Is Jund the best choice if I want to have at least a fighting chance against almost every match-up?
Probably, or GB Rock because it would have a better mana base. Most Tier 1 decks do have a fighting chance and have maybe a 40/60 matchup against some decks.
If you had to choose one that wasn't The Rock, Junk, or Jund, what would you choose? Those are just on the top of the pile in terms of cost, even outside of their fetches. American control?
Much of the primer seems to focus on making replacements for expensive cards in Jund, and it seems like this deck doesn't have any reliably great match-ups. Is there any reason from a competitive point-of-view to play this over Jund aside from the cost?
whats up fellas,
can anyone give me a core decklist or like a "go to" for UWR?
I feel the one from the beginning of this primer isnt updated to the current metta or maybe some cards have changed or found better choices?
Is Shahar Shenhars UWR from 2013 deck still worthy copying
and can anyone tell my why UWR is better than UR Delver, im debating between the too
Thanks fellas new to magic appreciate the help
Delver and Control aren't really that comparable since Delver is a tempo/aggro deck. I think Delver is tier 2 because of how much good removal there is compared to how many good low-cost instants and sorceries there are in modern compared to legacy where it's a very good deck.
Yeah, I saw the updates but wanted to put something in as a place holder for now.
Need to finish the one section, do more tags and that, and then we'll have a new thread!
I dont think making new Thread is good idea. More pages = more prestigue
I don't think there's any way to change the primer without a new thread. Plus, the primer will hopefully be somewhat of a summation of all the information gleaned and discussion had so far.
Thanks. Here's my updated list. I decided to move Keranos to the sideboard instead of dropping him completely because I think his inevitability combined with how difficult it is to remove him would be very good for the mirror or any other slow, grindy match-ups. Also, how essential would you say having Shadow of Doubt somewhere in the 75 is? I considered dropping a Gideon or Spell Snare for one since it's strong for Scapeshift, but it hardly seems worth it since I won't draw it consistently anyway -- and I'm already struggling to fit everything into my sideboard as it is. Should I just board in Counterflux and Sowing Salt, hoping they're good enough?
It doesnt seem like Thundermaw Hellkite really corrsponds to the playstyle of your deck, which runs only four Snapcasters as creatures(I would play him in the flash version of the deck, but not in yours). Im not sure why you run Elspeth? Scapeshift will never allow you to resolve a four mana sorcery, so Sowing Salt is only really good against Tron.
Also, as far as your maindeck goes, why not run a Supreme Verdict instead of Hallowed Burial?
I like Hallowed Burial because there are so many otherwise resilient creatures running around. It's only one extra mana and can win game 1s if I'm playing against something like Pod. Elspeth is a pretty common sideboard card (I think) for "fair" match-ups such as Jund. Do you have any suggestions against Scapeshift that could replace something in my sideboard?
Aaron Forsythe said that they hadn't expected the spike. The spike was in late January/early February, so Tarkir would probably either be too late in development to replace the land cycle. My guess is that they will be in Blood/Sweat/Tears.
i hope they'll come next summer with a modern master 2
This question is getting old, and while fetches are nice, they aren't a required part of a deck.
lol yeah, it's not like they are awesome lands in modern, legacy and even EDH fetchlands are the best lands ever. coupled with the shocklands are awesome. in my EDH deck, adding the shocklands and the fetch made my chance of getting manascrewed around turn 5 dropped by half, even more. so saying that fetch aren't useful is simply wrong. they are and they need to get reprinted asap.
unless you are a speculator and are enjoying these absurd prices...
If Modern Masters 1 was any indication of a trend, Fetches being reprinted in Modern Masters 2 will only make them more expensive.
Playing this deck I think its not quite there yet still... but heres a good thing I picked up. Mana tithe is one of the best cards you can pack.
People would not expect a white counterspell. That's for sure
It's not all that uncommmon since everyone and their grandmother thinks they're some sort of genius for playing a white Force Spike when they're really just diluting their deck for unnecessary cuteness.
How is the USA in such *****ty economic shape now that they have all of that Iraqi and Afghan oil from invading the countries?
Afghanistan doesn't have any significant oil reserves. Maybe that's the problem.
Then why does everyone keep telling me that's why the USA went in there? Is Bush just that incompetent?
Think of it as how Hollywood has the movie you have to make in order to make the movie you want to make. Afghanistan was the country he had to invade in order to invade the country he wanted to invade.
Disclaimer: I am a Deist and don't believe in divine intervention, and this is all just my own personal attempt to explain the world in accordance with some semblance of logic and science. Take from that what you will.
My theory is that there is a non-physical portion of the universe, just as well as there is the physical portion that we are familiar with. Should this exist, in theory it is where things like the soul and/or deity(s) would reside, should you believe in such things.
Think about it like this: we know what a circle is. A circle is a concept, and you can imagine a perfect circle with your mind with relative ease. But in the physical universe, there is no such thing as a perfect circle, only imperfect replications made of tiny bits of matter. And furthermore, a perfect circle would still be a perfect circle regardless of whether you understood / knew about it or not. Thus, idea of a circle does not require anything physical, yet we clearly know that it exists because we know what it is.
This leads me to believe that things can exist in purely non-physical form. If this is the case, there would also seem to be a few rules regarding such an existence, like:
* Physical things cannot affect non-physical things in any way. (IE, ideas are bulletproof.)
* Non-physical things can be eternal. (Any sentient being, regardless of timeframe, could discover for themselves the concept of a perfect circle because it doesn't decay/die. I would suspect that ALL non-physical things might be eternal, but have no evidence to support that.)
* Non-physical things are not affected by [physical] location. (Two people can have the exact same idea at the same time regardless of location.)
What's particularly interesting is that if you do believe in the existence of the soul, then it means that humans have a dual existence, which also lends credence to the idea of an eternal afterlife. Because we don't see any physical evidence of the divine, it would also lead one to believe that God exists purely outside of the physical world and does not interfere with the physical world.
Define non-physical. Obviously things exist non-physically -- ideologies for instance. I don't see how you logically go from from geometric shapes that only exist theoretically to a creator deity existing.
Non-physical, as in not made of matter or any other sort of particles. Ideas are non-physical. I'm not saying there definitely is proof that deities exist, just that those would likely be the conditions in which one did.
I don't see how you can say with any sort of confidence which conditions are more or less likely to harbor a god that created the universe.
while fetches are nice, they aren't a required part of a deck.
Fetches are required for almost every competitive Modern deck.
No. Very few decks NEED fetch lands to stay afloat. You can build budget versions of most modern lists just fine by excluding the fetchlands. They just run smoother with them, so most lists run them to squeeze optimum performance out of the deck. Fetches could be outright banned from modern and only a few decks would vanish in their entirety. Many would just have to come to terms with not being able to run 3+ colors and still consistently cast Cryptic Command on curve.
I didn't say you can't build a budget version of a competitive deck. I specifically said that almost every *competitive* deck requires them. Also, it seems obvious that decks won't disappear if the fetches are banned, since everyone is on the same playing field of not being able to use them.
Hereward- I may be wrong, but thats why they call this speculation...there is the chance that I'm right. You do have valid points, so we'll just wait and see. For modern's sake I hope its onslaught fetches
Some speculation is more supported and/or likely than other speculation. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would go against everything Mark Rosewater has ever said about Infect and it would be one of the most bone-headed moves Wizards could make from a gameplay perspective. It seems very unlikely to say the least.
If you had to choose one that wasn't The Rock, Junk, or Jund, what would you choose? Those are just on the top of the pile in terms of cost, even outside of their fetches. American control?
Delver and Control aren't really that comparable since Delver is a tempo/aggro deck. I think Delver is tier 2 because of how much good removal there is compared to how many good low-cost instants and sorceries there are in modern compared to legacy where it's a very good deck.
I don't think there's any way to change the primer without a new thread. Plus, the primer will hopefully be somewhat of a summation of all the information gleaned and discussion had so far.
I like Hallowed Burial because there are so many otherwise resilient creatures running around. It's only one extra mana and can win game 1s if I'm playing against something like Pod. Elspeth is a pretty common sideboard card (I think) for "fair" match-ups such as Jund. Do you have any suggestions against Scapeshift that could replace something in my sideboard?
If Modern Masters 1 was any indication of a trend, Fetches being reprinted in Modern Masters 2 will only make them more expensive.
It's not all that uncommmon since everyone and their grandmother thinks they're some sort of genius for playing a white Force Spike when they're really just diluting their deck for unnecessary cuteness.
That seems reasonable to believe.
I don't see how you can say with any sort of confidence which conditions are more or less likely to harbor a god that created the universe.
I didn't say you can't build a budget version of a competitive deck. I specifically said that almost every *competitive* deck requires them. Also, it seems obvious that decks won't disappear if the fetches are banned, since everyone is on the same playing field of not being able to use them.
Some speculation is more supported and/or likely than other speculation. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would go against everything Mark Rosewater has ever said about Infect and it would be one of the most bone-headed moves Wizards could make from a gameplay perspective. It seems very unlikely to say the least.
Fetches are required for almost every competitive Modern deck.