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The Limited Archetypes of Ixalan
 
Treasure Cruisin' with Monored Burn
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    I think spell snare was the card that made him to win the mirror in the final! I think it is a nice addition, especially now that we see much more GBx and blue based control/midranges!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    I went 3-1 yesterday at FNM with the list I posted the page before, a more instant control version with, in addition to the classic 4 remands, 2 cryptic, 1 dispel and 2 logic not. Well logic knot performed very very well, I was always able to counter opponent spell without any big issue for my cemetery! I will definitely going on with them even if I am not so sure about how the deck will change with the addition of Opt! playing 8 cantrips can be too much, keeping slots used for more efficient spells. Honestly after having played the deck a bit, I feel like the deck has to have a second gameplan based on midrange and attriction and not going full combo...but they are just my two cents
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Hello guys, back on Saheeli after summer and a period spent of UR Storm (not my style of deck at all eheh).
    The last tournaments in july with Saheeli instant speed version gave me good results overally (with some 3-1 and 4-0 at FNMs). Now i am back on the same version but I took out spell snare which i really dont like at all! Instead, at the first occasion, I will try a couple of Logic Knot. I have read all the discussion before and i want to give them a try! This is the list!

    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    This is my list!


    I did not increase lands to 23 and I did not have problems at all! The changes of this more control version have been:
    -2 wall of omens
    -1 pia
    -1 helix

    +2 snare
    +2 cryptic

    At the end the overall mana cost has not changed (2 mana wall, 4 pia, 2 helix, tot 10 for 4 mana cryptic and 1 mana snare, of course more mana intensive but I increased lands putting another Island).
    I decided to keep the main deck supreme verdict and check if it was a problem to have 7 4mana cards. Today I will give another shot to the deck, to check this new version. I'll let you know how it performed but till now the deck has given me good results, people dont pay respect to combo a lot of time and got smashed by infinite cats! I have started noticing that many people let saheeli enters the battefield and dont pay attention to her, underexistimate the power of her scry ability!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Went 3-1 yesterday with the more controlliash version! Defeating esper control, sultai delirium, mono green aggro and losing as usual against grixis DS -.- cryptic command has been super good in most games espcially in combination with snapcaster mage! Spell snare did not shine even if the decks i faced had a lot of targets (snap, counters, goyf and some creatures in mono green). Overall the decks looks great, people complain about luck in drawing but they are not aware of how much this deck is able to manipulate (serum vision, saheli) in order to always dig for the right answer! I will give spell snare a try and then decide if keeping them or going back to walls which i did not miss at all apart from the mono green aggro match!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Went 3-1 yesterday with the more controlliash version! Defeating esper control, sultai delirium, mono green aggro and losing as usual against grixis DS -.- cryptic command has been super good in most games espcially in combination with snapcaster mage! Spell snare did not shine even if the decks i faced had a lot of targets (snap, counters, goyf and some creatures in mono green). Overall the decks looks great, people complain about luck in drawing but they are not aware of how much this deck is able to manipulate (serum vision, saheli) in order to always dig for the right answer! I will give spell snare a try and then decide if keeping them or going back to walls which i did not miss at all apart from the mono green aggro match!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    I was thinking as well to bring back PKN in the main but I am afraid that having 6 4mana drop is too much! 4 cats, 2 cryptic and 1 PKN/verdict would be what I want to try but probably mana curve increases too much.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Nice result! I am looking forward to try this version at FNM. I will not play peek and I am still in doubt about Electrolyze or changing it with an Helix or with a single Supreme Verdict for playing even more control!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    I took some time analysing the two versions and the cards they differ in. To be honest, I have never liked wall of omens and it is one of the first cards I side out against a lot of decks. Moreover it is just dead against a lot of archetypes (affinity, valakut, combo), it is good against burn and against shadow is just a 1 turn chump blocker.

    Spell snare is a dead card against shadow but quite useful against affinity (ravager and plating), burn (eidolon, boros charm, atarka command) and BGx which is little by little rising again.

    Cryptic command is super good against a lot of decks even if I know is awful against shadow due to stubborn denial.

    I have some doubts in the utility of electrolyze, probably I will keep my helix instead!

    I think I will definitely give this version a try! I am not sad of losing walls and pia&kiran. I am definitely more worried by losing supreme verdict but it is just a single copy mainboard!

    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    My main concerns with respect to this versio is really the Grixis Shadow match up. The exclusion of cards like supreme verdict and pia and kiraan from the main for putting cards like cryptic commands, spell snare and electrolyze which are quite bad against that match up (cryptic cause of stubborn denial, snare cause there are not 2 drop apart from snapcaster and electrolyze as well). Luckily, as u said, grixis DS is declining a bit and maybe this could be the time to play a more controllish and, especially, more instant version. Sometimes, playing the classic version of copycat, I really did not want to go tapped out and this version with counter can be the solution to the issues I had!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Really looks like a twin list! much more instant than sorcery! I started playing the deck following his first list with which he made another good result some months ago but I did not like the 2x cryptics! maybe this versione with spell snare as well is even better performing, I may give it a try on friday! At the end the core is always the same: more than 30 cards + 22 lands and other flexible spots which here are basically all counterspells:
    -2 cryptics
    -2 snare
    -1 dispel
    -1 electrolyze
    -1 peek

    looks interesting!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from VIPowL »
    Yeah would be interested to see some more data with that deck!

    This will likely be my list for the PPTQ season, it's the list I've been running online:

    Jeskai Saheeli

    Core 32

    4 Path
    4 Bolt
    4 Visions
    4 Remand
    4 Seas
    4 Saheeli
    4 Felidar
    4 Snapcaster

    Flex 6
    Dispel
    Helix
    Pia and Kiran
    Detention Sphere
    Supreme Verdict
    Vendillion Clique

    22 Land
    4 Tarn
    4 Strand
    2 Hallowed Fountain
    2 Steam Vents
    1 Sacred Foundry
    2 Sulfur Falls
    1 Glacial Fortress
    3 Island
    1 Plains
    1 Mountain
    1 Loothouse

    Sideboard
    3 RIP
    3 Blessed
    2 Stony Silence
    1 Anger of the Gods
    1 Wear // Tear
    1 Dispel
    2 Negate
    1 Jace Beleren
    1 Supreme Verdict


    I've been really happy with all my flex slots, the only change I would consider is mainboarding another verdict and adding a staticaster to the board.

    I also don't have enough experience running 2-3 colonnades so I won't make a late change and potentially stuff up my sequencing.

    Thoughts guys?


    I am basically playing the same list, with the same core apart from playing only 3 spreading seas. Then, in addition to the 22 lands, my flex spots are:
    -1 dispel
    -1 supreme verdict
    -2 wall of omens
    -1 vendilion clique
    -1 pia and kiraan
    -1 helix

    I am still quite not sold on walls even if cutting them would mean to increase lands to 23. I would not even mind to add a second supreme verdict mainboard cause is just a super good cards. Moreover, I am very happy with the 2 colonnades, I would not play without them. They are our alternative win condition and we draw so much that we easily reach a good number of lands to activate colonnade and stay mana open as well!

    This weekend I went 3-1 at FNM and, unfortunately, 2-3 yesterday. I realized how hard is to win against burn for us :S and moreover yesterday I faced 2 Ad nauseam. Well, that matchup is super hard even if it can be won but facing that deck requires a lot of training!

    EDIT: just saw that Jeskai Saheeli top 8'd at MKM Prague. The list has some particular maindeck spots like 2x cryptic command, 1x peek, 1x electrolyze and 2 spell snare and no walls




    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from Erian Ignis »
    Quote from rick90 »
    Quote from Erian Ignis »
    Is it consensus then that Spreading Seas should be main'd? I was trying use more Instant-speed cards as I found 4 Helix to be underwhelming. I want to use a couple of Cryptics, but that may require me to use 23 Lands again. Ugh, so many choices... Rolleyes


    I was sceptical about seas as well but then I realize it is a super good cards especially in the current modern. It slows down eldrazi and urza lands, you can block shadow decks for some turns taking the black mana sources. 4 helix in this meta are useless, completely dead against eldrazi and shadow.

    I used 2 cryptics mainboard for a couple of tournaments and then I cut them cause we are a not a control deck and, moreover, spending 4 mana and then getting a stubborn denial for 1 mana is really really bad :S
    Indeed do I find Seas to be very good, not that I would consider completely cutting them, mind you. It's been amazing even against mono-colored Decks. At the very least it cantrips, allowing us to dig deeper for the combo.

    We are not a Control deck but I found, after my underwhelming test of Helix, that I did find myself in want of actual hard counters from time to time. I will add a mainboard Dispel to combat Instants that may threaten us or the combo. I also got to have a spare slot, so I was thinking, has anyone thought of Izzet Charm? I find that all three modes are very relevant here, and should never be a dead card. It is easily swapped for more powerful, narrow answers depending on the matchup for Games 2 and 3. I will test a singleton copy of it, probably bump it to 2.


    I am currently using a single dispel mainboard and I find it super usefull in addition to the obvious 4 remands. Then in the sideboard I have an additional dispel, 1 negate and 2 cerimonoius rejection which is basically a metagame dependent choice!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from Erian Ignis »
    Is it consensus then that Spreading Seas should be main'd? I was trying use more Instant-speed cards as I found 4 Helix to be underwhelming. I want to use a couple of Cryptics, but that may require me to use 23 Lands again. Ugh, so many choices... Rolleyes


    I was sceptical about seas as well but then I realize it is a super good cards especially in the current modern. It slows down eldrazi and urza lands, you can block shadow decks for some turns taking the black mana sources. 4 helix in this meta are useless, completely dead against eldrazi and shadow.

    I used 2 cryptics mainboard for a couple of tournaments and then I cut them cause we are a not a control deck and, moreover, spending 4 mana and then getting a stubborn denial for 1 mana is really really bad :S
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Yes verdict is way better than dawn//dusk especially against affinity, elves, and similar decks! Indeed, today I had my 2nd FNM with the deck and went 2-2 losing again against Grixis DS (stubborn denial is a nightmare) and against Affinity ( G1 I saw only remands and G3 I could not combo off due to ghirapur aether grid. Overall I feel the deck is strong, funny to play with at least 1x Verdict mainboard and Celestial Colonnade as additional plan!

    EDIT. I finally went 4-0 at local tournament defeating:
    -Mono White Martyr (I had to fight against tons of sister blocking the combo and ghostly prison - thanks wear // tear)
    -grixis delver: hard match up, a lot of removal, almost impossible comboing off. Pia and Kiraan is a star in this match up!
    -BW Plainswalker Pox: I remanded him to death Grin
    -Jeskai Queller: I was not expecting to win this but quite rapid 2-0. Grindy is the way!

    The deck is a reality, the combo is strong and, sometimes, the opponent does not respect it too much and ends up beaten by infinite cats! Let's go cats Grin
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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