Provide links, substantiate your claims; because I have provided proof, you have not. Until you provide links from reputable sources, you are simply talking from your ass.
And no, according to the link I posted... Not only are "alcohol abuse" and "alcoholism" NOT the same thing, but "binge drinking" and "alcohol abuse" are not the same thing either.
Again: You are wrong, you lose.
Also your definition of what is "stupid, childish, and irresponsible" is close-minded, and you need to stop looking down upon others who do not share your beliefs. Just saying (just MY personal opinion).
It's life, you'll have to filter out those who you don't agree with you. I would really suggest for people to bring their own drinks from now on and/or pay a cover charge. And keep the cases of beer for you and those few who like it. You are already catering with the food. If they don't like the beer you have then tough. Are they at the party because of free booze or are they there because they are your friends and just want to have a good time? Sure they may be snobs - but don't stoop to their level. Cater to those few who enjoy it. Life's to short to worry about every single person.
As to your question why are people like that? Because people can be a__holes... they can be flat out rude. They also think that everyone is entitled to an opinion. Well so are you, and you don't have to offer them anything. They want free booze, tell them to go to another party.
Just don't stoop to their level or you'll just wind up being the prick.
Well according to this website (one of the ones you provided), there are two forms of "drinking problems"; alcohol abuse and alcoholism. And judging by the definitions of both, I suffer from neither.
"a pattern of drinking that results in harm to one’s health, interpersonal relationships, or ability to work. Manifestations of alcohol abuse include the following:
- Failure to fulfill major responsibilities at work, school, or home.
- Drinking in dangerous situations, such as drinking while driving or operating machinery.
- Legal problems related to alcohol, such as being arrested for drinking while driving or for physically hurting someone while drunk.
- Continued drinking despite ongoing relationship problems that are caused or worsened by drinking.
- Long-term alcohol abuse can turn into alcohol dependence."
Now:
- I don't let alcohol affect my responsibilities at home, work, or school.
- I DO NOT drink and drive, drink and operate machinery of any kind, or drink in a situation where I could endanger another living thing.
- I have never been arrested for, or as a result, direct or otherwise, of my drinking.
- I have never let my drinking affect my relationships with others.
- Alcohol dependence cannot happen from binge drinking once a month a most.
Binge drinking once a month (at most) does not inherently count as "alcohol abuse".
And as a result, by itself, is definitely NOT a "drinking problem".
You lose. On all counts. Do not impose your warped values upon me.
The only reason I mention that it is ungrateful so often here, is because of those here that have claimed it is somehow okay for the 2-3 people to complain; even though I tried my best to make sure they knew what they were getting into, and tried to get them to pitch. I took all the measures; its not my fault the complainers ignored them.
And they don't get invited anymore. Anyone who is rude to me, and detracts from the experience for my other guests, immediately gets removed from my mental list of "people I want to come to future events". They are good friends and all but I don't feel its right to cater to them when they have shown me disrespect, when I tried to show them a good time.
Viroid: on the rare occasion my friends (the ones who complain) throw parties, they pretty much always expect everyone else to bring the booze, since they spend their money on a specific green illicit substance. That's why it ticks me off when they complain: When I throw a party, I make sure I HAVE things my friends, even if it is cheap. The fact that they are not grateful, actually really bugs me.
Also no offense intended, but read my earlier posts again: even the first post of page 2 says this. I make it quite clear, days in advance, that "I am buying CHEAP BRAND A; if you don't like CHEAP BRAND A, then pitch money, bring your own, or be content with what I serve you."
aprokos: If you would actually read, I have no problems that people have different tastes. But when I'm supplying for 8-9 people, when people are knowingly contributing ZERO money, and its entirely on MY DIME, their epicurean tastes are simply off the table. They know I usually get cheap beer, they still have knowingly contributed no pitch money, and then show up, KNOWING that I had no choice but to buy cheap beer. THEN they have the nerve to ***** when I offer them a cheap beer. It is douchebaggy of them, to the highest degree.
Corrupt: That is your prerogative, but again, most of my friends (the 8-9 that dont complain) are not picky, and are perfectly content with cheap beer. They even go on to thank me for throwing parties and offering them FREE beer in the first place.
Reeech: I do cater to those invited. I open my nice home to them, I grill them damn decent burgs and dogs; and I provide free beer, the last of which I literally DO NOT HAVE TO DO. Most normal people would be grateful they are being served drinks and fed for free, rather than ungrateful.
Decepticon: Substantiate your claims.
You know nothing about me dude, I am a perfectly functional and exemplary member of society. Lol. Drinking to get smashed ONCE A MONTH, if that, does not mean I have a drinking problem. You are delusional, and your definition of "drinking problem" is warped.
Prismatic: Thank you! Quite frankly I'm saddened (but not surprised) that the majority of MTGS has replied the way they have and not like you.
Decepticon:
A - It is not immature. Especially since I only rip maybe once a month, if that. Not to mention, drinking problem? Really? Isn't one of the qualifiers for having a drinking problem that one can't function without drinking? Yeah I've definitely got a drinking problem alright. Must he lonely up there on that imaginary high-horse, lmao.
B - I don't "pitch a fit", but I do tell them point-blank, "enjoy not having any drinks tonight then". Having someone be ungrateful at my party makes things incredibly awkward for my other guests. Its rude.
Highroller:
A - I am not making anyone do anything. I am open about the fact before the party begins, days in advance (if people would actually read), that unless they pitch, I am getting cheap beer. I do not have a gun to their head forcing them to come to my party. They're perfectly free to either not come, pitch for more expensive beer, bring their own, or not drink. But complaining? No, **** that.
B - That is not a good analogy at all. I let people into my (quite frankly decent) home, grill them decent burgers and dogs, and have large quantities of beer. Its better than having no beer at all. And it is not "slummy" unless you are picky; which only 2 or so of my group of 9-10 drinking buddies have been.
C - "Minor difference in price" is a hell of a lot less minor, when you are buying 3-4 cases at a time, and are supplying for 8-9 people. Seeing as how the majority of my friends are content with Budweiser, PBR, or Labatt Blue, that is what I buy. What reason is there to cater to people who are not going to pitch a single cent, when the majority is content with the cheaper option? There IS no valid reason. Fact.
If I offer you a beer, its okay to say "naw man I'm good" or "its okay, I got my own". But the moment you act smug and rude about something I've given for free, because its not up to ones epicurean standards, is the epitome of douchebaggery.
Honestly I find the concept of the woman being in charge of ANYTHING to be preposterous. Everybody harps on about equality and partnership, but then at other times, bull***** like "happy wife, happy life" and "sometimes its better to be happy than to be right". If I am wrong I expect to be told so. And if my girlfriend is wrong, I will tell her she is wrong. Its that simple.
Equality is for all the time. I think caving in when the other person is blatantly wrong on an issue, is for pantywaists. Sorry to say.
iincarna: I actually do have to right to get annoyed with people who whine about what beer I provide, when not only am I always clear about what beer I am getting, but they STILL neither pitch, nor bring any of their own.
If I offered someone a beer and they said "no thanks, I brought my own" that would be different. That would actually be absolutely dandy.
But if they came to my party and expected me to provide, I offer them a beer and they reply "ugh, PBR, really? That's pisswater", I'd actually rescind the offer and tell them to enjoy not getting a single drink for the entire night; because that is arrogant, ungrateful, and ignorant. Not only was I upfront that unless they are contributing, I am buying cheap beer; but they still have paid nothing, so they have ZERO right to complain about what beer I bought.
I'm not "holding anyone up to my standards of partying" when our end goals are the same: to get trashed. The fact that they are pickier is not my fault. As I said, I am not made of money.
Mondu: *facepalm* I was referring to you and everyone else.
ajprokos: I haven't yelled. I just don't understand. The way I was raised, if you are given something without any expectation of anything in return, you say "thank you", not "this? But you could've got this". That is ungrateful.
Locifer: I'm always upfront. The last event I threw, on Facebook I titled the event "Heavy Metal Vomit Party" and let everyone know that unless they brought their own booze, we would be sitting around a bonfire, downing cheap beer to the point of barely being able to sit upright, blaring sleazy speed metal, and ripping bowls till the sun comes back up. I advised anyone who had an inherent problem with any of these activities to not show up; and in fact a couple did not, but most did and the event was a blast. I don't see how in any way, any poster here could claim that I was in the wrong.
iincarna: Even the friends I have who expect me to serve premium beers, drink to get really drunk. But I'm not gonna spend 10-15 bucks more than I could be spending, simply because 2 or 3 of my 9-10 friends are picky. Especially when I'm paying to have food to grill for everyone too.
Again, to anyone here who has disagreed with me: If I gave you a playset of Serra Angels for free, no questions asked... would you say "thank you", or would you say "but these aren't Baneslayers"? It is the same thing, except substitute Serra Angel with "PBR" and Baneslayer with "premium beer". And if you were ever to answer the latter, I would question how you were raised tbh.
A - "Time to grow up"? Are you really that smug, arrogant, and ignorant to think that your form of partying is somehow more "mature" or valid than mine? Its not like I drink often, once a month tops, anyways.
B - I don't care what they prefer; if they want to drink premium beer they can buy their own case. If I am the one footing the bill for the beer all the time, I will get a middle ground what I can afford to get and what the majority will drink.
C - I invite someone to a party once; the moment they ruin the party, for myself OR my other friends, no more. So I only invite people that have never started an incident. Just saying.
The amount of smug self-entitlement in this thread absolutely floors me. My Serra Angel analogy holds.
Its quite simple. Your beer is overpriced water and its disgusting. If I go to a party where beer will be supplied, I bring my own. And when that is gone, the only other thing Im going to drink is water because Bud Lite, Miller Lite, PBR etc are absolutely horrible and arent worth the precious time they take to consume. If you (as you say) enjoy better beer then you should understand why those that drink craft beer arent interested in drinking what you've supplied. Here's another problem: Partying to get trashed
Perhaps try a beer tasting party? Everyone brings a sixer of their favorite beer. Everyone brings a sixer of something they've never tried. Instead of wasting the money on kegs, give out prizes for best beer, worst beer, best packaging, etc. Its a good time and everyone wins
The thing is, I party to get obliterated drunk, and so do my friends; even the ones that expect me to buy premium beer. Metal, excessive drinking, and "trees". Everyone bringing a six pack of expensive beer, is antithetical to what my parties are about.
I have no problem with people bringing premium beer if their stomachs are really that fragile. In fact, I encourage it since it sucks being the only one supplying booze every time. But as I said, I am not made of money, and since usually it it me supplying for everyone, I get cheaper beer since A, my good friends are not picky, and B, it allows me to supply at least half a case per person.
But when people complain, that ruins the atmosphere of the party. I have no time for people who ruin the atmosphere of the party.
Firstly, it sounds like the definition of party is being used in different ways. Is this a party where yelling must take place due to overly loud music and drinking games like flip cup and beer pong take place? Or is this where food is cooked by the hosts or the hosts cater to those invited?
Taking health out of the situation, eating fried/greasy foods that are with insta sides doesn't sound as appealing as something either fresh, handmade, and/or well put together. The ladder in most cases would cost more but you can't expect everyone to want to eat fastfood.
When you say "But I do have some friends that complain about what I serve them, and these people simply don't get invited anymore" do they have a choice? Were they able to byob (and if so, were they informed they could)? Was food provided to them (or anything else) besides the beer.
It sounds like you are forcing something onto people and if they don't like it, you take it personally, shun people out, and talk down to said people.
A - When I say party, I mean loud metal music around a bonfire (not loud enough where one has to yell, but loud), with three or so cases of beer, cigarettes, left-handed cigarettes, and me grilling patties and dogs on a barbecue. Most of my friends love this *****. However, I have encountered friends that have been utter complainers; they were never asked to return.
B - I encourage people to bring their own booze. But most of the time people simply don't, and expect me to supply. I mention what kind of beer I am getting in advance, so they know what happens if they don't bring their own. In fact they've even tried to convince me to get premium beer, to which point I've told them: unless they're pitching, no. I'm not made of money, I get limited income; which means I have no business being picky when I supply drinks for 5-6 people.
People are complaining because you're advertising the party as "Party with beer" & when they show up it's "Party with cheap pisswater."
Friends don't serve friends cheap pisswater.
I second the suggestion for a beer tasting party. Mystery-alcohol sounds better than drinking Pabst anyday. Just warn people to stay away from the Sam Adams sampler packs, one of the beers in that (can't remember which) smells like cat pee & tastes... probably like cat pee, but I have no idea what cat pee tastes like so I can't say for sure.
You sound like my extremely picky friends. As I said above; if you're paying, you can pick whatever beer you like.
However; if you're gonna show up with nothing, expect me to supply, and drink on my dime, you have no business being picky. That is my point: if I am giving you something for free, you have ZERO right to *****.
To use a Magic analogy, that would be like me giving you a play set of Serra Angels, FOR FREE... and you reply with "But these aren't Baneslayers". IlRegardless of how good you think Serra is, its ungrateful.
No. As much as I think violence/murder towards people that legitimately deserve it kick untold amounts of ass (murderers, rapists, people who have mutilated other beings unprovoked), I would not kill or torture someone simply because I was ordered to; I would actually protest.
If it was determined that they were any of the above (murderers, rapidts, mutilators), THEN I would gladly inflict as much pain as I could, then eventually off the person; THAT would be okay as they have forfeited their rights and status as human beings.
Really? I think its actually incredibly rude to go to a party and complain about what they've served you, ESPECIALLY if it's free. "Oh no this beer is not up to my standards"... To which I usually reply "**** off then, you get nothing."
I have a ton of friends that are not picky in the slightest when it comes to beer; they are a blast to party with. Literally some of the most fun and exemplary people on the planet. But I do have some friends that complain about what I serve them, and these people simply don't get invited anymore. Self-entitled beer "connoisseurs" who expect me to serve them premium beer, do nothing but bring down the party experience; for not only me but the others I've invited. And that's not okay. Why party with people who are just gonna ruin it?
If I wanna drink premium beers, I go to the bar with one or two of my buds and try a few home brews, or high quality name-brands. If I wanna party and get trashed, I buy 3 or so cases of cheaper beer, since I'm not made of money; which means most of the time, either Pabst or Blue. On RARE occasions I'll get a case of a high quality beer like Moosehead, but that's usually for myself; I'll advise people to bring their own booze also.
I mean I've been racking my brain trying to find an acceptable reasoning for the complaining... But I just can't.
Illegal activity infraction -Rax
And no, according to the link I posted... Not only are "alcohol abuse" and "alcoholism" NOT the same thing, but "binge drinking" and "alcohol abuse" are not the same thing either.
Again: You are wrong, you lose.
Also your definition of what is "stupid, childish, and irresponsible" is close-minded, and you need to stop looking down upon others who do not share your beliefs. Just saying (just MY personal opinion).
I agree.
Well according to this website (one of the ones you provided), there are two forms of "drinking problems"; alcohol abuse and alcoholism. And judging by the definitions of both, I suffer from neither.
Let's explore, and along the way I will explain to you how and why you are wrong:
http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/faqs.htm#alcoholismAbuse
Alcohol abuse is defined as:
Now:
- I don't let alcohol affect my responsibilities at home, work, or school.
- I DO NOT drink and drive, drink and operate machinery of any kind, or drink in a situation where I could endanger another living thing.
- I have never been arrested for, or as a result, direct or otherwise, of my drinking.
- I have never let my drinking affect my relationships with others.
- Alcohol dependence cannot happen from binge drinking once a month a most.
Binge drinking once a month (at most) does not inherently count as "alcohol abuse".
And as a result, by itself, is definitely NOT a "drinking problem".
You lose. On all counts. Do not impose your warped values upon me.
And they don't get invited anymore. Anyone who is rude to me, and detracts from the experience for my other guests, immediately gets removed from my mental list of "people I want to come to future events". They are good friends and all but I don't feel its right to cater to them when they have shown me disrespect, when I tried to show them a good time.
Also no offense intended, but read my earlier posts again: even the first post of page 2 says this. I make it quite clear, days in advance, that "I am buying CHEAP BRAND A; if you don't like CHEAP BRAND A, then pitch money, bring your own, or be content with what I serve you."
aprokos: If you would actually read, I have no problems that people have different tastes. But when I'm supplying for 8-9 people, when people are knowingly contributing ZERO money, and its entirely on MY DIME, their epicurean tastes are simply off the table. They know I usually get cheap beer, they still have knowingly contributed no pitch money, and then show up, KNOWING that I had no choice but to buy cheap beer. THEN they have the nerve to ***** when I offer them a cheap beer. It is douchebaggy of them, to the highest degree.
Corrupt: That is your prerogative, but again, most of my friends (the 8-9 that dont complain) are not picky, and are perfectly content with cheap beer. They even go on to thank me for throwing parties and offering them FREE beer in the first place.
Reeech: I do cater to those invited. I open my nice home to them, I grill them damn decent burgs and dogs; and I provide free beer, the last of which I literally DO NOT HAVE TO DO. Most normal people would be grateful they are being served drinks and fed for free, rather than ungrateful.
Decepticon: Substantiate your claims.
You know nothing about me dude, I am a perfectly functional and exemplary member of society. Lol. Drinking to get smashed ONCE A MONTH, if that, does not mean I have a drinking problem. You are delusional, and your definition of "drinking problem" is warped.
Prismatic: Thank you! Quite frankly I'm saddened (but not surprised) that the majority of MTGS has replied the way they have and not like you.
A - It is not immature. Especially since I only rip maybe once a month, if that. Not to mention, drinking problem? Really? Isn't one of the qualifiers for having a drinking problem that one can't function without drinking? Yeah I've definitely got a drinking problem alright. Must he lonely up there on that imaginary high-horse, lmao.
B - I don't "pitch a fit", but I do tell them point-blank, "enjoy not having any drinks tonight then". Having someone be ungrateful at my party makes things incredibly awkward for my other guests. Its rude.
Highroller:
A - I am not making anyone do anything. I am open about the fact before the party begins, days in advance (if people would actually read), that unless they pitch, I am getting cheap beer. I do not have a gun to their head forcing them to come to my party. They're perfectly free to either not come, pitch for more expensive beer, bring their own, or not drink. But complaining? No, **** that.
B - That is not a good analogy at all. I let people into my (quite frankly decent) home, grill them decent burgers and dogs, and have large quantities of beer. Its better than having no beer at all. And it is not "slummy" unless you are picky; which only 2 or so of my group of 9-10 drinking buddies have been.
C - "Minor difference in price" is a hell of a lot less minor, when you are buying 3-4 cases at a time, and are supplying for 8-9 people. Seeing as how the majority of my friends are content with Budweiser, PBR, or Labatt Blue, that is what I buy. What reason is there to cater to people who are not going to pitch a single cent, when the majority is content with the cheaper option? There IS no valid reason. Fact.
If I offer you a beer, its okay to say "naw man I'm good" or "its okay, I got my own". But the moment you act smug and rude about something I've given for free, because its not up to ones epicurean standards, is the epitome of douchebaggery.
Equality is for all the time. I think caving in when the other person is blatantly wrong on an issue, is for pantywaists. Sorry to say.
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If I offered someone a beer and they said "no thanks, I brought my own" that would be different. That would actually be absolutely dandy.
But if they came to my party and expected me to provide, I offer them a beer and they reply "ugh, PBR, really? That's pisswater", I'd actually rescind the offer and tell them to enjoy not getting a single drink for the entire night; because that is arrogant, ungrateful, and ignorant. Not only was I upfront that unless they are contributing, I am buying cheap beer; but they still have paid nothing, so they have ZERO right to complain about what beer I bought.
I'm not "holding anyone up to my standards of partying" when our end goals are the same: to get trashed. The fact that they are pickier is not my fault. As I said, I am not made of money.
ajprokos: I haven't yelled. I just don't understand. The way I was raised, if you are given something without any expectation of anything in return, you say "thank you", not "this? But you could've got this". That is ungrateful.
Locifer: I'm always upfront. The last event I threw, on Facebook I titled the event "Heavy Metal Vomit Party" and let everyone know that unless they brought their own booze, we would be sitting around a bonfire, downing cheap beer to the point of barely being able to sit upright, blaring sleazy speed metal, and ripping bowls till the sun comes back up. I advised anyone who had an inherent problem with any of these activities to not show up; and in fact a couple did not, but most did and the event was a blast. I don't see how in any way, any poster here could claim that I was in the wrong.
iincarna: Even the friends I have who expect me to serve premium beers, drink to get really drunk. But I'm not gonna spend 10-15 bucks more than I could be spending, simply because 2 or 3 of my 9-10 friends are picky. Especially when I'm paying to have food to grill for everyone too.
Again, to anyone here who has disagreed with me: If I gave you a playset of Serra Angels for free, no questions asked... would you say "thank you", or would you say "but these aren't Baneslayers"? It is the same thing, except substitute Serra Angel with "PBR" and Baneslayer with "premium beer". And if you were ever to answer the latter, I would question how you were raised tbh.
B - I don't care what they prefer; if they want to drink premium beer they can buy their own case. If I am the one footing the bill for the beer all the time, I will get a middle ground what I can afford to get and what the majority will drink.
C - I invite someone to a party once; the moment they ruin the party, for myself OR my other friends, no more. So I only invite people that have never started an incident. Just saying.
The amount of smug self-entitlement in this thread absolutely floors me. My Serra Angel analogy holds.
The thing is, I party to get obliterated drunk, and so do my friends; even the ones that expect me to buy premium beer. Metal, excessive drinking, and "trees". Everyone bringing a six pack of expensive beer, is antithetical to what my parties are about.
I have no problem with people bringing premium beer if their stomachs are really that fragile. In fact, I encourage it since it sucks being the only one supplying booze every time. But as I said, I am not made of money, and since usually it it me supplying for everyone, I get cheaper beer since A, my good friends are not picky, and B, it allows me to supply at least half a case per person.
But when people complain, that ruins the atmosphere of the party. I have no time for people who ruin the atmosphere of the party.
A - When I say party, I mean loud metal music around a bonfire (not loud enough where one has to yell, but loud), with three or so cases of beer, cigarettes, left-handed cigarettes, and me grilling patties and dogs on a barbecue. Most of my friends love this *****. However, I have encountered friends that have been utter complainers; they were never asked to return.
B - I encourage people to bring their own booze. But most of the time people simply don't, and expect me to supply. I mention what kind of beer I am getting in advance, so they know what happens if they don't bring their own. In fact they've even tried to convince me to get premium beer, to which point I've told them: unless they're pitching, no. I'm not made of money, I get limited income; which means I have no business being picky when I supply drinks for 5-6 people.
You sound like my extremely picky friends. As I said above; if you're paying, you can pick whatever beer you like.
However; if you're gonna show up with nothing, expect me to supply, and drink on my dime, you have no business being picky. That is my point: if I am giving you something for free, you have ZERO right to *****.
To use a Magic analogy, that would be like me giving you a play set of Serra Angels, FOR FREE... and you reply with "But these aren't Baneslayers". IlRegardless of how good you think Serra is, its ungrateful.
If it was determined that they were any of the above (murderers, rapidts, mutilators), THEN I would gladly inflict as much pain as I could, then eventually off the person; THAT would be okay as they have forfeited their rights and status as human beings.
I have a ton of friends that are not picky in the slightest when it comes to beer; they are a blast to party with. Literally some of the most fun and exemplary people on the planet. But I do have some friends that complain about what I serve them, and these people simply don't get invited anymore. Self-entitled beer "connoisseurs" who expect me to serve them premium beer, do nothing but bring down the party experience; for not only me but the others I've invited. And that's not okay. Why party with people who are just gonna ruin it?
If I wanna drink premium beers, I go to the bar with one or two of my buds and try a few home brews, or high quality name-brands. If I wanna party and get trashed, I buy 3 or so cases of cheaper beer, since I'm not made of money; which means most of the time, either Pabst or Blue. On RARE occasions I'll get a case of a high quality beer like Moosehead, but that's usually for myself; I'll advise people to bring their own booze also.
I mean I've been racking my brain trying to find an acceptable reasoning for the complaining... But I just can't.