lots of things Thor was doing that I didn't like. It was around page 16 or so that my brain kicked in and remembered the A Dance With Dragons game, where Thor was doing essentially this same stupid ***** -- he (as town) had tunneled onto Zdenek (also town) and wasn't doing anything but screaming away that Zdenek was scum and needed to be lynched. It was *super* aggravating and pissed everyone off and the town got around to lynch him because he was hella annoying and I got to soft defend him and earn towncred when he flipped town.
Welp, it's the same thing here.
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Taredas is my #1 scumread. There's nothing specific in my notes (the only time I noted down Tar was to check up on his meta attack on Azrael), but the general feeling I have when thinking about the slot in the game is dishonest. It's not anything definite I can put my finger on, but his posts felt fake to me and I did not like the feeling they engendered. Have not reached wherever kpapc replaces in.
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DGB is a scumread, albeit a weak one. Although I don't think it's a scumtell for her to just flail about random ***** ('cause she does it as town), the consistent flailing around of random ***** along with the lack of either breadth or depth of the scumreads/votes makes it look like it's for show, like she did in Gay Mafia II. I excused a bunch of bull***** from her in that game because "lol DGB" but no. The ameliorating factor here is that I've never seen her pull the "mod replace me" as scum, but I have seen her do it as town (eg A Storm of Swords Mafia). So that's what's holding this back from being #1 scumread. Would still lynch DGB before Thor though.
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Started off reading the game and almost instantly came to the conclusion that Azrael was town and Iso was scum. Know now that I was wrong on Iso, became much less sure on Azrael, starting with his VT claim and moving on from there. A lot of Azrael's posts, which had started as scumhunting (on eg Iso) then became defensive from then on. Defensiveness isn't a solid scumtell, and the read on Azrael isn't as strong as the read on DGB, but I do feel like he started out super-engaged and that that fell off rapidly.
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Originally didn't like Cyan, thought he was lurky and scummy, but my liking of Cyan increased as my liking for Azrael went down.
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I literally have nothing written down about desCourses. Literally no impression has been made on me.
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ced395 has minor town things that add up -- he makes antagonistic moves like calling Nacho out for moving his vote *off of* ced395 close to the original D1 deadline, he's got the combination of unvoting Azrael at L-1 but then calling out Azrael's Joker/Comedian gaffe, which says that he's really interested in the flavor of the claim, which is town mindset. Haven't gotten to wherever Rhand replaced in.
So.
Town (S->W): ced395/Rhand -----------> Thor665 --> Cyan
Literall null: desCourses
Scum (S->W): Tar/kpaca ------------------> Azrael ----> DGB
Vote: kpaca
If no one cares anymore, how come you're not trying to rile people up to lynch your scumread like I've seen you do before? Not even a half-hearted "You should vote DGB" or anything seems very unlike you.
dumberless intelligent ideas I've heard, as it's just a roadmap to tell the mafia who to kill at that point. So.You say virtual lylo. Is there a reason to assume four mafia and a 10v4 game? That seems heavily scumsided given no vigilante kills (requires 4 correct lynches to win, but lose on 3 mislynches).
Aaaaaaand, why is Azrael scum, aaaaaand double and, if Azrael is scum why are you supporting no lynch instead of voting Azrael?
Good to see Thor here. I'll watch my smurfing language.
Good to see DGB here. I'll leave logic and common sense at the door.
Don't know any of the MTG people, so.
Someone short-form the current goings-ons for me.