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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from Erian Ignis »
    Quote from rick90 »
    Quote from Erian Ignis »
    Is it consensus then that Spreading Seas should be main'd? I was trying use more Instant-speed cards as I found 4 Helix to be underwhelming. I want to use a couple of Cryptics, but that may require me to use 23 Lands again. Ugh, so many choices... Rolleyes


    I was sceptical about seas as well but then I realize it is a super good cards especially in the current modern. It slows down eldrazi and urza lands, you can block shadow decks for some turns taking the black mana sources. 4 helix in this meta are useless, completely dead against eldrazi and shadow.

    I used 2 cryptics mainboard for a couple of tournaments and then I cut them cause we are a not a control deck and, moreover, spending 4 mana and then getting a stubborn denial for 1 mana is really really bad :S
    Indeed do I find Seas to be very good, not that I would consider completely cutting them, mind you. It's been amazing even against mono-colored Decks. At the very least it cantrips, allowing us to dig deeper for the combo.

    We are not a Control deck but I found, after my underwhelming test of Helix, that I did find myself in want of actual hard counters from time to time. I will add a mainboard Dispel to combat Instants that may threaten us or the combo. I also got to have a spare slot, so I was thinking, has anyone thought of Izzet Charm? I find that all three modes are very relevant here, and should never be a dead card. It is easily swapped for more powerful, narrow answers depending on the matchup for Games 2 and 3. I will test a singleton copy of it, probably bump it to 2.


    I am currently using a single dispel mainboard and I find it super usefull in addition to the obvious 4 remands. Then in the sideboard I have an additional dispel, 1 negate and 2 cerimonoius rejection which is basically a metagame dependent choice!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from Erian Ignis »
    Is it consensus then that Spreading Seas should be main'd? I was trying use more Instant-speed cards as I found 4 Helix to be underwhelming. I want to use a couple of Cryptics, but that may require me to use 23 Lands again. Ugh, so many choices... Rolleyes


    I was sceptical about seas as well but then I realize it is a super good cards especially in the current modern. It slows down eldrazi and urza lands, you can block shadow decks for some turns taking the black mana sources. 4 helix in this meta are useless, completely dead against eldrazi and shadow.

    I used 2 cryptics mainboard for a couple of tournaments and then I cut them cause we are a not a control deck and, moreover, spending 4 mana and then getting a stubborn denial for 1 mana is really really bad :S
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Yes verdict is way better than dawn//dusk especially against affinity, elves, and similar decks! Indeed, today I had my 2nd FNM with the deck and went 2-2 losing again against Grixis DS (stubborn denial is a nightmare) and against Affinity ( G1 I saw only remands and G3 I could not combo off due to ghirapur aether grid. Overall I feel the deck is strong, funny to play with at least 1x Verdict mainboard and Celestial Colonnade as additional plan!

    EDIT. I finally went 4-0 at local tournament defeating:
    -Mono White Martyr (I had to fight against tons of sister blocking the combo and ghostly prison - thanks wear // tear)
    -grixis delver: hard match up, a lot of removal, almost impossible comboing off. Pia and Kiraan is a star in this match up!
    -BW Plainswalker Pox: I remanded him to death Grin
    -Jeskai Queller: I was not expecting to win this but quite rapid 2-0. Grindy is the way!

    The deck is a reality, the combo is strong and, sometimes, the opponent does not respect it too much and ends up beaten by infinite cats! Let's go cats Grin
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from Paradox Omega »

    With that said, the recent 5-0 with Saheeli (which I'm absolutely ecstatic about) shows that there's definitely room to explore the deck's structure and there is no defined way to play the deck, which is both exciting and frustrating at the same time. There are so many ways to play the deck that it is hard to know what is optimal without tons of testing. Humle9's style list has given me the most success which has made me a little lazy on the testing side, but I may go back to trying out new things.


    That is absolutely true but I think we got to the point where the basic structure of the deck is well defined! Some points that I think they still nned to be better explored (and that change in each version) are:

    -Lands number: 22 or 23? Colonnade yes or no?
    -3 or 4 Snapcaster Mage.
    -Auxialiary creatures: basically wall of omens cause Vendilion and PKN are quite staple in a single copy.
    -A couple of spell slot: dispel, lightning helix, Jace AOT.

    But basically we got to a core deck and then there are those 5-6 at most flex slots.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from VIPowL »
    A solid 5-0 using pretty much the same decklist as mine! Was this anyone here? Looks very similar to the Ben Friedman base list.

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/703078#paper


    I am playing a similar list, just with +2 wall of omens instead of the 4th spreading seas and the dispel but I am seriously thinking about dropping the 2 walls cause I really do not like them! I prefer to blink seas than wall, especially in the current meta of grixis DS, affinity and eldrazi where wall of omens does basically nothing!

    Moreover, what do you guys think is the correct number of lands? I am now stucked at 22 but considering 6-7 4 mana drops (4 felidar, 1 pia, 1 supreme verdict and in some list also a jace,AOT) maybe 23 can seem more appropriate (and probably moving the jace in the sideboard)
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on BW Tokens
    I came back playing the deck after some weeks and it was quite a terrible experience. I brought it back due to the nice match up against Grixis DS and Affinity but I ended up smashed by various eldrazi and scapeshift. Unfortunately, in my opinion, our deck is too fair to perform well in this meta. When classic midrange/control will come back to be dominant in the meta, probably it will be a good field for us but right now all tron/eldrazi versions are terrible match ups, I had several games against Eldrazi Tron where at turn 3 I could already foresee my defeat in the next 2-3 turns, embarassing playing T2 seer, T3 smasher :S
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    HI guys! After some weeks away from the deck I have came back playing it at local FNM and went 2-2 but I was pleased about how the decks performed.
    The decklist was the following:


    I won against affinity and against a 4colour wall decks with gifts and a lot of strange cards (but very very good al local FNM level). I lost again grixis DS and Eldrazi Taxes. Unfortunately grixis DS seems like a very very difficult match up for us, it is so efficient and stubborn denial is such a good cards against us! I did a massive sideboarding with
    +2 geist
    +1 ajani vengeant
    +2 dispel
    +1 blessed alliance
    1 celestial purge

    cutting some part of the combo, some remand, wall of omens. I am not sure about rest in peace cause we will lose the value generated by snapcaster mage. I know they will lose a lot too and that is why i am not still 100% sold on this!

    I was very surprised by Supreme Verdict in the mainboard and I will soon add another one to the sideboard! What I am still not 100% sold in the main are the 2 wall of omens!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Can you post your decklist to have a look at it? I am curious to see this different build! To be honest I have always felt that cards like wall and seas were not the best we could have. Moreover, the few FNM I did with the deck had 2 copies of cryptic command and I always found them very useful but, sure, it would be better to go in a more control build!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    I am really looking forward to try Ajani Vengeant against shadow decks! the possibility to make double helix blinking it with felidar is basically a wincon against that deck! i will try a similar sideboarding plan too, just adding 2 copies of Geist of Saint Traft and with the Ajani instead of the Jace (which is in my mainboard). I think that we must have a solid plan against shadow deck in this moment where it is a big part of the meta.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    I was thinking of a way much more aggressive sideboarding strategy

    -1 saheli
    -1 felidar
    -1 helix
    -2 wall of omens/remand (not sure which)

    +2 rest in peace (maybe 1 copy is enough)
    +1 blessed
    +1 dispel
    +1 ajani vengeant (great to lock them)

    in addition, since I have a great love for geist of saint traft, I was thinking to add it in 2 copies to the sideboard and, of course, add them against shadow decks and grindy match up.


    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Your decklist seems to perform quite well against death shadow decks! do you side out part of the combo to go all control?
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from TheAller »
    I think it largely depends on the build. If you're playing something like 4x Spreading Seas, 2x Wall of Omens, 1x Pia & Kiran Nalaar maindeck, then 3 Snaps are more than enough. If you're playing cards like Cryptic Command and Lightning Helix on the other hand, Snappy should always be a 4 of.


    In the past tournaments I did almost a month ago with this deck I have been playing a list quite similar to the one of ParadoxOmega of the SCG, 22 lands, 2 walls, 1 pia, 1 vendilion. The only difference was that I played 4 snapcaster and add 2 cryptic commands instead of the two helix. I have been always in doubt about cryptic in the deck and that I why I will maybe try the 2 helix instead of them!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    I have asked cause I have always run 4 of them but I had the same issue of you, havin multiple in the opening hand for example! I think i'll give a try to the 3 of them and i'll decide then! thanks for the hints!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    What is the general idea about the number of Snapcaster Mage to play? Does it worth going with the full playset or 3 can be enough?
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Thanks a lot for your contributions! I would like to ask you if there is a particular reasons why you decided not to bring any Geist of Saint Traft in the sideboard! I think that2-3 copies would be awesome in grindy match up like shadow!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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