Would Gargos be an interesting commander for Mono-Green Control for EDH?
I think the deck could work in a more interesting way with a partial voltron for a lot of the fight affects. It allows more instants so things like Seedborn Muse or Wilderness Reclamation would be interesting. Gargos is a control card to some extant on his own and would help with Hydras like Voracious, Steelbane, Genesis, Whiptongue, Polukranos, and Ulvenwald not to mention some like Lifeblood, Kalonian, Primordial
I think Modern has changed significantly from even 2 years ago. For a lot of people, I think modern has finally become the pro-format that they prefer. Pros really like formats that are smaller in scopes to leverage deck decision and sideboards. Modern has finally shrunk what is good to be able to do that compared to before. There are a lot less random decks out there. You still see them on occasion, but I think the TIER 2 and 3 plethora of decks which defined Modern for years are essentially shoved down thanks to Humans, Phoenix, Hogaak, Jund, UW Control, and an artifact deck and some variations inbetween.
It is really tough to play a brew anymore or a tier 2 net deck and win more and having trouble competitng. The velocity of deck search, the power, and the amount of removal have drastically impacted what could be played, especially for decks with little interaction such as Merfolk, Elves, Mono-Green devotion, Ponza, and all the rest of the tier 2 and 3 decks that are played.
It is fine to modern to be this way for the pros. Professionals LIKE smaller fields of play. This way they can leverage game skill, deck building, and all the other tiny skills that make you have percentage win chances against the field. it is why standard is generally well liked by pros let alone the generally money and attention lavished on it.
Modern has finally become that pro-format that really competitive pros wanted it to be.
I just don't like it. I liked the more casual 60 decks a week modern. It really isn't that anymore I don't think. There might be non-games due to the deck style of modern, but there really is a tightening of what is good or bad or what works or doesn't. Winning a couple games here or there and spiking a tournament with a deck just doesn't work as much if you aren't playing the clear best decks. It is much much harder to take a wierd brew or a tier 3-4 deck and do well. There is a much smaller tier 2 and tier 3 list. Staples on that list are no longer as good. They can still win and occasionally spike, but I bet it is less before.
I will definitely be getting Monstrify and some of the anti-shroud/hexproof like Bonds of Mortality and Detection Tower look intriguing.
I will probably be picking up Exploration to help with the extra forests when using draw spells. I do like Resize as well as Traverse the Outlands and Soul's Majesty. I will look into them. Thank you again!
I am building Gargos, Vicious Watcher as a Hydra Tribal deck for EDH. I had built a very budget (save for the cards I had from other decks) Progenitus Hydra tribal deck. I want to build an improve on Gargos. The only stipulation is generally that it has all the mono-green and colorless hydra.
I am interested in improving the deck and making it better. I may not have the budget immediately, but I am interested in testing better solutions and other packages with the deck. I am thinking improvements along the lines of Mana Reflections, Exploration, Burgeoning, Azusa, Song of the Dryads, Nissa (new), Gaea's Touch.
I was inspired with some of this deck by Commandertheory's deck list.
I'm going to stick with my CoCo version of Slivers along with Blasphemous Act - Spiteful Sliver "combo", even without Blasphemous Act, the ability of Spiteful stacks if we have multiple of them in the battlefield.
I think that Horizon lands can help a bit drawing an extra card (mostly a creature) to add a bit more pressure to the opponent. With mana generator slivers, it should not punish us that much, as we can generate tons of it.
I think your biggest problem might be casting CoCo or blaesphemous act. Good Luck though and tell us the results!
It is hard to run 4 drops in modern without mana acceleration. I think if you are running Werewolves without mana acceleration you are doomed to failure. The problem with running mana acceleration is that it takes away from your Werewolf and Wolf plan. It is one of the reasons the deck isn't great in modern, but could be really really fun.
I tried running planeswalkers in the 4 drop slot to provide removal, card draw, and extra things. However, the needs of disruptions, mana dorks, and enough lands also curtail the amount of werewolves that can be run.
I went with the thinking that Graveyard decks, Faster Decks, and Tron would be prevelant. So, I would need to gear to shut down strategies and be superfast. This is what I did and why I built the way that I did for more comb and protection oriented. I would probably replace Phyrexian Revoker with Collector Ophre and try to replace something with Elvish Champion (maybe Sylvan Messenger or Gutshot (infect), Burrington Forge-Tender. I might also replace the second scooze main deck (put in the side), and then put in a second Finale of Devestation in the main.
I beat Burn, Blue Moon, and Tron. I ID'd vs. HollowOOne.
Oh yeah, my dinosaur deck just got more awesome! I can get thrashing brontodon or wakening sun's avatar or deathgorge scavenger or a host of interesting Dino's as necessary. It gets removal, summoning relevant Dino's, and buffs them as well. Awesome.
I think people are still experimenting on lists and cards. Since, no major sliver deck so far has seen any results after the new slivers have been provided and tantalizingly fewer results even post-Adam Bowman's now traditional list.
Once somebody has success with a Sliver deck and that result is reproducible (like Adam Bowman's list was), then we will get around to a coalescing down to a list.
I am using Adam Bowman's list as an example because it had reproducable results on the big stages, at Modern Leagues, and Modern Challenges as well as local tournaments as I personally can attest.
I know you think your list is the best and it might even be the most competitive, but a lot of people aren't convinced. Want people to be convinced? Start winning with it in a way that the results are public. This is the answer to pretty much any list, my meme list and traditional list included.
Until then, we will certainly critque and not acknowledge your list as the best until then. I for one prefer something else, but I do like your 8 dorks list. I think though it could be slow despite the explosiveness to other lists. I also use Virulent Sliver over Striking Sliver to help hands that aren't lord heavy get quick wins against Tron and other few threat lists.
Also: I want to make it clear that I value the input and dedication you are willing to put in this forgotten in a competitive sense tribe. It takes a lot of testing and work to make a new archetype competitive that hasn't been there before. However, the new cards have only been out a few weeks and aren't the true game changers like Crystalline Sliver would have been. It is ok to be skeptical of any one true competitive list yet.
There are a lot of new tools including Spiteful Sliver that could provide interesting new avenues such as the Elf-Like 8 Sliver dork list or Fast Sliver lists or Dregscape-focused lists.
I think the deck could work in a more interesting way with a partial voltron for a lot of the fight affects. It allows more instants so things like Seedborn Muse or Wilderness Reclamation would be interesting. Gargos is a control card to some extant on his own and would help with Hydras like Voracious, Steelbane, Genesis, Whiptongue, Polukranos, and Ulvenwald not to mention some like Lifeblood, Kalonian, Primordial
It is really tough to play a brew anymore or a tier 2 net deck and win more and having trouble competitng. The velocity of deck search, the power, and the amount of removal have drastically impacted what could be played, especially for decks with little interaction such as Merfolk, Elves, Mono-Green devotion, Ponza, and all the rest of the tier 2 and 3 decks that are played.
It is fine to modern to be this way for the pros. Professionals LIKE smaller fields of play. This way they can leverage game skill, deck building, and all the other tiny skills that make you have percentage win chances against the field. it is why standard is generally well liked by pros let alone the generally money and attention lavished on it.
Modern has finally become that pro-format that really competitive pros wanted it to be.
I just don't like it. I liked the more casual 60 decks a week modern. It really isn't that anymore I don't think. There might be non-games due to the deck style of modern, but there really is a tightening of what is good or bad or what works or doesn't. Winning a couple games here or there and spiking a tournament with a deck just doesn't work as much if you aren't playing the clear best decks. It is much much harder to take a wierd brew or a tier 3-4 deck and do well. There is a much smaller tier 2 and tier 3 list. Staples on that list are no longer as good. They can still win and occasionally spike, but I bet it is less before.
I will definitely be getting Monstrify and some of the anti-shroud/hexproof like Bonds of Mortality and Detection Tower look intriguing.
I will probably be picking up Exploration to help with the extra forests when using draw spells. I do like Resize as well as Traverse the Outlands and Soul's Majesty. I will look into them. Thank you again!
I am building Gargos, Vicious Watcher as a Hydra Tribal deck for EDH. I had built a very budget (save for the cards I had from other decks) Progenitus Hydra tribal deck. I want to build an improve on Gargos. The only stipulation is generally that it has all the mono-green and colorless hydra.
1x Desert of the Indomitable
27x Forest
1x Cavern of Souls
1x Hashep Oasis
1x Homeward Path
1x Karn's Bastion
1x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1x Scavenger Grounds
1x Slippery Karst
1x Temple of the False God
1x Tranquil Thicket
Enchantments
1x Asceticism
1x Doubling Season
1x Elemental Bond
1x Greater Good
1x Rancor
1x Sylvan Library
1x Unbound Flourishing
Artifacts
1x Akroma's Memorial
1x Icon of Ancestry
1x Lifecrafter's Bestiary
1x Sol Ring
1x Vanquisher's Banner
1x Worn Powerstone
1x Band Together
1x Beast Within
1x Bounty of the Hunt
1x Elvish Fury
1x Hunter's Insight
1x Krosan Grip
1x Momentous Fall
1x Pounce
1x Warriors' Lesson
Sorcery
1x Blessings of Nature
1x Combo Attack
1x Cultivate
1x Explosive Vegetation
1x Kodama's Reach
1x Nissa's Triumph
1x Rabid Bite
1x Rampant Growth
Creatures
1x Bristling Hydra
1x Clockwork Hydra
1x Domesticated Hydra
1x Evolution Sage
1x Feral Hydra
1x Garruk's Packleader
1x Genesis Hydra
1x Heroes' Bane
1x Honored Hydra
1x Hooded Hydra
1x Hungering Hydra
1x Hydra Broodmaster
1x Hydra Omnivore
1x Kalonian Hydra
1x Lifeblood Hydra
1x Llanowar Tribe
1x Managorger Hydra
1x Mistcutter Hydra
1x Nessian Wilds Ravager
1x Oracle of Mul Daya
1x Oran-Rief Hydra
1x Phyrexian Hydra
1x Polukranos, World Eater
1x Primordial Hydra
1x Protean Hydra
1x Ramunap Hydra
1x Scourge of Skola Vale
1x Sprouting Phytohydra
1x Ulvenwald Hydra
1x Vastwood Hydra
1x Voracious Hydra
1x Whiptongue Hydra
I am interested in improving the deck and making it better. I may not have the budget immediately, but I am interested in testing better solutions and other packages with the deck. I am thinking improvements along the lines of Mana Reflections, Exploration, Burgeoning, Azusa, Song of the Dryads, Nissa (new), Gaea's Touch.
I was inspired with some of this deck by Commandertheory's deck list.
Hello...welcome to Slivers.
We have a modern sliver thread right here https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/477676-modern-slivers?page=79#c2273 I am sure sliver experts would love to make sure you have a fun experience with your Hive.
I think your biggest problem might be casting CoCo or blaesphemous act. Good Luck though and tell us the results!
It could be Muraganda (primative world).
I tried running planeswalkers in the 4 drop slot to provide removal, card draw, and extra things. However, the needs of disruptions, mana dorks, and enough lands also curtail the amount of werewolves that can be run.
4x Horizon Canopy
4x Razorverge Thicket
1x Temple Garden
1x Pendelhaven
4x Forest
4x Elvish Mystic
4x Llanowar Elves
4x Dwynen's Elite
3x Nettle Sentinel
4x Devoted Druid
1x Vizier of Remedies
2x Scavenging Ooze
4x Elvish Archdruid
3x Ezuri, Renegade Leader
4x Heritage Druid
4x Chord of Calling
1x Finale of Devestation
2x Path to Exile
3x Damping Sphere
2x Reclamation Sage
1x Stony Silence
4x Leyline of the Void
1x Shalai, Voice of the Plenty
1x Elvish Champion
1x Phyrexian Revoker
I went with the thinking that Graveyard decks, Faster Decks, and Tron would be prevelant. So, I would need to gear to shut down strategies and be superfast. This is what I did and why I built the way that I did for more comb and protection oriented. I would probably replace Phyrexian Revoker with Collector Ophre and try to replace something with Elvish Champion (maybe Sylvan Messenger or Gutshot (infect), Burrington Forge-Tender. I might also replace the second scooze main deck (put in the side), and then put in a second Finale of Devestation in the main.
I beat Burn, Blue Moon, and Tron. I ID'd vs. HollowOOne.
Once somebody has success with a Sliver deck and that result is reproducible (like Adam Bowman's list was), then we will get around to a coalescing down to a list.
I am using Adam Bowman's list as an example because it had reproducable results on the big stages, at Modern Leagues, and Modern Challenges as well as local tournaments as I personally can attest.
I know you think your list is the best and it might even be the most competitive, but a lot of people aren't convinced. Want people to be convinced? Start winning with it in a way that the results are public. This is the answer to pretty much any list, my meme list and traditional list included.
Until then, we will certainly critque and not acknowledge your list as the best until then. I for one prefer something else, but I do like your 8 dorks list. I think though it could be slow despite the explosiveness to other lists. I also use Virulent Sliver over Striking Sliver to help hands that aren't lord heavy get quick wins against Tron and other few threat lists.
Also: I want to make it clear that I value the input and dedication you are willing to put in this forgotten in a competitive sense tribe. It takes a lot of testing and work to make a new archetype competitive that hasn't been there before. However, the new cards have only been out a few weeks and aren't the true game changers like Crystalline Sliver would have been. It is ok to be skeptical of any one true competitive list yet.
There are a lot of new tools including Spiteful Sliver that could provide interesting new avenues such as the Elf-Like 8 Sliver dork list or Fast Sliver lists or Dregscape-focused lists.